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Title: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 24, 2012, 01:19:32 PM

The CDC has stats...

http://www.cdc.gov/safechild/Child_Injury_Data.html#1

Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: littledumbells on December 24, 2012, 02:04:38 PM
 Lets let Australia lead the way in banning tubs. That is if they really are serious about saving significant numbers of children
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: WOOO on December 24, 2012, 03:15:15 PM
my new townhouse and 2 monster soaker tubs...

i've never been a bath person until now...

no homo
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Straw Man on December 24, 2012, 03:48:56 PM
The CDC has stats...

http://www.cdc.gov/safechild/Child_Injury_Data.html#1



let us know when some random nut can kill 28 people in a matter a minutes using a bathtub

fucking DUMBASS
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: WOOO on December 24, 2012, 03:51:34 PM
let us know when some random nut can kill 28 people in a matter a minutes using a bathtub

fucking DUMBASS


don't challenge american'ts... they'll try it
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Straw Man on December 24, 2012, 04:41:44 PM

don't challenge american'ts... they'll try it

And unlike an automatic weapon, someone will be able to stop the killer
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 24, 2012, 04:54:13 PM
i take 1 to 2 bubble baths every day.

i am 21+ and know the risks.
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: tonymctones on December 24, 2012, 05:14:14 PM
let us know when some random nut can kill 28 people in a matter a minutes using a bathtub

fucking DUMBASS
let us know when banning guns will stop that from happening...

And unlike an automatic weapon, someone will be able to stop the killer
who was using an automatic weapon?
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Mr. Magoo on December 24, 2012, 05:16:31 PM
let us know when banning guns will stop that from happening...

I don't think that's the proposition
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: tonymctones on December 24, 2012, 05:18:35 PM
I don't think that's the proposition
really then why are those incidents being used to push that agenda?
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Mr. Magoo on December 24, 2012, 05:21:26 PM
really then why are those incidents being used to push that agenda?

I think the idea is to lower the rate
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: tonymctones on December 24, 2012, 05:42:37 PM
I think the idea is to lower the rate
and increase the rate of other forms of attacks?

that seems like an idiotic thought process, how about we address the actual problem to help lower the over all rate of sociopaths going off?

That is unless you believe that guns are what are causing these ppl to lose it?
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: WOOO on December 24, 2012, 06:10:19 PM
and increase the rate of other forms of attacks?

that seems like an idiotic thought process, how about we address the actual problem to help lower the over all rate of sociopaths going off?

That is unless you believe that guns are what are causing these ppl to lose it?


dumb is spelled d-u-m-b
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: tonymctones on December 24, 2012, 06:13:05 PM

dumb is spelled d-u-m-b
canadian is spelled p-u-s-s-y ;)
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: WOOO on December 24, 2012, 06:22:20 PM
canadian is spelled p-u-s-s-y ;)


no... that's heterosexual
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: avxo on December 24, 2012, 08:37:02 PM
The CDC has stats...

http://www.cdc.gov/safechild/Child_Injury_Data.html#1

While banning bathtubs is probably a bad, examing whether changes to bathtubs could prevent those deaths isn't a bad idea. That aside this argument is a bit of a red herring: as Straw Man said a bathtub wielding assailant can't really do too much damage when compared to someone wielding, say, double Desert Eagles, videogame style. So the comparison is kind of silly.

As  lawyer, I expect more and better from you. Where's your rapier wit, your well-honed and quick mind and your ability to formulate and express cogent and powerful arguments?
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 24, 2012, 08:39:26 PM
While banning bathtubs is probably a bad, examing whether changes to bathtubs could prevent those deaths isn't a bad idea. That aside this argument is a bit of a red herring: as Straw Man said a bathtub wielding assailant can't really do too much damage when compared to someone wielding, say, double Desert Eagles, videogame style. So the comparison is kind of silly.

As  lawyer, I expect more and better from you. Where's your rapier wit, your well-honed and quick mind and your ability to formulate and express cogent and powerful arguments?


I thought if the issue as the saving of lives in the aggregate this was quite compelling. 
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Radical Plato on December 24, 2012, 10:13:42 PM
Seems completely pointless to compare ACCIDENTAL DEATH to HOMICIDE.  One isn't deliberate, the other is!  Also the CDC study bundled bathtubs, hot tubs and spas, the figures regarding bathtubs isn't recorded.  The danger that hot-tubs and spas present, is far greater than a bathtub.  Hot-tubs and spas, hold more water, are generally deeper and are often never empty and a child can easily fall into one and drown.  Also as many as 70 percent of all adult drownings in tubs involved consumption of alcohol.  Some experts warn there could be darker explanations for many tub deaths.  Andrea Zaferes, vice president of Lifeguard Systems Inc. and a homicidal drowning investigation instructor, said police miss many homicides in which water is used as a weapon. "Our estimation is that about 20 percent of the drownings are homicides.   In America their are about 335 fatalities related to bathtubs, hot tubs and spas each year, in that same amount of time their are over 30,000 fatalities related to Guns.


Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: avxo on December 24, 2012, 10:30:35 PM

I thought if the issue as the saving of lives in the aggregate this was quite compelling. 


Now that is some lawyerin' ;D
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: garebear on December 24, 2012, 11:55:52 PM
E-Kul just outlawyered 333386.

333386 should get his money back from his law school.
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: tbombz on December 25, 2012, 02:00:02 AM
Let's be fair. Legal arguments need not be limited to prima facie quality material , all information in Any way related can be used to help support a position, even if the information NY itself proves absolutely nothing
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: WOOO on December 25, 2012, 02:20:10 AM
Seems completely pointless to compare ACCIDENTAL DEATH to HOMICIDE.  One isn't deliberate, the other is!  Also the CDC study bundled bathtubs, hot tubs and spas, the figures regarding bathtubs isn't recorded.  The danger that hot-tubs and spas present, is far greater than a bathtub.  Hot-tubs and spas, hold more water, are generally deeper and are often never empty and a child can easily fall into one and drown.  Also as many as 70 percent of all adult drownings in tubs involved consumption of alcohol.  Some experts warn there could be darker explanations for many tub deaths.  Andrea Zaferes, vice president of Lifeguard Systems Inc. and a homicidal drowning investigation instructor, said police miss many homicides in which water is used as a weapon. "Our estimation is that about 20 percent of the drownings are homicides.   In America their are about 335 fatalities related to bathtubs, hot tubs and spas each year, in that same amount of time their are over 30,000 fatalities related to Guns.




Smart
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 25, 2012, 04:45:22 AM
E-Kul just outlawyered 333386.

333386 should get his money back from his law school.


There are not 30k fatalities from gun deaths each year. 
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: WOOO on December 25, 2012, 05:01:09 AM

There are not 30k fatalities from gun deaths each year. 

odd sentence structure
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: littledumbells on December 25, 2012, 06:05:25 AM
Seems completely pointless to compare ACCIDENTAL DEATH to HOMICIDE.  One isn't deliberate, the other is!  Also the CDC study bundled bathtubs, hot tubs and spas, the figures regarding bathtubs isn't recorded.  The danger that hot-tubs and spas present, is far greater than a bathtub.  Hot-tubs and spas, hold more water, are generally deeper and are often never empty and a child can easily fall into one and drown.  Also as many as 70 percent of all adult drownings in tubs involved consumption of alcohol.  Some experts warn there could be darker explanations for many tub deaths.  Andrea Zaferes, vice president of Lifeguard Systems Inc. and a homicidal drowning investigation instructor, said police miss many homicides in which water is used as a weapon. "Our estimation is that about 20 percent of the drownings are homicides.   In America their are about 335 fatalities related to bathtubs, hot tubs and spas each year, in that same amount of time their are over 30,000 fatalities related to Guns.




 Either one wants to save lives or not. Statistically more kids die in bathtubs than from guns. Why would you be against banning tubs? You will save more kids.
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: tonymctones on December 25, 2012, 06:25:20 AM
Either one wants to save lives or not. Statistically more kids die in bathtubs than from guns. Why would you be against banning tubs? You will save more kids.
bc guns are lowd and scawy!!!!
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: blacken700 on December 25, 2012, 06:29:47 AM
bc guns are lowd and scawy!!!!

bc guns make me tough and cool!!!!
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: WOOO on December 25, 2012, 06:30:17 AM
hmm... are they assault bathtubs or the bathtubs of war?
Title: Ban fireworks.
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 25, 2012, 10:02:38 AM
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Man drives car with make-shift explosives into students in northern China, injuring 13
Associated Press ^ | December 25, 2012
Posted on December 25, 2012, 1:19:40 AM EST by ConservativeStatement

BEIJING – A man in northern China has rammed a car loaded with a gas tank and firecrackers into a group of middle school students, injuring 13.

The official Xinhua News Agency says the man attempted to set off an explosion after running down 23 students at Fengning No. 1 Middle School in northern China's Hebei province on Monday. The man is in police custody.

