farrah is fucking huge, why is this? is/was he a pro that kept all the size?

[snx]

aceto knows his shit no doubt but Farah brought 5 out of the top 10 at this years Olympia. As of late he has worked with numerous pro winners and everyone that goes to him improves ten fold, he is number 1 right now, hands down. Of course he has learned from Aceto, who hasn't, Aceto has been around for along time, but now it is a knew game with heavy gh and insulin protocols in the mix and Farah is second to non, even surpassing Milos.

Don't you think guys are siding up with Farah because he's got a great source coming in from overseas with clean stuff that really delivers, for a good price?

I don't know how much it has to do with Farah knowing stuff about how to use GH/slin that guys like Chad or Hany or Aceto or Neal Spruce don't know. These guys all know the same drug protocols and how to use them. It's all about paying a guru that can hook you up with clean, dependable stuff...that's what I think.

You don't want to think you're taking drostanolone and then find out it's nandrolone. You want drostanolone, you want 100mg/cc like it says on the label, not maybe 75 or 125. Pros need dependable doses that deliver because it's all about drug timing the last few weeks before the show. That's the difference between first and 8th - that magic of fullness and dryness. They all diet hard enough to get there and have genetics to pull it off...it's all about getting the right stuff at the right doses when you think you should. Farah has a source that's hooking the guys up with dependable stuff (like Dennis James used to get for Milos). But when James dried up, Milos fell off the radar.

If you can't depend on your stuff (i.e. you think it might be test when it should be tren), then you have to come off all your stuff the week before the show to help you dry out, but that sacrifices fullness. But if you can switch two or three weeks out to masteron/winny/tren and know it's actually what the label says it is, then you can harden up, dry out and drop the estrogen to low levels so the water leaves. A bit of diazide, and you dry right out. No need to mess around with IV lasix, which can really flatten you out if you're not careful. But if you're water logged from too much test at show time, then you'll be mainlining lasix and hoping you hold your condition thru prejudging.

[OTHstrong]

Yes and No, there a few things that are hard to come across and need to be dosed properly and need to be 100% legit like Halo, Parabolan, Primobolan and a few others but all pros have access to legit everything test deca eq etc and insulin and gh are easy to get so I don;t think they need Farah for that primarily. The gear does not have to be human grade-everything to be trust worthy.

I mean the top guy will take human grade gh and everything but the lower guys that are not making a living off the sport get regular gear nothing special, from a trust worthy source. I have 2 iffb pro friends of mine that take generic gh, they can not afford human grade so they take generic, no biggy, still big as fuck, one of them goes through a kit every 4 days

This game is very complicated nowadays. The top Olympians are taking 50+ cc of injectable AAS per week, then 5+ different types of orals. Gh in small increments throughout the day, and one big mega dose of gh daily on top of that. Then they time Insulin with every meal. Add Clen, t3, dnp,lasix and ancillaries and more yet. Not to mention the caffeine and ephedrine. Oh and don't forget the pain killers. Now this is where Farah comes in and puts it all together for you.

[whitewidow]

Don't you think guys are siding up with Farah because he's got a great source coming in from overseas with clean stuff that really delivers, for a good price?

I don't know how much it has to do with Farah knowing stuff about how to use GH/slin that guys like Chad or Hany or Aceto or Neal Spruce don't know. These guys all know the same drug protocols and how to use them. It's all about paying a guru that can hook you up with clean, dependable stuff...that's what I think.

You don't want to think you're taking drostanolone and then find out it's nandrolone. You want drostanolone, you want 100mg/cc like it says on the label, not maybe 75 or 125. Pros need dependable doses that deliver because it's all about drug timing the last few weeks before the show. That's the difference between first and 8th - that magic of fullness and dryness. They all diet hard enough to get there and have genetics to pull it off...it's all about getting the right stuff at the right doses when you think you should. Farah has a source that's hooking the guys up with dependable stuff (like Dennis James used to get for Milos). But when James dried up, Milos fell off the radar.

If you can't depend on your stuff (i.e. you think it might be test when it should be tren), then you have to come off all your stuff the week before the show to help you dry out, but that sacrifices fullness. But if you can switch two or three weeks out to masteron/winny/tren and know it's actually what the label says it is, then you can harden up, dry out and drop the estrogen to low levels so the water leaves. A bit of diazide, and you dry right out. No need to mess around with IV lasix, which can really flatten you out if you're not careful. But if you're water logged from too much test at show time, then you'll be mainlining lasix and hoping you hold your condition thru prejudging.

