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Party before country
Party before ANYTHING
.Senate Republicans shoot down jobs bill for veterans
On Wednesday in Washington D.C. Senate Republicans continued their obstruction of legislation designed to help the American economy by blocking the motion to proceed on a bill designed to help veterans obtain jobs in the public and private sector.
At a cost of $1 billion over a five year period, the Veteran’s Jobs Corps Act of 2012 would have created a job corps for veterans looking for work. According to the text of the legislation for S.3457, the program would have employed veterans as police and firefighters as well as employing veterans in “conservation, resource management, and historic preservation projects on public lands and maintenance and improvement projects for cemeteries under the jurisdiction of the National Cemetery Administration.” In addition to direct federal, state, and local public sector work, the program would have also provided grants to non-governmental groups hiring veterans for jobs covered by the program.
The unemployment rate for veterans remains significantly higher than the national unemployment rate of 8.1% in August.
Wednesday’s vote was 58 Yeas to 40 Nays in favor of S.AMDT.2789, an amendment to the veterans jobs corps bill waiving normal budgetary procedure; however such a procedural vote requires at least 60 votes to move forward towards the final vote which requires only a simple majority for passage.
The purpose of the waiver was to expedite the enactment of the jobs corps bill; according to bill sponsor Senator Patty Murray (D-WA), the bill’s expense was covered.
The outcome of this vote was a staggering reversal of previous Republican support a week earlier when on a September 11, 2012 vote to move S.3457 forward, the Senate voted overwhelmingly in favor with a 95 Yeas to 1 Nay.
All 51 Democratic Senators and both Independent Senators voted for the bill. In addition, five Republicans broke rank with their party to support the measure: Senators Scott Brown of Massachusetts, Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe, both of Maine, Dean Heller of Nevada, and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska.
Republican Senators James Inhofe of Oklahoma and Mark Kirk of Illinois did not vote.
Senator Patty Murray (D-WA), who chairs the Senate Committee on Veterans Affairs stated, “It’s both shocking and shameful that Republicans today chose to kill a bill to put America’s veterans back to work. At a time when one in four young veterans are unemployed, Republicans should have been able, for just this once, to put aside the politics of obstruction and to help these men and women provide for their families.”
According to Roll Call, Republican Senator Tom Coburn of Oklahoma who voted against the bill stated of the measures, “Nobody knows if it works.” Meanwhile, Democratic Senator Bill Nelson of Florida cited the election and President Obama’s support for the bill as the reason for the GOP filibuster.
Echoing Nelson in her statement, Murray added of the Republican filibuster, “This vote is stark reminder that Senator McConnell and Senate Republicans are willing to do absolutely anything to fulfill the pledge he made nearly two years ago to defeat President Obama. It doesn’t matter who gets in their way or which Americans they have to sacrifice in that pursuit, even if it’s our nation’s veterans.”
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http://www.examiner.com/article/senate-republicans-shoot-down-jobs-bill-for-veterans
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Haha at liberals not calling our soldiers rapists and baby killers long enough to fake actually caring about them. Not even 5 years ago the Dem whip Hoyer was calling them Nazis on the chamber floor.
Protip: The troops don't seem to be very fond of the Usurper.
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Haha at liberals not calling our soldiers rapists and baby killers long enough to fake actually caring about them. Not even 5 years ago the Dem whip Hoyer was calling them Nazis on the chamber floor.
Protip: The troops don't seem to be very fond of the Usurper.
what does any of that unverified bullshit have to do with the article?
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Whats the point of this? Every application I have ever filled out asks if I am a vet. What exactly is this fucking thing going to do?
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Whats the point of this? Every application I have ever filled out asks if I am a vet. What exactly is this fucking thing going to do?
the article I posted said exactly what it was supposed to do
the legislation inlcuded Republican ideas and just 9 days ago it had unanimous support
According to the text of the legislation for S.3457, the program would have employed veterans as police and firefighters as well as employing veterans in “conservation, resource management, and historic preservation projects on public lands and maintenance and improvement projects for cemeteries under the jurisdiction of the National Cemetery Administration.” In addition to direct federal, state, and local public sector work, the program would have also provided grants to non-governmental groups hiring veterans for jobs covered by the program.[/quote]
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So they can't do this without spending 1 billion and creating another bureaucracy in DC?
