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would you not need to disect a bodybuilder to comment on density
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Idiotic adjectives thrown around by bodybuilding 'experts' all over the world:
'Granite-Like'
'Dense'
'Spilled Over'
'Muscle Maturity'
'Bloofy'
'Champion'
'Athlete'
To answer your question; it isn't. Can't see any striations? Surely it's the muscle itself! Not the skin and water encapsulating the muscle, but the density and maturity of the muscle. Yes.
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Can't see any striations? Surely it's the muscle itself! Not the skin and water encapsulating the muscle, but the density and maturity of the muscle. Yes.
yeah what the fuck
it's like the more these experts get into it the dumber they get
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would you not need to disect a bodybuilder to comment on density
Easy , Ronnie on the left is dense & dry , Ronnie on the rights is soft and holding water
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Easy , Ronnie on the left is dense & dry , Ronnie on the rights is soft and holding water
what do you mean "dense"
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Ronnie on the left is under better lighting than on the right
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Easy , Ronnie on the left is dense & dry , Ronnie on the rights is soft and holding water
Ronnie on the left has more definition. Following your logic, Ronnie was "denser" than Dorian at their prime
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ND, who would you say has better muscle density in this comparison?
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the fact is you fools dont seem to know the meaning of the word density
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Ronnie on the left has more definition. Following your logic, Ronnie was "denser" than Dorian at their prime
Still trying to prove Ronnie was better huh? 8) keep trying kid.
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would you not need to disect a bodybuilder to comment on density
No not at all. This is in fact very easy to tell. In bodybuilding terms when you see a rugged surface it is called dense. When it is just a smooth surface then it is not dense. I don't care what the real meaning is this what we refer to as bodybuilders when we use that word 'dense'
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ND, who would you say has better muscle density in this comparison?
You were already scolded by Kevin Horton for trying to use this comparison as proof of who was better conditioned And he explained to you why you couldn't.
I wont debate with you who is better conditioned that was a done deal a LONG time ago and you're still wrong today ;)
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Still trying to prove Ronnie was better huh? 8) keep trying kid.
yates has better calves
ronnie has better arms
other things are debatable
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No not at all. This is in fact very easy to tell. In bodybuilding terms when you see a rugged surface it is called dense. When it is just a smooth surface then it is not dense. I don't care what the real meaning is this what we refer to as bodybuilders when we use that word 'dense'
is this like using "symmetry" for "proportions"
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ND, who would you say has better muscle density in this comparison?
In bodybuilding terms Dorian is more dense in that pic, look at his texture it is rugged and Ronnie's is smooth, that is what the term means in bodybuilding.
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is this like using "symmetry" for "proportions"
I guess, these are not exact meanings to presice words, they are terms in bodybuilding lingo.
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In bodybuilding terms Dorian is more dense in that pic, look at his texture it is rugged and Ronnie's is smooth, that is what the term means in bodybuilding.
because ronnie has better skin?
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In bodybuilding terms Dorian is more dense in that pic, look at his texture it is rugged and Ronnie's is smooth, that is what the term means in bodybuilding.
a lot of getbiggers claim it's actual density tho
the heavier you lift
the denser the muscle gets
and this is visible on stage
::)
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because ronnie has better skin?
I don't know what gives that look, skin or muscle but that is what judges look for, why do you think Branch is winning Arnold title? (He should not be in top 5) Simply because the texture of his skin looks rugged, all the judges say Branch is dense.
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In bodybuilding terms Dorian is more dense in that pic, look at his texture it is rugged and Ronnie's is smooth, that is what the term means in bodybuilding.
what you called "rugged," I call bad skin. Why should Ronnie be penalized on "density" for having healthier skin than Dorian?
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I don't know what gives that look, skin or muscle but that is what judges look for, why do you think Branch is winning Arnold title? (He should not be in top 5) Simply because the texture of his skin looks rugged, all the judges say Branch is dense.
hahaha omg it's true
these shmoes are looking for bad skin
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a lot of getbiggers claim it's actual density tho
the heavier you lift
the denser the muscle gets
and this is visible on stage
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Getbiggers can say what they want. When a judge says that guy is dense he is judging by the ruggedness of his skin, nothing more. Evan is known by judges to be dense from the front cause he is rugged and grainy. Phil on the other hand is not known for being dense, no ruggedness to his muscle. So his muscle is referred to as bloofy.
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Still trying to prove Ronnie was better huh? keep trying kid.
lol, keep dodging the question like you always do. Your stubborn refusal to acknowledge that you don't know what the heck you're talking about is all the proof I need that I'm right ;)
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what you called "rugged," I call bad skin. Why should Ronnie be penalized on "density" for having healthier skin than Dorian?
You can flip it anyway you want, call it bad skin, call grainy, rugged, whatever but the bottomline is this is rewarded on stage.
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You can flip it anyway you want, call it bad skin, call grainy, rugged, whatever but the bottomline is this is rewarded on stage.
says who? Looking at all the past Mr. Olympias, the only one who ever won with rugged-looking skin was Dorian. And he never competed against a prime Ronnie. So we don't know which physique the judges would have chosen. Where's your evidence to back up the claim this is what's rewarded on stage?
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lol, keep dodging the question like you always do. Your stubborn refusal to acknowledge that you don't know what the heck you're talking about is all the proof I need that I'm right ;)
It's a non-issue , there is NO debate if Dorian had better conditioning , it's not open for discussion EVERYONE knows it except you.
Peter McGough
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
Go away kid , your shit is boring. You go owned get over it. You thought you knew what you were talking about and you didn't and you got burned ;)
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^^^ translation: I don't have an intelligent response so I will quote another man's opinion rather than provide an explanation grounded in reality
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did someone say density 8)
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says who? Looking at all the past Mr. Olympias, the only one who ever won with rugged-looking skin was Dorian. Where's the evidence to back up the claim that this is what's rewarded on stage?
Cut the horse shit you dumbass.
This is rewarded by the judges, says the judges. I live at bodybuilding shows. I work with hundreds of judges, I work on stage at hundreds of shows you moron. This is what is rewarded, get over it. FFS this is why I am starting to hate this place, a bunch of dumbassess who don't know shit about bodybuilding and when you are saying stuff. they demand ''prove it'' are you fucken kidding me.
