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Title: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: blacken700 on December 30, 2012, 07:25:53 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-5
 
Of the top 15 murder rate states, all except #7 New York have Republican governors and lax gun laws. Florida and Alabama were not included because they did not report 2011 numbers to the FBI. If they did, they would have been included in the top murder rate states, and also with Republican governors and lax gun laws.
 
HIGHEST FIREARMS HOMICIDE RATES (per 100,000 population)

.1 10.16 Louisiana
.2 7.46 Mississippi
.3 5.41 South Carolina
.4 5.06 Michigan
.5 4.64 Missouri
.6 4.39 Arkansas
.7 4.12 New York
.8 3.97 Pennsylvania
.9 3.93 Georgia
10 3.92 Tennessee
11 3.86 North Carolina
12 3.64 Oklahoma
13 3.53 Arizona
14 3.54 Ohio
15 3.29 Indiana
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 07:36:55 AM
so at worst you have a .0001016 chance of getting killed with a gun?

yea.....

by the way, whats funny is the majority of those deaths are commited by ppl that generally vote libtard ;)
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 07:42:15 AM
so at worst you have a .0001016 chance of getting killed with a gun?

yea.....

by the way, whats funny is the majority of those deaths are commited by ppl that generally vote libtard ;)

How did you arrive at that conclusion ?
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 07:43:19 AM
How did you arrive at that conclusion ?
crime statistics

Voting statistics

;)
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 07:47:49 AM
crime statistics

Voting statistics

;)

great. 

post some links to support your claim or you're just talking out of your ass......as usual


Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 30, 2012, 07:57:30 AM
How did you arrive at that conclusion ?


Most comes are committed by urban beasts.  Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: blacken700 on December 30, 2012, 07:59:53 AM

Most comes are committed by urban beasts.  Hope this helps.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
what are you trying to say  :D :D
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 30, 2012, 08:02:09 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
what are you trying to say  :D :D

Take out the ghetto thug maggots and crime rates are very low.
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 08:03:26 AM
Take out the ghetto thug maggots and crime rates are very low.

aren't you a ghetto maggot?
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 30, 2012, 08:13:01 AM
aren't you a ghetto maggot?

You need a mod just for yourself.   
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 08:15:06 AM
great.  

post some links to support your claim or you're just talking out of your ass......as usual
LMFAO define hypocrisey for us again...

what races commit the most homicides?

how do those races normally vote?

Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 08:15:14 AM
You need a mod just for yourself.   

you've admitted you live in a ghetto and you admitted you do "collections" for cash and let's not forgot you claim to be a lawyer....what more of a definition of ghetto maggot do you need
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 08:20:32 AM
LMFAO define hypocrisey for us again...

what races commit the most homicides?

how do those races normally vote?



guess what race and gender are the most likely to be mass murderers

guess how that race and gender most often vote
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: MCWAY on December 30, 2012, 08:27:18 AM
guess what race and ethnicity are the most likely to be mass murderers

guess how that race and ethnicity most often vote

Loughner was a mass murderer. He's not a Republican. Neither was Lanza (as far as we know).

Black-on-black crime hardly gets the news coverage (even when it's mass murder, which occurs often) that shootings such as what occurred in Newton, CT and Tuscon, AZ do. That's because liberals can't get much political mileage out of it.

Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 08:31:22 AM
guess what race and gender are the most likely to be mass murderers

guess how that race and gender most often vote
LOL and those deaths make up what % of overall gun deaths?

hahahah face it bro...
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 08:44:27 AM
LOL and those deaths make up what % of overall gun deaths?

hahahah face it bro...

Ha ha ha.....yes mass murder is hilarious.

Guess which type of gun violence always gets the public riled up for more gun control?

is it the single incident you rarely ever hear about or is it the typical WHITE MALE who decides to use a gun to murder 26 innocent people in a matter of minutes..

i think gun nuts are missing the true cause of the public outcry for more gun control.

White Males
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: 240 is Back on December 30, 2012, 08:45:50 AM
LOL @ criminal voters showing up to vote obama, but law-abiding republicans staying home in 2012 so romney would lose.
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 08:50:23 AM
Loughner was a mass murderer. He's not a Republican. Neither was Lanza (as far as we know).

Black-on-black crime hardly gets the news coverage (even when it's mass murder, which occurs often) that shootings such as what occurred in Newton, CT and Tuscon, AZ do. That's because liberals can't get much political mileage out of it.



Lanza was supposed to be a free market, conservative libertarian type and Loughner shot a Democratic congressperson.   What was the political leaning of the shooter at the Sihk temple.

what else do all theses shooters have in common?
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 08:58:59 AM
Ha ha ha.....yes mass murder is hilarious.

