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suggesting he'll target the rich mostly.
I'm a little lost on this. I've heard so many on the right here defend Romney for using these. Republicans opposed Obama when he wanted to stop big oil from these tax breaks. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/gop-blocks-obamas-effort-to-end-tax-breaks-for-big-oil/2012/03/29/gIQAbuTwjS_story.html)
I see stories like this: CEO to Workers: I May Fire You if Obama Wins (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ceo-workers-youll-likely-fired-131640914.html) attacking Obama for what he will cost them, but no mention of what they'll lose with some portion of their loopholes, tax breaks and deductions gone as promised by Romney?
and on a related note, is it right to tell the middle class that you're not going to raise their taxes when in reality you're going to take away deductions that will end with a higher tax burden in the end anyway?
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suggesting he'll target the rich mostly.
I'm a little lost on this. I've heard so many on the right here defend Romney for using these. Republicans opposed Obama when he wanted to stop big oil from these tax breaks. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/gop-blocks-obamas-effort-to-end-tax-breaks-for-big-oil/2012/03/29/gIQAbuTwjS_story.html)
I see stories like this: CEO to Workers: I May Fire You if Obama Wins (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ceo-workers-youll-likely-fired-131640914.html) attacking Obama for what he will cost them, but no mention of what they'll lose with some portion of their loopholes, tax breaks and deductions gone as promised by Romney?
and on a related note, is it right to tell the middle class that you're not going to raise their taxes when in reality you're going to take away deductions that will end with a higher tax burden in the end anyway?
Big oil does not get a tax break any different than anyone else.
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Big oil does not get a tax break any different than anyone else.
that didn't actually answer anything I asked but I'm not surpised you didn't.
The portion of my post you replied to simply shows republican support both on this board and in congress for tax breaks. Yea, I already got that point lol...
The part I'm a little lost on is support for Romney with a promise to cost the rich and big companies plenty. The article I noted from the CEO saying he'll fire people if Obama wins has no mention of what it will cost them if Romney is able to slash their loopholes, tax breaks and deductions. And people on this board don't seem to mind either. WHY? On one hand Obama will tax you more vs. Romney saying you'll have to pay more through less loopholes, deductions and breaks. Sounds like it could work out to where this CEO and others like him lose out no matter who is elected. Valid questions.
I also wonder how hypocritical it is of Romney to use these tax loopholes to keep millions for a very long ass time and after he's done with them, they're evil now.
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Big oil does not get a tax break any different than anyone else.
Ok, more simple... Do you support ending loopholes and tax breaks for big business and the rich as well as slashing deductions for the middle class and small business? Yes or No? explain if you want. That's what Romney says he wants. I'd like to know why a CEO can say he'll fire people over Obama but doesn't have a word to say about the money he'll lose over what Romney is proposing?
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really? This shit isn't worth an answer?
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You're right. Full steam ahead to $20+ trillion in debt aboard the USS Obama!
FOUR MORE YEARS!!!!!!
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Ok, more simple... Do you support ending loopholes and tax breaks for big business and the rich as well as slashing deductions for the middle class and small business? Yes or No? explain if you want. That's what Romney says he wants. I'd like to know why a CEO can say he'll fire people over Obama but doesn't have a word to say about the money he'll lose over what Romney is proposing?
He is lowering the rates across the board - so its generally neutral.
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You're right. Full steam ahead to $20+ trillion in debt aboard the USS Obama!
FOUR MORE YEARS!!!!!!
Oh, that's what I said ::) Where in anything I've said is there support for Obama? There's not... Why? Because I no longer support Obama for president. He should be behind bars with Holder imo.
That said, why can't I ask questions like this when I see hypocrisy on a major scale like this? I'm supporting Gary Johnson. Why wouldn't I want to point out the shit you get with both these guys?
Back to my questions now, which you didn't address either.
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He is lowering the rates across the board - so its generally neutral.
ok, you're talking about tax rates across different brackets, I haven't said anything about tax rates have I? In fact Romney in both the debate and on several other occations has suggested he will target the well off by shutting down loopholes and tax breaks. So thanks by playing change the subject but I'm not biting. You still have not answered a single question.
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ok, you're talking about tax rates across different brackets, I haven't said anything about tax rates have I? In fact Romney in both the debate and on several other occations has suggested he will target the well off by shutting down loopholes and tax breaks. So thanks by playing change the subject but I'm not biting. You still have not answered a single question.