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Title: Re: Ban fireworks.
Post by: Al Doggity on December 25, 2012, 10:27:47 AM
Almost every state in the union has some sort of fireworks restriction. Some states, like the state you and I live in and where you practice law, have outright bans.
Title: Re: Ban fireworks.
Post by: Montague on December 25, 2012, 10:36:38 AM
All of these acts of violence against kids in schools...

Why don't they just ban schools?

Title: Re: Ban fireworks.
Post by: whork on December 25, 2012, 10:53:14 AM
All of these acts of violence against kids in schools...

Why don't they just ban schools?



 :)
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Radical Plato on December 25, 2012, 12:01:54 PM

There are not 30k fatalities from gun deaths each year. 
Gun Related fatalities = Homocide, Suicide, Unintentional and Undetermined Cause = Average well over 30,000 gun related fatalities per year.
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Radical Plato on December 25, 2012, 12:05:50 PM
Either one wants to save lives or not. Statistically more kids die in bathtubs than from guns. Why would you be against banning tubs? You will save more kids.
More people die in a 5 day period from gun related incidents than they do a whole year from incidents involving bathtubs, hot tubs and spas combined.   Statistically, you are wrong 99.9% of the time.
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: tonymctones on December 25, 2012, 12:25:59 PM
Gun Related fatalities = Homocide, Suicide, Unintentional and Undetermined Cause = Average well over 30,000 gun related fatalities per year.
and well over 10k of that is suicides.

how many are from police related shootings?

Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: WOOO on December 25, 2012, 12:41:05 PM
and well over 10k of that is suicides.

how many are from police related shootings?



A lot of Americants see to like sucking on the barrel
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: garebear on December 25, 2012, 06:53:19 PM
HTH
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Straw Man on December 25, 2012, 07:02:57 PM
and well over 10k of that is suicides.

how many are from police related shootings?

seems like a gun is a good way to kill people quickly

yourself or others

the problem is that we need to find a way to get these particular people to ONLY use guns to kill themselves

I'm sure we can all agree on that and it's a gun centric solution

Merry Christmas
Title: Re: Ban fireworks.
Post by: WOOO on December 25, 2012, 07:24:08 PM
All of these acts of violence against kids in schools...

Why don't they just ban schools?



then you'd need a policeman in every house in the country... would require a 'small' change in the income tax rates...
Title: Re: Ban fireworks.
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 25, 2012, 07:34:51 PM
I think we need government to ban anything that could hurt us.  We need to be protected from ourselves.
Title: Re: Ban fireworks.
Post by: WOOO on December 25, 2012, 07:40:08 PM
I think we need government to ban anything that could hurt us.  We need to be protected from ourselves.

easy solution: exterminate all american'ts... then you can't hurt anyone else or yourselves
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: tonymctones on December 25, 2012, 08:34:10 PM
seems like a gun is a good way to kill people quickly

yourself or others

the problem is that we need to find a way to get these particular people to ONLY use guns to kill themselves

I'm sure we can all agree on that and it's a gun centric solution

Merry Christmas

LOL
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Straw Man on December 25, 2012, 08:45:24 PM
LOL

I wasn't joking

isn't the PROBLEM that these nuts kill people other than themselves ?

sure guns make it really really easy but that's irrelevant
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: WOOO on December 26, 2012, 03:53:07 AM
I wasn't joking

isn't the PROBLEM that these nuts kill people other than themselves ?

sure guns make it really really easy but that's irrelevant


kinda sad that they kill anyone don't you think?

suicide rate in the US isn't insanely high but it's weird to see how many suicides are due to such a violent means
Title: Re: Ban fireworks.
Post by: Radical Plato on December 26, 2012, 04:42:58 AM
Almost every state in the union has some sort of fireworks restriction. Some states, like the state you and I live in and where you practice law, have outright bans.
That makes sense, fireworks are dangerous, semi automatic assault weapons are not.
Title: Lets ban retaining walls.
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 26, 2012, 11:22:10 AM
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3 accused of jumping on, killing man in Minneapolis
in forum ^ | 12-26-12 | ap
Posted on December 26, 2012, 2:13:35 PM EST by TurboZamboni

MINNEAPOLIS — Three people are accused of killing a man in Minneapolis by jumping on and beating him. The Star Tribune reports (http://bit.ly/YGQzH1) police say that witnesses reported seeing three males taking turns jumping from a retaining wall onto Kerry Duane Scott's chest and abdomen “like a trampoline” on Nov. 17. Officers found Scott bleeding from the head and paramedics pronounced him dead.

