Ok so Mitt is going to end a lot of tax breaks, loopholes and deductions.

[Hugo Chavez]

suggesting he'll target the rich mostly.

I'm a little lost on this.  I've heard so many on the right here defend Romney for using these.  Republicans opposed Obama when he wanted to stop big oil from these tax breaks.  

I see stories like this: CEO to Workers: I May Fire You if Obama Wins attacking Obama for what he will cost them, but no mention of what they'll lose with some portion of their loopholes, tax breaks and deductions gone as promised by Romney?



and on a related note, is it right to tell the middle class that you're not going to raise their taxes when in reality you're going to take away deductions that will end with a higher tax burden in the end anyway?

[Soul Crusher]

suggesting he'll target the rich mostly.

I'm a little lost on this.  I've heard so many on the right here defend Romney for using these.  Republicans opposed Obama when he wanted to stop big oil from these tax breaks.  

I see stories like this: CEO to Workers: I May Fire You if Obama Wins attacking Obama for what he will cost them, but no mention of what they'll lose with some portion of their loopholes, tax breaks and deductions gone as promised by Romney?



and on a related note, is it right to tell the middle class that you're not going to raise their taxes when in reality you're going to take away deductions that will end with a higher tax burden in the end anyway?

Big oil does not get a tax break any different than anyone else. 

[Hugo Chavez]

Big oil does not get a tax break any different than anyone else.  

that didn't actually answer anything I asked but I'm not surpised you didn't.

The portion of my post you replied to simply shows republican support both on this board and in congress for tax breaks.  Yea, I already got that point lol...

The part I'm a little lost on is support for Romney with a promise to cost the rich and big companies plenty.  The article I noted from the CEO saying he'll fire people if Obama wins has no mention of what it will cost them if Romney is able to slash their loopholes, tax breaks and deductions.  And people on this board don't seem to mind either.  WHY?  On one hand Obama will tax you more vs. Romney saying you'll have to pay more through less loopholes, deductions and breaks.  Sounds like it could work out to where this CEO and others like him lose out no matter who is elected. Valid questions.

I also wonder how hypocritical it is of Romney to use these tax loopholes to keep millions for a very long ass time and after he's done with them, they're evil now.

[Hugo Chavez]

Big oil does not get a tax break any different than anyone else.  

Ok, more simple...  Do you support ending loopholes and tax breaks for big business and the rich as well as slashing deductions for the middle class and small business?  Yes or No?  explain if you want.  That's what Romney says he wants.  I'd like to know why a CEO can say he'll fire people over Obama but doesn't have a word to say about the money he'll lose over what Romney is proposing?

[Hugo Chavez]

really?  This shit isn't worth an answer?

[Fury]

You're right. Full steam ahead to $20+ trillion in debt aboard the USS Obama!

FOUR MORE YEARS!!!!!!

[Soul Crusher]

Ok, more simple...  Do you support ending loopholes and tax breaks for big business and the rich as well as slashing deductions for the middle class and small business?  Yes or No?  explain if you want.  That's what Romney says he wants.  I'd like to know why a CEO can say he'll fire people over Obama but doesn't have a word to say about the money he'll lose over what Romney is proposing?

He is lowering the rates across the board - so its generally neutral. 

[Hugo Chavez]

You're right. Full steam ahead to $20+ trillion in debt aboard the USS Obama!

FOUR MORE YEARS!!!!!!

Oh, that's what I said   Where in anything I've said is there support for Obama?  There's not... Why?  Because I no longer support Obama for president.  He should be behind bars with Holder imo.

That said, why can't I ask questions like this when I see hypocrisy on a major scale like this?  I'm supporting Gary Johnson.  Why wouldn't I want to point out the shit you get with both these guys?

Back to my questions now, which you didn't address either.

[Hugo Chavez]

He is lowering the rates across the board - so its generally neutral.  

ok, you're talking about tax rates across different brackets, I haven't said anything about tax rates have I?  In fact Romney in both the debate and on several other occations has suggested he will target the well off by shutting down loopholes and tax breaks.  So thanks by playing change the subject but I'm not biting.  You still have not answered a single question.

[Soul Crusher]

ok, you're talking about tax rates across different brackets, I haven't said anything about tax rates have I?  In fact Romney in both the debate and on several other occations has suggested he will target the well off by shutting down loopholes and tax breaks.  So thanks by playing change the subject but I'm not biting.  You still have not answered a single question.

You are not listening to what romney is saying. 

[Hugo Chavez]

You are not listening to what romney is saying. 

Are you then saying I didn't hear him right when HE SAID he will cut loopholes and deductions for the wealthy?  I'm pretty sure he said that.  Let's say he lowers rates even but then cuts loopholes, deductions and breaks for a portion of the middle class on up to the rich, yea it doesn't take much to see who takes the hit in that.  So where do CEO's get off yelling about cutting jobs when clearly they will get hit by Romney too?

[Soul Crusher]

Are you then saying I didn't hear him right when HE SAID he will cut loopholes and deductions for the wealthy?  I'm pretty sure he said that.  Let's say he lowers rates even but then cuts loopholes, deductions and breaks for a portion of the middle class on up to the rich, yea it doesn't take much to see who takes the hit in that.  So where do CEO's get off yelling about cutting jobs when clearly they will get hit by Romney too?

