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Title: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Nomad on November 21, 2012, 03:27:25 PM
Why dont the Israelis just deport all the Palestinians to Mecca since Mecca is considered the "birthplace" of Muslimism / Islam?

 Logically if Palestinians are all Muslims and they want to live in their homeland why don't they just move to fucking Mecca.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: stingray on November 21, 2012, 03:31:46 PM
If jews love america so much, why dont they fuck off back to america. There i plenty of land there to build there jewish state.

Just saying.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Nomad on November 21, 2012, 03:32:41 PM
If jews love america so much, why dont they fuck off back to america. There i plenty of land there to build there jewish state.

Just saying.

Is America historically considered to be the Jewish homeland?! Are Jews somehow genetically related to Native Americans?! Your logic is flawed; next.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: a_ahmed on November 21, 2012, 03:35:29 PM
Is America historically considered to be the Jewish homeland?! Are Jews somehow genetically related to Native Americans?! Your logic is flawed; next.

wtf is Muslimism ignorant retard?

Palestinians are Muslim and Christian and have lived on this land literally for thousands of years.

Jews have been a minority for thousands of years since being expuled from Palestine by NOT muslims but Babylonians, Romans, Christians, etc...

In fact, they were PROTECTED by Muslims, although they were out numbered by Muslims and Christians living in Palestine
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: stingray on November 21, 2012, 03:35:51 PM
So you want palestinians to live in ther homeland but move to mecca?I think thats flawed
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: stingray on November 21, 2012, 03:37:12 PM
Its those evil jews who are invading, occupying, stealing palestinan land, building illegal settlements etc .
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Nomad on November 21, 2012, 03:44:10 PM
wtf is Muslimism ignorant retard?

Palestinians are Muslim and Christian and have lived on this land literally for thousands of years.

Jews have been a minority for thousands of years since being expuled from Palestine by NOT muslims but Babylonians, Romans, Christians, etc...

In fact, they were PROTECTED by Muslims, although they were out numbered by Muslims and Christians living in Palestine

Christianity - Christians, Buddhism - Buddhists, Catholicism - Catholics....but wait for it....Islam - Muslims. You are the ones who are fucking backward, retard.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: stingray on November 21, 2012, 03:53:21 PM
Christianity - Christians, Buddhism - Buddhists, Catholicism - Catholics....but wait for it....Islam - Muslims. You are the ones who are fucking backward, retard.

you dont even know what your talking about.


Do you also want indonesian muslims, afghanis, pakistani muslims, african muslims, every single muslism to live in mecca?

idiot
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: _bruce_ on November 21, 2012, 03:57:10 PM
Mecca will be quite the crowed plaza.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: a_ahmed on November 21, 2012, 03:58:44 PM
Well something like 3-4 million people internationally come for hajj.

That being said in the US alone there are 4 million muslims of which 1/4 million are converts (aka not arab, not pakistani, etc... -- white american, african american, asian american, etc...)

Yes retard because you are making shit even up "MUSLIMISM".

God... ........ you reinvent the word IGNORANT.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: OTHstrong on November 21, 2012, 04:03:31 PM
Why dont the Israelis just deport all the Palestinians to Mecca since Mecca is considered the "birthplace" of Muslimism / Islam?

 Logically if Palestinians are all Muslims and they want to live in their homeland why don't they just move to fucking Mecca.
Horrible idea,... If they even attempted that it would be the beginning of world war 3 bro, Palestinians have been living in that land for over 3 thousand years, you think they are just going to get up and leave, lol, NOPE.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
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Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 21, 2012, 04:44:32 PM
It's crazy, Hitler kills some Jews, the world feels bad for them, and then sets them up with their own country while expelling the indigenous people.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: OTHstrong on November 21, 2012, 04:48:33 PM
It's crazy, Hitler kills some Jews, the world feels bad for them, and then sets them up with their own country while expelling the indigenous people.
It is not as simple as you put it, Palestinians have a right to that country but so do the Jews, this has been on going for thousands of years and both have lived there for well over 3000 years. Now just my opinion but the Palestinians definitely deserve more then they are receiving.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 21, 2012, 04:52:41 PM
It is not as simple as you put it, Palestinians have a right to that country but so do the Jews, this has been on going for thousands of years and both have lived there for well over 3000 years. Now just my opinion but the Palestinians definitely deserve more then they are receiving.