I think Farrah has a good drug connect! but that is not the only factor! bodybuilders still have to diet and train.
This is why I miss SRCS(San Rafael Chemical Services) they used to test gear for cheap and give you a ral legit certificate of analysis! That is who llwellyn always used! Now it is harder to get gear tested. That is why I always have gone with one certain guys gear who had his gear tested by llwellyn and the products tested were right on the money and had zero contaminents and were made with very high grade raw materials. This source also had legit Testovirons and aquavirons! enough good gear and HGh to go pro.

[anabolichalo]

"connect", is that short for "connection" or is this actually the appropriate word "connect"?

[OTHstrong]

"connect", is that short for "connection" or is this actually the appropriate word "connect"?

nowadays you can say both.

[Rajkapoor]

aceto knows his shit no doubt but Farah brought 5 out of the top 10 at this years Olympia. As of late he has worked with numerous pro winners and everyone that goes to him improves ten fold, he is number 1 right now, hands down. Of course he has learned from Aceto, who hasn't, Aceto has been around for along time, but now it is a knew game with heavy gh and insulin protocols in the mix and Farah is second to non, even surpassing Milos.

no point mentioning Milos here for me he is not in the top mix.Aceto is pioneer of contest prep gurus.athough i have lots of respect for farah but i feel awkward to compere Aceto with anyone.Farah took charge while Aceto was absent due to his health condition but now he is back.u will feel his presence in 2013 olympia in both open and 212lb.

[Rajkapoor]

Don't you think guys are siding up with Farah because he's got a great source coming in from overseas with clean stuff that really delivers, for a good price?

I don't know how much it has to do with Farah knowing stuff about how to use GH/slin that guys like Chad or Hany or Aceto or Neal Spruce don't know. These guys all know the same drug protocols and how to use them. It's all about paying a guru that can hook you up with clean, dependable stuff...that's what I think.

You don't want to think you're taking drostanolone and then find out it's nandrolone. You want drostanolone, you want 100mg/cc like it says on the label, not maybe 75 or 125. Pros need dependable doses that deliver because it's all about drug timing the last few weeks before the show. That's the difference between first and 8th - that magic of fullness and dryness. They all diet hard enough to get there and have genetics to pull it off...it's all about getting the right stuff at the right doses when you think you should. Farah has a source that's hooking the guys up with dependable stuff (like Dennis James used to get for Milos). But when James dried up, Milos fell off the radar.

If you can't depend on your stuff (i.e. you think it might be test when it should be tren), then you have to come off all your stuff the week before the show to help you dry out, but that sacrifices fullness. But if you can switch two or three weeks out to masteron/winny/tren and know it's actually what the label says it is, then you can harden up, dry out and drop the estrogen to low levels so the water leaves. A bit of diazide, and you dry right out. No need to mess around with IV lasix, which can really flatten you out if you're not careful. But if you're water logged from too much test at show time, then you'll be mainlining lasix and hoping you hold your condition thru prejudging.

sir please dont mind but you have got it all wrong like most of young lads.last time i checked it was diet but you not going to buy it.i know trust me i know.

[OTHstrong]

no point mentioning Milos here for me he is not in the top mix.Aceto is pioneer of contest prep gurus.athough i have lots of respect for farah but i feel awkward to compere Aceto with anyone.Farah took charge while Aceto was absent due to his health condition but now he is back.u will feel his presence in 2013 olympia in both open and 212lb.

What are you talking about? Milos moved the entire game in a whole different direction (for the worst mind you) by bringing in insulin protocols, reason why bodybuilders are competing at 270lb + today. Aceto is a legend no daubt, we will see.

[OTHstrong]

sir please dont mind but you have got it all wrong like most of young lads.last time i checked it was diet but you not going to buy it.i know trust me i know.