Prove it. The judge reward conditioning, prove it
the judges reward striations, prove it
seriously are you dumb?
and yes this is A FUCKEN MELTDOWN BASED ON STUPIDITY
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^^^ translation: I don't have an intelligent response so I will quote another man's opinion rather than provide an explanation grounded in reality
I absolutely will quote another man's opinion and why would I do that? and the fucking irony of you claiming the contrary and have the balls to claim your opinion is some how 'grounded in reality ' when in fact it's reached how? ;)
Through two fucking pictures posted almost 10 years apart under different lights and the quality of cameras and films improved exponentially within that time. LMFAO this is how your grounded in reality opinion came?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA
You're a fucking moron kid and I'm sorry but there is NO way to be kind about that , you just are. Thinking somehow you're right and Peter McGough is wrong
He seen both Ronnie & Dorian compete at their bests through their entire careers from beginning to end , he's been steps away from both live and in the flesh in 1993 and 2001 , if he says Ronnie doesn't compare it's LAW , he's been in the game since your parents were small , he's been there done that
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Cut the horse shit you dumbass.
This is rewarded by the judges, says the judges. I live at bodybuilding shows. I work with hundreds of judges, I work on stage at hundreds of shows you moron. This is what is rewarded, get over it. FFS this is why I am starting to hate this place, a bunch of dumbassess who don't know shit about bodybuilding and when you are saying stuff. they demand ''prove it'' are you fucken kidding me.
Prove it. The judge reward conditioning, prove it
the judges reward striations, prove it
seriously are you dumb?
and yes this is A FUCKEN MELTDOWN BASED ON STUPIDITY
Great post.
This kid doesn't know shit.
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Cut the horse shit you dumbass.
This is rewarded by the judges, says the judges. I live at bodybuilding shows. I work with hundreds of judges, I work on stage at hundreds of shows you moron. This is what is rewarded, get over it. FFS this is why I am starting to hate this place, a bunch of dumbassess who don't know shit about bodybuilding and when you are saying stuff. they demand ''prove it'' are you fucken kidding me.
Prove it. The judge reward conditioning, prove it
the judges reward striations, prove it
seriously are you dumb?
and yes this is A FUCKEN MELTDOWN BASED ON STUPIDITY
are you being serious? I call you out and your only response is "omg, you're such an idiot. Take my word for it, blah blah. How can you be so dumb? blah blah" and then you proceed to attack a strawman argument. My rebuttal was based on all the previous Mr. Olympia winners. At least I used an objective source instead of you who basically told me to take your word for it. No thanks! I would rather deal with facts instead of opinions. If we expanded our analysis to include all IFBB pro contests, then tell me how many bodybuilders were rewarded for looking "rugged." Surely Dorian Yates and Branch Warren aren't the only two bodybuilders in history to have that look.
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are you being serious? I call you out and your only response is "omg, you're such an idiot. Take my word for it, blah blah. How can you be so dumb? blah blah" and then you proceed to attack a strawman argument. My rebuttal was based on all the previous Mr. Olympia winners. At least I used an objective source instead of you who basically told me to take your word for it. No thanks! I would rather deal with facts instead of opinions. If we expanded our analysis to include all IFBB pro contests, then tell me how many bodybuilders were rewarded for looking "rugged." Surely Dorian Yates and Branch Warren aren't the only two bodybuilders in history to have that look.
OK fine, I am a jerk for freaking out, my bad ;D
Look I never said that having that look will guarantee a win. Obviously there is more to bodybuilding then that, you have size, conditioning, shape, proportions, and the works. So you saying their are others that have won the O without that grainy look, well of course cause they were Superior in other attributes.
This is definitely a feature judges will reward but very few have this type of look, obviously Yates is known for this and is king, other notable ones to a lesser degree are Pavol Jablonicky and Branch. Even Coleman is grainy from his thighs only though. Centopani is another with a grainy look. Not many in bodybuilding at all, but when you do see a bodybuilder with this type of look it gives the judges a hard on.
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I absolutely will quote another man's opinion and why would I do that? and the fucking irony of you claiming the contrary and have the balls to claim your opinion is some how 'grounded in reality ' when in fact it's reached how?
Through two fucking pictures posted almost 10 years apart under different lights and the quality of cameras and films improved exponentially within that time. LMFAO this is how your grounded in reality opinion came?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA
You're a fucking moron kid and I'm sorry but there is NO way to be kind about that , you just are. Thinking somehow you're right and Peter McGough is wrong
He seen both Ronnie & Dorian compete at their bests through their entire careers from beginning to end , he's been steps away from both live and in the flesh in 1993 and 2001 , if he says Ronnie doesn't compare it's LAW , he's been in the game since your parents were small , he's been there done that
you can quote another man's opinion all you want. I never told you not to. However, continuing to quote him doesn't help your argument
likewise, I could post quotes from multiple sources saying Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian. I guess that means Ronnie was better ;)
Nasser El Sonbaty – http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity.
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
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OK fine, I am a jerk for freaking out, my bad
Look I never said that having that look will guarantee a win. Obviously there is more to bodybuilding then that, you have size, conditioning, shape, proportions, and the works. So you saying their are others that have won the O without that grainy look, well of course cause they were Superior in other attributes.
This is definitely a feature judges will reward but very few have this type of look, obviously Yates is known for this and is king, other notable ones to a lesser degree are Pavol Jablonicky and Branch. Even Coleman is grainy from his thighs only though. Centopani is another with a grainy look. Not many in bodybuilding at all, but when you do see a bodybuilder with this type of look it gives the judges a hard on.
it's all good, brah. No feelings hurt. I do think as bodybuilders reach the epitome of conditioning, their skin takes on a characteristic texture that looks like saran wrapping over the muscle. Dorian had this. Menzer had this. Ronnie had this (look at his 98 Mr. Olympia or 01 ASC pics). Several other bodybuilders have had it too. So I don't think it's as rare as some people make it out to be
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Everyone has it to some degree if they get shredded enough I suppose but with the outlined people, it was dramatic, so much that even Yates had in off-season mood, not fully off-season but 25lb out, he was still grainy so it was more pronounced.
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you can quote another man's opinion all you want. I never told you not to. However, continuing to quote him doesn't help your argument
likewise, I could post quotes from multiple sources saying Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian. I guess that means Ronnie was better ;)
Nasser El Sonbaty – http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity.
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Those quotes are generic and not specific about Dorian at his best , and I can post twenty more all saying Dorian's conditioning is UNMATCHED even to this day including from Dorian himself who is an IFBB judge ;)
You're the one trying to prove Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian using two pictures separated by almost 10 years under different lighting and quality , Kevin Horton already explained to you why that comparison is invalid and useless yet that's your proof ::)
I will NOT debate who had better conditioning between the two it's not open for discussion , you can type all you want Ronnie was it doesn't change the facts.
run along with your bullshit
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Those quotes are generic and not specific about Dorian at his best , and I can post twenty more all saying Dorian's conditioning is UNMATCHED even to this day including from Dorian himself who is an IFBB judge
You're the one trying to prove Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian using two pictures separated by almost 10 years under different lighting and quality , Kevin Horton already explained to you why that comparison is invalid and useless yet that's your proof ::)
I will NOT debate who had better conditioning between the two it's not open for discussion , you can type all you want Ronnie was it doesn't change the facts.
run along with your bullshit
you must not be able to read. Here's the first quote I posted again before you go whining how the quotes don't compare Dorian at his prime
Nasser El Sonbaty – http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity.