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Anything else attached the legislation?
And what are the full details?
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Anything else attached the legislation?
And what are the full details?
noting else attached and keep in mind this legislation included Republican proposals and had virtual unanimous support just a week or so ago
they just didn't want to give Obama the opportunity to talk about this on the campaign trail in the next few weeks
look at Rands Pauls ridiculous reason for not supporting the bill (how is that for an F U to veterans) and Coburns excuse was that trying to help vets "wasn't worth the effort" (how much "effort" does it take to vote Yea rather than Nay?)
Senate Republicans prevented a veterans’ jobs bill from coming to a vote today by forcing a budget point of order vote. Democrats came up 2 votes short of the 60 needed to defeat the GOP’s budget measure.
The Veterans Jobs Corps bill — which is part of President Obama’s push to secure jobs for veterans — would have provided $1 billion over five years to hire 20,000 young veterans for public lands jobs and prioritize vets for first responder jobs such as police, firefighter, or EMT. The measure would have also provided young vets access to the infrastructure with which to assist in job searches, such as access to computers, internet and career services advisers. The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, a vets group that supported the legislation, called the GOP move “a huge disappointment,” adding, “Today, politics won over helping vets.”
While only five Republicans voted with the Democrats to waive the GOP budget point of order measure, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) led the GOP opposition. “When we find ourselves in $16 trillion of debt and we pay for a five-year bill over 10 years, we make the problem worse,” he said.
However, Veterans Jobs Corps bill co-sponsor Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) said on the Senate floor today that “this bill is fully paid for and does not violate pay-go rules.” (The New York Times said Murray’s aides say “say the program will be paid for by recovering more money from tax-delinquent Medicare providers and forcing big tax deadbeats to pay up before receiving passports.”)
Murray even tried to include most of the provisions of a competing Republican bill but Democrats still ran into opposition. Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) said he would block the measure until the Pakistani doctor that aided the CIA in looking for Osama bin Laden was freed, while Coburn claimed the bill would have no chance of passing the House so it wasn’t worth the effort.
“I’ve been surprised at the many obstacles and weird arguments that have been thrown at us,” Murray told the Washington Post.
The jobless rate for Iraq and Afghanistan war vets, while steadily declining, is still higher than the national average, yet congressional Republicans remain “resolute in their commitment to deny the Democrats anything that looks like an accomplishment in an election year.”
In an editorial last weekend referring to today’s vote, the New York Times said, “We’ll know then whether good sense prevailed, or the wheels have come completely off the Congressional machine.” It looks like the Republicans have made sure of the latter.
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/09/19/875351/republicans-kill-vets-job-bill/?mobile=nc
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Again what do we need more fucking legislation, 1 billion, and another bureaucracy?
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Again what do we need more fucking legislation, 1 billion, and another bureaucracy?
uh..... to help unemployed veterans become gainfully employed
are you just opposed to all "legislation" or do you have some particular issue with this legislation ?
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uh..... to help unemployed veterans become gainfully employed
are you just opposed to all "legislation" or do you have some particular issue with this legislation ?
So that can't happen without more legislation?
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uh..... to help unemployed veterans become gainfully employed
are you just opposed to all "legislation" or do you have some particular issue with this legislation ?
all legislation apparently, nevermind the benefits nor drawbacks, legislation is bad, unless of course its tax cuts for the rich and saying whether or not you can abort your own fetus.
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all legislation apparently, nevermind the benefits nor drawbacks, legislation is bad, unless of course its tax cuts for the rich and saying whether or not you can abort your own fetus.
Yeah that has anything to do with what is being discussed here ::)
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So that can't happen without more legislation?
are you serious?
I guess maybe the private sector "job creators" can step in and create programs to help more vets get jobs
Can't guys like private citizne Romney and the Koch brothers just create programs like this
what are they waiting for?
