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Advertise for his guru job!
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Advertise for his guru job!
Yes, he is quite clever.
He is going the route that as a PT/Guru, you'll have to look the part, even if you haven't competed in years.
To some/many, it will instill more reliability that he knows what he is talking about, than if the Guru was skinnyfat or a blob
His clients believe in him.
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Yes, he is quite clever.
He is going the route that as a PT/Guru, you'll have to look the part, even if you haven't competed in years.
To some/many, it will instill more reliability that he knows what he is talking about, than if the Guru was skinnyfat or a blob
His clients believe in him.
It's too bad bodybuilders give so much of a shit what their coach looks like, because Chris Aceto seems to be one of the best/most knowledgeable in the biz, and he looks more like a math teacher than a bodybuilding anything.
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It's too bad bodybuilders give so much of a shit what their coach looks like, because Chris Aceto seems to be one of the best/most knowledgeable in the biz, and he looks more like a math teacher than a bodybuilding anything.
This is true.
I would have most confidence in having Big Ron Avidan as my prep-guru though, merely because he is The Guru of Gurus.
Chris Aceto is very knowledgeable, but i'd rather prefer Big Ron Avidan.
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This is true.
I would have most confidence in having Big Ron Avidan as my prep-guru though, merely because he is The Guru of Gurus.
Chris Aceto is very knowledgeable, but i'd rather prefer Big Ron Avidan.
no one understands the science of carbing up like Big Ron!
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It's too bad bodybuilders give so much of a shit what their coach looks like, because Chris Aceto seems to be one of the best/most knowledgeable in the biz, and he looks more like a math teacher than a bodybuilding anything.
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excellent
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personal trainers/ gurus are likely to make more money if they are in shape especially personal trainers. the best gurus are usually all brains and no muscle,not all but most. farrah looks great!
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It's too bad bodybuilders give so much of a shit what their coach looks like, because Chris Aceto seems to be one of the best/most knowledgeable in the biz, and he looks more like a math teacher than a bodybuilding anything.
Someone who tries his own protocols on himself will be better at producing results considering all else is equal. Of course Aceto knows his shit but he may know more or do a better job had he experimented with his own protocols on himself. Anyhow Farah has climbed to the top right now, no one is touching him, not Chad, not Hany, not Chris, ummmm wonder why?
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Everyone in that pic has completely fucked up hair.
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Someone who tries his own protocols on himself will be better at producing results considering all else is equal. Of course Aceto knows his shit but he may know more or do a better job had he experimented with his own protocols on himself. Anyhow Farah has climbed to the top right now, no one is touching him, not Chad, not Hany, not Chris, ummmm wonder why?
Chris is a former competitor
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Chris is a former competitor
Ya but he didn't use a lot of chemicals and that was a long time ago, it is a different game now and the protocols used today are dangerous but necessary and while Chris may know them well he has not experimented with them on himself the way Farah has.
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Everyone in that pic has completely fucked up hair.
LMFAO ;D
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Perfection! :o
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courtesy of Super Natural
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Thats an older pic
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Someone who tries his own protocols on himself will be better at producing results considering all else is equal. Of course Aceto knows his shit but he may know more or do a better job had he experimented with his own protocols on himself. Anyhow Farah has climbed to the top right now, no one is touching him, not Chad, not Hany, not Chris, ummmm wonder why?
Um, chris is working with Shawn Rhoden, who is number three in the world right now, dawg...
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Um, chris is working with Shawn Rhoden, who is number three in the world right now, dawg...
um, and Farah is working with Kai greene, who is number 2 in the world right now, dawg, ;D
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Damn!!! :o spread some butter on that tail...
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he spoke about only taking in 100 gram of protein a day in one of the md mags because of having one kidney? find that hard to believe looking like that...
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he spoke about only taking in 100 gram of protein a day in one of the md mags because of having one kidney? find that hard to believe looking like that...
What ???
Are you serious, you have to be a madman to do bodybuilding with only 1 kidney, that's suicide.
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Huge enough for tier 4? Yes. Tier 3? Maybe! :)
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um, and Farah is working with Kai greene, who is number 2 in the world right now, dawg, ;D
when farah start working with kai he was already in top 3 while chris brought shawn rhuden from nobody to top 3 in a year.shawn was not placed in 2011 olympia....dawg.....even farah would admitt in private that he learned thing or too from aceto.
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when farah start working with kai he was already in top 3 while chris brought shawn rhuden from nobody to top 3 in a year.shawn was not placed in 2011 olympia....dawg.....even farah would admitt in private that he learned thing or too from aceto.
aceto knows his shit no doubt but Farah brought 5 out of the top 10 at this years Olympia. As of late he has worked with numerous pro winners and everyone that goes to him improves ten fold, he is number 1 right now, hands down. Of course he has learned from Aceto, who hasn't, Aceto has been around for along time, but now it is a knew game with heavy gh and insulin protocols in the mix and Farah is second to non, even surpassing Milos.