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The muscle "appears" dense would be the correct way of saying it.
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great thread, except for the ronnie vs. dorian bullshit
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great thread, except for the ronnie vs. dorian bullshit
agree
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Arguments against the term dense in physique evaluations are necessarily arguing that the human eye is incapale of observing the physical characteristics of material
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Arguments against the term dense in physique evaluations are necessarily arguing that the human eye is incapale of observing the physical characteristics of material
You can use a thesaurus but I see spell check is yet to be mastered.
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Arguments against the term dense in physique evaluations are necessarily arguing that the human eye is incapale of observing the physical characteristics of material
??? ??? ???
Look people stop confusing things, the only thing that matters is what the judges mean by this word "dense" and the judges mean the rugged look, that's it, everything else is horse shit. In bodybuilding terms 'dense' means rugged and grainy, why? cause the bodybuilding judges say it does, simple as that.
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you must not be able to read. Here's the first quote I posted again before you go whining how the quotes don't compare Dorian at his prime
Nasser El Sonbaty – http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity.
Irony alert you must not be able to read
Peter McGough
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
he was never drier or harder than Dorian.
NEVER not 1998 not 2001 not now , not 1996 not EVER
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian.
NO-ONE understand?
I can bury you with quotes saying the exact same thing , I wont because it's not open for discussion , keep your denial it's all you have oh and that swell comparison you made LMAO
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It means the muscle actually looks DENSE. Whether or not it actually is dense is irrelevant. Sometimes rough skin can cause a more dense look but so can.... Drum roll please... DENSITY! Lol
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great thread, except for the ronnie vs. dorian bullshit
Thank Neo the fanboy for still crying about Dorian
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Density - Muscle hardness, which is also related to muscu-lar definition. A bodybuilder can be well-defined and still have excess fat within each major muscle complex. But when he has muscle density, even this intramuscular fat has been eliminated. A combination of muscle mass and muscle density is highly prized among all competitive bodybuilders.
Dense Ronnie left , Soft Ronnie right
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Density - Muscle hardness, which is also related to muscu-lar definition. A bodybuilder can be well-defined and still have excess fat within each major muscle complex. But when he has muscle density, even this intramuscular fat has been eliminated. A combination of muscle mass and muscle density is highly prized among all competitive bodybuilders.
Dense Ronnie left , Soft Ronnie right
This is why Yates is called granite-like cause he is so dense and has no fat in the muscle and it is also why his skin texture looks that way (grainy) cause it is 100% pure muscle.
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There was another long thread about this topic (i think it was about "thickness" and "density"). A lot of these differences are due to lighting, bodyfat levels on certain areas of the body, and bending the definitions of words.
Arguments against the term dense in physique evaluations are necessarily arguing that the human eye is incapale of observing the physical characteristics of material
Density is about the interior too, not just the surface, so it's a mistake to say that something "looks dense". Even with relatively simple materials like metal or wood or stone, you can't use your eyes to judge their density.
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There was another long thread about this topic (i think it was about "thickness" and "density"). A lot of these differences are due to lighting, bodyfat levels on certain areas of the body, and bending the definitions of words.
Density is about the interior too, not just the surface, so it's a mistake to say that something "looks dense". Even with relatively simple materials like metal or wood or stone, you can't use your eyes to judge their density.
it's about being dry
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Dense Ronnie left , Soft Ronnie right
lighting. reposition the lights and you change the "density".
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There was another long thread about this topic (i think it was about "thickness" and "density"). A lot of these differences are due to lighting, bodyfat levels on certain areas of the body, and bending the definitions of words.
Density is about the interior too, not just the surface, so it's a mistake to say that something "looks dense". Even with relatively simple materials like metal or wood or stone, you can't use your eyes to judge their density.
You maybe right if you are referring to the actual meaning of the word density but dead wrong if you are talking about the bodybuilding term "density"
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Density is about the interior too, not just the surface, so it's a mistake to say that something "looks dense". Even with relatively simple materials like metal or wood or stone, you can't use your eyes to judge their density.
for one, we don't just see the surface, but we see whats underneath the surface as well. for example, we can see blue veins. we can see muscle striations.
for two, we can make associations between what something looks like and what its interior is like. for example if we see a piece of foam we know from experience that the foam is not very dense. and if we see a piece of lead we know that it is very dense.
when looking at a muscle, if we have prior experience feeling, flexing, observing muscles of different types (shape, size, conditioning, density, etc), then we can make associations between what the muscle looks like and what its interior characteristics are.
for example when you look at the muscles on phil heath they appear like balloons, sort of hollow on the inside. this is not just because of the smooth skin, but also because of the amount of types of striations, the actual thickness of the muscle, th shape of the muscle, etc. when we look at johnnie jacksons back it appears extremely dense, because it looks very hard like concrete, you can see thick bundles of fiber, you know if you've been around muscles before that johynnie has a very dense back.
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You maybe right if you are referring to the actual meaning of the word density but dead wrong if you are talking about the bodybuilding term "density"
That's what I'm saying though. The way the term is used in bodybuilding is incorrect and meaningless. There are some words being used which describe things which are neither visible nor measurable.
Or they are words which are being used instead of more useful words, like size, definition and proportion.
edited to add: These variations which you are describing as density, to me, just sound like different levels of muscular definition at a particular size. Large muscles which are very dry (with textures, similar to concrete or granite) look more dense than large muscles which are not dry (which look balloon-ish, smooth) . So 'density' is a redundant word to use if you already describe dryness and striations.
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That's what I'm saying though. The way the term is used in bodybuilding is incorrect and meaningless. There are some words being used which describe things which are neither visible nor measurable.
Or they are words which are being used instead of more useful words, like size, definition and proportion.
edited to add: These variations which you are describing as density, to me, just sound like different levels of muscular definition at a particular size. Large muscles which are very dry (with textures, similar concrete or granite) look more dense than large muscles which are not dry (which look balloon-ish, smooth) .
My bad, I see your point
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That's what I'm saying though. The way the term is used in bodybuilding is incorrect and meaningless. There are some words being used which describe things which are neither visible nor measurable.