You are not listening to what romney is saying.
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You are not listening to what romney is saying.
Are you then saying I didn't hear him right when HE SAID he will cut loopholes and deductions for the wealthy? I'm pretty sure he said that. Let's say he lowers rates even but then cuts loopholes, deductions and breaks for a portion of the middle class on up to the rich, yea it doesn't take much to see who takes the hit in that. So where do CEO's get off yelling about cutting jobs when clearly they will get hit by Romney too?
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Are you then saying I didn't hear him right when HE SAID he will cut loopholes and deductions for the wealthy? I'm pretty sure he said that. Let's say he lowers rates even but then cuts loopholes, deductions and breaks for a portion of the middle class on up to the rich, yea it doesn't take much to see who takes the hit in that. So where do CEO's get off yelling about cutting jobs when clearly they will get hit by Romney too?
ObamaCare
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ObamaCare
That's part of what the CEO noted in the article I posted in my first post as reason to possibly fire people if Obama wins. AND THAT'S MY QUESTION. Isn't it disingenuous to talk about the costs Obama brings but not mention the costs Romney proposes to the same people? These guys bitching about Obama stand to loose a great deal of money if their deductions, breaks and loopholes are slashed under Romney. Now you might not like me asking this question but it's a valid fucking question that doesn't deserve the dodges it's getting.
Also note this: Obama went after reducing loopholes and tax breaks for the companies who are profiting megabigtime but Romney is actually proposing those same shutoffs to a much bigger portion of big business. So how the hell can a big company threaten layoffs when what Romney is saying could easily cost them as much? again, valid questions...
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That's part of what the CEO noted in the article I posted in my first post as reason to possibly fire people if Obama wins. AND THAT'S MY QUESTION. Isn't it disingenuous to talk about the costs Obama brings but not mention the costs Romney proposes to the same people? These guys bitching about Obama stand to loose a great deal of money if their deductions, breaks and loopholes are slashed under Romney. Now you might not like me asking this question but it's a valid fucking question that doesn't deserve the dodges it's getting.
Also note this: Obama went after reducing loopholes and tax breaks for the companies who are profiting megabigtime but Romney is actually proposing those same shutoffs to a much bigger portion of big business. So how the hell can a big company threaten layoffs when what Romney is saying could easily cost them as much? again, valid questions...
Because the economy will be much better overall under romney and they know they will work other tax loopholes to keep what they want
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Because the economy will be much better overall under romney and they know they will work other tax loopholes to keep what they want
So you're saying what Romney said was with a wink to the rich to fool the middle and lower class voters?
nice :-\
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So you're saying what Romney said was with a wink to the rich to fool the middle and lower class voters?
nice :-\
Sort of. But i favor a flat national sales tax and thats it no loopholes, no deductions, low rate.
The current system is a disjointed mess.
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Sort of.
Your conspiracy theory here depends on the rich seeing through the deception Mitt has put forth. And you're probably right, they probably do and that probably explains why a CEO is willing to call out Obama but not call out Mitt. BUT THAT FACT AND WHAT IT SAYS IS NOT PRETTY FOR MITT EITHER. In fact it's kinda ugly if what you're suggesting is true.
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Your conspiracy theory here depends on the rich seeing through the deception Mitt has put forth. And you're probably right, they probably do and that probably explains why a CEO is willing to call out Obama but not call out Mitt. BUT THAT FACT AND WHAT IT SAYS IS NOT PRETTY FOR MITT EITHER. In fact it's kinda ugly if what you're suggesting is true.
Its politics and i am a cynical person to the core. I deal w dishonest and shifty people daily.
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Its politics and i am a cynical person to the core. I deal w dishonest and shifty people daily.
so you admit this is cynical, dishonest, shifty and hypocritical? I was just looking for hypocritcal but I'll take the rest lol ;D
Anyway, on the face of it as presented to the people, it looks like Romney is proposing things that Obama would get nailed for doing, that's true right?! And there is a big level of hypocrisy in what he is proposing right? True.
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so you admit this is cynical, dishonest, shifty and hypocritical? I was just looking for hypocritcal but I'll take the rest lol ;D
Anyway, on the face of it as presented to the people, it looks like Romney is proposing things that Obama would get nailed for doing, that's true right?! And there is a big level of hypocrisy in what he is proposing right? True.