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aceto knows his shit no doubt but Farah brought 5 out of the top 10 at this years Olympia. As of late he has worked with numerous pro winners and everyone that goes to him improves ten fold, he is number 1 right now, hands down. Of course he has learned from Aceto, who hasn't, Aceto has been around for along time, but now it is a knew game with heavy gh and insulin protocols in the mix and Farah is second to non, even surpassing Milos.
Don't you think guys are siding up with Farah because he's got a great source coming in from overseas with clean stuff that really delivers, for a good price?
I don't know how much it has to do with Farah knowing stuff about how to use GH/slin that guys like Chad or Hany or Aceto or Neal Spruce don't know. These guys all know the same drug protocols and how to use them. It's all about paying a guru that can hook you up with clean, dependable stuff...that's what I think.
You don't want to think you're taking drostanolone and then find out it's nandrolone. You want drostanolone, you want 100mg/cc like it says on the label, not maybe 75 or 125. Pros need dependable doses that deliver because it's all about drug timing the last few weeks before the show. That's the difference between first and 8th - that magic of fullness and dryness. They all diet hard enough to get there and have genetics to pull it off...it's all about getting the right stuff at the right doses when you think you should. Farah has a source that's hooking the guys up with dependable stuff (like Dennis James used to get for Milos). But when James dried up, Milos fell off the radar.
If you can't depend on your stuff (i.e. you think it might be test when it should be tren), then you have to come off all your stuff the week before the show to help you dry out, but that sacrifices fullness. But if you can switch two or three weeks out to masteron/winny/tren and know it's actually what the label says it is, then you can harden up, dry out and drop the estrogen to low levels so the water leaves. A bit of diazide, and you dry right out. No need to mess around with IV lasix, which can really flatten you out if you're not careful. But if you're water logged from too much test at show time, then you'll be mainlining lasix and hoping you hold your condition thru prejudging.
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Yes and No, there a few things that are hard to come across and need to be dosed properly and need to be 100% legit like Halo, Parabolan, Primobolan and a few others but all pros have access to legit everything test deca eq etc and insulin and gh are easy to get so I don;t think they need Farah for that primarily. The gear does not have to be human grade-everything to be trust worthy.
I mean the top guy will take human grade gh and everything but the lower guys that are not making a living off the sport get regular gear nothing special, from a trust worthy source. I have 2 iffb pro friends of mine that take generic gh, they can not afford human grade so they take generic, no biggy, still big as fuck, one of them goes through a kit every 4 days :-\
This game is very complicated nowadays. The top Olympians are taking 50+ cc of injectable AAS per week, then 5+ different types of orals. Gh in small increments throughout the day, and one big mega dose of gh daily on top of that. Then they time Insulin with every meal. Add Clen, t3, dnp,lasix and ancillaries and more yet. Not to mention the caffeine and ephedrine. Oh and don't forget the pain killers. Now this is where Farah comes in and puts it all together for you.
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Don't you think guys are siding up with Farah because he's got a great source coming in from overseas with clean stuff that really delivers, for a good price?
I don't know how much it has to do with Farah knowing stuff about how to use GH/slin that guys like Chad or Hany or Aceto or Neal Spruce don't know. These guys all know the same drug protocols and how to use them. It's all about paying a guru that can hook you up with clean, dependable stuff...that's what I think.
You don't want to think you're taking drostanolone and then find out it's nandrolone. You want drostanolone, you want 100mg/cc like it says on the label, not maybe 75 or 125. Pros need dependable doses that deliver because it's all about drug timing the last few weeks before the show. That's the difference between first and 8th - that magic of fullness and dryness. They all diet hard enough to get there and have genetics to pull it off...it's all about getting the right stuff at the right doses when you think you should. Farah has a source that's hooking the guys up with dependable stuff (like Dennis James used to get for Milos). But when James dried up, Milos fell off the radar.
If you can't depend on your stuff (i.e. you think it might be test when it should be tren), then you have to come off all your stuff the week before the show to help you dry out, but that sacrifices fullness. But if you can switch two or three weeks out to masteron/winny/tren and know it's actually what the label says it is, then you can harden up, dry out and drop the estrogen to low levels so the water leaves. A bit of diazide, and you dry right out. No need to mess around with IV lasix, which can really flatten you out if you're not careful. But if you're water logged from too much test at show time, then you'll be mainlining lasix and hoping you hold your condition thru prejudging.
I think Farrah has a good drug connect! but that is not the only factor! bodybuilders still have to diet and train.
This is why I miss SRCS(San Rafael Chemical Services) they used to test gear for cheap and give you a ral legit certificate of analysis! That is who llwellyn always used! Now it is harder to get gear tested. That is why I always have gone with one certain guys gear who had his gear tested by llwellyn and the products tested were right on the money and had zero contaminents and were made with very high grade raw materials. This source also had legit Testovirons and aquavirons! enough good gear and HGh to go pro.
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"connect", is that short for "connection" or is this actually the appropriate word "connect"?
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"connect", is that short for "connection" or is this actually the appropriate word "connect"?
nowadays you can say both.
