Senate Republicans once again say FU !! to Veterans

[Kazan]

no increase in debt you retard, jesus I can't even take this seriously, this is such a mental midget response Getbig should have a height requirement.

Yeah there is never any increase in debt Just like Obama care right? Now fuck off you stupid asshole. Where is the 1 billion coming from? Fuck just had the 20,000 vets 50 grand a piece

[Straw Man]

So lets create a whole new bureaucracy, why not just expand what is already there? Same government BS over and over again. Never enforce an existing law or an existing program, just create more

go read the website you posted and learn about that program and you'll understand why....or maybe you still won't understand

either way, Rand Paul is ready to vote for it as soon as the Pakistani doctor that aided the CIA in looking for Osama bin Laden is freed

so hop to it you lazy fucking veterans.  All you have to do is get Pakistan to release that guy.   It all makes perfect sense.   You don't deserve any help from the government for which you risked your life until that guy is free

[Kazan]

go read the website you posted and learn about that program and you'll understand why....or maybe you still won't understand

either way, Rand Paul is ready to vote for it as soon as the Pakistani doctor that aided the CIA in looking for Osama bin Laden was freed

so hop to it you lazy fucking veterans.  All you have to do is get Pakistan to release that guy.   It all makes perfect sense.   You don't deserve any help from the government for which you risked your life until that guy is free

What exactly does any of this have to do with vets being lazy? No one even implied it except you. Beside the fact that everyone in this country has the opportunity attend school to grade 12, is the education system not doing its job?

[Straw Man]

What exactly does any of this have to do with vets being lazy? No one even implied it except you. Beside the fact that everyone in this country has the opportunity attend school to grade 12, is the education system not doing its job?

it's a joke knucklehead

I'm trying to point out the fucking absurdity of Rand Pauls reason for not voting for this legislation

[Kazan]

it's a joke knuckehead

I'm trying to point out the fucking absurdity of Rand Pauls reason for not voting for this legislation

Whats absurd is the amount of money this country dumps into education and apparently gets a bunch if high school grads that have no real world skills. So much so that more money has to be dumped into training programs.

[Necrosis]

Whats absurd is the amount of money this country dumps into education and apparently gets a bunch if high school grads that have no real world skills

if you think investing in education is stupid and not waging countless retard wars then you cannot be helped. How do you think china is about to surpass the US? not military but through education.

It is what will secure the future, avoid it and suffer.

[Straw Man]

Whats absurd is the amount of money this country dumps into education and apparently gets a bunch if high school grads that have no real world skills. So much so that more money has to be dumped into training programs.

this program would have given them JOBS

how is it you keep missing that point

that is THE REASON that Repubs were against it

they can't have President Obama out there talking about his new job program for vets

That would be BAD FOR THEIR PARTY and ALL of the canditates running for election in November

the program would have employed veterans as police and firefighters as well as employing veterans in “conservation, resource management, and historic preservation projects on public lands and maintenance and improvement projects for cemeteries under the jurisdiction of the National Cemetery Administration.” In addition to direct federal, state, and local public sector work, the program would have also provided grants to non-governmental groups hiring veterans for jobs covered by the program.

[Kazan]

if you think investing in education is stupid and not waging countless retard wars then you cannot be helped. How do you think china is about to surpass the US? not military but through education.

It is what will secure the future, avoid it and suffer.

You just always miss the fucking point don't you? We spend more per student than any other country in the world,  yet we are being surpassed. Why is that? Maybe the US needs to spend more time teaching kids what they need to know to get a job, and not how bullying is bad and other non sense that should be taught in the home.

[Kazan]

this program would have given them JOBS

how is it you keep missing that point

that is THE REASON that Repubs were against it

they can't have President Obama out there talking about his new job program for vets

That would be BAD FOR THEIR PARTY and ALL of the canditates running for election in November

1.The Senate could have brought this up long before now, they just chose now due to the time of the year. That makes it an election stunt, not legislation they really want to pass.
2. The jobs were not permanent.
3. The Republicans have brought up the fact that there is already numerous "Jobs" programs for vets, why not bolster those programs which have been proven to work.
4. At a time when every other agency has seen budget cuts, the VA has actually been protected. So, the big thing the Republicans advocated was "The VA has already spent their money, this would just increase their budget even more when everyone else is seeing cuts".