Bro I actually thought I was having a discussion with someone who knows bodybuilding ( behind the scenes but what you just wrote is outrageous and amatuer hour) These gurus are not being thought out over macro nutrients, wake up, it's a chemical warfare out there, I had striated glutes my first local show, getting shredded is joke, it's getting shredded while being a mutant by being a walking pharmacy, combining chemicals in a synergistic way, don't be so naive

[snx]

Bro I actually thought I was having a discussion with someone who knows bodybuilding ( behind the scenes but what you just wrote is outrageous and amatuer hour) These gurus are not being thought out over macro nutrients, wake up, it's a chemical warfare out there, I had striated glutes my first local show, getting shredded is joke, it's getting shredded while being a mutant by being a walking pharmacy, combining chemicals in a synergistic way, don't be so naive

Exactly. It's not diet. If you compete, you know how to diet. You don't mind the pain too much...you just get used to it...even like it a bit somedays. Makes you feel in control of your body.

If you can't go thru the pain of dieting, you'll never win a level 1 show, let alone a national show. You have enjoy starving. If you don't, you'll need too many drugs, you'll burn out or get hurt, and drugs are great, but they never clean up a diet.

No one here is saying diet doesn't matter. Of course it does, but it's not the reason one pro wins and another loses. They can all suffer, and do it in their own way. Any successful amateur bodybuilder knows how to do this too.

Just like training. It's not the training that wins shows. Everyone can train in their own way and do well enough in the gym to build a good enough body. One training program isn't going to make someone win or lose. If you do your cardio and lift enough weights, you've done enough to win a show.

What separates a champion from not a champion...it all comes down to genetics, and drug timing/compounds.

Genetics: can your body handle all the stuff it needs to, for years on end, without falling apart, and actually respond better than the average person. Lots of guys can take boatloads of stuff and not get hurt, but still don't respond. Some guys take smaller doses, respond like crazy, but their livers and kidneys start failing. Other guys can respond with small doses and grow, then use more, and continue to respond like crazy, all while getting clean bills of health. It's like George Burns...smokes til he's 100, and defies logic. And of course, then you also have to have the genetic shape to be appealing on-stage. You could be a great responder, but if you look like hammered shit on stage because you don't flow, you're finished. You'll never pass level 2.

The magic is when you take a genetic freak who responds without geting hurt and is put together pleasingly, and then start him on a serious compound plan and watch him mutate. That's the magic of pro bb'ing.

[OTHstrong]

Exactly. It's not diet. If you compete, you know how to diet. You don't mind the pain too much...you just get used to it...even like it a bit somedays. Makes you feel in control of your body.

If you can't go thru the pain of dieting, you'll never win a level 1 show, let alone a national show. You have enjoy starving. If you don't, you'll need too many drugs, you'll burn out or get hurt, and drugs are great, but they never clean up a diet.

No one here is saying diet doesn't matter. Of course it does, but it's not the reason one pro wins and another loses. They can all suffer, and do it in their own way. Any successful amateur bodybuilder knows how to do this too.

Just like training. It's not the training that wins shows. Everyone can train in their own way and do well enough in the gym to build a good enough body. One training program isn't going to make someone win or lose. If you do your cardio and lift enough weights, you've done enough to win a show.

What separates a champion from not a champion...it all comes down to genetics, and drug timing/compounds.

Genetics: can your body handle all the stuff it needs to, for years on end, without falling apart, and actually respond better than the average person. Lots of guys can take boatloads of stuff and not get hurt, but still don't respond. Some guys take smaller doses, respond like crazy, but their livers and kidneys start failing. Other guys can respond with small doses and grow, then use more, and continue to respond like crazy, all while getting clean bills of health. It's like George Burns...smokes til he's 100, and defies logic. And of course, then you also have to have the genetic shape to be appealing on-stage. You could be a great responder, but if you look like hammered shit on stage because you don't flow, you're finished. You'll never pass level 2.

The magic is when you take a genetic freak who responds without geting hurt and is put together pleasingly, and then start him on a serious compound plan and watch him mutate. That's the magic of pro bb'ing.

Excellent post.^^^

Dieting is extremely hard mentally and physically but as far as instructions go, it ain't rocket science. You want striated glutes?... eat talipia fish and chicken breast all day long and no carbs, wolla sub 4% bodyfat in 12 weeks for anyone, OK maybe not everyone if you have a 50 inch waist it might take 16 weeks but you get the point.

seriously lol at anyone that thinks these "gurus" get hired to help them lose bodyfat at that level, they have only been shredded 50 times before. lol.