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Yeah that has anything to do with what is being discussed here ::)
you made no cogent points, your objection was more legislation which is fucking retarded on so many levels.
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you made no cogent points, your objection was more legislation which is fucking retarded on so many levels.
Whats fucking retarded is you, you add nothing to the discussion just pop in every once in a while to act like an asshole. Must be a true anus gimick
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Whats fucking retarded is you, you add nothing to the discussion just pop in every once in a while to act like an asshole. Must be a true anus gimick
your grammar is shit, I am an asshole, I don't simply act like one. I state things bluntly and how I see them, if you don't like it then don't read. Your objection was silly and juvenile, I am pointing it out.
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Holy shit, the Department of Labor already has a job corps, why do we need another one?
http://www.jobcorps.gov/home.aspx (http://www.jobcorps.gov/home.aspx)
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your grammar is shit, I am an asshole, I don't simply act like one. I state things bluntly and how I see them, if you don't like it then don't read. Your objection was silly and juvenile, I am pointing it out.
No its not you ignorant bastard. You simply thing because someone throws veteran in a bill it must pass.
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No its not you ignorant bastard. You simply thing because someone throws veteran in a bill it must pass.
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/09/19/875351/republicans-kill-vets-job-bill/?mobile=nc
bill was paid for you tit, what arguments can truly be held against it? It is clearly a tactic, which is unfortunate, this is what the repub party is, obstructionist hicks.
ignorant is not knowing something, I believe the only one worthy of that charge is you.
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Holy shit, the Department of Labor already has a job corps, why do we need another one?
http://www.jobcorps.gov/home.aspx (http://www.jobcorps.gov/home.aspx)
only for people aged 16-24 and not a program that provides jobs but rather training for future jobs
but you know, back to my thread title.
FU Veterans
why are you all a bunch of victims thinking you're entitled to help from your government just because you volunteered to put your life on the line defending this country
If you need a job then just to what Mitt Romney suggests and borrow some money from your parents to start a business or you can also be like Romney and just sell stock given to you by your father so that you can afford to go to school
lazy fuckers
the answers are right there for anyone to use
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http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/09/19/875351/republicans-kill-vets-job-bill/?mobile=nc
bill was paid for you tit, what arguments can truly be held against it? It is clearly a tactic, which is unfortunate, this is what the repub party is, obstructionist hicks.
ignorant is not knowing something, I believe the only one worthy of that charge is you.
Paid for with what you fucking imbecile? The country is 16 trillion in the red nothing is fucking paid for
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No its not you ignorant bastard. You simply thing because someone throws veteran in a bill it must pass.
it's like you are too retarded to understand they are raping you, you actually help them do it.
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Paid for with what you fucking imbecile? The country is 16 trillion in the red nothing is fucking paid for
no increase in debt you retard, jesus I can't even take this seriously, this is such a mental midget response Getbig should have a height requirement.
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only for people aged 16-24 and not a program that provides jobs but rather training for future jobs
but you know, back to my thread title.
FU Veterans
why are you all a bunch of victims thinking you're entitled to help from your government just because you volunteered to put your life on the line defending this country
If you need a job then just to what Mitt Romney suggests and borrow some money from your parents to start a business or you can also be like Romney and just sell stock given to you by your father so that you can afford to go to school
lazy fuckers
the answers are right there for anyone to use
So lets create a whole new bureaucracy, why not just expand what is already there? Same government BS over and over again. Never enforce an existing law or an existing program, just create more ::)
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no increase in debt you retard, jesus I can't even take this seriously, this is such a mental midget response Getbig should have a height requirement.