I'm probably with you on this. I say to the victor go the spoils, but they had too much outside help. If they invaded on their own and took over, I'm fine with that, but this was forced upon them. Like a child being left at someone's house, then killing the parents.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: OTHstrong on November 21, 2012, 04:59:33 PM
I'm probably with you on this. I say to the victor go the spoils, but they had too much outside help. If they invaded on their own and took over, I'm fine with that, but this was forced upon them. Like a child being left at someone's house, then killing the parents.
True, in fact this is what history suggests but we are beyond the days of conquest and as hard to believe as it is we are living in a reformed world, in comparison to the past of course.

Now the game (for lack of a better term, obviously not a game) the Israeli's and the Palestinians have to play is political, do everything possible to avoid public opinion to hang them, I think whoever does this better will yield the most favorable results assuming all hell doesn't break loose.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 21, 2012, 05:18:45 PM
True, in fact this is what history suggests but we are beyond the days of conquest and as hard to believe as it is we are living in a reformed world, in comparison to the past of course.


I often think of this nowadays, like will we ever see the borders of a civilized country have its boarders changed because of war or politics. Like how Europe up until the mid twentieth century was still changing, borders of France and Germany. Maybe Greece will be the next, as they fall into bankruptcy, some other country will buy her. Maybe it goes back to the Ottomans?
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Nomad on November 21, 2012, 06:14:30 PM
Well something like 3-4 million people internationally come for hajj.

That being said in the US alone there are 4 million muslims of which 1/4 million are converts (aka not arab, not pakistani, etc... -- white american, african american, asian american, etc...)

Yes retard because you are making shit even up "MUSLIMISM".

God... ........ you reinvent the word IGNORANT.

so...how does that in any shape or form answer my question.

Christianity - Christians, Buddhism - Buddhists, Catholicism - Catholics....but wait for it....Islam - Muslims. You are the ones who are fucking backward, retard.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: OTHstrong on November 21, 2012, 06:33:20 PM
so...how does that in any shape or form answer my question.

The answer to your question is simple,... cause they can't. It is not even in the realm of possibilities
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: a_ahmed on November 21, 2012, 06:37:27 PM
You know what's funny (but actually really sad) that our resident OP doesn't know. Palestinians are not able to even travel if they see fit. It's not like you can magically get a visa to anywhere or leave Gaza if you want to. You have to jump hoops and hoops to get a chance to even VISIT family in palestine much less leave the country as you see fit (and hope to even return).
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: OTHstrong on November 21, 2012, 06:38:38 PM
You know what's funny (but actually really sad) that our resident OP doesn't know. Palestinians are not able to even travel if they see fit. It's not like you can magically get a visa to anywhere or leave Gaza if you want to. You have to jump hoops and hoops to get a chance to even VISIT family in palestine much less leave the country as you see fit (and hope to even return).
like I said, it is not possible
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: a_ahmed on November 21, 2012, 06:39:52 PM
Yeah no kidding. Gaza is basically one giant open space prison.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: OTHstrong on November 21, 2012, 06:42:12 PM
Yeah no kidding. Gaza is basically one giant open space prison.
Ya very sad what goes on there, I am actually sympathetic to the Palestinians this time.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Kwon_2 on November 21, 2012, 06:46:21 PM
Is America historically considered to be the Jewish homeland?! Are Jews somehow genetically related to Native Americans?! Your logic is flawed; next.

The Jews were there before the so called Injun Natives, they first landed there with their ships and planted some flags with this symbol
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but then changed their mind and flew to the east instead.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: arce1988 on November 21, 2012, 06:49:25 PM
  Jews are NO better than Arabs. ALL should be equal.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Nomad on November 21, 2012, 11:29:27 PM
You know what's funny (but actually really sad) that our resident OP doesn't know. Palestinians are not able to even travel if they see fit. It's not like you can magically get a visa to anywhere or leave Gaza if you want to. You have to jump hoops and hoops to get a chance to even VISIT family in palestine much less leave the country as you see fit (and hope to even return).