I think its based on a series of assumptions not likely to pan out.
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I think its based on a series of assumptions not likely to pan out.
we're not talking about assumptions, we're talking about statements and promises. Each president is, to a degree, held to account for the statements and promises they made running for office so don't try to turn statements by Romney into assumptions by the people. Romney has stated the things being discussed in this thread.
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we're not talking about assumptions, we're talking about statements and promises. Each president is, to a degree, held to account for the statements and promises they made running for office so don't try to turn statements by Romney into assumptions by the people. Romney has stated the things being discussed in this thread.
The end result is never what was first promised.
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The end result is never what was first promised.
so what does that mean? I shouldn't even ask these questions because shit never pans out? If I didn't know better, you sound like you just gave Obama a huge pass for his transgressions against promises made. Is that what you're doing? Because you've spent the last several years saying exactly the opposite
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so what does that mean? I shouldn't even ask these questions because shit never pans out? If I didn't know better, you sound like you just gave Obama a huge pass for his transgressions against promises made. Is that what you're doing? Because you've spent the last several years saying exactly the opposite
I expect pols to lie - the problem w obama is that his lies resulted in disastrous end results.
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You're right. Full steam ahead to $20+ trillion in debt aboard the USS Obama!
FOUR MORE YEARS!!!!!!
you post this comment in the thread about mitt romney wanting to cut taxes ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I expect pols to lie - the problem w obama is that his lies resulted in disastrous end results.
So what you're actually saying overall is that I have a valid question and it does point out hypocrisy by Romney and those supporting him but it doesn't matter because politicians lie to get in office and there is a wink and nod from Romney to the rich on this lie... Ok, got it, I think ::)
Well, at least I am sure now there is no fucking way I could vote for Romney or Obama.
the end.
Gary
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So what you're actually saying overall is that I have a valid question and it does point out hypocrisy by Romney and those supporting him but it doesn't matter because politicians lie to get in office and there is a wink and nod from Romney to the rich on this lie... Ok, got it, I think ::)
Well, at least I am sure now there is no fucking way I could vote for Romney or Obama.
the end.
Gary
Yes .
I dont expect romney to be honest. Many of my clients are plus 250k types. Guess what? I dont want them taxed to death!!!! Less money for them = less money for me
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Yes .
I dont expect romney to be honest. Many of my clients are plus 250k types. Guess what? I dont want them taxed to death!!!! Less money for them = less money for me
So your cover for what Romney said is that he is lying his ass off and that's ok. got it...
I'm voting Gary Johnson even if you have me at gunpoint bitch :D
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So your cover for what Romney said is that he is lying his ass off and that's ok. got it...
I'm voting Gary Johnson even if you have me at gunpoint bitch :D
Im voting for Rescue & Recovery because Obama = DISASTER to my clients and me
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another thing that's sick and wrong....
3333, your reasoning in this thread translates to ANY AND ALL subject for debate between Romney or Obama. Your reasoning here props Romney and nullifies any argument for Obama no matter what. In your view there is no point to debate here between the candidates. Yet you post 10 times more than anyone else and have the balls to post an opinion that essentially says "you're wrong no matter what"
nice.... A bit assholish, but nicely done for an arrogant bastard.
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another thing that's sick and wrong....
3333, your reasoning in this thread translates to ANY AND ALL subject for debate between Romney or Obama. Your reasoning here props Romney and nullifies any argument for Obama no matter what. In your view there is no point to debate here between the candidates. Yet you post 10 times more than anyone else and have the balls to post an opinion that essentially says "you're wrong no matter what"
nice.... A bit assholish, but nicely done for an arrogant bastard.
Hugo - here is the plain truth - under W my clients did fine and i did fine. yes we had a bubble. The bubble popped and many shit the bed. But guess what i hear every single day - Üntil obama is gone we are not doing shit" \\\
I hear that daily. Obama is a communist and a traitor and needs to go. Business and the economy wont recover until he goes away. that is all i care about
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Hugo - here is the plain truth - under W my clients did fine and i did fine. yes we had a bubble. The bubble popped and many shit the bed. But guess what i hear every single day - Üntil obama is gone we are not doing shit" \\\
I hear that daily. Obama is a communist and a traitor and needs to go. Business and the economy wont recover until he goes away. that is all i care about
Wait a fucking second ::) This is major dishonesty on your part. You work in debt collection. Shit hit the fan so hard in 2008 the fan still can't be found! That happened before Obama took office. You're dealing with clients trying to collect on debts. The bulk of increase in that business happenend as a result of the crash. At least you can not deny the debt collection business was obviously due for a major uptick no matter who won, Obama or McCain. That was fact. So your statement is bullshit because you didn't give all the facts.
