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I was intrigued by the thread about Dorian Yates' drug use. What intrigued me the most is that people actually believed the claim of about 1.5 grams of steroids to build his physique. I have interacted with Dorian a few times in passing, but we have never talked much about drug use so I called up a friend of mine who was friends with Dorian's trainer partner in Blood and Guts (Leroy i think his name was). I asked him if he had any idea of what Dorian was taking around the time he was competing at the Olympia. Most of this was based on what he remembered him and Leroy (again, I think this was his name) talking about...
offseason 3-4 grams of testosterone, a gram or so of deca, "insane amounts of oral steroids" (i am not sure what dosages this refers to but this is a quote).
Pre contest "every 2-3 hours 1 amp of parabolan 1 amp of winstrol 1 amp primo 1 amp masteron"
When i asked him about GH he said Dorian experimented with a number of methods of using GH..."intravenous GH numerous tons of times per day in very small doses, waking up 3-4 times per night to IV it, using it intramuscular in large doses, using it sub-q in small doses throughout the day, every possible combination Dorian tried..." When I asked about overall amount of GH he said he "Wasnt sure the total amount but definitely over 20" because he specifically remembered a time Dorian stayed with him and there was "always about 2-3 empty vials of GH lying around at the end of each day"
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I was intrigued by the thread about Dorian Yates' drug use. What intrigued me the most is that people actually believed the claim of about 1.5 grams of steroids to build his physique. I have interacted with Dorian a few times in passing, but we have never talked much about drug use so I called up a friend of mine who was friends with Dorian's trainer partner in Blood and Guts (Leroy i think his name was). I asked him if he had any idea of what Dorian was taking around the time he was competing at the Olympia. Most of this was based on what he remembered him and Leroy (again, I think this was his name) talking about...
offseason 3-4 grams of testosterone, a gram or so of deca, "insane amounts of oral steroids" (i am not sure what dosages this refers to but this is a quote).
Pre contest "every 2-3 hours 1 amp of parabolan 1 amp of winstrol 1 amp primo 1 amp masteron"
When i asked him about GH he said Dorian experimented with a number of methods of using GH..."intravenous GH numerous tons of times per day in very small doses, waking up 3-4 times per night to IV it, using it intramuscular in large doses, using it sub-q in small doses throughout the day, every possible combination Dorian tried..." When I asked about overall amount of GH he said he "Wasnt sure the total amount but definitely over 20" because he specifically remembered a time Dorian stayed with him and there was "always about 2-3 empty vials of GH lying around at the end of each day"
EVERY 2-3 HOURS???????
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sounds llike a regular pin cushion
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Cool Story bro ::)
we already have a GH15
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Actually, part of what seemed to be muscle mass was a reaction to the pinning.
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Cool Story bro ::)
we already have a GH15
:D
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It's funny that Dorian gets labeled as a heavy user just because he was so dominant. He was the most rational bodybuilder of all time, why wouldn't he handle his useage the same way?
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It's funny that Dorian gets labeled as a heavy user just because he was so dominant. He was the most rational bodybuilder of all time, why wouldn't he handle his useage the same way?
Nobody knows except him.
that being said, I'll use my common sense and not believe that the biggest, hardest bodybuilder to ever walk the planet accomplished it by using half of what every other guy took. Use your head
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LOL Awesome, every 2-3 hours. INSANE. Thanks as always BFG, What about slin? You can tell he used it in 97 cause his physique was different and although hard as nails he didn't have the separation he had previously.
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a friend of a friends friend told me blabla ::)
yeah right injections every 2 hours, totally makes sense, why not use more at once
Lets say you are using 200mg tren 200mg masteron 200mg primo 300mg winstrol everyday...a common pre contest protocol for most top guys. You would inject 9cc's at one time?
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It's funny that Dorian gets labeled as a heavy user just because he was so dominant. He was the most rational bodybuilder of all time, why wouldn't he handle his useage the same way?
Probably the reason why he used a lot. Yates was one of the first and most enduring mass monsters. Knowing that he didn't pull a Benazziza or a Munster, it just means he knew a bit better what he was doing, not that he was doing less.
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I was intrigued by the thread about Dorian Yates' drug use. What intrigued me the most is that people actually believed the claim of about 1.5 grams of steroids to build his physique. I have interacted with Dorian a few times in passing, but we have never talked much about drug use so I called up a friend of mine who was friends with Dorian's trainer partner in Blood and Guts (Leroy i think his name was). I asked him if he had any idea of what Dorian was taking around the time he was competing at the Olympia. Most of this was based on what he remembered him and Leroy (again, I think this was his name) talking about...
offseason 3-4 grams of testosterone, a gram or so of deca, "insane amounts of oral steroids" (i am not sure what dosages this refers to but this is a quote). www.world-pharma.org
Pre contest "every 2-3 hours 1 amp of parabolan 1 amp of winstrol 1 amp primo 1 amp masteron"
When i asked him about GH he said Dorian experimented with a number of methods of using GH..."intravenous GH numerous tons of times per day in very small doses, waking up 3-4 times per night to IV it, using it intramuscular in large doses, using it sub-q in small doses throughout the day, every possible combination Dorian tried..." When I asked about overall amount of GH he said he "Wasnt sure the total amount but definitely over 20" because he specifically remembered a time Dorian stayed with him and there was "always about 2-3 empty vials of GH lying around at the end of each day"
pure bulshit! not true,NEVER!
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Lets say you are using 200mg tren 200mg masteron 200mg primo 300mg winstrol everyday...a common pre contest protocol for most top guys. You would inject 9cc's at one time?
why wouldn't you just not even bother with the whole "offseason bulk up"?
just take that shit starting 16 weeks out and you will look exactly the same. they just diet off the bulk anyway, why even have it?
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Probably the reason why he used a lot. Yates was one of the first and most enduring mass monsters. Knowing that he didn't pull a Benazziza or a Munster, it just means he knew a bit better what he was doing, not that he was doing less.
Haney was a mass monster in his time. Is he assumed to have used more than everyone else? You have to hit the genetic lottery to look like Haney or Yates. That's why no one else was catching them, no matter what they took.
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Haney was a mass monster in his time. Is he assumed to have used more than everyone else? You have to hit the genetic lottery to look like Haney or Yates. That's why no one else was catching them, no matter what they took.