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Title: Re: Lets ban retaining walls.
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 26, 2012, 12:07:27 PM
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3 accused of jumping on, killing man in Minneapolis
in forum ^ | 12-26-12 | ap
Posted on December 26, 2012, 2:13:35 PM EST by TurboZamboni

MINNEAPOLIS — Three people are accused of killing a man in Minneapolis by jumping on and beating him. The Star Tribune reports (http://bit.ly/YGQzH1) police say that witnesses reported seeing three males taking turns jumping from a retaining wall onto Kerry Duane Scott's chest and abdomen “like a trampoline” on Nov. 17. Officers found Scott bleeding from the head and paramedics pronounced him dead.

(Excerpt) Read more at inforum.com ...


YES!

I remember when a concrete retaining wall here toppled over behind tons of mud killing three kids waiting for the bus.

We got along fine back when we had hills instead of these dangerous walls.
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Straw Man on December 26, 2012, 02:38:17 PM
It's too bad we can ban stupidity because I've seen more of it from the gun lovers than is usual for most topics on this board

someone starts a thread about banning high capacity clips and the gun nuts respond with the following conflated nonsense

1.  Why do you want to ban guns (no one is talking about banning all guns)

2.  If you ban guns (again, no one is even saying that) then they will just find something else to use (more bs - if there was something as effective they would have used it in the first place)

3.  Why do you think new laws will suddenly turn insane nutbags into "docile critters" ( this is by far the dumbest response yet)

4.  Why don't we ban bathtubs, cars, etc... as if these objects can be used to commit mass murder in a matter of minutes


The outpouring of stupidity from right wingers on this board on this particular topic is just unbelievable


Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 26, 2012, 03:16:53 PM
It's too bad we can ban stupidity because I've seen more of it from the gun lovers than is usual for most topics on this board

someone starts a thread about banning high capacity clips and the gun nuts respond with the following conflated nonsense

1.  Why do you want to ban guns (no one is talking about banning all guns)

2.  If you ban guns (again, no one is even saying that) then they will just find something else to use (more bs - if there was something as effective they would have used it in the first place)

3.  Why do you think new laws will suddenly turn insane nutbags into "docile critters" ( this is by far the dumbest response yet)

4.  Why don't we ban bathtubs, cars, etc... as if these objects can be used to commit mass murder in a matter of minutes


The outpouring of stupidity from right wingers on this board on this particular topic is just unbelievable



The debate is getting a little stupid on both sides but it's not a bad point to say that a person who has set their mind on killing a lot of people can easily find a way to do it even if they don't have access to guns.  Would you feel better if the idiot had drove a truck into the school filled with gasoline and a way to ignite it on impact?  There's a zillion easy ways crazies can sit around and come up with if that's what they're going to do.  Why not look at what makes people do shit like this?  Why is it more important to talk about gun control than it is to talk about what effect the drugs these guys are on has?  There's a lot of shit to talk about here but the left just wants to make it about gun control ::) That's fucked up.
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: whork on December 26, 2012, 03:19:25 PM
The debate is getting a little stupid on both sides but it's not a bad point to say that a person who has set their mind on killing a lot of people can easily find a way to do it even if they don't have access to guns.  Would you feel better if the idiot had drove a truck into the school filled with gasoline and a way to ignite it on impact?  There's a zillion easy ways crazies can sit around and come up with if that's what they're going to do.  Why not look at what makes people do shit like this?  Why is it more important to talk about gun control than it is to talk about what effect the drugs these guys are on has?  There's a lot of shit to talk about here but the left just wants to make it about gun control ::) That's fucked up.

So what do you want to talk about then? :)
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 26, 2012, 03:27:43 PM
So what do you want to talk about then? :)
You could start by reading all of my post.  There was at least one suggestion in there ;)
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: whork on December 26, 2012, 03:33:50 PM
You could start by reading all of my post.  There was at least one suggestion in there ;)

So you want to talk drugs? :)
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Straw Man on December 26, 2012, 03:37:20 PM
The debate is getting a little stupid on both sides but it's not a bad point to say that a person who has set their mind on killing a lot of people can easily find a way to do it even if they don't have access to guns.  Would you feel better if the idiot had drove a truck into the school filled with gasoline and a way to ignite it on impact?  There's a zillion easy ways crazies can sit around and come up with if that's what they're going to do.  Why not look at what makes people do shit like this?  Why is it more important to talk about gun control than it is to talk about what effect the drugs these guys are on has?  There's a lot of shit to talk about here but the left just wants to make it about gun control ::) That's fucked up.

easier said than done and I get the feeling sick fucks like the shooters in CT and AZ get off on using a gun and might not have the same feeling about driving a truck filled with gasoline and even if they did do that I suspect the death toll would be smaller .