ObamaCare

[Hugo Chavez]

ObamaCare

That's part of what the CEO noted in the article I posted in my first post as reason to possibly fire people if Obama wins.  AND THAT'S MY QUESTION. Isn't it disingenuous to talk about the costs Obama brings but not mention the costs Romney proposes to the same people?  These guys bitching about Obama stand to loose a great deal of money if their deductions, breaks and loopholes are slashed under Romney.  Now you might not like me asking this question but it's a valid fucking question that doesn't deserve the dodges it's getting.

Also note this:  Obama went after reducing loopholes and tax breaks for the companies who are profiting megabigtime but Romney is actually proposing those same shutoffs to a much bigger portion of big business.  So how the hell can a big company threaten layoffs when what Romney is saying could easily cost them as much?  again, valid questions...

[Soul Crusher]

That's part of what the CEO noted in the article I posted in my first post as reason to possibly fire people if Obama wins.  AND THAT'S MY QUESTION. Isn't it disingenuous to talk about the costs Obama brings but not mention the costs Romney proposes to the same people?  These guys bitching about Obama stand to loose a great deal of money if their deductions, breaks and loopholes are slashed under Romney.  Now you might not like me asking this question but it's a valid fucking question that doesn't deserve the dodges it's getting.

Also note this:  Obama went after reducing loopholes and tax breaks for the companies who are profiting megabigtime but Romney is actually proposing those same shutoffs to a much bigger portion of big business.  So how the hell can a big company threaten layoffs when what Romney is saying could easily cost them as much?  again, valid questions...

Because the economy will be much better overall under romney and they know they will work other tax loopholes to keep what they want 

[Hugo Chavez]

Because the economy will be much better overall under romney and they know they will work other tax loopholes  to keep what they want  

So you're saying what Romney said was with a wink to the rich to fool the middle and lower class voters?

nice

[Soul Crusher]

So you're saying what Romney said was with a wink to the rich to fool the middle and lower class voters?

nice

Sort of.  But i favor a flat national sales tax and thats it no loopholes, no deductions, low rate. 

The current system is a disjointed mess. 

[Hugo Chavez]

Sort of.    

Your conspiracy theory here depends on the rich seeing through the deception Mitt has put forth.  And you're probably right, they probably do and that probably explains why a CEO is willing to call out Obama but not call out Mitt.  BUT THAT FACT AND WHAT IT SAYS IS NOT PRETTY FOR MITT EITHER. In fact it's kinda ugly if what you're suggesting is true.  

[Soul Crusher]

Your conspiracy theory here depends on the rich seeing through the deception Mitt has put forth.  And you're probably right, they probably do and that probably explains why a CEO is willing to call out Obama but not call out Mitt.  BUT THAT FACT AND WHAT IT SAYS IS NOT PRETTY FOR MITT EITHER. In fact it's kinda ugly if what you're suggesting is true.

Its politics and i am a cynical person to the core.   I deal w dishonest and shifty people daily.  

[Hugo Chavez]

Its politics and i am a cynical person to the core.   I deal w dishonest and shifty people daily.  

so you admit this is cynical, dishonest, shifty and hypocritical?  I was just looking for hypocritcal but I'll take the rest lol

Anyway, on the face of it as presented to the people, it looks like Romney is proposing things that Obama would get nailed for doing, that's true right?!  And there is a big level of hypocrisy in what he is proposing right?  True.

[Soul Crusher]

so you admit this is cynical, dishonest, shifty and hypocritical?  I was just looking for hypocritcal but I'll take the rest lol

Anyway, on the face of it as presented to the people, it looks like Romney is proposing things that Obama would get nailed for doing, that's true right?!  And there is a big level of hypocrisy in what he is proposing right?  True.

I think its based on a series of assumptions not likely to pan out.   

[Hugo Chavez]

I think its based on a series of assumptions not likely to pan out.  

we're not talking about assumptions, we're talking about statements and promises.  Each president is, to a degree, held to account for the statements and promises they made running for office so don't try to turn statements by Romney into assumptions by the people.  Romney has stated the things being discussed in this thread.

[Soul Crusher]

we're not talking about assumptions, we're talking about statements and promises.  Each president is, to a degree, held to account for the statements and promises they made running for office so don't try to turn statements by Romney into assumptions by the people.  Romney has stated the things being discussed in this thread.

The end result is never what was first promised.   

[Hugo Chavez]

The end result is never what was first promised.   

so what does that mean?  I shouldn't even ask these questions because shit never pans out?  If I didn't know better, you sound like you just gave Obama a huge pass for his transgressions against promises made.  Is that what you're doing?  Because you've spent the last several years saying exactly the opposite

[Soul Crusher]

so what does that mean?  I shouldn't even ask these questions because shit never pans out?  If I didn't know better, you sound like you just gave Obama a huge pass for his transgressions against promises made.  Is that what you're doing?  Because you've spent the last several years saying exactly the opposite

I expect pols to lie - the problem w obama is that his lies resulted in disastrous end results. 

[tbombz]

You're right. Full steam ahead to $20+ trillion in debt aboard the USS Obama!

FOUR MORE YEARS!!!!!!

you post this comment in the thread about mitt romney wanting to cut taxes