Or they are words which are being used instead of more useful words, like size, definition and proportion.
edited to add: These variations which you are describing as density, to me, just sound like different levels of muscular definition at a particular size. Large muscles which are very dry (with textures, similar to concrete or granite) look more dense than large muscles which are not dry (which look balloon-ish, smooth) . So 'density' is a redundant word to use if you already describe dryness and striations.
conditioning and dryness enhance the look of density. but they are not density.
compare guys like dexter - always super shredded and dry, to guys like JOJ - always watery and never shredded. who appears more dense? JOJ by a mile. because he actually is more dense. you can see by looking at him, DENSITY.
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conditioning and dryness enhance the look of density. but they are not density.
compare guys like dexter - always super shredded and dry, to guys like JOJ - always watery and never shredded. who appears more dense? JOJ by a mile. because he actually is more dense. you can see by looking at him, DENSITY.
sounds like nonsense to me
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Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Dude, that's a question, not an opinion. ;)
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lighting. reposition the lights and you change the "density".
Wrong
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sounds like nonsense to me
thick, dense muscle
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1DTmtc2GbPA/TzZ5m1C_auI/AAAAAAAAB4M/a02zwrHUXh8/s1600/Johnnie+O.+Jackson+(4).jpg)
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Wrong
he said recently the 2001 arnold was his best conditioning of all time
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he said recently the 2001 arnold was his best conditioning of all time
No he didn't , in facts he said 5 times now 1998 was his best ever
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would you not need to disect a bodybuilder to comment on density
lol usually takes one to know one. an experienced eye. but there is no scientific formula or checklist for visual judgment, sorry.
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No he didn't , in facts he said 5 times now 1998 was his best ever
ok then 1998 was the year he got a hummer at the arnold
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Dude, that's a question, not an opinion. ;)
He knows that , it's been pointed out to him dozens of times. He's not to smart
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ok then 1998 was the year he got a hummer at the arnold
Post a source to him saying it
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Post a source to him saying it
i'm just saying, i'm not sure, but he said that one time he did the arnold despite his policy of taking time off after the olympia, they called him up and said "hey big ron, they are giving a hummer away at the arnold" so he said "i'm there" and went ahead to do the show and take the hummer
and that was his best show ever he said
he said it when he was sitting on a stage with philip, ronnie was wearing a puffy jacket
i can't find it but it's on the youtube
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i'm just saying, i'm not sure, but he said that one time he did the arnold despite his policy of taking time off after the olympia, they called him up and said "hey big ron, they are giving a hummer away at the arnold" so he said "i'm there" and went ahead to do the show and take the hummer
and that was his best show ever he said
he said it when he was sitting on a stage with philip, ronnie was wearing a puffy jacket
i can't find it but it's on the youtube
No the video with him and Heath he said 1998
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No the video with him and Heath he said 1998
ok then it was 98 they must have given the hummers
the more you know
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ok then it was 98 they must have given the hummers
the more you know
No he got the hummer at the Arnold , you're confusing the contests , but I will say Ronnie in 2001 Arnold is just as conditioned as he was in 1998 where both contests he was under 250lbs
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No he got the hummer at the Arnold , you're confusing the contests , but I will say Ronnie in 2001 Arnold is just as conditioned as he was in 1998 where both contests he was under 250lbs
There was a year he got an escalade at the Olympia though
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Easy , Ronnie on the left is dense & dry , Ronnie on the rights is soft and holding water
No Ronnie is dense ,just not as detailed, maybe holding more water but probably has more dense muscle on the right!
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There was a year he got an escalade at the Olympia though
2002
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No Ronnie is dense ,just not as detailed, maybe holding more water but probably has more dense muscle on the right!
Nope he's softer , he's holding more fat & water but still massive
Ronnie stripped of all fat & water
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Ronnie's 98 Olympia condition was his best! Looked better than 2001 Arnold!
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No he didn't , in facts he said 5 times now 1998 was his best ever
wrong. Ronnie rescinded his comment about 98 when he recently said 01 ASC was his best shape
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Dude, that's a question, not an opinion.
a rhetorical question is a literary device used to make a point. You should have learned this in high school English class...
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wrong. Ronnie rescinded his comment about 98 when he recently said 01 ASC was his best shape
Wrong , this is from the latest issue of MuscleMag ;)
next
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a rhetorical question is a literary device used to make a point. You should have learned this in high school English class...
Hahahahahahahaha epic speaking for the guy ::) then again you're the same idiot who thinks he figured out that Ronnie was harder & drier than Dorian via two separate pictures on the internet and claims the guy who seen both live and in person is an idiot ::)
Your quote
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
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Wrong , this is from the latest issue of MuscleMag
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checkmate ;)
Ronnie Coleman - MuscleMecca Forum Thread
Poster: "Ron, honestly who wins between Dorian at his best (1993/1995) vs you at your best (1999, ASC 01, Olympia 2003..etc)?"
Ronnie: "Comon man, you know 2003 cant be stopped."
http://musclemecca.com/kings-court-q-ronnie-coleman-296/big-ron-coleman-here-real-220513/index4.html
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checkmate ;)
Ronnie Coleman - MuscleMecca Forum Thread
Poster: "Ron, honestly who wins between Dorian at his best (1993/1995) vs you at your best (1999, ASC 01, Olympia 2003..etc)?"
Ronnie: "Comon man, you know 2003 cant be stopped."
http://musclemecca.com/kings-court-q-ronnie-coleman-296/big-ron-coleman-here-real-220513/index4.html
Not Checkmate in the least, because You said You don't care what Ronnie says because Ronnie is an ' idiot ' ( your words )
And it wasn't ' checkmate ' when he said Dorian would beat him but now he's somehow not stupid anymore ::) it's great to see you try and use him now as a competent source lol I love that you are now reduced to clinging to his word when it was useless before ;D
That's the best part
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Unless people are actually standing next to each other comparisons are kind of useless.
Ouch forgot that one huh Neo? ;) sucker ;D
We know Ronnie stood next to Dorian many times , how did that work out for him? ;)
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Not Checkmate in the least, because You said You don't care what Ronnie says because Ronnie is an ' idiot ' ( your words )
And it wasn't ' checkmate ' when he said Dorian would beat him but now he's somehow not stupid anymore it's great to see you try and use him now as a competent source lol I love that you are now reduced to clinging to his word when it was useless before
That's the best part
sorry brah, can't hear you over former Mr. Olympia Ronnie saying he would beat a prime Dorian. His words carry more weight than yours
Ronnie Coleman - MuscleMecca Forum Thread
Poster: "Ron, honestly who wins between Dorian at his best (1993/1995) vs you at your best (1999, ASC 01, Olympia 2003..etc)?"
Ronnie: "Comon man, you know 2003 cant be stopped."