Oh Im sure if Palestinians wanted to leave Israel would let them go. Why don't Palestinians settle down in Mogadishu, Somalia or somewhere else in Africa where they are completely unwelcome just like the Jews were given statehood by the UN in 1948.

In the end most of this discussion is moot. The land that Palestinians claim is theirs for thousands of years haven't been theirs for even 2000 years because it used to be predominantly Jewish-Christian until the Arab
conquests in the 7th century. So if the Arabs took the land by force it is completely fair for the Jews to lay claim to it if they can take it by force and hold it, which they did.

So, case dismissed. Jews have 100% legal authority to the land and well...Palestinians should just stop bitching because they have no concrete argument or justification whatsoever for their "claim" to the land.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: AbrahamG on November 22, 2012, 12:11:07 AM
It's crazy, Hitler kills some Jews, the world feels bad for them, and then sets them up with their own country while expelling the indigenous people.

LMAO @ "some".  But I agree wholeheartedly with your larger point.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Kwon_2 on November 22, 2012, 12:25:33 AM
It's crazy, Hitler kills a good amount of Jews, the world feels bad for some of them, and then sets some of them up with their own country while expelling some of the indigenous people.

LMAO @ "some".
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Kwon_2 on November 22, 2012, 12:28:06 AM
Do you also want indonesian muslims, afghanis, pakistani muslims, african muslims, every single muslism to live in mecca?

Preferrably yes.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: OTHstrong on November 22, 2012, 12:28:24 AM
Oh Im sure if Palestinians wanted to leave Israel would let them go. Why don't Palestinians settle down in Mogadishu, Somalia or somewhere else in Africa where they are completely unwelcome just like the Jews were given statehood by the UN in 1948.

In the end most of this discussion is moot. The land that Palestinians claim is theirs for thousands of years haven't been theirs for even 2000 years because it used to be predominantly Jewish-Christian until the Arab
conquests in the 7th century. So if the Arabs took the land by force it is completely fair for the Jews to lay claim to it if they can take it by force and hold it, which they did.


So, case dismissed. Jews have 100% legal authority to the land and well...Palestinians should just stop bitching because they have no concrete argument or justification whatsoever for their "claim" to the land.
Bro that is not how things work. While the land has had many conquerors, every nation that had dominated that region always allowed both Palestinians and Israeli's to live there and call that region home.

Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Arabian, Byzantium, French, British and Ottoman rule all had dominated this region and a few other minor rulers and empires and some even on more then 1 occasion, however not one of these Nations can lay claim to the land now. Very complicated history here.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: manuelsonn on November 22, 2012, 01:10:21 AM
Why dont the Israelis just deport all the Palestinians to Mecca since Mecca is considered the "birthplace" of Muslimism / Islam?

 Logically if Palestinians are all Muslims and they want to live in their homeland why don't they just move to fucking Mecca.
why dont native indians just deport all the amricunts to europe , or africa or china since europe , or africa or china is their "birthplace"?
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Kwon_2 on November 22, 2012, 01:16:40 AM
why dont native indians just deport all the amricunts to europe , or africa or china since europe , or africa or china is their "birthplace"?

They can't.

If they oppose the white masters they get wiped out. US Military is no joke.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: david94 on November 22, 2012, 02:20:45 AM
wtf is Muslimism ignorant retard?

Palestinians are Muslim and Christian and have lived on this land literally for thousands of years.

Jews have been a minority for thousands of years since being expuled from Palestine by NOT muslims but Babylonians, Romans, Christians, etc...

In fact, they were PROTECTED by Muslims, although they were out numbered by Muslims and Christians living in Palestine

Why don't Arabs give back North Africa to Berbers since they colonize their land and convert them to Islam by force? ???
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Kwon_2 on November 22, 2012, 02:37:02 AM
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Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Tito24 on November 22, 2012, 03:02:24 AM
why would they leave their own land.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Nomad on November 22, 2012, 03:15:29 AM
Bro that is not how things work. While the land has had many conquerors, every nation that had dominated that region always allowed both Palestinians and Israeli's to live there and call that region home.

Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Arabian, Byzantium, French, British and Ottoman rule all had dominated this region and a few other minor rulers and empires and some even on more then 1 occasion, however not one of these Nations can lay claim to the land now. Very complicated history here.