I think we can do thing to mitigate the death toll and I think we also have to have higher standards for all gun owners and this will mean more enforcement, follow up, etc..  

Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 26, 2012, 05:33:44 PM
So you want to talk drugs? :)
Oh sure, as long as we keep the smiley face at the end of all your posts  :-\ WTF?
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 26, 2012, 05:57:44 PM
easier said than done and I get the feeling sick fucks like the shooters in CT and AZ get off on using a gun and might not have the same feeling about driving a truck filled with gasoline and even if they did do that I suspect the death toll would be smaller .

I think we can do thing to mitigate the death toll and I think we also have to have higher standards for all gun owners and this will mean more enforcement, follow up, etc..  


Oh BS... This isn't something WE can base on YOUR feelings.  What we know is that for many of these shooters it has been established that they planned it for a time.  What you all are thinking is that in their planning stage if there were no guns they would have just,... what, given up?  BWHAHAHahahah...  So your theory is that a guy planning to kill will just be so let down that he couldn't get his hands on the guns he wants, he'll just give up on his plan to kill?  ::)  yea... hahaha...
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Straw Man on December 26, 2012, 06:03:01 PM
Oh BS... This isn't something WE can base on YOUR feelings.  What we know is that for many of these shooters it has been established that they planned it for a time.  What you all are thinking is that in their planning stage if there were no guns they would have just,... what, given up?  BWHAHAHahahah...  So your theory is that a guy planning to kill will just be so let down that he couldn't get his hands on the guns he wants and will therefore not plan his kill?  ::)  yea... hahaha...

why didn't the AZ killer just get in his car and plow through the crowd

how about the shooter in CT or anywhere else

do you have any examples (or a bunch since we have bunch of shooting examples) of nuts hell bent on mass murder doing that

why not?

It would be cheaper (no need to buy a gun)

Look at all the gun nuts on the board

They LOVE shooting their guns and talking about shooting their guns and pining away for the chance to shoot their guns

Yes, I get the feeling that these people CHOSE to use guns because it was efficient, easy and they get a thrill out of standing in front of someone and gunning them down

all these first person shooter games should give you an indication that people find that sort of thing to be fun (and I'm not suggesting those games caused any of these shootings)

Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 26, 2012, 06:06:35 PM
So ban the games too right? 


why didn't the AZ killer just get in his car and plow through the crowd

how about the shooter in CT or anywhere else

do you have any examples (or a bunch since we have bunch of shooting examples) of nuts hell bent on mass murder doing that

why not?

It would be cheaper (no need to buy a gun)

Look at all the gun nuts on the board

They LOVE shooting their guns and talking about shooting their guns and pining away for the chance to shoot their guns

Yes, I get the feeling that these people CHOSE to use guns because it was efficient, easy and they get a thrill out of standing in front of someone and gunning them down

all these first person shooter games should give you an indication that people find that sort of thing to be fun (and I'm not suggesting those games caused any of these shootings)


Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: whork on December 26, 2012, 06:09:58 PM
Oh sure, as long as we keep the smiley face at the end of all your posts  :-\ WTF?

Im high.

So drugs is to blame for the many deaths?

Are drugs unique to the US?
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Straw Man on December 26, 2012, 06:12:47 PM
So ban the games too right? 

if you can't be bothered to read then STFU

If you're too stupid to understand what you've read then STFU

why didn't the AZ killer just get in his car and plow through the crowd

how about the shooter in CT or anywhere else

do you have any examples (or a bunch since we have bunch of shooting examples) of nuts hell bent on mass murder doing that

why not?

It would be cheaper (no need to buy a gun)

Look at all the gun nuts on the board

They LOVE shooting their guns and talking about shooting their guns and pining away for the chance to shoot their guns

Yes, I get the feeling that these people CHOSE to use guns because it was efficient, easy and they get a thrill out of standing in front of someone and gunning them down

all these first person shooter games should give you an indication that people find that sort of thing to be fun
(and I'm not suggesting those games caused any of these shootings)


Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 26, 2012, 06:13:44 PM
if you can't be bothered to read then STFU

If you're too stupid to understand what you've read then STFU


But you are convinced the guns did cause the crime right? 
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Straw Man on December 26, 2012, 06:15:43 PM
But you are convinced the guns did cause the crime right?