Nasser, Dillet, JP Fux were all actually bigger than Dorian, so i guess they took even less, huh? ::)
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Haney was a mass monster in his time. Is he assumed to have used more than everyone else? You have to hit the genetic lottery to look like Haney or Yates. That's why no one else was catching them, no matter what they took.
In his time says it all. Haney vs Dorian 91: Haney wins by a small margin, Dorian winning the muscularity round. ´92 Dorian looks pretty much the same, a bit sharper. And how do you explain Dorian ´93 then? The metamorphosis is probably due to a change in diet, right?
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LOL MB getting destroyed with logic bombs.
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In his time says it all. Haney vs Dorian 91: Haney wins by a small margin, Dorian winning the muscularity round. ´92 Dorian looks pretty much the same, a bit sharper. And how do you explain Dorian ´93 then? The metamorphosis is probably due to a change in diet, right?
We are dealing with a Dorian fanboy here, logic and reason are irrelevant. like when you talk to a girl.
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We are dealing with a Dorian fanboy here, logic and reason are irrelevant. like when you talk to a girl.
Your original point that only he knows is correct. I just find it funny that the biggest guy is assumed to be the biggest user. According to that logic, the smallest guy is the smallest user, and we know that's not always the case.
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Your original point that only he knows is correct. I just find it funny that the biggest guy is assumed to be the biggest user. According to that logic, the smallest guy is the smallest user, and we know that's not always the case.
You got destroyed and now your backing down. We all see it. LOL at the thought Dorian wasn't a drug monster in anyones world.
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You got destroyed and now your backing down. We all see it. LOL at the thought Dorian wasn't a drug monster in anyones world.
Backing down? No. If I had to bet, his use was in line with his competition. No one really knows, just a lot of speculation.
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Your original point that only he knows is correct. I just find it funny that the biggest guy is assumed to be the biggest user. According to that logic, the smallest guy is the smallest user, and we know that's not always the case.
No we don't..we don't "know" anything when it comes to other people's dosages. but common sense dictates that the second best Bodybulider ever didn't get that way by using low doses in a sport that is 1000% reliant on drugs. At that level these guys have blown past their genetic limits 40 pounds ago, it's chemical warfare.
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Backing down? No. If I had to bet, his use was in line with his competition. No one really knows, just a lot of speculation.
In line with competition = Drug monster. I'm not trying to be a dick but are you new to the bodybuilding scene?
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niggs u my wigger
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In line with competition = Drug monster. I'm not trying to be a dick but are you new to the bodybuilding scene?
Waking up 3-4 times per night for IV GH? I'm calling BS on this.
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why wouldn't you just not even bother with the whole "offseason bulk up"?
just take that shit starting 16 weeks out and you will look exactly the same. they just diet off the bulk anyway, why even have it?
because some people who compete are interested in building muscle size each year, especially in their legs and back, important areas that win shows. you would not know this having not trying to gain size but rather look like a penguin and be just upper body
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ok prior to setting up CNP with kerry kayes dorian used to talk a bit with borresen. now boresen was a nutjob but I recall speaking to someone when chemical warfare (the original CNP) and aksing him for a beginners cycle
I was informed
4 vials of sust - weeks 1-5
weeks 6-8- 400mg primo
1 anapolon per day for 4 weeks
when I spoke to someone after doing that cycle I was informed to keep it simple
1 sust per day and 10-15 pronabol 5 a day
borresen was big on hgh 'pulsing' which is what the op mentioned.
now if this info was coming to more or less neophytes do you believe dorian was taking at these levels
also all this lot were BIG on slin, igf-1, dnp, cytadren, clen, t3.
the idea that instead of this dorian took 4 vials of sust a week and a bit of deca is ludicrous.
I recall a large pro at a very famous london gym once telling me - load up a 5ml with what you can afford and to it 3 times a week- iif you can do more do it- but this is what you need.
I was also quoted 30iu of hgh as 'what it takes' and 20-30iu plus of slin per meal
the most important genetics are those that allow you to process loads of gear and withstand the stress strain, eating and overall hassle to your body. this shit about 'quick responders' is nonsense- it should be quick responders to massive doseages.
next up is eating- if you can't feed often and all the time you won't gain as much. and thirdly- the ability to behave yourself stay away from ale and class a drugs.
and the overall important ability is the ability to afford this week in week out for ages
that and cybergenics, mct oils, dibencozide and FRAC, perhaps with a bit of chlorophyll and beta-sitersterol- perhaps a bit of smilax too
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Dorian grew in 93 by switching to negatives and making the mind muscle connection
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I was intrigued by the thread about Dorian Yates' drug use. What intrigued me the most is that people actually believed the claim of about 1.5 grams of steroids to build his physique. I have interacted with Dorian a few times in passing, but we have never talked much about drug use so I called up a friend of mine who was friends with Dorian's trainer partner in Blood and Guts (Leroy i think his name was). I asked him if he had any idea of what Dorian was taking around the time he was competing at the Olympia. Most of this was based on what he remembered him and Leroy (again, I think this was his name) talking about...
offseason 3-4 grams of testosterone, a gram or so of deca, "insane amounts of oral steroids" (i am not sure what dosages this refers to but this is a quote).
Pre contest "every 2-3 hours 1 amp of parabolan 1 amp of winstrol 1 amp primo 1 amp masteron"
When i asked him about GH he said Dorian experimented with a number of methods of using GH..."intravenous GH numerous tons of times per day in very small doses, waking up 3-4 times per night to IV it, using it intramuscular in large doses, using it sub-q in small doses throughout the day, every possible combination Dorian tried..." When I asked about overall amount of GH he said he "Wasnt sure the total amount but definitely over 20" because he specifically remembered a time Dorian stayed with him and there was "always about 2-3 empty vials of GH lying around at the end of each day"
You make me want to take drugs.
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Nobody knows except him.
that being said, I'll use my common sense and not believe that the biggest, hardest bodybuilder to ever walk the planet accomplished it by using half of what every other guy took. Use your head
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Damn read this and maybe I should throw the towel in. Not that I ever expected to look like Dorian but how can one's body handle all that. Even at 600mg Test, my heart races like a horse at the track when I'm at the gym
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It's funny that Dorian gets labeled as a heavy user just because he was so dominant. He was the most rational bodybuilder of all time, why wouldn't he handle his useage the same way?