Yes, because none of those mentioned control it now....the Jews / the Israelis do. And actually if you control a region militarily...you basically have indisputable control over it for the time being.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Radical Plato on November 22, 2012, 03:29:05 AM
Might makes right - Palestinians should stop their pathetic bitching and if they don't, a huge god almighty nuclear bomb should be dropped, this will eradicate a good portion of evil Muslims and effectively deal with the worlds over population problem.  All Muslims should be done away with, Islam banned and sent the same way as Imperial Japan and Communism.  Does anyone really think non-muslims would lose an ounce of sleep if Muslims no longer existed?
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: csnut18 on November 22, 2012, 03:44:48 AM
Why dont the Israelis just deport all the Palestinians to Mecca since Mecca is considered the "birthplace" of Muslimism / Islam?

 Logically if Palestinians are all Muslims and they want to live in their homeland why don't they just move to fucking Mecca.

This is honestly the most sensible post I have seen on this board.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: OTHstrong on November 22, 2012, 03:46:05 AM
Yes, because none of those mentioned control it now....the Jews / the Israelis do. And actually if you control a region militarily...you basically have indisputable control over it for the time being.
I agree with you on this one, but there are limits on every nations control policies based on UN regulations.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: dr.chimps on November 22, 2012, 03:47:55 AM
I agree with you on this one, but there are limits on every nations control policies based on UN regulations.
Pretty sure Israel has disregarded/flouted any sanctions the UN has handed down.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Tito24 on November 22, 2012, 03:51:54 AM
haha as if they give a shit about the UN
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: OTHstrong on November 22, 2012, 03:52:05 AM

Jews have been a minority for thousands of years since being expuled from Palestine by NOT muslims but Babylonians, Romans, Christians, etc...

Correction; The Babylonians expelled them from Isreal and Judah (Judea) not Palestine, it was not called Palestine back then, only a small fraction of the land was (1/6 at most).
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: OTHstrong on November 22, 2012, 03:53:33 AM
haha as if they give a shit about the UN
Everyone does, if they didn't their would be non-stop full scale war.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: david94 on November 22, 2012, 03:57:05 AM
I agree with you on this one, but there are limits on every nations control policies based on UN regulations.

Yes, until you receive thousands of rockets per year.
You know their is no country in the world who is able to tolerate if only one bomb without reacting or responding.

The only thing I blame is colonization in Cisjordania but Ghazawis chose the hamas as government while Israelis retired their position from their land. Now they must take their responsabilities like every people in the world should do.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: manuelsonn on November 22, 2012, 04:12:14 AM
Yes, until you receive thousands of rockets per year.
You know their is no country in the world who is able to tolerate if only one bomb without reacting or respinding.

The only thing I blame is colonization in Cisjordania but Ghazawis chose the hamas as government while Israelis retired their position from their land. Now they to take their responsabilities like every people in the world should do.
you re opinion its 0, you re name is david
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Kwon_2 on November 22, 2012, 04:13:54 AM
you re opinion its 0, you re name is david

Your opinion is 1, your name is manuelsonn.

"Your"

"You are opinion it is two, you are name is david" = ?
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: manuelsonn on November 22, 2012, 04:15:15 AM
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Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: canyon on November 22, 2012, 08:41:53 AM
Might makes right - Palestinians should stop their pathetic bitching and if they don't, a huge god almighty nuclear bomb should be dropped, this will eradicate a good portion of evil Muslims and effectively deal with the worlds over population problem.  All Muslims should be done away with, Islam banned and sent the same way as Imperial Japan and Communism.  Does anyone really think non-muslims would lose an ounce of sleep if Muslims no longer existed?
I agree if the bomb was dropped on ISREAL.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: littledumbells on November 22, 2012, 08:44:09 AM
why dont native indians just deport all the amricunts to europe , or africa or china since europe , or africa or china is their "birthplace"?

   Who would go to the casinos?
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Conker on November 22, 2012, 09:01:05 AM
Oh Im sure if Palestinians wanted to leave Israel would let them go. Why don't Palestinians settle down in Mogadishu, Somalia or somewhere else in Africa where they are completely unwelcome just like the Jews were given statehood by the UN in 1948.