Yeah there is never any increase in debt ::) Just like Obama care right? Now fuck off you stupid asshole. Where is the 1 billion coming from? Fuck just had the 20,000 vets 50 grand a piece
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So lets create a whole new bureaucracy, why not just expand what is already there? Same government BS over and over again. Never enforce an existing law or an existing program, just create more ::)
go read the website you posted and learn about that program and you'll understand why....or maybe you still won't understand
either way, Rand Paul is ready to vote for it as soon as the Pakistani doctor that aided the CIA in looking for Osama bin Laden is freed
so hop to it you lazy fucking veterans. All you have to do is get Pakistan to release that guy. It all makes perfect sense. You don't deserve any help from the government for which you risked your life until that guy is free
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go read the website you posted and learn about that program and you'll understand why....or maybe you still won't understand
either way, Rand Paul is ready to vote for it as soon as the Pakistani doctor that aided the CIA in looking for Osama bin Laden was freed
so hop to it you lazy fucking veterans. All you have to do is get Pakistan to release that guy. It all makes perfect sense. You don't deserve any help from the government for which you risked your life until that guy is free
What exactly does any of this have to do with vets being lazy? No one even implied it except you. Beside the fact that everyone in this country has the opportunity attend school to grade 12, is the education system not doing its job?
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What exactly does any of this have to do with vets being lazy? No one even implied it except you. Beside the fact that everyone in this country has the opportunity attend school to grade 12, is the education system not doing its job?
it's a joke knucklehead
I'm trying to point out the fucking absurdity of Rand Pauls reason for not voting for this legislation
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it's a joke knuckehead
I'm trying to point out the fucking absurdity of Rand Pauls reason for not voting for this legislation
Whats absurd is the amount of money this country dumps into education and apparently gets a bunch if high school grads that have no real world skills. So much so that more money has to be dumped into training programs.
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Whats absurd is the amount of money this country dumps into education and apparently gets a bunch if high school grads that have no real world skills
if you think investing in education is stupid and not waging countless retard wars then you cannot be helped. How do you think china is about to surpass the US? not military but through education.
It is what will secure the future, avoid it and suffer.
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Whats absurd is the amount of money this country dumps into education and apparently gets a bunch if high school grads that have no real world skills. So much so that more money has to be dumped into training programs.
this program would have given them JOBS
how is it you keep missing that point
that is THE REASON that Repubs were against it
they can't have President Obama out there talking about his new job program for vets
That would be BAD FOR THEIR PARTY and ALL of the canditates running for election in November
the program would have employed veterans as police and firefighters as well as employing veterans in “conservation, resource management, and historic preservation projects on public lands and maintenance and improvement projects for cemeteries under the jurisdiction of the National Cemetery Administration.” In addition to direct federal, state, and local public sector work, the program would have also provided grants to non-governmental groups hiring veterans for jobs covered by the program.
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if you think investing in education is stupid and not waging countless retard wars then you cannot be helped. How do you think china is about to surpass the US? not military but through education.
It is what will secure the future, avoid it and suffer.
You just always miss the fucking point don't you? We spend more per student than any other country in the world, yet we are being surpassed. Why is that? Maybe the US needs to spend more time teaching kids what they need to know to get a job, and not how bullying is bad and other non sense that should be taught in the home.
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this program would have given them JOBS
how is it you keep missing that point
that is THE REASON that Repubs were against it
they can't have President Obama out there talking about his new job program for vets
That would be BAD FOR THEIR PARTY and ALL of the canditates running for election in November
1.The Senate could have brought this up long before now, they just chose now due to the time of the year. That makes it an election stunt, not legislation they really want to pass.
2. The jobs were not permanent.
3. The Republicans have brought up the fact that there is already numerous "Jobs" programs for vets, why not bolster those programs which have been proven to work.
4. At a time when every other agency has seen budget cuts, the VA has actually been protected. So, the big thing the Republicans advocated was "The VA has already spent their money, this would just increase their budget even more when everyone else is seeing cuts".
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1.The Senate could have brought this up long before now, they just chose now due to the time of the year. That makes it an election stunt, not legislation they really want to pass.
2. The jobs were not permanent.
3. The Republicans have brought up the fact that there is already numerous "Jobs" programs for vets, why not bolster those programs which have been proven to work.
4. At a time when every other agency has seen budget cuts, the VA has actually been protected. So, the big thing the Republicans advocated was "The VA has already spent their money, this would just increase their budget even more when everyone else is seeing cuts".