Not because of that, but because he has British genes. Think about it, Churchill, Prince Charles, Dorian Yates..what a gene pool. Most of all Yates is a prove that drugs makes miracles. Try to name 5 other british top bodybuilders? Four of them we have never heard of.
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really?
al beckles
bertil fox
charles clairmonte
reg park
flex lewis
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Damn read this and maybe I should throw the towel in. Not that I ever expected to look like Dorian but how can one's body handle all that. Even at 600mg Test, my heart races like a horse at the track when I'm at the gym
That's the name of the game my friend. The ones that can handle the most have the genetics to do so, of course they never started like that. They added year after year and never stopped growing and built tolerance levels throughout the years.
Wiggs keeping the naive ones in check 8)
BFG is the real deal gentleman. ;)
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Ronnie was a better steroid user.
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Not because of that, but because he has British genes. Think about it, Churchill, Prince Charles, Dorian Yates..what a gene pool. Most of all Yates is a prove that drugs makes miracles. Try to name 5 other british top bodybuilders? Four of them we have never heard of.
Yates's Dad or Mom was German. Prince Charles is inbred upon inbred.
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It's funny that Dorian gets labeled as a heavy user just because he was so dominant. He was the most rational bodybuilder of all time, why wouldn't he handle his useage the same way?
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Waking up 3-4 times per night for IV GH? I'm calling BS on this.
He wouldn't have to wake up. Just hook it in and go to sleep.
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8) Well he didn't have massive GYNO ?
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Couple questions:
1. What dosage do you have to be at to be considered a "drug monster?" Would let's say 2500mg test ent, 1000mg/deca, 700mg tren ace, week, 200mg anadrol/day be considered a "drug monster?" Or would it have to be much higher?
2. If Dorian was doing 30 iu/day in a HGH pen "high quality human grade, no Chinese crap", that is VERY VERY expensive. Unless he was stealing it, that amounts to anywhere from $30,000-$40,000 a MONTH in HGH alone. Forget about the food, other steroids, rent, car, life expenses. How was he affording it? Don't say G4P either, or he has some super special source that got it dirt cheap. Unless he was doing it nearly full time and had some very high paying schmoes, that's just not possible; be real.
I'm not saying Dorian didn't take a lot, but some of these numbers when you throw them out there and think about it logically, make no sense and or are virtually impossible unless you were immune to injection pain and very wealthy.
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2. If Dorian was doing 30 iu/day in a HGH pen "high quality human grade, no Chinese crap", that is VERY VERY expensive. Unless he was stealing it, that amounts to anywhere from $30,000-$40,000 a MONTH in HGH alone. Forget about the food, other steroids, rent, car, life expenses. How was he affording it? Don't say G4P either, or he has some super special source that got it dirt cheap. Unless he was doing it nearly full time and had some very high paying schmoes, that's just not possible; be real.
I'm not saying Dorian didn't take a lot, but some of these numbers when you throw them out there and think about it logically, make no sense and or are virtually impossible unless you were immune to injection pain and very wealthy.
I don't know how Dorian got a hold of his drugs but I can answer this question based on the reality of most bodybuilders. Most are able to obtain large, seemingly expensive quantities of drugs through a few routes:
1. Legitimate Income
2. Private posing sessions (and no I'm not saying gay sex. Interpret it how you want but EVERY bodybuilder has done this...from dorian to ronnie to bottom of the barrel pros and it pays a ton. Heres an example: A friend of mine was competing nationally in the 90s. He was approached backstage by a middle aged man who asked if he'd like to pose for him and a few of his friends at a party at his house. They agreed not to do anything sexual but they were allowed to touch him as he flexed. It was for 4-5 men, all of whom were supposedly doctors, lawyers or investment bankers who paid $5,000 each.)
3. Stealing (either stealing the drugs themselves, or having a connection with someone who works as a drug rep, or works in hospitals with AIDS patients or burn victims, etc)
4. Selling drugs
5. Sponorships with drug distributors
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I don't know how Dorian got a hold of his drugs but I can answer this question based on the reality of most bodybuilders. Most are able to obtain large, seemingly expensive quantities of drugs through a few routes:
1. Legitimate Income
2. Private posing sessions (and no I'm not saying gay sex. Interpret it how you want but EVERY bodybuilder has done this...from dorian to ronnie to bottom of the barrel pros and it pays a ton. Heres an example: A friend of mine was competing nationally in the 90s. He was approached backstage by a middle aged man who asked if he'd like to pose for him and a few of his friends at a party at his house. They agreed not to do anything sexual but they were allowed to touch him as he flexed. It was for 4-5 men, all of whom were supposedly doctors, lawyers or investment bankers who paid $5,000 each.)
3. Stealing (either stealing the drugs themselves, or having a connection with someone who works as a drug rep, or works in hospitals with AIDS patients or burn victims, etc)
4. Selling drugs
5. Sponorships with drug distributors
Re: Miguel Neil
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Absolute fucking horseshit. I know Leroy personally and he never talks to anyone about Dorian's drug use. I doubt he would even know exactly himself.
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Absolute fucking horseshit. I know Leroy personally and he never talks to anyone about Dorian's drug use. I doubt he would even know exactly himself.
If you are being truthful about your association with Leroy, then mean no respect by posting this. As I said, I have very little connection to Dorian. I spoke to a friend of mine who knew Leroy decades ago. What he told me was based solely on memory from their interaction a long time ago, to my understanding.
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Best way to figure out what someone actually used, in this case Dorian is simple....take what Dorian says and what all the friend of a friend stories and meet those 2 extremes in the middle for the true answer
Example: 750mg test vs 3 grams, middle would be approx 1.2-1.5 grams
almost like the rule of 3 when sex numbers are brought up, divide 1 side by 2 the other multiply by 2 for the real answer
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Pro's use big big doses
when this dude called Danny Pavlovich (who owns/distrbutes Muscletech in perth, australia) 1st brought Cutler out to perth 1999, the Body performance gear staff were having with dinner with Cutler and cutler told Pavlovich of his drug regimen
according to the staff, Pavolovich's jaw literally dropped- he was shocked
and Pavlovich was a local BB who was known for not shying away from large dosing/shotgunning himself
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Pro's use big big doses
when this dude called Danny Pavlovich (who owns/distrbutes Muscletech in perth, australia) 1st brought Cutler out to perth 1999, the Body performance gear staff were having with dinner with Cutler and cutler told Pavlovich of his drug regimen
according to the staff, Pavolovich's jaw literally dropped- he was shocked
and Pavlovich was a local BB who was known for not shying away from large dosing/shotgunning himself
Not surprising.