[Straw Man]

1.The Senate could have brought this up long before now, they just chose now due to the time of the year. That makes it an election stunt, not legislation they really want to pass.
2. The jobs were not permanent.
3. The Republicans have brought up the fact that there is already numerous "Jobs" programs for vets, why not bolster those programs which have been proven to work.
4. At a time when every other agency has seen budget cuts, the VA has actually been protected. So, the big thing the Republicans advocated was "The VA has already spent their money, this would just increase their budget even more when everyone else is seeing cuts".

1.  how do you know
2.  no job is "permanent" but there is no indication that these were tempory and even if they were....so what?
3. If so then why did Repubs have their own similar legislation, much of which was rolled into this one and why did they vote 98 to 1 on Sept 11th to move forward with this legislation
4. The VA is not a jobs program and vets have a higher rate of uemployment than non- vets so why not help them out a bit

[Straw Man]

This is par for the course for Senate Republicans as they blocked a jobs bill in 2011 but their actions are in perfect harmony with their #1 goal of defeating Obama in 2012.    I'm sure once that's done it will be tax breaks for everyone and the "job creators" will suddenly have the certaintly that they needed (though somehow never needed before in the history of mankind)

Senate Republicans Block American Jobs Act
The American Jobs Act will not move forward in the Senate, it seems, since it takes a supermajority to decide how many angels dance on the very tippy-top of the head of a pin. After a few minutes of Mitch McConnell's political posturing, which generally includes some middle-finger gestures, Republicans united in full-throated opposition to the bill, once again standing shoulder-to-shoulder to oppose it.

At this time, it appears the bill would have passed 51-48, but of course, in the Senate, we all know it takes 60 to play and when 100 percent of Republicans decide they're not playing, the game is over. Here's what some of them voted against:

John Cornyn and Pete Sessions (TX): 33,800 infrastructure jobs, 39500 teacher jobs, 30,300 school repair jobs. Total number of jobs not created in Texas: 103,600

Pat Toomey (PA): 17,900 infrastructure jobs, 14,400 teacher jobs, 12,300 school repair jobs.Total number of jobs not created in Pennsylvania: 44,600

Marco Rubio (FL): 20,500 infrastructure jobs, 25,900 teacher jobs, 16600 school repair jobs. Total number of jobs not created in Florida: 63,000

Rob Portman (OH): 13,700 infrastructure jobs, 14,200 teacher jobs, 12,800 school repair jobs. Total number of jobs not created in Ohio: 40,700

These are just a few examples. There are many more at the White House state-by-state breakdown of jobs created by the American Jobs Act.

On behalf of Americans everywhere, thank a Republican Senator for their unpatriotic act of putting politics ahead of problem-solving when you have a chance.
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/senate-filibusters-american-jobs-act

[Hawk]

1.The Senate could have brought this up long before now, they just chose now due to the time of the year. That makes it an election stunt, not legislation they really want to pass.
2. The jobs were not permanent.
3. The Republicans have brought up the fact that there is already numerous "Jobs" programs for vets, why not bolster those programs which have been proven to work.
4. At a time when every other agency has seen budget cuts, the VA has actually been protected. So, the big thing the Republicans advocated was "The VA has already spent their money, this would just increase their budget even more when everyone else is seeing cuts".

I think your average Sea Urchin is more intelligent than this "Kazan" person. It's like talking to a brick wall...hopless waste of time.

[Straw Man]

I think your average Sea Urchin is more intelligent than this "Kazan" person. It's like talking to a brick wall...hopless waste of time.

I think a lot of right wingers on the board and elsewhere just follow the mantra that if anything can possibly be perceived as a political benefit to Dems/Obama then they are against it......period

you see this when they vote against their very own legislation or things that they claim are their key issues (for example they voted against tax cuts for small business last year)

It's just nuts and it seems to be something unique to Republicans. 