NO xxxxxxxx

GUNS did not CAUSE the crime

Good lord you're xxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 26, 2012, 06:53:34 PM
why didn't the AZ killer just get in his car and plow through the crowd

how about the shooter in CT or anywhere else

do you have any examples (or a bunch since we have bunch of shooting examples) of nuts hell bent on mass murder doing that

why not?

It would be cheaper (no need to buy a gun)

Look at all the gun nuts on the board

They LOVE shooting their guns and talking about shooting their guns and pining away for the chance to shoot their guns

Yes, I get the feeling that these people CHOSE to use guns because it was efficient, easy and they get a thrill out of standing in front of someone and gunning them down

all these first person shooter games should give you an indication that people find that sort of thing to be fun (and I'm not suggesting those games caused any of these shootings)


What we're questioning here is; would he have chosen another path to kill if he couldn't get his hands on guns?

He's another case that planned his shit in advance.  I say it's absurd for you to suggest he couldn't come up with another way to kill without guns.  I mean fuck man, there are chemicals you could order without any checks that you could load into your car, as you suggest, and have even more people killed than the AZ shooter did.  Dude, anybody with highschool Chem under their belt can figure out how to kill if they really wanted and you don't even need that.  Like I said before, load up with gas, find a way to trigger and make your run.  Would you rather they burned to death? 

Guns are not the problem.  Why does this guy want to kill masses?  You need to address THAT!  taking away the guns will not help address problem cases like this.  Several of these guys have been very intelligent.  Like the Colorado theater clown.  That dude went to great lengths rigging shit to kill others in his home.  To think he would have just called it quits without guns is a laugh.  He would have went into that theater with something else and there is a good possibility that it could have killed even more.  Same case with the recent school shooting, I'm sure autisic boy could have worked something else out...  Same with the AZ shooter...
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 26, 2012, 07:06:22 PM
And straw... WTF?  Stop calling me a "Gun NUT" or calling other people nuts because they believe in gun ownership and the 2nd.  That's just stupid on your part.  I have never done anything nutty or planned anything nuts where guns are involved.  Despite what you would like to be the case, that's also the fact for the vast majority of American gun owners.
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Radical Plato on December 26, 2012, 07:10:48 PM
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Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 26, 2012, 09:13:06 PM
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I've been thinking; now we might know why DHS went overkill with their ammunition purchases.

Why Is Homeland Security Buying 450 Million Hollow Point Bullets?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=421834.msg6059170#msg6059170

DHS Makes Massive Purchase of Explosive Nitrates and another 750 million rounds
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=436098.0

Looks like they've been getting ready for a civil war.
Title: Re: Should we ban bath tubs?
Post by: Straw Man on December 26, 2012, 10:16:02 PM
NO xxxxxxxx

GUNS did not CAUSE the crime

Good lord you're xxxxxxxx

LOL  !!!!

no more censorship

now we'll just redact the "dirty" words

the one's we find personally objectionable

Title: Ban Molotov Cocktails
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 28, 2012, 04:07:14 AM
Skip to comments.

LA police: Fire set on woman 'defies explanation'
Montana Standard ^ | 2 hours ago
Posted on December 28, 2012 7:04:25 AM EST by BenLurkin

Police say the attack defies explanation: A man poured flammable liquid on a 67-year-old homeless woman as she slept on a bus bench in the San Fernando Valley, then lit a match and set her on fire.

A witness called 911, and police arrested 24-year-old Dennis Petillo a short time after the Thursday morning attack. He was booked for investigation of attempted murder and was held on $500,000 bail. It wasn't immediately known if he had retained an attorney.

The assailant "just poured it all over the old lady," the witness, Erickson Ipina, told reporters. "Then he threw the match on her and started running."

Police released no details on Petillo. The victim's name also was withheld.

The woman was taken to a hospital, where she was listed in critical condition.

Tej Deol, 31, who resides at a nearby sober living house, said the woman made the bench her home and often could be found sleeping there after sundown. He said he saw her Christmas Eve, getting ready to eat some soup.

"I told her, `Merry Christmas and happy New Year,' and she said she was doing good," Deol said. "She was so kind. She was happy to have someone talk to her."

Thursday's incident was at least the third in Los Angeles County since October where people were set on fire.

Last week, a 55-year-old man was seriously injured when he was set ablaze as he slept outside a doughnut shop in Norwalk. Two months earlier, Long Beach police said Jacob Timothy Lagarde, 27, allegedly threw a lit Molotov cocktail at a man who had been waiting for his father outside a store. Lagarde has since been charged with attempted murder and five other counts.