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Best way to figure out what someone actually used, in this case Dorian is simple....take what Dorian says and what all the friend of a friend stories and meet those 2 extremes in the middle for the true answer
Example: 750mg test vs 3 grams, middle would be approx 1.2-1.5 grams
almost like the rule of 3 when sex numbers are brought up, divide 1 side by 2 the other multiply by 2 for the real answer
ah no, how about taking what the friend of a friend says and add 50% more cause let's face even your best friend gets a water down version of what you are taking.
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if you don't achieve that physique naturally you're just not training hard enough. yeah that's how hard he trained.
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really?
al beckles
bertil fox
charles clairmonte
reg park
flex lewis
Really:
Beckles was born in Barbados
Bertil Fox was in St. Kitts (also known more formally as Saint Christopher Island (Saint-Christophe in French) is an island in the West Indies.
Charles Clairmonte was born in Barbados
Reg and Flex was born in UK, so they are from British gene pool. That mean you can point out three native UK bodybuilders from past 100 years. Is that a lot?
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thats spurious though
is haney a natural american?
how about coleman?
the vast majority of US success is from a foreign gene pool in BB.
ok you can have bob paris................
but if we have
yates
park
lewis
we haven't done that bad really
considering how much a minority sport BB is in the UK and how we only have a total population of about 20% of the US.
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if you don't achieve that physique naturally you're just not training hard enough. yeah that's how hard he trained.
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Dorian's genetics in terms of size and the ability to put on muscle were not better then any of the mass monsters from Nasser to Dillet but one thing he had above the rest and it was sheer luck that someone like him would have this characteristic, as I do not see it having anything to do with race is the ability to not hold subcutaneous water under the skin.
Even in off-season he was bone dry, it was simply his genetics, of course the drugs enhanced this but give any one else the same thing and they still would not be as "granite-like" as Yates, unbelievable in person, his skin was transparent and you really would have had to have seen this in person with your own eyes to know how much of a difference this made.
The only one else who came close to this skin texture Yates had was Pavol Jablonicky, again even with Pavol you would have had to seen him in real life to know how dry he really was.
Now as far as race and genetics for bodybuilding, it is real hard to tell. Blacks win hands down in upper body, bone structure and shape, Germans and sourounding areas win for sheer mass. Really though, a freak can come out of anywhere anytime. Are British bodybuilders good?, yes, I think they are up there as well.
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Absolute fucking horseshit. I know Leroy personally and he never talks to anyone about Dorian's drug use. I doubt he would even know exactly himself.
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I highly doubt Leroy Davis would talk to anyone about this even if he knew, which he probably doesn't... at least not to such a high degree. BFG is full of it... "a friend of mine talked to Leroy years ago, that's the best he remembered" ::)
Bollocks.
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As far as the Dorian cycles the only one who knows for sure is Dorian not a friend of a friend!hell Dorian Used so much juice I bet he forgets what he used down to the T!It was alot though!
Like I said most amateurs and pros are not only using alot of HGH/steroids they are also selling them along with recreation drugs! A guy like Dorian had alot of sponsors and he probably had alot of sources give him free gear in return dorian would send customers his way. He probably had to pay for the HGH but I bet he got alot of those steroids for free or paid very little for them. setroids are not that expensive on bulk. However I have heard Dorian used alot of halotestin wich is a very expensive oral drug. Dorian was a big enough name to where he could pull off paying for the drugs and also being sponsored by various dealers in return for customers.
Nowadays all amateur bodybuilders sell steroids and HGH. if they do not sell HGH/AAS they are involved with the gay 4 pay scene. some do both! I do believe alot of amateur bodybuilders and Pro bodybuilders are involved with the sale of HGH/steroids/rec drugs. There is no other logical answer of hoe they can afford the amount of HGH needed to be successful. I think the top pros have enough money to afford their drug bill and also have gear sponsors that give them gear in return for sending customers their way. Alot of pro's and amateurs are AAS/HGH/Rec dealers No doubt about it! Then some do gay 4 pay and sell AAS/HGH and recs. these guys will do anything to make money so they do not have to work and can focus on their training everyday. Lots of bodybuilders have been caught up in drug ring investigations! think about it would you rather sell AAS/HGH and Recs are do gay 4 Pay? I rather sell the drugs!
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::)
wanna fight? IRL
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Dorian's genetics in terms of size and the ability to put on muscle were not better then any of the mass monsters from Nasser to Dillet but one thing he had above the rest and it was sheer luck that someone like him would have this characteristic, as I do not see it having anything to do with race is the ability to not hold subcutaneous water under the skin.
Even in off-season he was bone dry, it was simply his genetics, of course the drugs enhanced this but give any one else the same thing and they still would not be as "granite-like" as Yates, unbelievable in person, his skin was transparent and you really would have had to have seen this in person with your own eyes to know how much of a difference this made.
The only one else who came close to this skin texture Yates had was Pavol Jablonicky, again even with Pavol you would have had to seen him in real life to know how dry he really was.
Now as far as race and genetics for bodybuilding, it is real hard to tell. Blacks win hands down in upper body, bone structure and shape, Germans and sourounding areas win for sheer mass. Really though, a freak can come out of anywhere anytime. Are British bodybuilders good?, yes, I think they are up there as well.
good post,,read..
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Dorian's genetics in terms of size and the ability to put on muscle were not better then any of the mass monsters from Nasser to Dillet but one thing he had above the rest and it was sheer luck that someone like him would have this characteristic, as I do not see it having anything to do with race is the ability to not hold subcutaneous water under the skin.