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Funny%20GIFs/SmallPenor.gif)
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sorry brah, can't hear you over former Mr. Olympia Ronnie saying he would beat a prime Dorian. His words carry more weight than yours
Ronnie Coleman - MuscleMecca Forum Thread
Poster: "Ron, honestly who wins between Dorian at his best (1993/1995) vs you at your best (1999, ASC 01, Olympia 2003..etc)?"
Ronnie: "Comon man, you know 2003 cant be stopped."
Awwwwwww hypocrite who said you didn't care what Ronnie said , Ronnie's words carried more weight than yours ever did when he said he wouldn't beat Dorian and you called him an idiot & claimed he's not a judge ;)
You my stupid friend will NOT escape that and like Ronnie said Unless people are actually standing next to each other comparisons are kind of useless.
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Awwwwwww hypocrite who said you didn't care what Ronnie said , Ronnie's words carried more weight than yours ever did when he said he wouldn't beat Dorian and you called him an idiot & claimed he's not a judge
You my stupid friend will NOT escape that and like Ronnie said Unless people are actually standing next to each other comparisons are kind of useless
lol @ your reading comprehension. Ronnie was saying you had to see their physiques in person to judge who would win. You can't accurately tell who's better by comparing pictures of bodybuilders standing by themselves. Since Ronnie was actually there and saw both Dorian and himself at their respective prime, he can give an accurate assessment of who would win
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LMFAO@ ' checkmate ' people on that site don't even think it's Ronnie Coleman HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Ronnie is under contract from MuscularDevelopment and part of that is NOT posting on any other message boards , which is why Shawn Ray , Bob Chick , etc don't post here anymore
Sounds fishy
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lol @ your reading comprehension. Ronnie was saying you had to see their physiques in person to judge who would win. You can't accurately tell who's better by comparing pictures of bodybuilders standing by themselves. Since Ronnie was actually there and saw both Dorian and himself at their respective prime, he can give an accurate assessment of who would win
Laughing at your stupidity.
You said Ronnie is NOT a judge so his opinion is useless ;) boom strike one , you also said Ronnie's words means shit to you , strike two and you also said Ronnie isn't that smart ever hear the guy speak? stroke three you're out ;)
You CAN NEVER claim Ronnie can give an accurate assessment because you dismissed him when he said Dorian would beat him. You played yourself and that's even entertaining this is really Ronnie which seems fishy
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the meltdown continues ;D
Ronnie Coleman - MuscleMecca Forum Thread
Poster: "Ron, honestly who wins between Dorian at his best (1993/1995) vs you at your best (1999, ASC 01, Olympia 2003..etc)?"
Ronnie: "Comon man, you know 2003 cant be stopped."
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the meltdown continues ;D
Ronnie Coleman - MuscleMecca Forum Thread
Poster: "Ron, honestly who wins between Dorian at his best (1993/1995) vs you at your best (1999, ASC 01, Olympia 2003..etc)?"
Ronnie: "Comon man, you know 2003 cant be stopped."
Prove that's Ronnie Coleman ;)
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the meltdown continues ;D
Ronnie Coleman - MuscleMecca Forum Thread
Poster: "Ron, honestly who wins between Dorian at his best (1993/1995) vs you at your best (1999, ASC 01, Olympia 2003..etc)?"
Ronnie: "Comon man, you know 2003 cant be stopped."
Well in all fairness he never competed with Dorian ;) he was trampled at least Flex gave him a run for his money at his best
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Who gives a shit what Ronnie said?
Hahahahahahaha entertaining it's true Neo is now reduced to trying to fluff Ronnie up as a credible source when he was saying Dorian would smoke him he was , stupid , dumb , humble , wrong , he's no judge , hahahahahahahaha all the sudden he's supposed to be worth quoting
I don't care what Ronnie says b/c he's not a credible source.
Neo this is why you will NEVER be in my league kid , because you're a fucking idiot 8) ;)
This is the best part of all lol they now have to back peddle
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lol, you really think you found something new and exciting? I've always maintained from the beginning that Ronnie isn't a credible source. However, that never stopped you from posting Ronnie quotes in favor of Dorian. Even after I warned you about Ronnie's history of changing his mind, you still kept doing it. There was no reason for me to embargo myself while you kept posting Ronnie quotes. So when the day came when Ronnie said he had the best back and that he would beat Dorian at their best, you're damn right I posted the quote. You can thank yourself for that ;)
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Lights out! Game over!
Ronnie Coleman - MuscleMecca Forum Thread
Poster: "Ron, honestly who wins between Dorian at his best (1993/1995) vs you at your best (1999, ASC 01, Olympia 2003..etc)?"
Ronnie: "Comon man, you know 2003 cant be stopped."
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lol, you really think you found something new and exciting? I've always maintained from the beginning that Ronnie isn't a credible source. However, that never stopped you from posting Ronnie quotes in favor of Dorian. Even after I warned you about Ronnie's history of changing his mind, you still kept doing it. There was no reason for me to embargo myself while you kept posting Ronnie quotes. So when the day came when Ronnie said he had the best back and that he would beat Dorian at their best, you're damn right I posted the quote. You can thank yourself for that ;)
No quite the contrary my stupid friend , I didn't find anything new and exciting , it's YOU who thinks you did. I found out how dumb you were a long time ago by dismissing Ronnie but now you need him to be correct , you won't escape this kid EVER ;)
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Lights out! Game over!
Ronnie Coleman - MuscleMecca Forum Thread
Poster: "Ron, honestly who wins between Dorian at his best (1993/1995) vs you at your best (1999, ASC 01, Olympia 2003..etc)?"
Ronnie: "Comon man, you know 2003 cant be stopped."
This is lights out ;)
I don't care what Ronnie says b/c he's not a credible source.
I don't care what Ronnie says b/c he's not a credible source.
I don't care what Ronnie says b/c he's not a credible source.
I don't care what Ronnie says b/c he's not a credible source.
I don't care what Ronnie says b/c he's not a credible source.
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See the difference between you and I stupid Neo is , I always said just because Ronnie said it , doesn't make it so. What matters is what 12 judges say.
You on the other hand absolutely HATED that Ronnie would concede to Dorian and HATED it so much , you deemed his stupid , not bright , his IQ is shy of 3 digits . You swore up and down how he's not credible and his word means nothing and where are you now? trying to pass him off as credible LMMFAO and the best part is you don't even know if it's actually him , the people on that site are questioning him and part of being under contract with MD is you can't post on other message boards lol
Neo you look stupid , insanely stupid because now here you are lol trying to push Ronnie as a credible source , and even if it were true and that is him it still means NOTHING because like I always maintained , it only matters what 12 judges say ;)
So in the end you fucking lose either way ;)
thanks for playing.