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aceto knows his shit no doubt but Farah brought 5 out of the top 10 at this years Olympia. As of late he has worked with numerous pro winners and everyone that goes to him improves ten fold, he is number 1 right now, hands down. Of course he has learned from Aceto, who hasn't, Aceto has been around for along time, but now it is a knew game with heavy gh and insulin protocols in the mix and Farah is second to non, even surpassing Milos.
no point mentioning Milos here for me he is not in the top mix.Aceto is pioneer of contest prep gurus.athough i have lots of respect for farah but i feel awkward to compere Aceto with anyone.Farah took charge while Aceto was absent due to his health condition but now he is back.u will feel his presence in 2013 olympia in both open and 212lb.
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Don't you think guys are siding up with Farah because he's got a great source coming in from overseas with clean stuff that really delivers, for a good price?
I don't know how much it has to do with Farah knowing stuff about how to use GH/slin that guys like Chad or Hany or Aceto or Neal Spruce don't know. These guys all know the same drug protocols and how to use them. It's all about paying a guru that can hook you up with clean, dependable stuff...that's what I think.
You don't want to think you're taking drostanolone and then find out it's nandrolone. You want drostanolone, you want 100mg/cc like it says on the label, not maybe 75 or 125. Pros need dependable doses that deliver because it's all about drug timing the last few weeks before the show. That's the difference between first and 8th - that magic of fullness and dryness. They all diet hard enough to get there and have genetics to pull it off...it's all about getting the right stuff at the right doses when you think you should. Farah has a source that's hooking the guys up with dependable stuff (like Dennis James used to get for Milos). But when James dried up, Milos fell off the radar.
If you can't depend on your stuff (i.e. you think it might be test when it should be tren), then you have to come off all your stuff the week before the show to help you dry out, but that sacrifices fullness. But if you can switch two or three weeks out to masteron/winny/tren and know it's actually what the label says it is, then you can harden up, dry out and drop the estrogen to low levels so the water leaves. A bit of diazide, and you dry right out. No need to mess around with IV lasix, which can really flatten you out if you're not careful. But if you're water logged from too much test at show time, then you'll be mainlining lasix and hoping you hold your condition thru prejudging.
sir please dont mind but you have got it all wrong like most of young lads.last time i checked it was diet but you not going to buy it.i know trust me i know.
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no point mentioning Milos here for me he is not in the top mix.Aceto is pioneer of contest prep gurus.athough i have lots of respect for farah but i feel awkward to compere Aceto with anyone.Farah took charge while Aceto was absent due to his health condition but now he is back.u will feel his presence in 2013 olympia in both open and 212lb.
What are you talking about? Milos moved the entire game in a whole different direction (for the worst mind you) by bringing in insulin protocols, reason why bodybuilders are competing at 270lb + today. Aceto is a legend no daubt, we will see.
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sir please dont mind but you have got it all wrong like most of young lads.last time i checked it was diet but you not going to buy it.i know trust me i know.
Bro I actually thought I was having a discussion with someone who knows bodybuilding ( behind the scenes but what you just wrote is outrageous and amatuer hour) These gurus are not being thought out over macro nutrients, wake up, it's a chemical warfare out there, I had striated glutes my first local show, getting shredded is joke, it's getting shredded while being a mutant by being a walking pharmacy, combining chemicals in a synergistic way, don't be so naive
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Bro I actually thought I was having a discussion with someone who knows bodybuilding ( behind the scenes but what you just wrote is outrageous and amatuer hour) These gurus are not being thought out over macro nutrients, wake up, it's a chemical warfare out there, I had striated glutes my first local show, getting shredded is joke, it's getting shredded while being a mutant by being a walking pharmacy, combining chemicals in a synergistic way, don't be so naive
Exactly. It's not diet. If you compete, you know how to diet. You don't mind the pain too much...you just get used to it...even like it a bit somedays. Makes you feel in control of your body.
If you can't go thru the pain of dieting, you'll never win a level 1 show, let alone a national show. You have enjoy starving. If you don't, you'll need too many drugs, you'll burn out or get hurt, and drugs are great, but they never clean up a diet.
No one here is saying diet doesn't matter. Of course it does, but it's not the reason one pro wins and another loses. They can all suffer, and do it in their own way. Any successful amateur bodybuilder knows how to do this too.
Just like training. It's not the training that wins shows. Everyone can train in their own way and do well enough in the gym to build a good enough body. One training program isn't going to make someone win or lose. If you do your cardio and lift enough weights, you've done enough to win a show.
What separates a champion from not a champion...it all comes down to genetics, and drug timing/compounds.
Genetics: can your body handle all the stuff it needs to, for years on end, without falling apart, and actually respond better than the average person. Lots of guys can take boatloads of stuff and not get hurt, but still don't respond. Some guys take smaller doses, respond like crazy, but their livers and kidneys start failing. Other guys can respond with small doses and grow, then use more, and continue to respond like crazy, all while getting clean bills of health. It's like George Burns...smokes til he's 100, and defies logic. And of course, then you also have to have the genetic shape to be appealing on-stage. You could be a great responder, but if you look like hammered shit on stage because you don't flow, you're finished. You'll never pass level 2.