Even in off-season he was bone dry, it was simply his genetics, of course the drugs enhanced this but give any one else the same thing and they still would not be as "granite-like" as Yates, unbelievable in person, his skin was transparent and you really would have had to have seen this in person with your own eyes to know how much of a difference this made.
The only one else who came close to this skin texture Yates had was Pavol Jablonicky, again even with Pavol you would have had to seen him in real life to know how dry he really was.
Now as far as race and genetics for bodybuilding, it is real hard to tell. Blacks win hands down in upper body, bone structure and shape, Germans and sourounding areas win for sheer mass. Really though, a freak can come out of anywhere anytime. Are British bodybuilders good?, yes, I think they are up there as well.
That's the german genetics. Dorian always had the condition. Munzer was up there too.
Dorian said in an interview a few years ago he has very thin skin and would bleed easily.
I have very thick skin but i have noticed as a get older the skin gets thinner and i do bleed easier but that's a long time training.
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Dorian's genetics in terms of size and the ability to put on muscle were not better then any of the mass monsters from Nasser to Dillet but one thing he had above the rest and it was sheer luck that someone like him would have this characteristic, as I do not see it having anything to do with race is the ability to not hold subcutaneous water under the skin.
Even in off-season he was bone dry, it was simply his genetics, of course the drugs enhanced this but give any one else the same thing and they still would not be as "granite-like" as Yates, unbelievable in person, his skin was transparent and you really would have had to have seen this in person with your own eyes to know how much of a difference this made.
The only one else who came close to this skin texture Yates had was Pavol Jablonicky, again even with Pavol you would have had to seen him in real life to know how dry he really was.
Now as far as race and genetics for bodybuilding, it is real hard to tell. Blacks win hands down in upper body, bone structure and shape, Germans and sourounding areas win for sheer mass. Really though, a freak can come out of anywhere anytime. Are British bodybuilders good?, yes, I think they are up there as well.
YUp. explains it very well, I've always thought that. he's just a naturally hard, dry person.
And I have seen other people like him in the gym.....obviously not built like him,but they are always really pale white guys. it's a 'type' of person. just like Shawn Rhoden and Flex Wheeler were cut from the same genetic cloth
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people conveniently forget that Dorian started consuming an extra serving of porridge for breakfast in the early 90s which resulted in tremendous gains in overall mass.
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people conveniently forget that Dorian started consuming an extra serving of porridge for breakfast in the early 90s which resulted in tremendous gains in overall mass.
maybe he snuck in some sweet potatoes here and there, as well?
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maybe he snuck in some sweet potatoes here and there, as well?
you best keep this information to yourself, lessen you want to see a mass monster epidemic.
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Some of you guys are ridiculous if you don't think Dorian was taking grams upon grams of everything and anything. He was probably messing with shit we don't even know about. The guy had the competitive drive just like Arnold. His body could handle the drugs very well. He was prob on 5-10 grams of shit a week a ton of hgh and slin. Why wouldn't he be? He wanted to be the best in the world. When you get to that level you will risk it all.
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If you are being truthful about your association with Leroy, then mean no respect by posting this. As I said, I have very little connection to Dorian. I spoke to a friend of mine who knew Leroy decades ago. What he told me was based solely on memory from their interaction a long time ago, to my understanding.
I used to train with Leroy on a regular basis a few years ago when I was still at Temple Gym.
I don't know what Leroy knows about Dorian's drug use and I never asked him - it was a topic of conversation that we never discussed and I knew better than to ask. I just took advantage of the experience in training with him and I learned a lot about how to train properly.
I'm pretty sure if someone would have asked Leroy about Dorian's use they would have been laughed out the room. Only Dorian himself really knows the full extent.
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exactly nobody knows except for dorian. I heard he did experiemtent with designer drugs and was one of the first to use dnp in the UK. Bottom line he was a pin cushion and a walking pharmacy but the exact cycle(who knows) Dorian might of even forgot! he probably just shot as much juice and popped as many pills as he could. I am sure it was more structured but bottom line the guy was a walking pharmacy! This is why he had joint trouble and ripped that bicep! it was drug abuse! his tendons could not handle the amount of muscle and weight he was handling.steroid use was def responsible for dorians injurys
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pure bulshit! not true,NEVER!
Actually this sounds quite legit to me.
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I used to train with Leroy on a regular basis a few years ago when I was still at Temple Gym.
I don't know what Leroy knows about Dorian's drug use and I never asked him - it was a topic of conversation that we never discussed and I knew better than to ask. I just took advantage of the experience in training with him and I learned a lot about how to train properly.
I'm pretty sure if someone would have asked Leroy about Dorian's use they would have been laughed out the room. Only Dorian himself really knows the full extent.
Why not ask? Surely you must have been curious?
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considering how much a minority sport BB is in the UK and how we only have a total population of about 20% of the US.
and considering the UK is only allowed one pro bodybuilder a year by the IFBB and the USA is allowed god knows how many.
You guys give out pro cards like toffees, even 70 year olds get a card, fuckin lol.
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and considering the UK is only allowed one pro bodybuilder a year by the IFBB and the USA is allowed god knows how many.
You guys give out pro cards like toffees, even 70 year olds get a card, fuckin lol.
Ya but although they give so many pro cards, even the weakest ones usually are competitive in the pro ranks.
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EVERY 2-3 HOURS???????
IDK find it funny how there are 50 guys in this thread "walking pin cushion all drugs" when there are losers on EVERY board including this one that wont compete who would probably pin gh in their fucking eyeballs if it would put a few more pounds of muscle on.
I dont look at Dorian any differently if he took 2 grams of week or 12 grams a week ...he was the best in the world at what he did and he did it from scratch.... no guru or any of that shit.
if you liked his physique or not ...hey i thought he looked like shit but each to their own. But I could care less what he took in his prime cause he was the man
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I used to train with Leroy on a regular basis a few years ago when I was still at Temple Gym.
I don't know what Leroy knows about Dorian's drug use and I never asked him - it was a topic of conversation that we never discussed and I knew better than to ask. I just took advantage of the experience in training with him and I learned a lot about how to train properly.
I'm pretty sure if someone would have asked Leroy about Dorian's use they would have been laughed out the room. Only Dorian himself really knows the full extent.
haha you sound like a nancy boy.