1. how do you know
2. no job is "permanent" but there is no indication that these were tempory and even if they were....so what?
3. If so then why did Repubs have their own similar legislation, much of which was rolled into this one and why did they vote 98 to 1 on Sept 11th to move forward with this legislation
4. The VA is not a jobs program and vets have a higher rate of uemployment than non- vets so why not help them out a bit
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This is par for the course for Senate Republicans as they blocked a jobs bill in 2011 but their actions are in perfect harmony with their #1 goal of defeating Obama in 2012. I'm sure once that's done it will be tax breaks for everyone and the "job creators" will suddenly have the certaintly that they needed (though somehow never needed before in the history of mankind)
Senate Republicans Block American Jobs Act
The American Jobs Act will not move forward in the Senate, it seems, since it takes a supermajority to decide how many angels dance on the very tippy-top of the head of a pin. After a few minutes of Mitch McConnell's political posturing, which generally includes some middle-finger gestures, Republicans united in full-throated opposition to the bill, once again standing shoulder-to-shoulder to oppose it.
At this time, it appears the bill would have passed 51-48, but of course, in the Senate, we all know it takes 60 to play and when 100 percent of Republicans decide they're not playing, the game is over. Here's what some of them voted against:
John Cornyn and Pete Sessions (TX): 33,800 infrastructure jobs, 39500 teacher jobs, 30,300 school repair jobs. Total number of jobs not created in Texas: 103,600
Pat Toomey (PA): 17,900 infrastructure jobs, 14,400 teacher jobs, 12,300 school repair jobs.Total number of jobs not created in Pennsylvania: 44,600
Marco Rubio (FL): 20,500 infrastructure jobs, 25,900 teacher jobs, 16600 school repair jobs. Total number of jobs not created in Florida: 63,000
Rob Portman (OH): 13,700 infrastructure jobs, 14,200 teacher jobs, 12,800 school repair jobs. Total number of jobs not created in Ohio: 40,700
These are just a few examples. There are many more at the White House state-by-state breakdown of jobs created by the American Jobs Act.
On behalf of Americans everywhere, thank a Republican Senator for their unpatriotic act of putting politics ahead of problem-solving when you have a chance.
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/senate-filibusters-american-jobs-act
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1.The Senate could have brought this up long before now, they just chose now due to the time of the year. That makes it an election stunt, not legislation they really want to pass.
2. The jobs were not permanent.
3. The Republicans have brought up the fact that there is already numerous "Jobs" programs for vets, why not bolster those programs which have been proven to work.
4. At a time when every other agency has seen budget cuts, the VA has actually been protected. So, the big thing the Republicans advocated was "The VA has already spent their money, this would just increase their budget even more when everyone else is seeing cuts".
I think your average Sea Urchin is more intelligent than this "Kazan" person. It's like talking to a brick wall...hopless waste of time.
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I think your average Sea Urchin is more intelligent than this "Kazan" person. It's like talking to a brick wall...hopless waste of time.
I think a lot of right wingers on the board and elsewhere just follow the mantra that if anything can possibly be perceived as a political benefit to Dems/Obama then they are against it......period
you see this when they vote against their very own legislation or things that they claim are their key issues (for example they voted against tax cuts for small business last year)
It's just nuts and it seems to be something unique to Republicans.
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I think a lot of right wingers on the board and elsewhere just follow the mantra that if anything can possibly be perceived as a political benefit to Dems/Obama then they are against it......period
you see this when they vote against their very own legislation or things that they claim are their key issues (for example they voted against tax cuts for small business last year)
It's just nuts and it seems to be something unique to Republicans.
its the team mentality, I am a moderate, I don't like hipster fags, nor do I like the idea of leaches, nor big government. I however, see the benefit of many programs, I don't see how millionaires avoiding taxes makes any sense, like romney, this bitch sucked off his dad's teat, clearly. He never worked hard for fuck all in his life, his school was completely paid for. Why people support leaches like this I will never know.