The magic is when you take a genetic freak who responds without geting hurt and is put together pleasingly, and then start him on a serious compound plan and watch him mutate. That's the magic of pro bb'ing.
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Exactly. It's not diet. If you compete, you know how to diet. You don't mind the pain too much...you just get used to it...even like it a bit somedays. Makes you feel in control of your body.
If you can't go thru the pain of dieting, you'll never win a level 1 show, let alone a national show. You have enjoy starving. If you don't, you'll need too many drugs, you'll burn out or get hurt, and drugs are great, but they never clean up a diet.
No one here is saying diet doesn't matter. Of course it does, but it's not the reason one pro wins and another loses. They can all suffer, and do it in their own way. Any successful amateur bodybuilder knows how to do this too.
Just like training. It's not the training that wins shows. Everyone can train in their own way and do well enough in the gym to build a good enough body. One training program isn't going to make someone win or lose. If you do your cardio and lift enough weights, you've done enough to win a show.
What separates a champion from not a champion...it all comes down to genetics, and drug timing/compounds.
Genetics: can your body handle all the stuff it needs to, for years on end, without falling apart, and actually respond better than the average person. Lots of guys can take boatloads of stuff and not get hurt, but still don't respond. Some guys take smaller doses, respond like crazy, but their livers and kidneys start failing. Other guys can respond with small doses and grow, then use more, and continue to respond like crazy, all while getting clean bills of health. It's like George Burns...smokes til he's 100, and defies logic. And of course, then you also have to have the genetic shape to be appealing on-stage. You could be a great responder, but if you look like hammered shit on stage because you don't flow, you're finished. You'll never pass level 2.
The magic is when you take a genetic freak who responds without geting hurt and is put together pleasingly, and then start him on a serious compound plan and watch him mutate. That's the magic of pro bb'ing.
Excellent post.^^^
Dieting is extremely hard mentally and physically but as far as instructions go, it ain't rocket science. You want striated glutes?... eat talipia fish and chicken breast all day long and no carbs, wolla sub 4% bodyfat in 12 weeks for anyone, OK maybe not everyone if you have a 50 inch waist it might take 16 weeks but you get the point.
seriously lol at anyone that thinks these "gurus" get hired to help them lose bodyfat at that level, they have only been shredded 50 times before. lol.
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Excellent post.^^^
Dieting is extremely hard mentally and physically but as far as instructions go, it ain't rocket science. You want striated glutes?... eat talipia fish and chicken breast all day long and no carbs, wolla sub 4% bodyfat in 12 weeks for anyone, OK maybe not everyone if you have a 50 inch waist it might take 16 weeks but you get the point.
seriously lol at anyone that thinks these "gurus" get hired to help them lose bodyfat at that level, they have only been shredded 50 times before. lol.
I agree I dont think dieting is the hard part.
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sir please dont mind but you have got it all wrong like most of young lads.last time i checked it was diet but you not going to buy it.i know trust me i know.
Loser, how old are 10yrs old. Don't ruin a solid thread with legit info in it.
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What are you talking about? Milos moved the entire game in a whole different direction (for the worst mind you) by bringing in insulin protocols, reason why bodybuilders are competing at 270lb + today. Aceto is a legend no daubt, we will see.
look at who milos used to train. kris dim, luke wood, Dennis james,Mustafa Muhammed. all of them are history. some dead and one in a wheelchair! I think some of his training makes sense. I don;t know if i agree with his drug regimens though. diet is one thing that bodybuilders can over-complicate. eat alot of clean protein like herring fillets, salmon,Tuna, chicken breasts, Turkey breats, small protions of Ribeye. herring fillets are the most anabolic food you can eat, you get more natural creatine from herring fillets then from any other food source.
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Loser, how old are 10yrs old. Don't ruin a solid thread with legit info in it.
I think he forgot this is GETBIG ;D
honestly his post reminded me of Gustavo Badell,... "100% natural, hard work, that's all, 100% natural".
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Loser, how old are 10yrs old. Don't ruin a solid thread with legit info in it.
probably a "tbombz" gimmick, lol
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look at who milos used to train. kris dim, luke wood, Dennis james,Mustafa Muhammed. all of them are history. some dead and one in a wheelchair! I think some of his training makes sense. I don;t know if i agree with his drug regimens though. diet is one thing that bodybuilders can over-complicate. eat alot of clean protein like herring fillets, salmon,Tuna, chicken breasts, Turkey breats, small protions of Ribeye. herring fillets are the most anabolic food you can eat, you get more natural creatine from herring fillets then from any other food source.
Milos was fucken crazy at the beginning and yes people paid the price, including himself but eventually he was the safest one to go to cause he learned so much in regards to insulin.
See juice and even gh can be separated from dieting, there doesn't have to be a connection but with insulin, the protocols are dietary related and that's where people can fuck themselves up. I actually wish insulin wasn't part of bodybuilding but unfortunately it is.
And yes you are right some bodybuilders complicate their diet but seriously it's abc's. My approuch is the simplest most effective and fastest way to get lean period and I can give it to anyone in 4 words. Unlimited protein, no carbs, done, contest shredded. It is that simple.