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Some of you guys are ridiculous if you don't think Dorian was taking grams upon grams of everything and anything. He was probably messing with shit we don't even know about. The guy had the competitive drive just like Arnold. His body could handle the drugs very well. He was prob on 5-10 grams of shit a week a ton of hgh and slin. Why wouldn't he be? He wanted to be the best in the world. When you get to that level you will risk it all.
there is no "shit we dont even know about". they all use the same shit.
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Dorian's genetics in terms of size and the ability to put on muscle were not better then any of the mass monsters from Nasser to Dillet but one thing he had above the rest and it was sheer luck that someone like him would have this characteristic, as I do not see it having anything to do with race is the ability to not hold subcutaneous water under the skin.
Even in off-season he was bone dry, it was simply his genetics, of course the drugs enhanced this but give any one else the same thing and they still would not be as "granite-like" as Yates, unbelievable in person, his skin was transparent and you really would have had to have seen this in person with your own eyes to know how much of a difference this made.
The only one else who came close to this skin texture Yates had was Pavol Jablonicky, again even with Pavol you would have had to seen him in real life to know how dry he really was.
Now as far as race and genetics for bodybuilding, it is real hard to tell. Blacks win hands down in upper body, bone structure and shape, Germans and sourounding areas win for sheer mass. Really though, a freak can come out of anywhere anytime. Are British bodybuilders good?, yes, I think they are up there as well.
eh, what? no he wasn't... he was puffy and smooth as fuck. he got hard when it counted, but aside from that, he was a blowfish.
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there is no "shit we dont even know about". they all use the same shit.
this x2
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exactly nobody knows except for dorian. I heard he did experiemtent with designer drugs and was one of the first to use dnp in the UK. Bottom line he was a pin cushion and a walking pharmacy but the exact cycle(who knows) Dorian might of even forgot! he probably just shot as much juice and popped as many pills as he could. I am sure it was more structured but bottom line the guy was a walking pharmacy! This is why he had joint trouble and ripped that bicep! it was drug abuse! his tendons could not handle the amount of muscle and weight he was handling.steroid use was def responsible for dorians injurys
i thought you were an 'ok dude', but now after reading your possts in this thread, you really sound like the 16yr old kids who used to run this board in the 90's (remember principal skinner?... daveP).... just repeat dumbbass rumors that are f'n retarded.
i seriously doubt you've ever cracked an amp in your life. after gh15 was accusing you of being a junkie, now i believe him.
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I dont look at Dorian any differently if he took 2 grams of week or 12 grams a week ...he was the best in the world at what he did and he did it from scratch.... no guru or any of that shit.
if you liked his physique or not ...hey i thought he looked like shit but each to their own. But I could care less what he took in his prime cause he was the man
Hey, not a bad post. He took what he needed to win, as everyone else was trying to do. Pro BB's are all drugs, who fucking cares how much who took? It's not the Mr. Injecting the Least Amount of Shit contest.
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i thought you were an 'ok dude', but now after reading your possts in this thread, you really sound like the 16yr old kids who used to run this board in the 90's (remember principal skinner?... daveP).... just repeat dumbbass rumors that are f'n retarded.
i seriously doubt you've ever cracked an amp in your life. after gh15 was accusing you of being a junkie, now i believe him.
I don't think so...double check before you make such claims, WW is a good man.
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i thought you were an 'ok dude', but now after reading your possts in this thread, you really sound like the 16yr old kids who used to run this board in the 90's (remember principal skinner?... daveP).... just repeat dumbbass rumors that are f'n retarded.
i seriously doubt you've ever cracked an amp in your life. after gh15 was accusing you of being a junkie, now i believe him.
Hi Gh15! I have never believed any rumor about what any pro BB took unless it came from their mouth! I don't know what sounds unreasonable about my post?But please step up and correct me! there are alot of speculations about what Dorian used but the only person who nows exactly what he used is Dorian himself and i doubt he leaked his cycles to very many people.and yes he was one of the first in the U to use dNP and he did use designer compounds. dorian was a pin cushion! describe what is wrong about this post?
go ahead smart ass post his cycle-LOL. you can't because nobody except dorian and very few others new exactly what he was using to the T. stupid thread altogether! All these amps and I have not cracked one-LOL. The one thing I hate is speculation on somebodys cycle! Unless it comes from dorians mouth it is just speculation! and this is a dumb post to you? lik I said post his cycle up then smartass!
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That is a very nice picture!!!
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i thought you were an 'ok dude', but now after reading your possts in this thread, you really sound like the 16yr old kids who used to run this board in the 90's (remember principal skinner?... daveP).... just repeat dumbbass rumors that are f'n retarded.
i seriously doubt you've ever cracked an amp in your life. after gh15 was accusing you of being a junkie, now i believe him.
junkies have cash like this lying around?
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Thats another beautiful picture!!
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junkies have cash like this lying around? damn you have no clue what a junkie is! a junkie is somebody who holds up a sign on a busy highway off-ramp with a sign saying god bless you and thn go buy some methadone with the 10$ they made! I am far from a junkie buddy! Do i get legally prescribed medication? Yes! never denied that! You would too if you had degenerative disc disease!
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I wonder how much I could make if I held a sigh up by the fwy exit all day?
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Thats another beautiful picture!!
Thanks I am not trying to show-off but I don't deserve people who do not know me calling me a junkie! Junkies look for shit to steal and hit up the oawn shops everyday or the scrap metal yard! I have never done either. If somone has a physical painful condition and gets prescribed medication that does not make them a junkie and also claiming other bullshit is just wrong! I make a very realistic post and Gh15 trys to act like a no it all like always. If he knows what dorian used post it up! My point is nobody should speculate on what dorian cycled!
Now if Dorian Yates came on getbig and listed his cycle that would be diffrent! I might not even believe dorian as pros lie! Some pros want to act like they did not have to use very much gear when you know they were pin cushions! And I believe it is true the abuse of steroids can make someone more prone to tearing a muscle or tendon.
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I wonder how much I could make if I held a sigh up by the fwy exit all day?
I read an article about it in my local newspaper here is Portland. we have a huge homeless population due to the unemployment problem here and also the influx in cheap heroin. and sadly some of these bums make as much as 50$-100$ a day just holding a sign up for hours, if they are in a busy spot. But the article also said there were bum turf wars going on over the hot spots-lol.