[whitewidow]

Excellent post.^^^

Dieting is extremely hard mentally and physically but as far as instructions go, it ain't rocket science. You want striated glutes?... eat talipia fish and chicken breast all day long and no carbs, wolla sub 4% bodyfat in 12 weeks for anyone, OK maybe not everyone if you have a 50 inch waist it might take 16 weeks but you get the point.

seriously lol at anyone that thinks these "gurus" get hired to help them lose bodyfat at that level, they have only been shredded 50 times before. lol.

I agree I dont think dieting is the hard part.

[Big N]

sir please dont mind but you have got it all wrong like most of young lads.last time i checked it was diet but you not going to buy it.i know trust me i know.

Loser, how old are 10yrs old. Don't ruin a solid thread with legit info in it.

[whitewidow]

What are you talking about? Milos moved the entire game in a whole different direction (for the worst mind you) by bringing in insulin protocols, reason why bodybuilders are competing at 270lb + today. Aceto is a legend no daubt, we will see.

look at who milos used to train. kris dim, luke wood, Dennis james,Mustafa Muhammed. all of them are history. some dead and one in a wheelchair! I think some of his training makes sense. I don;t know if i agree with his drug regimens though. diet is one thing that bodybuilders can over-complicate. eat alot of clean protein like herring fillets, salmon,Tuna, chicken breasts, Turkey breats, small protions of Ribeye. herring fillets are the most anabolic food you can eat, you get more natural creatine from herring fillets then from any other food source.

[OTHstrong]

Loser, how old are 10yrs old. Don't ruin a solid thread with legit info in it.

I think he forgot this is GETBIG  

honestly his post reminded me of Gustavo Badell,... "100% natural, hard work, that's all, 100% natural".

[Benny B]

Loser, how old are 10yrs old. Don't ruin a solid thread with legit info in it.

probably a "tbombz" gimmick, lol

[OTHstrong]

look at who milos used to train. kris dim, luke wood, Dennis james,Mustafa Muhammed. all of them are history. some dead and one in a wheelchair! I think some of his training makes sense. I don;t know if i agree with his drug regimens though. diet is one thing that bodybuilders can over-complicate. eat alot of clean protein like herring fillets, salmon,Tuna, chicken breasts, Turkey breats, small protions of Ribeye. herring fillets are the most anabolic food you can eat, you get more natural creatine from herring fillets then from any other food source.

Milos was fucken crazy at the beginning and yes people paid the price, including himself but eventually he was the safest one to go to cause he learned so much in regards to insulin.

See juice and even gh can be separated from dieting, there doesn't have to be a connection but with insulin, the protocols are dietary related and that's where people can fuck themselves up. I actually wish insulin wasn't part of bodybuilding but unfortunately it is.

 And yes you are right some bodybuilders complicate their diet but seriously it's abc's. My approuch is the simplest most effective and fastest way to get lean period and I can give it to anyone in 4 words. Unlimited protein, no carbs, done, contest shredded. It is that simple.

[the trainer]

Genes and response is the number 1 there was a year when flex wheeler entered the mr olympia natural,(light doses are considered natural by pros) and he got a respectable placing so if you dont have the genes and response you wont make it.

[OTHstrong]

Genes and response is the number 1 there was a year when flex wheeler entered the mr olympia natural,(cutting everything in half is considered natural for most pros) and he got a respectable placing so if you dont have the genes and response you wont make it.

Fixed^^^ 

It was 2002, Jay sat out, Levrone came second, Wheeler came in 7th, but Gunter stole the show.

[Rajkapoor]

Bro I actually thought I was having a discussion with someone who knows bodybuilding ( behind the scenes but what you just wrote is outrageous and amatuer hour) These gurus are not being thought out over macro nutrients, wake up, it's a chemical warfare out there, I had striated glutes my first local show, getting shredded is joke, it's getting shredded while being a mutant by being a walking pharmacy, combining chemicals in a synergistic way, don't be so naive

thanks for reminding me i am on getbig.who ever talk about diet here will get all the heat.diet is easy and simple to follow to get to 7% body fat level below that level without losing muscle mass is not so simple mate no matter how much advance and legitimate chemicals you have access to.thats the point where you need guru even if you are in top 5 Mr olympia.u think kai green higher farah to get good source of steroids.i am sure kai knows lot more gear suppliers than farah.
Milos never could bring any of his guy even close to thier previous best not to mention health problem he and his guys have after he done with them.talking and and writing is different thing but actually knowing how to get the job done in the end is some thing beyond any book knowledge.