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Genes and response is the number 1 there was a year when flex wheeler entered the mr olympia natural,(light doses are considered natural by pros) and he got a respectable placing so if you dont have the genes and response you wont make it.
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Genes and response is the number 1 there was a year when flex wheeler entered the mr olympia natural,(cutting everything in half is considered natural for most pros) and he got a respectable placing so if you dont have the genes and response you wont make it.
Fixed^^^ ;)
It was 2002, Jay sat out, Levrone came second, Wheeler came in 7th, but Gunter stole the show.
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Bro I actually thought I was having a discussion with someone who knows bodybuilding ( behind the scenes but what you just wrote is outrageous and amatuer hour) These gurus are not being thought out over macro nutrients, wake up, it's a chemical warfare out there, I had striated glutes my first local show, getting shredded is joke, it's getting shredded while being a mutant by being a walking pharmacy, combining chemicals in a synergistic way, don't be so naive
thanks for reminding me i am on getbig.who ever talk about diet here will get all the heat.diet is easy and simple to follow to get to 7% body fat level below that level without losing muscle mass is not so simple mate no matter how much advance and legitimate chemicals you have access to.thats the point where you need guru even if you are in top 5 Mr olympia.u think kai green higher farah to get good source of steroids.i am sure kai knows lot more gear suppliers than farah.
Milos never could bring any of his guy even close to thier previous best not to mention health problem he and his guys have after he done with them.talking and and writing is different thing but actually knowing how to get the job done in the end is some thing beyond any book knowledge.
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thanks for reminding me i am on getbig.who ever talk about diet here will get all the heat.diet is easy and simple to follow to get to 7% body fat level below that level without losing muscle mass is not so simple mate no matter how much advance and legitimate chemicals you have access to.thats the point where you need guru even if you are in top 5 Mr olympia.u think kai green higher farah to get good source of steroids.i am sure kai knows lot more gear suppliers than farah.
Milos never could bring any of his guy even close to thier previous best not to mention health problem he and his guys have after he done with them.talking and and writing is different thing but actually knowing how to get the job done in the end is some thing beyond any book knowledge.
What are you talking about? needed a Guru for olympia? thats why Dennis wolf curses Gurus. why dorain never had one, and i am pretty sure neither did Levrone. Nobody hires a Guru to tell them how to eat, come on, you have a guy bodybuilding for 20 years and he needs a guru to tell him when to eat the sweet potato? come on.......
and on AAS+HGH+SLIN+PEPTIDES you will NOT loose muscle unless your starving yourself.
Gurus do one thing: get you legit hormones. All high lever bodybuilders know how to train and eat...
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Don't you think guys are siding up with Farah because he's got a great source coming in from overseas with clean stuff that really delivers, for a good price?
I don't know how much it has to do with Farah knowing stuff about how to use GH/slin that guys like Chad or Hany or Aceto or Neal Spruce don't know. These guys all know the same drug protocols and how to use them. It's all about paying a guru that can hook you up with clean, dependable stuff...that's what I think.
You don't want to think you're taking drostanolone and then find out it's nandrolone. You want drostanolone, you want 100mg/cc like it says on the label, not maybe 75 or 125. Pros need dependable doses that deliver because it's all about drug timing the last few weeks before the show. That's the difference between first and 8th - that magic of fullness and dryness. They all diet hard enough to get there and have genetics to pull it off...it's all about getting the right stuff at the right doses when you think you should. Farah has a source that's hooking the guys up with dependable stuff (like Dennis James used to get for Milos). But when James dried up, Milos fell off the radar.
If you can't depend on your stuff (i.e. you think it might be test when it should be tren), then you have to come off all your stuff the week before the show to help you dry out, but that sacrifices fullness. But if you can switch two or three weeks out to masteron/winny/tren and know it's actually what the label says it is, then you can harden up, dry out and drop the estrogen to low levels so the water leaves. A bit of diazide, and you dry right out. No need to mess around with IV lasix, which can really flatten you out if you're not careful. But if you're water logged from too much test at show time, then you'll be mainlining lasix and hoping you hold your condition thru prejudging.
Spot on.
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What are you talking about? needed a Guru for olympia? thats why Dennis wolf curses Gurus. why dorain never had one, and i am pretty sure neither did Levrone. Nobody hires a Guru to tell them how to eat, come on, you have a guy bodybuilding for 20 years and he needs a guru to tell him when to eat the sweet potato? come on.......
and on AAS+HGH+SLIN+PEPTIDES you will NOT loose muscle unless your starving yourself.
Gurus do one thing: get you legit hormones. All high lever bodybuilders know how to train and eat...
Shawn Ray to my knowledge always did his own contest prep.
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thanks for reminding me i am on getbig.who ever talk about diet here will get all the heat.diet is easy and simple to follow to get to 7% body fat level below that level without losing muscle mass is not so simple mate no matter how much advance and legitimate chemicals you have access to.thats the point where you need guru even if you are in top 5 Mr olympia.u think kai green higher farah to get good source of steroids.i am sure kai knows lot more gear suppliers than farah.