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eh, what? no he wasn't... he was puffy and smooth as fuck. he got hard when it counted, but aside from that, he was a blowfish.
Like fuck he was, I saw him at 280 and was still grainy as fuck, way grainy so what the fuck you talking about EH....
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280 was not his off season weight
310 was
and he was bloated to fuck
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Like fuck he was, I saw him at 280 and was still grainy as fuck, way grainy so what the fuck you talking about EH....
280 ain't offseason.
305+ he was puffy as hell.
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In his time says it all. Haney vs Dorian 91: Haney wins by a small margin, Dorian winning the muscularity round. ´92 Dorian looks pretty much the same, a bit sharper. And how do you explain Dorian ´93 then? The metamorphosis is probably due to a change in diet, right?
In fairness -- and by all accounts -- Dorian typically overdieted like a guy to get shredded. He did it in '91. He cooled it a bit but still overdieted in '92. And IMO, he still overdieted in '93. Chris Lund and what's-his-face ... that British writer/editor chap ... err ... ah! Peter McGough! Pete and Chris both saw Dozzer before the '93 Olympia, and I'm not just talking about the black-and-white photos. Both men agreed that Dorian was shredded and dry at about 265ish (?) and depleted too much to compete at 257.
That's not to say Dorian didn't up the dose or anything, but anyone who has megadosed knows it reaches a point of diminishing returns, especially without gH.
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In fairness -- and by all accounts -- Dorian typically overdieted like a guy to get shredded. He did it in '91. He cooled it a bit but still overdieted in '92. And IMO, he still overdieted in '93. Chris Lund and what's-his-face ... that British writer/editor chap ... err ... ah! Peter McGough! Pete and Chris both saw Dozzer before the '93 Olympia, and I'm not just talking about the black-and-white photos. Both men agreed that Dorian was shredded and dry at about 265ish (?) and depleted too much to compete at 257.
That's not to say Dorian didn't up the dose or anything, but anyone who has megadosed knows it reaches a point of diminishing returns, especially without gH.
SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT,,,,96 GRAN PRIX LOOKED INSANE,,,
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Widow is a baller.
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junkies have cash like this lying around?
What 'normal' person has that kind of scratch just sitting around?
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Hi Gh15! I have never believed any rumor about what any pro BB took unless it came from their mouth! I don't know what sounds unreasonable about my post?But please step up and correct me! there are alot of speculations about what Dorian used but the only person who nows exactly what he used is Dorian himself and i doubt he leaked his cycles to very many people.and yes he was one of the first in the U to use dNP and he did use designer compounds. dorian was a pin cushion! describe what is wrong about this post?
go ahead smart ass post his cycle-LOL. you can't because nobody except dorian and very few others new exactly what he was using to the T. stupid thread altogether! All these amps and I have not cracked one-LOL. The one thing I hate is speculation on somebodys cycle! Unless it comes from dorians mouth it is just speculation! and this is a dumb post to you? lik I said post his cycle up then smartass!
what i'm saying is, the way you're talking about dorian's AAS use (or anybody else, or AAS use in general), you sound like a 16yr old kid who's head is filled with 3rd and 4th-hand "rumors"... "he was a pin cushion... his use was insane!.. he was the first to do this... he was the first to do that... he used xyz" ect...
what the fuck do i care what dorian (or anybody else for that matter) used? i can tell you 100% that there are hundreds, if not thousands of guys in the US alone who've use the same drugs in the same, if not higher, amounts (myself included, minus the gh) and will never get the same results.
same goes for "bgf" or whatever his name is for posting these "pro cycles".... it's all "Bodybuilder X" bullshit that you'd see in Ironman & MM2k in '96. the guys who know anything think it's a joke, and the only guys who 'believe' it are the ones who "don't get it.. yet".
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What 'normal' person has that kind of scratch just sitting around?
either a- black drug dealer "flossin" on the internet
or - a used car dealer "flossin" on the internet
or - a dumbass who uses google images
... hell, i can have my lawyer send me a few camera phone pics of $200k cash sitting on the floor of his office and pass it off as my own.
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280 ain't offseason.
305+ he was puffy as hell.
What's this?,... splitting hairs wtf, off- season means exactly that, when you are not competing and 25 lb away from contest day is still off-season, seen him at 284 lb and looked pretty dam grainy.
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what i'm saying is, the way you're talking about dorian's AAS use (or anybody else, or AAS use in general), you sound like a 16yr old kid who's head is filled with 3rd and 4th-hand "rumors"... "he was a pin cushion... his use was insane!.. he was the first to do this... he was the first to do that... he used xyz" ect...
what the fuck do i care what dorian (or anybody else for that matter) used? i can tell you 100% that there are hundreds, if not thousands of guys in the US alone who've use the same drugs in the same, if not higher, amounts (myself included, minus the gh) and will never get the same results.
same goes for "bgf" or whatever his name is for posting these "pro cycles".... it's all "Bodybuilder X" bullshit that you'd see in Ironman & MM2k in '96. the guys who know anything think it's a joke, and the only guys who 'believe' it are the ones who "don't get it.. yet".
Am I the one who started this thread? Am I posting amounts or compounds he used besides the halo and DNP wich is a dead give away?I am on your side brother! I do not give a shit what he used myself! you are right I could run the same shit and would not look the same! you are right about that. Like I have said before regarding bodybuilders like franco columbu it would not matter how much juice/Hgh I used there would be no way in hell I could ever match his strength! I think it is safe to say dorian was a pin cushion! I did not come on this thread and lay out dorians cycle so I have no clue what you are talking about!
I know he was always looking for the newest drug to hit the bodybuilding scene and there are always designer drugs made by chemist that will come out and be available to certain athletes to sample and I do believe dorian was looking for any edge. I know he was one bodybuilder from the UK to make DNP popular. It is a fact dorian did experiment with DNP before most UK bodybuilders. I do believe he was swallowing halotestin and other orals like candy. I also believe he did numerous shots a day. So do all Pro bodybuilders. I am not here to correct anybody on what dorian yates cycled. I am just saying he was a pin cushion! But what Top pro isn't?