[TrueBB93]

thanks for reminding me i am on getbig.who ever talk about diet here will get all the heat.diet is easy and simple to follow to get to 7% body fat level below that level without losing muscle mass is not so simple mate no matter how much advance and legitimate chemicals you have access to.thats the point where you need guru even if you are in top 5 Mr olympia.u think kai green higher farah to get good source of steroids.i am sure kai knows lot more gear suppliers than farah.
Milos never could bring any of his guy even close to thier previous best not to mention health problem he and his guys have after he done with them.talking and and writing is different thing but actually knowing how to get the job done in the end is some thing beyond any book knowledge.

What are you talking about? needed a Guru for olympia? thats why Dennis wolf curses Gurus. why dorain never had one, and i am pretty sure neither did Levrone. Nobody hires a Guru to tell them how to eat, come on, you have a guy bodybuilding for 20 years and he needs a guru to tell him when to eat the sweet potato? come on.......

and on AAS+HGH+SLIN+PEPTIDES you will NOT loose muscle unless your starving yourself.

Gurus do one thing: get you legit hormones. All high lever bodybuilders know how to train and eat...

[TrueBB93]

Don't you think guys are siding up with Farah because he's got a great source coming in from overseas with clean stuff that really delivers, for a good price?

I don't know how much it has to do with Farah knowing stuff about how to use GH/slin that guys like Chad or Hany or Aceto or Neal Spruce don't know. These guys all know the same drug protocols and how to use them. It's all about paying a guru that can hook you up with clean, dependable stuff...that's what I think.
You don't want to think you're taking drostanolone and then find out it's nandrolone. You want drostanolone, you want 100mg/cc like it says on the label, not maybe 75 or 125. Pros need dependable doses that deliver because it's all about drug timing the last few weeks before the show. That's the difference between first and 8th - that magic of fullness and dryness. They all diet hard enough to get there and have genetics to pull it off...it's all about getting the right stuff at the right doses when you think you should. Farah has a source that's hooking the guys up with dependable stuff (like Dennis James used to get for Milos). But when James dried up, Milos fell off the radar.

If you can't depend on your stuff (i.e. you think it might be test when it should be tren), then you have to come off all your stuff the week before the show to help you dry out, but that sacrifices fullness. But if you can switch two or three weeks out to masteron/winny/tren and know it's actually what the label says it is, then you can harden up, dry out and drop the estrogen to low levels so the water leaves. A bit of diazide, and you dry right out. No need to mess around with IV lasix, which can really flatten you out if you're not careful. But if you're water logged from too much test at show time, then you'll be mainlining lasix and hoping you hold your condition thru prejudging.

Spot on.

[Benny B]

What are you talking about? needed a Guru for olympia? thats why Dennis wolf curses Gurus. why dorain never had one, and i am pretty sure neither did Levrone. Nobody hires a Guru to tell them how to eat, come on, you have a guy bodybuilding for 20 years and he needs a guru to tell him when to eat the sweet potato? come on.......

and on AAS+HGH+SLIN+PEPTIDES you will NOT loose muscle unless your starving yourself.

Gurus do one thing: get you legit hormones. All high lever bodybuilders know how to train and eat...

Shawn Ray to my knowledge always did his own contest prep.

[snx]

thanks for reminding me i am on getbig.who ever talk about diet here will get all the heat.diet is easy and simple to follow to get to 7% body fat level below that level without losing muscle mass is not so simple mate no matter how much advance and legitimate chemicals you have access to.thats the point where you need guru even if you are in top 5 Mr olympia.u think kai green higher farah to get good source of steroids.i am sure kai knows lot more gear suppliers than farah.
Milos never could bring any of his guy even close to thier previous best not to mention health problem he and his guys have after he done with them.talking and and writing is different thing but actually knowing how to get the job done in the end is some thing beyond any book knowledge.