Milos never could bring any of his guy even close to thier previous best not to mention health problem he and his guys have after he done with them.talking and and writing is different thing but actually knowing how to get the job done in the end is some thing beyond any book knowledge.
Getting sub 7% is easy to eat for. Like Onetimehard said...eat lots of protein, cut out the carbs, keep fats mid to almost non-existant if you have more fat to lose, and you'll get there. It's inevitable. If you can't, you don't have the genetics for bodybuilding and chances are you would have never made it past level 1 to need a guru anyways.
The guys who get to the national level never had any trouble getting ripped on their own. They just suffer...it's easy.
And like someone else said...if you're running all kinds of good stuff, there's no way you lose any appreciable muscle unless you really, really fuck up and go hyperkalemic. Now, mix in DNP and slin and you'll need help or you can flatten out real quick. That's where gurus help, especially if you've never done it before and need to take that next step. And some guys like gurus the first time they start messing around with multiple diuretics and trying to time the fat load the day before the show. Basically, most pros don't want to die, but they know they need to take stuff that can kill you inside of a day (diuretics, slin, DNP), and they use gurus to help them with that. But getting sub 7%...that's pretty easy (you hurt and suffer, but just eat less and do more cardio and you can do it). Getting sub 4% only happens if you have genetics for it anyways...very few can get there even with drugs and gurus, etc...unless you bring yourself near death. That's where it gets dangerous, and most hire the guru as an insurance policy to keep you on track with not over/under doing the deadlier stuff.
I could tell you some funny stories of what guys do the night before a show with a bottle of diazide and aldactone and some slow-K. Not funny as in "haha", but funny as in "slap your forehead you're going to die" funny.
But if you can't get to the national level running standard juice at 2-3grams per week and some GH, you probably shouldn't try turning pro anyways. You can't cut it.
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Getting sub 7% is easy to eat for. Like Onetimehard said...eat lots of protein, cut out the carbs, keep fats mid to almost non-existant if you have more fat to lose, and you'll get there. It's inevitable. If you can't, you don't have the genetics for bodybuilding and chances are you would have never made it past level 1 to need a guru anyways.
The guys who get to the national level never had any trouble getting ripped on their own. They just suffer...it's easy.
And like someone else said...if you're running all kinds of good stuff, there's no way you lose any appreciable muscle unless you really, really fuck up and go hyperkalemic. Now, mix in DNP and slin and you'll need help or you can flatten out real quick. That's where gurus help, especially if you've never done it before and need to take that next step. And some guys like gurus the first time they start messing around with multiple diuretics and trying to time the fat load the day before the show. Basically, most pros don't want to die, but they know they need to take stuff that can kill you inside of a day (diuretics, slin, DNP), and they use gurus to help them with that. But getting sub 7%...that's pretty easy (you hurt and suffer, but just eat less and do more cardio and you can do it). Getting sub 4% only happens if you have genetics for it anyways...very few can get there even with drugs and gurus, etc...unless you bring yourself near death. That's where it gets dangerous, and most hire the guru as an insurance policy to keep you on track with not over/under doing the deadlier stuff.
I could tell you some funny stories of what guys do the night before a show with a bottle of diazide and aldactone and some slow-K. Not funny as in "haha", but funny as in "slap your forehead you're going to die" funny.
But if you can't get to the national level running standard juice at 2-3grams per week and some GH, you probably shouldn't try turning pro anyways. You can't cut it.
i know guys taking more gear than pro,s at national level and all the gh slin dnp you talking about and still comes in flat on stage with lower than 4% bf level cuz they over carbed or used too much diuretics.as a pro you need to be more than 100% for judging and evening show.you slip a little you get crucified.
t3 and exact amount of cardio is more than enough to get sub 7 or 4%.any one could be sub 4% genetic or no genetic if given enough time to get ready for the show.its easy to get sub 4% if you dont blow up 3 stone over your contest weight and competes 2 or 3 time a year.
if some one need to use DNP to get shredded he is not good enough to turn pro.you can use all the legitimate gear in the world and if you doing cardio more than you need or bring your carbs too low for too many days u will lose muscle so fast it will spin your head.
you need a 3rd eye to tell you where to draw the line for cardio and carbs.pro bodybuilders getting help for contest prep are not idiots they know what is best for them.every guy who work with farah or Aceto bring his best package on stage not due to legitimate source of gear but the knowledge of perfect dieting and timing and amount of diuretics for final count down.
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Mega PED 365
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i dont think muscle go lost just because of low carbs, esp not on the doses these guys take.
coming in flat and losing muscle isnt the same thing.
exactly, coming in flat does not mean losing muscle
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thanks for reminding me i am on getbig.who ever talk about diet here will get all the heat.diet is easy and simple to follow to get to 7% body fat level below that level without losing muscle mass is not so simple mate no matter how much advance and legitimate chemicals you have access to.thats the point where you need guru even if you are in top 5 Mr olympia.u think kai green higher farah to get good source of steroids.i am sure kai knows lot more gear suppliers than farah.