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thick, dense muscle
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1DTmtc2GbPA/TzZ5m1C_auI/AAAAAAAAB4M/a02zwrHUXh8/s1600/Johnnie+O.+Jackson+(4).jpg)
nice lighting, let's see phil under the same conditions
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Unless people are actually standing next to each other comparisons are kind of useless.
Ouch forgot that one huh Neo? ;) sucker ;D
We know Ronnie stood next to Dorian many times , how did that work out for him? ;)
Ronnie had not even come close to reaching his potential when he stood next to Dorian!
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Where's Hulkster in all this ???
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Ronnie had not even come close to reaching his potential when he stood next to Dorian!
what's crazy to think about is an adolescent Ronnie matched Dorian in size at the 96 German GP where Dorian was near his heaviest contest weight. Now imagine how much bigger 03 Ronnie would look standing next to Dorian
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Ronnie had not even come close to reaching his potential when he stood next to Dorian!
Nonsense , Ronnie was close he was already 250lbs in 1996 around the same weight he was at his best 1998/2001 he was just missing the conditioning
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what's crazy to think about is an adolescent Ronnie matched Dorian in size at the 96 German GP where Dorian was near his heaviest contest weight. Now imagine how much bigger 03 Ronnie would look standing next to Dorian
He never matched Dorian for size in 96 , two big difference between being 250lbs like Ronnie 96 and being 250lbs like Dorian bone dry and rock hard
Ronnie 2003 would look soft & pregnant next to Dorian and a bunch of mixed and matched parts, Dorian never had a problem beating soft bigger guys
Ronnie NO matter what year wouldn't be as wide , or as dense and dry while carrying the most mass
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Nonsense , Ronnie was close he was already 250lbs in 1996 around the same weight he was at his best 1998/2001 he was just missing the conditioning
hypocrite much, no? Just a couple posts ago you were quoting Peter McGough on conditioning as if he spoke the truth. Now you conveniently ignore his comment about how you look much bigger when you're in better shape ::)
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
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He never matched Dorian for size in 96 , two big difference between being 250lbs like Ronnie 96 and being 250lbs like Dorian bone dry and rock hard
Ronnie 2003 would look soft & pregnant next to Dorian and a bunch of mixed and matched parts, Dorian never had a problem beating soft bigger guys
Ronnie NO matter what year wouldn't be as wide , or as dense and dry while carrying the most mass
never matched Dorian in size? lol, wut? Ronnie has bigger arms, delts, and quads. Even his pecs look bigger
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=453165.0;attach=498050;image)
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hypocrite much, no? Just a couple posts ago you were quoting Peter McGough on conditioning as if he spoke the truth. Now you conveniently ignore his comment about how you look much bigger when you're in better shape ::)
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
You're the last person on the internet who can accuse ANYONE of being a hypocrite ;)
Yes and that applies to Dorian as well which is why he always destroyed everyone , yes smaller sharp guys like Ray , bigger softer guys like Nasser
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
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never matched Dorian in size? lol, wut? Ronnie has bigger arms, delts, and quads. Even his pecs look bigger
You have NO clue who has bigger arms , delts and quads , NONE especially not unless you measured them , how does one ascertain who has bigger parts from a 2D picture? you're stupidity knows no bounds
And please pay attention Neo because you still can NOT seem to grasp a simple concept , PARTS DO NOT WIN CONTESTS poses do , after all these years you still think bigger parts means better bodybuilder , it doesn't
Dorian was eons better , Ronnie at his absolute best ( according to him and others ) just barely beat Flex Wheeler by 3 points yet this guy is supposed to beat Dorian who trampled Flex? lol keep dreaming Ronnie fan boys
Dorian would destroy Ronnie just like he did Flex and everyone else.
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You're the last person on the internet who can accuse ANYONE of being a hypocrite
Yes and that applies to Dorian as well which is why he always destroyed everyone , yes smaller sharp guys like Ray , bigger softer guys like Nasser
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning
what does that have to do with you contradicting yourself? My old comment has nothing to do with you quoting McGough when he says Dorian has better conditioning but then ignoring him when he says you look much bigger when you're supersharp.
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You have NO clue who has bigger arms , delts and quads , NONE especially not unless you measured them , how does one ascertain who has bigger parts from a 2D picture? you're stupidity knows no bounds
And please pay attention Neo because you still can NOT seem to grasp a simple concept , PARTS DO NOT WIN CONTESTS poses do , after all these years you still think bigger parts means better bodybuilder , it doesn't
Dorian was eons better , Ronnie at his absolute best ( according to him and others ) just barely beat Flex Wheeler by 3 points yet this guy is supposed to beat Dorian who trampled Flex? lol keep dreaming Ronnie fan boys
Dorian would destroy Ronnie just like he did Flex and everyone else.
sorry brah but size is objective. Ronnie matches Dorian in size but loses on conditioning. That's why Dorian won
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what does that have to do with you contradicting yourself? My old comment has nothing to do with you quoting McGough when he says Dorian has better conditioning but then ignoring him when he says you look much bigger when you're supersharp.
I never ignored that , I addressed it and said it applies to Dorian as well which is part of the reason why he dominated.
Ronnie supersharp and in shape is 247lbs , Dorian 257 or higher , with better balance & proportion and more complete
Ronnie 1998 249lbs super sharp and in shape just barely beat Flex by just 3 measly points , Dorian 257lbs in super shape in 1993 dominated Flex , he was so far ahead they didn't need to compare him the muscularity round
Dorian kicks Ronnie's ass at his best , Flex wasn't anywhere near as good in 98 as he was in 93 , so the domination of Ronnie would be even greater. Ronnie doesn't have anything for Dorian at his best , he just doesn't
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sorry brah but size is objective. Ronnie matches Dorian in size but loses on conditioning. That's why Dorian won
And you DO NOT know who is bigger based on a 2D pic , if you say you do you're stupid , and BIG difference between being 250 like Ronnie and soft & holding water than 250 like Dorian hard as nails and bone dry
Size without conditioning isn't size kid , learn the game.
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I never ignored that , I addressed it and said it applies to Dorian as well which is part of the reason why he dominated.
Ronnie supersharp and in shape is 247lbs , Dorian 257 or higher , with better balance & proportion and more complete
Ronnie 1998 249lbs super sharp and in shape just barely beat Flex by just 3 measly points , Dorian 257lbs in super shape in 1993 dominated Flex , he was so far ahead they didn't need to compare him the muscularity round
Dorian kicks Ronnie's ass at his best , Flex wasn't anywhere near as good in 98 as he was in 93 , so the domination of Ronnie would be even greater. Ronnie doesn't have anything for Dorian at his best , he just doesn't
wrong, try again. You said Ronnie in 96 was close in weight to his 98/01 ASC showing and therefore, the difference in size would be negligible while completely ignoring the difference in conditioning. Ronnie at the 01 ASC would make his 96 Mr. O physique look small
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And you DO NOT know who is bigger based on a 2D pic , if you say you do you're stupid , and BIG difference between being 250 like Ronnie and soft & holding water than 250 like Dorian hard as nails and bone dry
Size without conditioning isn't size kid , learn the game.