Dorian also trained very hard! and you are correct no matter what he was taking nobody could just use the same stack and look like dorian looked! Dorian was one of a kind! Nobody can replicate somebody else's physique down to the T! I did not start this thread and I have never speculated on Dorians cycle! I made a clear post saying I hate seeing pro's cycles posted unless it is posted by that pro! the dorian yates cycles I have seen posted are all bullshit and not valid unless dorian comes on getbig and says Yes that was my stack! But that will never happen! However what I said about dorian being a pincushion is true! he was a pincushion! I see your point and agree! I have no right saying what dorian used because I do not know!
I do believe the amount of aas he used made him more susceptable to injurys especially with how hard he trained. AAS can fuck with your joints and tendons and make them weaker.especially with rapid muscle gain. sometimes joints and tendons cannot handle that much muscle in that fast of time wich leads to aching joints and tendons and muscle tears.
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junkies have cash like this lying around?
Do i see a 20 Euros bill in the bottom?
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Am I the one who started this thread? Am I posting amounts or compounds he used besides the halo and DNP wich is a dead give away?I am on your side brother! I do not give a shit what he used myself! you are right I could run the same shit and would not look the same! you are right about that. Like I have said before regarding bodybuilders like franco columbu it would not matter how much juice/Hgh I used there would be no way in hell I could ever match his strength! I think it is safe to say dorian was a pin cushion! I did not come on this thread and lay out dorians cycle so I have no clue what you are talking about!
I know he was always looking for the newest drug to hit the bodybuilding scene and there are always designer drugs made by chemist that will come out and be available to certain athletes to sample and I do believe dorian was looking for any edge. I know he was one bodybuilder from the UK to make DNP popular. It is a fact dorian did experiment with DNP before most UK bodybuilders. I do believe he was swallowing halotestin and other orals like candy. I also believe he did numerous shots a day. So do all Pro bodybuilders. I am not here to correct anybody on what dorian yates cycled. I am just saying he was a pin cushion! But what Top pro isn't?
Dorian also trained very hard! and you are correct no matter what he was taking nobody could just use the same stack and look like dorian looked! Dorian was one of a kind! Nobody can replicate somebody else's physique down to the T! I did not start this thread and I have never speculated on Dorians cycle! I made a clear post saying I hate seeing pro's cycles posted unless it is posted by that pro! the dorian yates cycles I have seen posted are all bullshit and not valid unless dorian comes on getbig and says Yes that was my stack! But that will never happen! However what I said about dorian being a pincushion is true! he was a pincushion! I see your point and agree! I have no right saying what dorian used because I do not know!
I do believe the amount of aas he used made him more susceptable to injurys especially with how hard he trained. AAS can fuck with your joints and tendons and make them weaker.especially with rapid muscle gain. sometimes joints and tendons cannot handle that much muscle in that fast of time wich leads to aching joints and tendons and muscle tears.
define pin cushion ::)
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either a- black drug dealer "flossin" on the internet
or - a used car dealer "flossin" on the internet
or - a dumbass who uses google images
... hell, i can have my lawyer send me a few camera phone pics of $200k cash sitting on the floor of his office and pass it off as my own.
I'm curious what handles did you used to post under back in the 90's
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either a- black drug dealer "flossin" on the internet
or - a used car dealer "flossin" on the internet
or - a dumbass who uses google images
... hell, i can have my lawyer send me a few camera phone pics of $200k cash sitting on the floor of his office and pass it off as my own.
except I can prove it is mine. look at the table in the 2 pictures. I also have pictures with my screenname by the same shoebox on the same table. It is not like it is a million bucks. But def no junkie would have cash like me.
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define pin cushion ::)
someone who at least does 40 shots of AAS/HGH/Slin a week. wich is pretty much every Ifbb pro
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Do i see a 20 Euros bill in the bottom?
No euro bills.
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I'm curious what handles did you used to post under back in the 90's
Me too! why would you change your handle?Hell if you posted since the 90's you would have 15,000 posts obviously a gimmick account or he got to drunk and forgot his password and had to start a new account or he scammed somebody in the steroid section to buy his booze and had to start a new account.
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Just because you are prescribed something doesn't mean you're not a junkie.
Let's see, Oxycontin, called 'Hillbilly Heroin', right? whitewidow said he was cut off his
supply and went to heroin for a while. So same thing basically. Xanax, potentially lethal detox,
almost impossible to kick once you're really addicted, same as the Oxycontin/Heroin.
whitewidow sort of took responsibility for the addiction in one of the PM's pellius posted, saying
it was he who asked for the prescription.
Being hooked on these 2 things is a nightmare I'm sure. Legit need or not, it's probably not much
fun being hopelessly addicted.
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Just because you are prescribed something doesn't mean you're not a junkie.
Let's see, Oxycontin, called 'Hillbilly Heroin', right? whitewidow said he was cut off his
supply and went to heroin for a while. So same thing basically. Xanax, potentially lethal detox,
almost impossible to kick once you're really addicted, same as the Oxycontin/Heroin.
whitewidow sort of took responsibility for the addiction in one of the PM's pellius posted, saying
it was he who asked for the prescription.
Being hooked on these 2 things is a nightmare I'm sure. Legit need or not, it's probably not much
fun being hopelessly addicted.
well you cannot just wake-up and stop taking oxycontin after taking it for 4 years,same with xanax. Both meds you would have to taper off of. My quality of life is better on the meds then off the meds. I have degnerative disc disease and a fracture in my spine from being hit by a drunk driver when I was driving one day. I don't take these meds for shits and giggles. I messed with some heroin when I was in thailand and on the east coast but it was super easy to kick because the oxycontin is actually stronger-IMO.
Hillbilly heroin is the 90's nickname for oxycontin! Now it is rish mans heroin. as a gram of oxycontin costs 600$ as a gram of mexican black tar sells for as low as
75$. a 80mg Oxycontin tab sells for 50$ on the average it would take 12.5 tbs to make a gram 12.50x 50$ a tab is over 600$ a gram. people pay for it because it is about 28% more pure then the best heroin in the whole usa.
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I'm curious what handles did you used to post under back in the 90's
I'm...
InsulinShock
MisterGrim
realitycheque
cannonballdelts
Mr.Vega (on VariX)
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