Milos never could bring any of his guy even close to thier previous best not to mention health problem he and his guys have after he done with them.talking and and writing is different thing but actually knowing how to get the job done in the end is some thing beyond any book knowledge.
I never said that was his primary reason, obviously Kai can get everything himself, it is about protocols on chemicals and tying it all in not hiring someone for macro nutrients to get below 7%. all these guys where below 7% at their first show, every single one of them
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Milos was fucken crazy at the beginning and yes people paid the price, including himself but eventually he was the safest one to go to cause he learned so much in regards to insulin.
See juice and even gh can be separated from dieting, there doesn't have to be a connection but with insulin, the protocols are dietary related and that's where people can fuck themselves up. I actually wish insulin wasn't part of bodybuilding but unfortunately it is.
And yes you are right some bodybuilders complicate their diet but seriously it's abc's. My approuch is the simplest most effective and fastest way to get lean period and I can give it to anyone in 4 words. Unlimited protein, no carbs, done, contest shredded. It is that simple.
I agree! I usually eat 2 grams of protein a pound and eat very low carbs and fats and people accuse me of my diet and the 2 grams of protein per pound all bro-science but it works for me. I know cuttler used to push that high carb diet and alot of people started following that bullshit and called high protein diets and getting 2 grams per each pound you weigh just bro-science. I guess everybodyys body is diffrent but I am a heavy believer in very high protein say 400grams a day and low carb/fat diets.
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isnt it a bit crazy he still bodybuilds with one kidney?
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isnt it a bit crazy he still bodybuilds with one kidney?
who?
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who?
farah
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Perfection! :o
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hipolito is it true that polumbo dreams about farah and is all consumed of envy for having no top pro clients
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when pros are pushing high carb diets, then they are playing around with insulin, if someone tries that without insulin he s gonna look like shit.
I don't know if insulin makes you not look like shit on high carbs. It's not like it helps keep you dryer and reduces the chance of gaining fat/makes you lose fat despite "high" carbs. Insulin does not make it easier to get in shape... you have to do more cardio, use more burners, eat less calories overall.
I remember when "blockhead" used to say pros would get fat if they didn't use insulin with "high carb" intakes. Makes zero sense to me.
Insulin or not, if someone is eating a relatively high protein diet, which all pros do pretty much, the diet will naturally be low-moderate carbs, especially close to the show.
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aceto knows his shit no doubt but Farah brought 5 out of the top 10 at this years Olympia. As of late he has worked with numerous pro winners and everyone that goes to him improves ten fold, he is number 1 right now, hands down. Of course he has learned from Aceto, who hasn't, Aceto has been around for along time, but now it is a knew game with heavy gh and insulin protocols in the mix and Farah is second to non, even surpassing Milos.
Who improved a lot with Farah in your opinion?
His guys seem to come in pretty tight. I don't know if anyone actually put on any muscle? From what I've heard he likes moderate, steady intake of drugs, instead of blasts or loads or whatever.
Some of the dosages I've heard are ridiculously low by getbig standards but if someone is bloated piece of shit this approach may help them get in shape finally. But on the other hand you may not transform into a freakier bb either. This is just what I've heard so if someone has personal experience please post.
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i know a pro who knows bit about insulin, ill ask him next time i see him in the gym.
I don't think anyone will say insulin allows you to be able to get away with more carbs, except in the sense that it will allow higher carbs intakes without going diabetic and fucking up your kidneys etc.
Insulin leads to smoother physiques. Milos/his clients could get away with it by doing crazy twice daily marathon workouts, doing twice daily cardio, keeping carbs minimal outside the insulin window, doing all the fat burners and so on.
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victor richards seemed like a slin monster
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Isn't it the massive amounts of HGH these guys are taking that allows them to get away with Cutler like carb intake of 1000 grams pre contest?
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Is Farrah still a cop?
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Isn't it the massive amounts of HGH these guys are taking that allows them to get away with Cutler like carb intake of 1000 grams pre contest?
Nah, no one eats 1K carbs precontest. Not even with near-lethal doses of DNP. And if they did attempt that they would feel near death constantly. :D
Is Farrah still a cop?
LOL what kind of POS lies about being a cop? :D
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im not sure they actualy eat that much carbs other than carb ups.
I remember when Flex Wheeler said his precontest diet was 8000 calories. Yeah sure buddy. :D
No one eats 1K carbs daily precontest. Maybe one day a week, but then you have to compensate by eating trace carbs the rest of the week.
How many carbs are in Farah's "high carb" diets, say on average for a heavyweight? Maybe 300 grams? Sure it's high when compared to a 250g protein intake but it's no 1 kilo carb diet, and the higher carbs are compensated for by a lower protein intake (thus lowering total calories).
This is just from hazy memory, anyone have an example Farah diet for a pro?
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Here's a Farah article I found. It's certainly high calories for 200lb guy IMO. Protein does go up real high at the end as carbs go down. Even if very gifted I don't know of any competitor who could get away with quite this much with so little cardio. Many would say DNP! But from what I've seen on the net I haven't seen any competitor actually say they used DNP with Farah. Anyone?