In the end most of this discussion is moot. The land that Palestinians claim is theirs for thousands of years haven't been theirs for even 2000 years because it used to be predominantly Jewish-Christian until the Arab
conquests in the 7th century. So if the Arabs took the land by force it is completely fair for the Jews to lay claim to it if they can take it by force and hold it, which they did.

So, case dismissed. Jews have 100% legal authority to the land and well...Palestinians should just stop bitching because they have no concrete argument or justification whatsoever for their "claim" to the land.

It's not simply the Palestinians who claims its theirs, the entire international community sees it as theirs. Not a single government worldwide recognises Israel's right to be in Palestine.
Hence the universally used term "the occupied territories".
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: OTHstrong on November 22, 2012, 10:09:28 AM
It's not simply the Palestinians who claims its theirs, the entire international community sees it as theirs. Not a single government worldwide recognises Israel's right to be in Palestine.
Hence the universally used term "the occupied territories".
Nothing can be further from the truth, everyone recognizes Israel's right to be there, including Palestinians. The Palestinians will settle for Israel to live there as long as the land is shared evenly and as long as the Israeli's don't hog all the natural resource which seems to be the case.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Conker on November 22, 2012, 10:23:01 AM
Nothing can be further from the truth, everyone recognizes Israel's right to be there, including Palestinians. The Palestinians will settle for Israel to live there as long as the land is shared evenly and as long as the Israeli's don't hog all the natural resource which seems to be the case.


No... everyone recognises Israel's right to be in Israel as per pre 1967 boundaries, not a single nation on earth recognises Israel's right to expand(as they have/are) beyond said boundaries...

Surely you aware of this?
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: OTHstrong on November 22, 2012, 10:25:53 AM

No... everyone recognises Israel's right to be in Israel as per pre 1967 boundaries, not a single nation on earth recognises Israel's right to expand(as they have/are) beyond said boundaries...

Surely you aware of this?
Of course

Sinse you clarified your statement I agree with it, but that was not what you said in your original post
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Ron on November 22, 2012, 10:40:41 AM
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It is not as simple as you put it, Palestinians have a right to that country but so do the Jews, this has been on going for thousands of years and both have lived there for well over 3000 years. Now just my opinion but the Palestinians definitely deserve more then they are receiving.

The problem is not with the Palestinians. It is with Hamas, who does not want peace.  Many of the Palestinians and Arabs I have talked to over the year wants peace.  But if they say that, Hamas calls them an Israeli Collaborator and kills them. Not good.  They need to get rid of Hamas.  In the West Bank, things are pretty good, but they cannot achieve peace and their own state without the solution in Gaza.

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It's not simply the Palestinians who claims its theirs, the entire international community sees it as theirs. Not a single government worldwide recognises Israel's right to be in Palestine.  Hence the universally used term "the occupied territories".

As usual, ignorant and a lie.  Almost all nations recognize Israel, with the exception of the Arab countries, and the countries that need the Arab oil or are their allies. Simple as that.  The occupied territories? You mean Gaza and the West Bank.  Um... I think that for 19 years after 1948, they could of had their own state... but oops... Jordan (who controlled the West Bank), and Egpyt (who controlled Gaza) would and did not let them. You are blaming Israel because Jordan and Egypt said screw Palestine? Funny.

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No... everyone recognizes Israel's right to be in Israel as per pre 1967 boundaries, not a single nation on earth recognises Israel's right to expand(as they have/are) beyond said boundaries...

Pre-1967 borders.  Forget it.  A typical argument saying since Israel won the war in 1967, they should give back everything. Not going to happen. Now, a true negotiation might equal various land back in equal to it, and perhaps there can be a two state solution. But we need to wait until Hamas recognizes Israel before anything can happen. Stop blaming Israel. Blame Hamas.  All they need to do is recognize Israel and start negotiating instead of firing missiles and killing their own people.

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Deporting All Palestinians

Guys, get real.  90% of Palestinians want peace and harmony.  It is the 10% of the radical and Hamas that dont let that happen, because they like the control and the fear.  If they lose that, they lose everything.  20% of the people living in Israel are of Arab decent.  You can get along.  But not if your leaders vow to destroy everything instead of trying to make life better for the people who really want it.



Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Conker on November 22, 2012, 10:45:17 AM
Of course

Sinse you clarified your statement I agree with it, but that was not what you said in your original post

OK glad we agree!

But I think my original wording was correct. The international community regard anything inside the 1967 boundaries as Israel and everything outside as Palestine. Hence why I said no one recognises Israel's right to be in Palestine.  

The problem is Israel has moved over 1/2 million of its own civilian population into regions outside of the 1967 and ran the previous inhabits off the land....and even though International Law and the rest of world states that Israel must withdraw , no real pressure is put on them and they have show zero intention of complying.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: Conker on November 22, 2012, 10:57:15 AM
The problem is not with the Palestinians. It is with Hamas, who does not want peace.  Many of the Palestinians and Arabs I have talked to over the year wants peace.  But if they say that, Hamas calls them an Israeli Collaborator and kills them. Not good.  They need to get rid of Hamas.  In the West Bank, things are pretty good, but they cannot achieve peace and their own state without the solution in Gaza.

As usual, ignorant and a lie.  Almost all nations recognize Israel, with the exception of the Arab countries, and the countries that need the Arab oil or are their allies. Simple as that.  The occupied territories? You mean Gaza and the West Bank.  Um... I think that for 19 years after 1948, they could of had their own state... but oops... Jordan (who controlled the West Bank), and Egpyt (who controlled Gaza) would and did not let them. You are blaming Israel because Jordan and Egypt said screw Palestine? Funny.

Pre-1967 borders.  Forget it.  A typical argument saying since Israel won the war in 1967, they should give back everything. Not going to happen. Now, a true negotiation might equal various land back in equal to it, and perhaps there can be a two state solution. But we need to wait until Hamas recognizes Israel before anything can happen. Stop blaming Israel. Blame Hamas.  All they need to do is recognize Israel and start negotiating instead of firing missiles and killing their own people.

Guys, get real.  90% of Palestinians want peace and harmony.  It is the 10% of the radical and Hamas that dont let that happen, because they like the control and the fear.  If they lose that, they lose everything.  20% of the people living in Israel are of Arab decent.  You can get along.  But not if your leaders vow to destroy everything instead of trying to make life better for the people who really want it.





I agree it will likely be impossible to return completely to 1967 boundaries but IMO Israel does not really want to negotiate anything, Israel wants to sit in that land until the rest of the world just forgets and recognises it as Israel.

How can you blame Hamas? Israel is the aggressor, Israel is the nation with 60 odd UN resolutions against it for it's building of illegal settlements outside of the recognised boundaries and general abuses of human rights...the Geneva 4th Convention states that any transfer of its own civilian population by the occupying power is illegal. Israel has transferred over half million.

How can you expect Hamas to follow any code of conduct when the aggressor shows a total disregard for international law...

But you are right Israel is not to blame, it's the US, Israel cannot survive without their political and economic backing ...The US could get Israel to comply with international law overnight, just with the simple threat of withdrawing aid/support if they don't...

Unless there is more to the relationship than meets the eye.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: _bruce_ on November 22, 2012, 02:36:07 PM
Ron gives some great points.
The UN is not humanitarian in any way or sense - many countries are far from democratic so their "good will" better be ignored. There is no push for the "better" in politics but for enlarging spheres of influence. It's a competition among enemies, peers, false friends, etc.


Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: a_ahmed on November 22, 2012, 02:48:26 PM
I agree it will likely be impossible to return completely to 1967 boundaries but IMO Israel does not really want to negotiate anything, Israel wants to sit in that land until the rest of the world just forgets and recognises it as Israel.

How can you blame Hamas? Israel is the aggressor, Israel is the nation with 60 odd UN resolutions against it for it's building of illegal settlements outside of the recognised boundaries and general abuses of human rights...the Geneva 4th Convention states that any transfer of its own civilian population by the occupying power is illegal. Israel has transferred over half million.

How can you expect Hamas to follow any code of conduct when the aggressor shows a total disregard for international law...