[Necrosis]

I think a lot of right wingers on the board and elsewhere just follow the mantra that if anything can possibly be perceived as a political benefit to Dems/Obama then they are against it......period

you see this when they vote against their very own legislation or things that they claim are their key issues (for example they voted against tax cuts for small business last year)

It's just nuts and it seems to be something unique to Republicans. 

its the team mentality, I am a moderate, I don't like hipster fags, nor do I like the idea of leaches, nor big government. I however, see the benefit of many programs, I don't see how millionaires avoiding taxes makes any sense, like romney, this bitch sucked off his dad's teat, clearly. He never worked hard for fuck all in his life, his school was completely paid for. Why people support leaches like this I will never know.

[MCWAY]

I think a lot of right wingers on the board and elsewhere just follow the mantra that if anything can possibly be perceived as a political benefit to Dems/Obama then they are against it......period

you see this when they vote against their very own legislation or things that they claim are their key issues (for example they voted against tax cuts for small business last year)

It's just nuts and it seems to be something unique to Republicans. 

PLEASE!!! If Obama really cared, he would have taken care of this a long time ago, with his "laser-like" focus on jobs and all. Isn't it strange that Obama didn't really try to get a jobs bill for veterans passed, WHEN HIS PARTY RAN BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS.

[Kazan]

I think your average Sea Urchin is more intelligent than this "Kazan" person. It's like talking to a brick wall...hopless waste of time.

Don't refute anything whatever you do, fucking jag off

[Kazan]

I think a lot of right wingers on the board and elsewhere just follow the mantra that if anything can possibly be perceived as a political benefit to Dems/Obama then they are against it......period

you see this when they vote against their very own legislation or things that they claim are their key issues (for example they voted against tax cuts for small business last year)

It's just nuts and it seems to be something unique to Republicans.  

Yeah its all the right wingers   How about a fucking budget gets passed before they start enacting new programs? We have claims that this is budget neutral, how the fuck would you know when there is no budget

[Fury]

Haha, Kazan embarrassing the retards all over this thread.

Funniest thing has to be these leftists acting like they care about vets when all they really want to do is piss away more money.

Great points made by Kazan that the gimmicks haven't been able to refute.

[Straw Man]

Yeah its all the right wingers

feel free to show examples where Dems voted against their own legislation or things they support in order to prevent a Republican POTUS from being successful

I can't think of one example but it sounds like you know of some so please share

[Straw Man]

PLEASE!!! If Obama really cared, he would have taken care of this a long time ago, with his "laser-like" focus on jobs and all. Isn't it strange that Obama didn't really try to get a jobs bill for veterans passed, WHEN HIS PARTY RAN BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS.

yep, he tried a jobs bill in 2010 and 2011

care to guess what happened?

[Fury]

yep, he tried a jobs bill in 2010 and 2011

care to guess what happened?

Haha, Captain Keynesian dipshit to the rescue. 

His jobs bill was a fucking joke. Why don't you assholes come up with something beyond paying off the fucking unions?

[Straw Man]

Haha, Captain Keynesian dipshit to the rescue. 

His jobs bill was a fucking joke. Why don't you assholes come up with something beyond paying off the fucking unions?

care to elaborate

of course not because you have no clue what you're talking about

[Hawk]

Don't refute anything whatever you do, fucking jag off

What is there to "refute"?  

 You make inane comments and hurl insults to divert from the reality of the rebublicans ridiculous flip-flopping on things they previously supported that they now are against, JUST BECAUSE IT MAY HELP THE PRESIDENT.

[Necrosis]

What is there to "refute"?  

 You make inane comments and hurl insults to divert from the reality of the rebublicans ridiculous flip-flopping on things they previously supported that they now are against, JUST BECAUSE IT MAY HELP THE PRESIDENT.

hahaha repubs voting for then against when it may help the president, makes sense right?

[Fury]

care to elaborate

of course not because you have no clue what you're talking about

Quote of the year coming from you. You're a fucking moron.