(Excerpt) Read more at mtstandard.com ...
Title: Ban NYC Subway.
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 28, 2012, 04:55:25 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/27/nyc-subway-slaying_n_2373172.html

Title: Re: Ban NYC Subway.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 28, 2012, 06:41:34 AM
i dont trust huffPost since they listed all the gun crimes that day.  summarize article?
Title: Re: Ban NYC Subway.
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 28, 2012, 06:43:38 AM
i dont trust huffPost since they listed all the gun crimes that day.  summarize article?

We have another subway incident where some ghetto street thug pushed another onto the tracks to his death. 

im on the subway all the time and you would not believe the amount of ghetto sludge and filth down there just loitering about. 

All voted for obama and are on welfare and looting the system dry on their Obamaphones.
Title: Ban arson.
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 28, 2012, 07:05:27 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/27/virginia-serial-arsonist-accomack_n_2371736.html

If only we had laws against arson and fire. 
Title: Re: Ban arson.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 28, 2012, 07:09:03 AM
lightning causes a lot of fires down here in FL.

I think we need to do something about lightning.  unchecked joules of energy.
Title: Re: Ban arson.
Post by: Straw Man on December 28, 2012, 08:12:30 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/27/virginia-serial-arsonist-accomack_n_2371736.html

If only we had laws against arson and fire. 

what exactly is your point with all these stupid "ban" threads?
Title: Re: Ban arson.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 28, 2012, 08:25:10 AM
what exactly is your point with all these stupid "ban" threads?

are you saying we should ban stupid threads?
Title: Re: Ban arson.
Post by: Straw Man on December 28, 2012, 08:45:55 AM
are you saying we should ban stupid threads?

good luck with that

I'm just trying to figure out the retard logic behind all these "ban it" threads
Title: Re: Ban NYC Subway.
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 28, 2012, 08:48:02 AM
Video shows suspect fleeing the scene of fatal Queens subway shove (NYers let her escape)
 NY Post ^ | 12/28/12 | LARRY CELONA

Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 11:41:15 AM by jimbo123

A madwoman last night pushed a stranger onto subway tracks in Queens, where he was killed by a train, police and witnesses said.

It was the second such nightmare in less than a month.

The unsuspecting victim was waiting at the elevated 40th Street station of the 7 line in Sunnyside at 8 p.m.

“This lady, she just pushed the guy on the tracks. Then she ran away. I was screaming and closing my eyes,” said witness Tenzing Tegeng, 21, one of five people on the platform.

“I knew he was gonna get hit by the train. That’s why I closed my eyes. I didn’t want to see it.


(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...




Fat Hispanic bitch did this.   Victim was probably some poor old white guy or something. 

Title: Re: Ban NYC Subway.
Post by: Straw Man on December 28, 2012, 08:54:45 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/27/nyc-subway-slaying_n_2373172.html

hey dumbass, why don't you just say ban murder
Title: Re: Ban NYC Subway.
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 28, 2012, 09:53:23 AM
hey dumbass, why don't you just say ban murder


We should. 

Title: Re: Ban NYC Subway.
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 28, 2012, 10:05:43 AM
Another innocent victim murdered in the subway; Cops hunt woman who shoved man to his death
 NY Daily News ^ | 12/27/12 | Matthew Lysiak

Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 12:15:20 PM by Impala64ssa

A heavyset Hispanic woman — seen by five witnesses pacing and mumbling to herself — pushes a helpless man in front of an oncoming Flushing-bound No. 7 train in Queens. She was caught on tape while fleeing the crime scene: police. A MAN WAITING for an approaching No. 7 train in Queens died a gruesome death Thursday night when a young woman darted up behind the helpless straphanger and pushed him onto the tracks, police said.

The unidentified victim was crushed by the first and second cars of the Flushing-bound train about 8 p.m, as his murderer hustled down the stairs of the elevated station at the 40th St./Lowery St. stop in Sunnyside and fled in an unknown direction on Queens Blvd.

The suspect, described by police as a heavyset Hispanic woman in her 20s, was still at large as of early Friday.