But you are right Israel is not to blame, it's the US, Israel cannot survive without their political and economic backing ...The US could get Israel to comply with international law overnight, just with the simple threat of withdrawing aid/support if they don't...

Unless there is more to the relationship than meets the eye.

Best post in whole thread.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: 24KT on November 22, 2012, 03:29:09 PM
Best post in whole thread.

I  agree. Conker is definitely well versed on the issue.
It's such a refreshing change to see posts from someone who actually has the facts at his disposal, instead of the over regurgitated Zionist lie.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: a_ahmed on November 22, 2012, 03:33:59 PM
I'm surprised Ron is so staunchly pro-israel, it's almost like listening to IDF/Israeli right wing politician propaganda on rewind.

I know he's Jewish but not every Jew is pro-israel. Jews come in many flavours lol.

Hell I had a friend back in college who I had a crush on, Jewish girl in my class haha... we were cool, and she was actually pro-Palestinian and very well versed on the history and situation. In fact in political and social classes she would back me up.

Had another Jewish friend in college since first year lol by coincidence his name was Ron too... he was OKAY, but maan he didn't know how to speak, he would cuss too much so I tried to keep a distance.. a bit too 'ghetto' lol.. and he definetely didn't know how to talk to girls -_-; every girl we passed by he would be yo babe lets fuck out loud... that was terrible -_- However whenever I spoke about God and tried to persuade him to be better he would listen.. not a bad guy just quite a bit misguided. Kind of wondering how he's turned out and where he is. As far as politics go he just didn't care. Cared more about his car and girls lol..

Then I had a Jewish sales man and his son sell me a piece of shit turbo car... that was a bad experience -_- He knew I race, so I gunned it a bit on the backroads and he was 'worried', and rightly so.. the car was beat before hand... lasted very short with me :) hahahaha hey Jews come in all flavours :P

At work I got tooons of Jewish people I'm working with. I come in with my Keffiyah, they know I became Muslim, etc... everyone's good. And when it comes to politics not everyone is pro-US or pro-Israel

This whole idea of being Jewish is being pro-israel is wrong. There are so many Jews who don't want anything to do with Israel. There's some really evil pricks and then there's some really nice people.

However Israel... is an evil regime and yes, not everyone even in Israel approves of what Israel does or has done.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: 24KT on November 22, 2012, 03:45:26 PM
I'm surprised Ron is so staunchly pro-israel, it's almost like listening to IDF/Israeli right wing politician propaganda on rewind.

I'm not surprised at all. Ron is not only a Jew, he is an American Jew. His information for the most part is filtered through years of AIPAC's Zionist agenda.

If he lived in Israel, and was able to see first hand what was taking place, ...or if he perhaps was not subject to the Zionist agenda so prevalent in North America, he might be able to see the situation more objectively.

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I know he's Jewish but not every Jew is pro-israel. Jews come in many flavours lol.

There are those who have fought long & hard to get to the truth of what's really taking place over there, but it's not easy, ...especially for North American Jews.

I think if most North American Jews understood the level of dissent in Israel for Israeli state policy towards the Palestinians, they'd fall over from shock.

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Hell I had a friend back in college who I had a crush on, Jewish girl in my class haha... we were cool, and she was actually pro-Palestinian and very well versed on the history and situation. In fact in political and social classes she would back me up.

Had another Jewish friend in college since first year lol by coincidence his name was Ron too... he was OKAY, but maan he didn't know how to speak, he would cuss too much so I tried to keep a distance.. a bit too 'ghetto' lol.. and he definetely didn't know how to talk to girls -_-; every girl we passed by he would be yo babe lets fuck out loud... that was terrible -_- However whenever I spoke about God and tried to persuade him to be better he would listen.. not a bad guy just quite a bit misguided. Kind of wondering how he's turned out and where he is. As far as politics go he just didn't care. Cared more about his car and girls lol..

Sounds to me like a typical opening line from 333386. That's the persona he exudes.
Title: Re: Deporting all Palestinians
Post by: a_ahmed on November 22, 2012, 03:49:33 PM
333386? I r confuse. You mean the so called 'pick up line' LMAO. Oh boy... you don't know the first of it, epic failure and emberassment for me being his friend  :-[ I'm sure he doesn't say that now a days LOL