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Wait a fucking second ::) This is major dishonesty on your part. You work in debt collection. Shit hit the fan so hard in 2008 the fan still can't be found! That happened before Obama took office. You're dealing with clients trying to collect on debts. The bulk of increase in that business happenend as a result of the crash. At least you can not deny the debt collection business was obviously due for a major uptick no matter who won, Obama or McCain. That was fact. So your statement is bullshit because you didn't give all the facts.
Not true at all. When the economy was going well more business activity was happening. More business activity means more business.
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Not true at all. When the economy was going well more business activity was happening. More business activity means more business.
You know the crash is the reason things are bad right?
You think people stop investing because the presidents name is Obama and not Romney/Bush ???
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You know the crash is the reason things are bad right?
You think people stop investing because the presidents name is Obama and not Romney/Bush ???
Yes.
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Yes.
And why is the reason for that?
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Not true at all. When the economy was going well more business activity was happening. More business activity means more business.
So you're telling me that your business for clients seeking debt collection was actually up more when the economy was better? Are you pranking me or are you really serious because you have got to be an exception if this is true...
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So you're telling me that your business for clients seeking debt collection was actually up more when the economy was better? Are you pranking me or are you really serious because you have got to be an exception if this is true...
actually never mind.... I know the answer to this question. There is no fucking way you have logged almost 100,000 posts in the time Obama won election without it hurting your business!!!! Not to mention this isn't even the only forum you post on. So what's the total with the other forums? I know you've been posting at FR again at least.
So in fact your business might be hurting because you're spending all your time freaking here and on other forums instead of fucking working for more clients.
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So you're telling me that your business for clients seeking debt collection was actually up more when the economy was better? Are you pranking me or are you really serious because you have got to be an exception if this is true...
Dead serious. I only do commercial not personal and when the economy is good everyone does better.
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actually never mind.... I know the answer to this question. There is no fucking way you have logged almost 100,000 posts in the time Obama won election without it hurting your business!!!! Not to mention this isn't even the only forum you post on. So what's the total with the other forums? I know you've been posting at FR again at least.
So in fact your business might be hurting because you're spending all your time freaking here and on other forums instead of fucking working for more clients.
BOooommmm
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Dead serious. I only do commercial not personal and when the economy is good everyone does better.
So you're telling me that your business went down after the crash.... If your specialty was debt collection and you missed out over these past 4 years because you were too busy spending your time here bitching about Obama.. oh god... You fucking missed the boat bitch. That is some serious loser shit right there.
Others in your business rode the wave and you ducked and bitched lol..
uh.... nope...
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So you're telling me that your business went down after the crash.... If your specialty was debt collection and you missed out over these past 4 years because you were too busy spending your time here bitching about Obama.. oh god... You fucking missed the boat bitch. That is some serious loser shit right there.
Others in your business rode the wave and you ducked and bitched lol..
uh.... nope...
You don't get it do you. If people are broke and no money is circulating, there is nothing to collect or be paid.
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You don't get it do you. If people are broke and no money is circulating, there is nothing to collect or be paid.
WTF are you serious? You are not a lawyer bitch fuck of with your lies.
No wonder you are a Romney cock sucker he lies as much as you.
GTFo bitch
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You don't get it do you. If people are broke and no money is circulating, there is nothing to collect or be paid.
Which happened as the result of a bubble collapse before Obama took office... Which was actually the perfect time for a douchhole in debt collection to ply his trade in the following months. which you failed to do because you were busy bitching on the net at a pace 20X anyone normal would ever attempt and which your competitors reeped the benefits of you spending all your time on getbig and FR bitching your ass off....
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Which happened as the result of a bubble collapse before Obama took office... Which was actually the perfect time for a douchhole in the debt collection to ply his trade in the following months. which you failed to do because you were busy bitching on the net at a pace 20X anyone normal would ever attempt and which your competitors reeped the benefits of you spending all your time on getbig and FR bitching your ass off....
You really are stupid. If people are in bankruptcy and foreclosure creditors get zilch.