(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...
Title: Re: Ban NYC Subway.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 28, 2012, 10:10:49 AM
hey dumbass, why don't you just say ban murder


slow down.  zimmerman dispproves of laws like this.
Title: Re: Ban NYC Subway.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 28, 2012, 10:11:44 AM
Another innocent victim murdered in the subway; Cops hunt woman who shoved man to his death
 NY Daily News ^ | 12/27/12 | Matthew Lysiak

Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 12:15:20 PM by Impala64ssa

A heavyset Hispanic woman — seen by five witnesses pacing and mumbling to herself — pushes a helpless man in front of an oncoming Flushing-bound No. 7 train in Queens. She was caught on tape while fleeing the crime scene: police. A MAN WAITING for an approaching No. 7 train in Queens died a gruesome death Thursday night when a young woman darted up behind the helpless straphanger and pushed him onto the tracks, police said.

The unidentified victim was crushed by the first and second cars of the Flushing-bound train about 8 p.m, as his murderer hustled down the stairs of the elevated station at the 40th St./Lowery St. stop in Sunnyside and fled in an unknown direction on Queens Blvd.

The suspect, described by police as a heavyset Hispanic woman in her 20s, was still at large as of early Friday.


(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...


what the FCK?


Fat woman shoves a man to his death and there aren't 40 witnesses CHASING HER!!!!!!!!!!  ????????????

Yes, maybe it happens to quick to stop it - bet letting her fat ass waddle away?  WTF???????
Title: Re: Ban NYC Subway.
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 28, 2012, 10:13:13 AM
They should find this squaty little taco bitch and tie her down to the railroad tracks and suffer the same fate.  

I'm on the subway all the time and there are tons of these ghetto savages and beasts lurking about that need to be caged and put into capitivity.  
Title: Re: Ban NYC Subway.
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 28, 2012, 10:15:21 AM
You don't get it do you? 

NYC is not like that.  In Queens especially - few speak english, most are illiterate mexi-trash, indians, pakis, koreans, chinese who speak no english, arabs, immigrant filth, etc. 

You think those people give a damn about anyone?

No. 

what the FCK?


Fat woman shoves a man to his death and there aren't 40 witnesses CHASING HER!!!!!!!!!!  ????????????

Yes, maybe it happens to quick to stop it - bet letting her fat ass waddle away?  WTF???????
Title: Re: Ban NYC Subway.
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 28, 2012, 10:18:32 AM
You need to spend about a few months up here to learn the deal bro. 

Same as that other ghetto thug who pushed the chinese guy onto the tracks. 

You aint seen nothing yet. 

what the FCK?


Fat woman shoves a man to his death and there aren't 40 witnesses CHASING HER!!!!!!!!!!  ????????????

Yes, maybe it happens to quick to stop it - bet letting her fat ass waddle away?  WTF???????
Title: Re: Ban NYC Subway.
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 28, 2012, 10:23:17 AM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/man_dead_in_train_push_horror_in_9GAX83oeSi36YYRTZ77AqO

They should hunt this bitch down and feed her to the rats in the sewer system. 
Title: Re: Ban NYC Subway.
Post by: Straw Man on December 28, 2012, 10:46:14 AM
We should. 

We did

what's the point of these threads other than your obvious daily compulsive need to post stupid, often redundant, stuff on this board,
Title: Re: Ban arson.
Post by: 24KT on December 31, 2012, 04:43:20 AM
What happened to 333's post count?

You don't think he's afraid to have it hit 999,999 and have posters rub his nose in it when he backpedals and refuses to leave do you?

You don't suppose he would demonstrate such blatant cowardice do you?
Title: Re: Ban arson.
Post by: Mr. Magoo on December 31, 2012, 08:27:38 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/27/virginia-serial-arsonist-accomack_n_2371736.html

If only we had laws against arson and fire. 

Top 130 law school education finally coming into play  ::)
Title: Re: Ban arson.
Post by: Mr. Magoo on December 31, 2012, 08:32:04 AM
what exactly is your point with all these stupid "ban" threads?

3333 thinks he hit a wise little nugget of "Either we should have laws against everything that can kill people or we should not have any laws against anything that can kill people"

 ::)
Title: Re: Ban arson.
Post by: Dicki_Nurmom on December 31, 2012, 02:59:51 PM
What happened to 333's post count?

You don't think he's afraid to have it hit 999,999 and have posters rub his nose in it when he backpedals and refuses to leave do you?

You don't suppose he would demonstrate such blatant cowardice do you?

he's a tard... even Ron is cooler than 333386
Title: Re: Ban arson.
Post by: WOOO on December 31, 2012, 03:30:22 PM
he's a tard... even Ron is cooler than 333386

 ;D
Title: Re: Ban arson.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 01, 2013, 06:21:14 AM
he's a tard... even Ron is cooler than 333386


New rules bro.