Size is objective. Ronnie has bigger arms, delts, pecs, and quads than Dorian in the pic of them standing next to each other
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=453165.0;attach=498050;image)
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wrong, try again. You said Ronnie in 96 was close in weight to his 98/01 ASC showing and therefore, the difference in size would be negligible while completely ignoring the difference in conditioning. Ronnie at the 01 ASC would make his 96 Mr. O physique look small
Good for him to bad he couldn't make Dorian look small ;) Ronnie 01 242-247lbs , Dorian 257lbs with better conditioning and balance and proportions , etc , etc , etc
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Good for him to bad he couldn't make Dorian look small Ronnie 01 242-247lbs , Dorian 257lbs with better conditioning and balance and proportions , etc , etc , etc
Ronnie already matched Dorian in size at 250 lbs with inferior conditioning. Ronnie at 257 lbs with 98/01 ASC conditioning would have no problem against Dorian. Now 03 Ronnie, on the other hand, would dwarf a 257 lbs Dorian
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Size is objective. Ronnie has bigger arms, delts, pecs, and quads than Dorian in the pic of them standing next to each other
Nice shot showing Ronnie flex and Dorian NOT still stupid for suggesting you can tell who has bigger parts based on a 2D pic LOL I love your stupidity ;D
Pssssssssssssssssstttttt tttttttttttttttttttt Neo FYI parts don't win contests ;)
from the ORIGINAL ( first posted see attached ) of Dorian fully flexed super-imposed with Ronnie fully flexed Dorian trampled him , wider by far Dorian is massive and in shape
Ronnie 1998 ( HIS BEST ) just barely beat Flex , Dorian destroyed Flex so Dorian would destroy Ronnie simple math , Ronnie 2001 is the same as 1998 , almost the same weight , so Dorian would destroy Ronnie 2001
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Ronnie at 250 lbs already matching Dorian in size yet according to ND, Ronnie with +30 lbs wouldn't look much bigger ::)
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Ronnie already matched Dorian in size at 250 lbs with inferior conditioning. Ronnie at 257 lbs with 98/01 ASC conditioning would have no problem against Dorian. Now 03 Ronnie, on the other hand, would dwarf a 257 lbs Dorian
Wrong
Unconditioned size is NOT size m vast difference between 250lbs soft & holding water , and 250lbs dense and dry , please learn how this game is played
Ronnie was never 257lbs with 98/01 conditioning so keep your fantasy
Ronnie 03 would look soft and out of shape next to Yates and a bunch of mis-matched parts , Dorian at 283lbs with eons better conditioning than Ronnie had at the same weight give-or-take
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ahahaha, ND already bringing offseason pics of Dorian into this discussion. That's how you can tell he's fighting a losing battle ;D
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jesus what size are his feet
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Ronnie at 250 lbs already matching Dorian in size yet according to ND, Ronnie with +30 lbs wouldn't look much bigger ::)
Oh he would look much bigger , much bigger quads and gut ;)
And he's not matching Dorian on size , stop trying to push that myth , 250lbs soft & holding water isn't matching someone 250lbs bone dry and rock hard
Strip Ronnie of all that fat & water and he's 240-247 lbs , Dorian is 10lbs heavier and one inch shorter , he also has better balance & proportion and he's more complete and his conditioning is still better than Ronnie's best ;)
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I never ignored that , I addressed it and said it applies to Dorian as well which is part of the reason why he dominated.
Ronnie supersharp and in shape is 247lbs , Dorian 257 or higher , with better balance & proportion and more complete
Ronnie 1998 249lbs super sharp and in shape just barely beat Flex by just 3 measly points , Dorian 257lbs in super shape in 1993 dominated Flex , he was so far ahead they didn't need to compare him the muscularity round
Dorian kicks Ronnie's ass at his best , Flex wasn't anywhere near as good in 98 as he was in 93 , so the domination of Ronnie would be even greater. Ronnie doesn't have anything for Dorian at his best , he just doesn't
He beat him by only 3 points because Ronnie was ignored in the first round. Once they saw Ronnie properly he won the next three rounds by perfect scores. Very poor argument.
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Oh he would look much bigger , much bigger quads and gut
And he's not matching Dorian on size , stop trying to push that myth , 250lbs soft & holding water isn't matching someone 250lbs bone dry and rock hard
Strip Ronnie of all that fat & water and he's 240-247 lbs , Dorian is 10lbs heavier and one inch shorter , he also has better balance & proportion and he's more complete and his conditioning is still better than Ronnie's best
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=453165.0;attach=498076;image)
even standing relaxed, you can tell Ronnie was already beginning to surpass Dorian in size in 96 :o
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ahahaha, ND already bringing offseason pics of Dorian into this discussion. That's how you can tell he's fighting a losing battle ;D
Wrong yet again fan boy , that's precontest ;) learn the difference
Losing battle ? how about posting a pic of Ronnie flexed and Dorian not? oppppsss you did that , who said Ronnie is a moron and not a credible source than tried to pass him off as one? oppppps you did that ;)
Ronnie at his best 1998 couldn't beat Flex , Dorian obliterated Flex , Dorian would trample Ronnie at his best
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He beat him by only 3 points because Ronnie was ignored in the first round. Once they saw Ronnie properly he won the next three rounds by perfect scores. Very poor argument.
WRONG he was not ignored in the first round , he was compared 9 times in the first round.
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Wrong yet again fan boy , that's precontest learn the difference
Losing battle ? how about posting a pic of Ronnie flexed and Dorian not? oppppsss you did that , who said Ronnie is a moron and not a credible source than tried to pass him off as one? oppppps you did that
Ronnie at his best 1998 couldn't beat Flex , Dorian obliterated Flex , Dorian would trample Ronnie at his best
sorry but Flex himself admitted that Ronnie is the best bodybuilder he ever competed against. Not Dorian ;)
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
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even standing relaxed, you can tell Ronnie was already beginning to surpass Dorian in size in 96 :o
You must learn stupid Neo , lots of guys surpassed Dorian in size , how many of those guys beat him? ;)
And Ronnie 1996 didn't touch Dorian in size , you're mistaken to think 250lbs out-of-shape is anything near Dorian , Ronnie was 255lbs in 1997 and in 9th place lol I wonder why?