Creating A Pro
Im going to take an example of a 200-pound guy who is planning to compete in a bodybuilding contest, or just wants to look good for the beach. How will we work on his diet and training?
First, his daily caloric need will be based on his metabolism: fast, medium or slow. If he has a fast metabolism, then I multiply his weight by 20; medium metabolism, multiply it by 15 and slow metabolism, multiply it by 12. Suppose this guy has a fast metabolism. His daily caloric needs will be 200 x 20 = 4,000 calories/day.
Diet will be followed six days per week, with one cheat day. The composition of his diet will be roughly high carbohydrate, moderate protein and low fat: about 50/30/20 percent, respectively. The breakdown will be 500 grams of carbs, 300 grams of protein and about 89 grams of fat.
I will start him on a training schedule of five days per week, with legs on Monday, chest/abs on Tuesday, back on Wednesday, shoulders on Thursday and arms/calves on Friday, and off on the weekend. He will begin by doing some moderate cardio first thing in the morning, on an empty stomach, for about 20 minutes, three days per week. Cardio could be riding a stationary bike, walking on a treadmill or using an elliptical machine, keeping target heart rate around 65-70 percent.
Pre-Contest Game Plan
With the contest date approaching, things will start to change counting weeks backward from the show, as follows:
16 to12 Weeks Out:
Diet and training as outlined above.
12 to 10 Weeks Out:
Start dropping carbs by 50-75 grams (200-300 calories), and add protein by 12-18 grams (25 percent of the total amount of carbs dropped). For our guy, we will drop 50 grams of carbs (total carbs = 450 grams) and add 12 grams of protein (total protein = 412 grams).
Keep cardio at three days/week for 20 minutes.
10 to 8 Weeks Out:
Continue dropping 50 grams of carbs (total down to 400 grams) and add 12 grams of protein (total up to 450 grams).
Add an extra day of cardio and extra five minutes: 25 minutes 4 days/week.
Eliminate cheat day, dieting seven days/week (you may want to consider eliminating cheat day earlier, by 12-10 weeks if your fat percentage is high).
8 to 6 Weeks Out:
Continue dropping 50 grams of carbs (total down to 350 grams) and add 12 grams of protein (total up to 462 grams).
Keep adding an extra day of cardio and an extra five minutes: 30 minutes, five days/week.
6 to 4 Weeks Out:
Continue dropping 50 grams of carbs (total down to 300 grams) and add 12 grams of protein (total up to 475 grams).
Keep adding an extra day of cardio and an extra five minutes: 35 minutes, six days/week.
4 to 2 Weeks Out:
Continue dropping 50 grams of carbs (total down to 250 grams) and add 12 grams of protein (total up to 487 grams).
Keep adding an extra day of cardio and extra five minutes: 35 minutes, seven days/week.
2 Weeks Out:
Continue same diet
Stop all cardio
8 Days Out:
The contest is on Saturday, so carb-depleting starts the Sunday prior to the show. Drop the carbohydrate in half until about four days before the contest. So my guy will be eating 125 grams of carbs.
4 Days Out:
Start adding the carbs back on the Wednesday prior to the contest. Add back all the carbs you took off: 500 grams of carbs for my guy.
On Thursday, add 50 percent more, on top of the carbs you had on Wednesday: 500 + 200 = 700 grams of carbs.
On Friday, you need to start watching your condition and be careful with any spillage. If you start to spill, back off the carbs and if you think youre still flat, you need to go up on the carbs.
These are just the general principles of my formula; there are so many other adjustments that go with it depending on the progress/condition of the bodybuilder.
Good luck with your show!!
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You do not need to go zero carb to get shredded. Aceto and farah both have their clients eating low-fat, moderate (depends on the individual)carb and high protein diets. Yes, taking out carbs is a sure-fire way to get ripped, but if you can diet with carbs you will have a much better look at the end of the diet......with, or without insulin.
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Here's a Farah article I found. It's certainly high calories for 200lb guy IMO. Protein does go up real high at the end as carbs go down. Even if very gifted I don't know of any competitor who could get away with quite this much with so little cardio. Many would say DNP! But from what I've seen on the net I haven't seen any competitor actually say they used DNP with Farah. Anyone?
His lbs *20, *15 or *12 are indeed (too) high. But these are just startup numbers, he drops calories quickly. After a month those 4000 starting kcals may be down to 3000 etc.
There's obviously no way a 200 lber would get contest ripped on 4000 kcals, even with DNP.
Lbs *20 is what many use as the max for bulking.
Edit: only read the top paragraph with the starting numbers
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His lbs *20, *15 or *12 are indeed (too) high. But these are just startup numbers, he drops calories quickly. After a month those 4000 starting kcals may be down to 3000 etc.
There's obviously no way a 200 lber would get contest ripped on 4000 kcals, even with DNP.
Lbs *20 is what many use as the max for bulking.
That being said, it's a completely normal diet. And much better than what other diet "guru's" with their low or even no carbs let their clients do.
Edit: only read the top paragraph with the starting numbers
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