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You really are stupid. If people are in bankruptcy and foreclosure creditors get zilch.
and again this started with a bubble that burst before Obama even took office. This portion of shit you can't blame on Obama.
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You really are stupid. If people are in bankruptcy and foreclosure creditors get zilch.
You are the one blaming Obama for a crash that happened before he took office.
Who is stupid again?
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You really are stupid. If people are in bankruptcy and foreclosure creditors get zilch.
tell the truth... You're pissed because you know I'm right. Any time there is an economic shift this big there is an open door for people like you to focus on the right people and cash in bigtime. Other scum do it with great success.... Don't blame us because you spent your time bitching instead of working.
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and again this started with a bubble that burst before Obama even took office. This portion of shit you can't blame on Obama.
Obama supported those policies remember?
What I blame obama for is enacting an agenda that scares the living shit out of business people to the point where no one will do anything until he is gone.
For example - I don't only do debt collection. A lot of times - I get a client for liens and construction work, then they ask me "Hey - you do real estate?" "Can you handle this lease issue for me?" "Can you help me buy this business?" "My sister is buying a house - can you handle that for her?" "I'm looking to go into this new venture - can you draw up the paperwork and review the contracts?"
Because that ghetto communist has scared so many businesses into hibernation - those conversations are less and less because less business is being conducted overall.
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tell the truth... You're pissed because you know I'm right. Any time there is an economic shift this big there is an open door for people like you to focus on the right people and cash in bigtime. Other scum do it with great success.... Don't blame us because you spent your time bitching instead of working.
No - you are an idiot. I have a lot more business on the debt collection side - but guess what MORON -less of it is collectible since more people are broke and busted out than ever.
So I have the work - its collecting that is harder since there is less to collect. If I get a judgment for $1,000,000 against a defunct business or property owner under water and in foreclosure - so fucking what. its still nothing to me.
Does your tiny little mush mind understand that?
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Obama supported those policies remember?
What I blame obama for is enacting an agenda that scares the living shit out of business people to the point where no one will do anything until he is gone.
For example - I don't only do debt collection. A lot of times - I get a client for liens and construction work, then they ask me "Hey - you do real estate?" "Can you handle this lease issue for me?" "Can you help me buy this business?" "My sister is buying a house - can you handle that for her?" "I'm looking to go into this new venture - can you draw up the paperwork and review the contracts?"
Because that ghetto communist has scared so many businesses into hibernation - those conversations are less and less because less business is being conducted overall.
oh, fine but I don't think you have any right or cred to downplay what happened in 2008 and you have spent the last few years trying to downplay the crash. I know a lot of people who instantly lost up to half of their business in the span of a few months over that and for the ones that stayed the coarse it took the last several years to get back to 80% of what they were before and I know people that actually just checked out and killed themselves over it when it happened. You can rail on Obama for some shit but I have watched you and other try to say it's all Obama and that's bullshit. Fucking nobody could have come in and fixed all that shit in this time and you fucking know it. I agree some shit didn't go right and I agree Obama actually fucked up bigtime in some areas but for me to watch you act like this entire thing is all Obama's fault is such a fucking insult. And don't say you haven't because yes you have.
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oh, fine but I don't think you have any right or cred to downplay what happened in 2008 and you have spent the last few years trying to downplay the crash. I know a lot of people who instantly lost up to half of their business in the span of a few months over that and for the ones that stayed the coarse it took the last several years to get back to 80% of what they were before and I know people that actually just checked out and killed themselves over it when it happened. You can rail on Obama for some shit but I have watched you and other try to say it's all Obama and that's bullshit. Fucking nobody could have come in and fixed all that shit in this time and you fucking know it. I agree some shit didn't go right and I agree Obama actually fucked up bigtime in some areas but for me to watch you act like this entire thing is all Obama's fault is such a fucking insult. And don't say you haven't because yes you have.
I didnt blame Obama for the crash. I do blame him to appointing the architects of the crash to his admn and continuing W's disastrous policies.
What I blame him for is enacting an agenda and policies afterwards that are intended to depress business and commerce overall.
Normally - when you have a crash - you bounce back in relation to the severity of the crash.
Had obama done nothing at all - we would be miles away better than we are now. He did the opposite of what a leader should have and is to blame for the no-recovery since he has attacked and scared the shit out of business for purely ideological reasons.