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sorry but Flex himself admitted that Ronnie is the best bodybuilder he ever competed against. Not Dorian ;)
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
That means what? exactly? That Flex didn't push Ronnie at his absolute best to the limits? That Dorian crushed Flex easily and would do the same to Ronnie 1998?
Flex has an opinion and good for him , that has nothing to do with what transpired , you're getting frustrated because you can't counter that Ronnie at what he said was his best shape ever ( 1998 ) a shape he said he could NEVER again replicate only beat Flex by 3 points , Dorian would leave Ronnie at his best for dead and I'm talking Dorian 1993 , nevermind Dorian 1995 or at 269lbs
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WRONG he was not ignored in the first round , he was compared 9 times in the first round.
He was put third in the first round with 17 points, then won the next 3 rounds with perfect scores? He changed that much? He either wasn't oiled up properly (as said in the MM report) or they missed how good he was. You can't say he only won by three points saying it was close, he won three rounds with perfect scores. It wasn't close at all in condition just one fuck up of a round.
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That means what? exactly? That Flex didn't push Ronnie at his absolute best to the limits? That Dorian crushed Flex easily and would do the same to Ronnie 1998?
Flex has an opinion and good for him , that has nothing to do with what transpired , you're getting frustrated because you can't counter that Ronnie at what he said was his best shape ever ( 1998 ) a shape he said he could NEVER again replicate only beat Flex by 3 points , Dorian would leave Ronnie at his best for dead and I'm talking Dorian 1993 , nevermind Dorian 1995 or at 269lbs
too bad your opinion means crap. Flex wasn't talking about 98 so the judges scoring is irrelevant in this case. He was referring to Ronnie's 03 Mr. Olympia physique. Both Flex and Ronnie agree that 03 would beat Dorian at his prime
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Ronnie Coleman - MuscleMecca Forum Thread
Poster: "Ron, honestly who wins between Dorian at his best (1993/1995) vs you at your best (1999, ASC 01, Olympia 2003..etc)?"
Ronnie: "Comon man, you know 2003 cant be stopped."
http://musclemecca.com/kings-court-q-ronnie-coleman-296/big-ron-coleman-here-real-220513/index4.html
Boom. Game over ;)
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He was put third in the first round with 17 points, then won the next 3 rounds with perfect scores? He changed that much? He either wasn't oiled up properly (as said in the MM report) or they missed how good he was. You can't say he only won by three points saying it was close, he won three rounds with perfect scores. It wasn't close at all in condition just one fuck up of a round.
It was close and again he was compared NINE times in the first round. Ronnie knew it was close , Flex knew it , the whole industry did , Ronnie squeaked out a close call and they picked the right guy
Ronnie was lucky in 1998 lucky Flex did the Arnold and was in awesome shape and was spent Olympia time and lucky the judges didn't go with Flex on name alone.
Flex beat Ronnie 6 times in their careers , and Ronnie beat Flex 6 times both could beat each other , neither could beat Dorian
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It was close and again he was compared NINE times in the first round. Ronnie knew it was close , Flex knew it , the whole industry did , Ronnie squeaked out a close call and they picked the right guy
Ronnie was lucky in 1998 lucky Flex did the Arnold and was in awesome shape and was spent Olympia time and lucky the judges didn't go with Flex on name alone.
Flex beat Ronnie 6 times in their careers , and Ronnie beat Flex 6 times both could beat each other , neither could beat Dorian
way to completely ignore his post and then repeat the same nonsense. Ronnie could've been compared 1,000 times in the first round. It doesn't matter b/c he won the next 3 rounds with perfect scores. How do you explain that?
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too bad your opinion means crap. Flex wasn't talking about 98 so the judges scoring is irrelevant in this case. He was referring to Ronnie's 03 Mr. Olympia physique. Both Flex and Ronnie agree that 03 would beat Dorian at his prime
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Ronnie Coleman - MuscleMecca Forum Thread
Poster: "Ron, honestly who wins between Dorian at his best (1993/1995) vs you at your best (1999, ASC 01, Olympia 2003..etc)?"
Ronnie: "Comon man, you know 2003 cant be stopped."
http://musclemecca.com/kings-court-q-ronnie-coleman-296/big-ron-coleman-here-real-220513/index4.html
Boom. Game over ;)
too bad your opinion means crap. Flex wasn't talking about 98 so the judges scoring is irrelevant in this case. He was referring to Ronnie's 03 Mr. Olympia physique. Both Flex and Ronnie agree that 03 would beat Dorian at his prime
Too bad Ronnie's opinion means crap , according to you ;)
And again YOU don't even know if that's really Ronnie on that site LMAO some members on there don't believe it
03 = overrated compared to 98/01 hence why Ronnie and almost anyone with credibility says so
Dorian would make short work of Ronnie 03 ;)
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way to completely ignore his post and then repeat the same nonsense. Ronnie could've been compared 1,000 times in the first round. It doesn't matter b/c he won the next 3 rounds with perfect scores. How do you explain that?
I didn't dumb ass , who care if he won the next three rounds with a perfect score what was the FINAL SCORE genius?
Ronnie Coleman 32 - Flex Wheeler 35 , still to this day one of the closest Mr Olympia contests in history
Final score is all that matters and it says clearly it was close.
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I didn't dumb ass , who care if he won the next three rounds with a perfect score what was the FINAL SCORE genius?
Ronnie Coleman 32 - Flex Wheeler 35 , still to this day one of the closest Mr Olympia contests in history
Final score is all that matters and it says clearly it was close.
You argue pointless things. Ronnie beat Flex 6 times and Flex beat Ronnie 6 times? From the 1998 Mr.O onwards Flex never beat Ronnie because Ronnie got too good. They don't just beat each other back and forth, Ronnie was in his own league from 1998 the judges DID go with Flex's name in round one (and Nasser's) over Ronnie, then they saw they made a mistake.
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You argue pointless things. Ronnie beat Flex 6 times and Flex beat Ronnie 6 times? From the 1998 Mr.O onwards Flex never beat Ronnie because Ronnie got too good. They don't just beat each other back and forth, Ronnie was in his own league from 1998 the judges DID go with Flex's name in round one (and Nasser's) over Ronnie, then they saw they made a mistake.
No I don't you claimed he was overlooked in the first round , how is that pointless? in fact that is the point , he was compared 9 times in the first round. You have to know this.
Ronnie came into his own in 98 and Flex was on the down-slide by then , see his subsequent placings. Maybe Ronnie was marked down in the firs round because of the bitch tits , should the best built man on the planet have breasts? Maybe Flex was eons better in the symmetry round and started to fade in the subsequent rounds while Ronnie got sharper. all semantics because in the end it's still a close contest regardless of what rounds Ronnie won