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I think a lot of right wingers on the board and elsewhere just follow the mantra that if anything can possibly be perceived as a political benefit to Dems/Obama then they are against it......period
you see this when they vote against their very own legislation or things that they claim are their key issues (for example they voted against tax cuts for small business last year)
It's just nuts and it seems to be something unique to Republicans.
PLEASE!!! If Obama really cared, he would have taken care of this a long time ago, with his "laser-like" focus on jobs and all. Isn't it strange that Obama didn't really try to get a jobs bill for veterans passed, WHEN HIS PARTY RAN BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS.
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I think your average Sea Urchin is more intelligent than this "Kazan" person. It's like talking to a brick wall...hopless waste of time.
Don't refute anything whatever you do, fucking jag off
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I think a lot of right wingers on the board and elsewhere just follow the mantra that if anything can possibly be perceived as a political benefit to Dems/Obama then they are against it......period
you see this when they vote against their very own legislation or things that they claim are their key issues (for example they voted against tax cuts for small business last year)
It's just nuts and it seems to be something unique to Republicans.
Yeah its all the right wingers ::) How about a fucking budget gets passed before they start enacting new programs? We have claims that this is budget neutral, how the fuck would you know when there is no budget
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Haha, Kazan embarrassing the retards all over this thread.
Funniest thing has to be these leftists acting like they care about vets when all they really want to do is piss away more money.
Great points made by Kazan that the gimmicks haven't been able to refute.
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Yeah its all the right wingers ::)
feel free to show examples where Dems voted against their own legislation or things they support in order to prevent a Republican POTUS from being successful
I can't think of one example but it sounds like you know of some so please share
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PLEASE!!! If Obama really cared, he would have taken care of this a long time ago, with his "laser-like" focus on jobs and all. Isn't it strange that Obama didn't really try to get a jobs bill for veterans passed, WHEN HIS PARTY RAN BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS.
yep, he tried a jobs bill in 2010 and 2011
care to guess what happened?
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yep, he tried a jobs bill in 2010 and 2011
care to guess what happened?
Haha, Captain Keynesian dipshit to the rescue. ::)
His jobs bill was a fucking joke. Why don't you assholes come up with something beyond paying off the fucking unions?
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Haha, Captain Keynesian dipshit to the rescue. ::)
His jobs bill was a fucking joke. Why don't you assholes come up with something beyond paying off the fucking unions?
care to elaborate
of course not because you have no clue what you're talking about
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Don't refute anything whatever you do, fucking jag off
What is there to "refute"? ::)
You make inane comments and hurl insults to divert from the reality of the rebublicans ridiculous flip-flopping on things they previously supported that they now are against, JUST BECAUSE IT MAY HELP THE PRESIDENT.
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What is there to "refute"? ::)
You make inane comments and hurl insults to divert from the reality of the rebublicans ridiculous flip-flopping on things they previously supported that they now are against, JUST BECAUSE IT MAY HELP THE PRESIDENT.
hahaha repubs voting for then against when it may help the president, makes sense right?
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care to elaborate
of course not because you have no clue what you're talking about
Quote of the year coming from you. You're a fucking moron. :D
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Quote of the year coming from you. You're a fucking moron. :D
^awesome contribution, substantially enhancing the quality of the discussion^
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^awesome contribution, substantially enhancing the quality of the discussion^
it's literally all he can do
he's got nothing else
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Do my eyes deceive me? Mr. Spineless is actually on the political forum?
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it's literally all he can do
he's got nothing else
How many threads have you pussed out of now, bitch? The "George Washington was a radical liberal" and "The Post Office is doing great while losing $5 billion" threads come to mind. Also, the threads blatantly calling you out for being a pussy also spring to mind. :)
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How many threads have you pussed out of now, bitch? The "George Washington was a radical liberal" and "The Post Office is doing great while losing $5 billion" threads come to mind. Also, the threads blatantly calling you out for being a pussy also spring to mind. :)
you always say shit like this but when you go look at the actual all I ever see is you getting your ass kicked
feel free to bump any thread when you feel the need for more
either one of the threads you mentioned would be fine