Getting sub 7% is easy to eat for. Like Onetimehard said...eat lots of protein, cut out the carbs, keep fats mid to almost non-existant if you have more fat to lose, and you'll get there. It's inevitable. If you can't, you don't have the genetics for bodybuilding and chances are you would have never made it past level 1 to need a guru anyways.

The guys who get to the national level never had any trouble getting ripped on their own. They just suffer...it's easy.

And like someone else said...if you're running all kinds of good stuff, there's no way you lose any appreciable muscle unless you really, really fuck up and go hyperkalemic. Now, mix in DNP and slin and you'll need help or you can flatten out real quick. That's where gurus help, especially if you've never done it before and need to take that next step. And some guys like gurus the first time they start messing around with multiple diuretics and trying to time the fat load the day before the show. Basically, most pros don't want to die, but they know they need to take stuff that can kill you inside of a day (diuretics, slin, DNP), and they use gurus to help them with that. But getting sub 7%...that's pretty easy (you hurt and suffer, but just eat less and do more cardio and you can do it). Getting sub 4% only happens if you have genetics for it anyways...very few can get there even with drugs and gurus, etc...unless you bring yourself near death. That's where it gets dangerous, and most hire the guru as an insurance policy to keep you on track with not over/under doing the deadlier stuff.

I could tell you some funny stories of what guys do the night before a show with a bottle of diazide and aldactone and some slow-K. Not funny as in "haha", but funny as in "slap your forehead you're going to die" funny.

But if you can't get to the national level running standard juice at 2-3grams per week and some GH, you probably shouldn't try turning pro anyways. You can't cut it.

[Rajkapoor]

Getting sub 7% is easy to eat for. Like Onetimehard said...eat lots of protein, cut out the carbs, keep fats mid to almost non-existant if you have more fat to lose, and you'll get there. It's inevitable. If you can't, you don't have the genetics for bodybuilding and chances are you would have never made it past level 1 to need a guru anyways.

The guys who get to the national level never had any trouble getting ripped on their own. They just suffer...it's easy.

And like someone else said...if you're running all kinds of good stuff, there's no way you lose any appreciable muscle unless you really, really fuck up and go hyperkalemic. Now, mix in DNP and slin and you'll need help or you can flatten out real quick. That's where gurus help, especially if you've never done it before and need to take that next step. And some guys like gurus the first time they start messing around with multiple diuretics and trying to time the fat load the day before the show. Basically, most pros don't want to die, but they know they need to take stuff that can kill you inside of a day (diuretics, slin, DNP), and they use gurus to help them with that. But getting sub 7%...that's pretty easy (you hurt and suffer, but just eat less and do more cardio and you can do it). Getting sub 4% only happens if you have genetics for it anyways...very few can get there even with drugs and gurus, etc...unless you bring yourself near death. That's where it gets dangerous, and most hire the guru as an insurance policy to keep you on track with not over/under doing the deadlier stuff.

I could tell you some funny stories of what guys do the night before a show with a bottle of diazide and aldactone and some slow-K. Not funny as in "haha", but funny as in "slap your forehead you're going to die" funny.

But if you can't get to the national level running standard juice at 2-3grams per week and some GH, you probably shouldn't try turning pro anyways. You can't cut it.

i know guys taking more gear than pro,s at national level and all the gh slin dnp you talking about and still comes in flat on stage with lower than 4% bf level cuz they over carbed or used too much diuretics.as a pro you need to be more than 100% for judging and evening show.you slip a little you get crucified.
t3 and exact amount of cardio is more than enough to get sub 7 or 4%.any one could be sub 4% genetic or no genetic if given enough time to get ready for the show.its easy to get sub 4% if you dont blow up 3 stone over your contest weight and competes 2 or 3 time a year.
if some one need to use DNP to get shredded he is not good enough to turn pro.you can use all the legitimate gear in the world and if you doing cardio more than you need or bring your carbs too low for too many days u will lose muscle so fast it will spin your head.
you need a 3rd eye to tell you where to draw the line for cardio and carbs.pro bodybuilders getting help for contest prep are not idiots they know what is best for them.every guy who work with farah or Aceto bring his best package on stage not due to legitimate source of gear but the knowledge of perfect dieting and timing and amount of diuretics for final count down.