Guess which type of gun violence always gets the public riled up for more gun control?

is it the single incident you rarely ever hear about or is it the typical WHITE MALE who decides to use a gun to murder 26 innocent people in a matter of minutes..

i think gun nuts are missing the true cause of the public outcry for more gun control.

White Males
doesnt change the fact that the majority of gun homicides are commited by what races?

and those races vote for who now?

so again youre more concerned with the number of deaths at one time then overall body count...brilliant!!!
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 09:02:06 AM
doesnt change the fact that the majority of gun homicides are commited by what races?

and those races vote for who now?

so again youre more concerned with the number of deaths at one time then overall body count...brilliant!!!


Also doesnt change the fact that it white male mass murderers that actually are the ones getting the public riled up about more gun control
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 09:17:15 AM
Also doesnt change the fact that it white male mass murderers that actually are the ones getting the public riled up about more gun control
typical libtard mentality emotions over facts...

Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 09:21:29 AM
typical libtard mentality emotions over facts...



Typical brain dead neotard who cant see the blatant facts right in front of his face.

find a way to stop white males from using guns to execute a bunch of innocent people in a matter of minutes and you'll stop all talk of the need for more gun control.
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 09:27:52 AM
Typical brain dead neotard who cant see the blatant facts right in front of his face.

find a way to stop white males from using guns to execute a bunch of innocent people in a matter of minutes and you'll stop all talk of the need for more gun control.
yea...b/c nobody talked about gun control prior eh?

gun control is a big topic in chicago, new york etc...how many mass killings by white ppl were done in those cities?

LMFAO youre getting all riled up b/c of facts? really?

take a breath brother, walk away from the computer for a minute, its going to be ok...I promise
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 09:30:53 AM
yea...b/c nobody talked about gun control prior eh?

gun control is a big topic in chicago, new york etc...how many mass killings by white ppl were done in those cities?

LMFAO youre getting all riled up b/c of facts? really?

take a breath brother, walk away from the computer for a minute, its going to be ok...I promise

Did you see any major push for more gun control in the last 4 years?

If white men would just stop committing mass murder the talk and political focus will die from lack of oxygen
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 09:32:39 AM
Did you see any major push for more gun control in the last 4 years?

If white men would just stop committing mass murder the talk and political focus will die from lack of oxygen
hahah simply b/c it wasnt front and center doesnt mean moronic libtards who dont understand that more gun laws wont do anything werent around.

Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: MCWAY on December 30, 2012, 09:47:06 AM
Lanza was supposed to be a free market, conservative libertarian type and Loughner shot a Democratic congressperson.   What was the political leaning of the shooter at the Sihk temple.

what else do all theses shooters have in common?

Supposed to be? Based on what, other than the left's near-orgasmic hope (every time this happens) that the guy is a right-winged conservative?

Loughner did shoot a Democratic congresswoman. So what? His best friend and ex-girlfriends told the press that he was hardly a conservative. This was, of course, after the media tried to pin this disaster on Palin and Limbaugh
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: MCWAY on December 30, 2012, 09:49:53 AM
Typical brain dead neotard who cant see the blatant facts right in front of his face.

find a way to stop white males from using guns to execute a bunch of innocent people in a matter of minutes and you'll stop all talk of the need for more gun control.

Typical brain dead liberal, who can't see facts and common sense in front of his face.

Mass murders are only a problem when white people commit them, because that's the only way libs can exploit tragedies to push their agenda. When black people shoot up each other or other races of people, it doesn't count.

And what law is going to keep people from stealing other people's legally-obtaine weapons (ala Lanza) and murdering people again?
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 10:00:02 AM
Supposed to be? Based on what, other than the left's near-orgasmic hope (every time this happens) that the guy is a right-winged conservative?

Loughner did shoot a Democratic congresswoman. So what? His best friend and ex-girlfriends told the press that he was hardly a conservative. This was, of course, after the media tried to pin this disaster on Palin and Limbaugh

Quote
just a guy who was a close friend of Lanza's mother and had met Lanza on several occasions (according to NBC)

Adam Lanza also was “an organic vegan” with a conservative worldview, he said.
“He was actually politically aware for a teenager,” he said. “… He was always very free-market economics and capitalism, as I think most people are in this country.”
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 10:01:45 AM
Typical brain dead liberal, who can't see facts and common sense in front of his face.

Mass murders are only a problem when white people commit them, because that's the only way libs can exploit tragedies to push their agenda. When black people shoot up each other or other races of people, it doesn't count.

And what law is going to keep people from stealing other people's legally-obtaine weapons (ala Lanza) and murdering people again?

feel free to show me that some other race and gender commits more mass murder using guns than white men

Anyone can see that it's these incidents that get the public and politicians riled up about gun control
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 10:14:26 AM
feel free to show me that some other race and gender commits more mass murder using guns than white men

Anyone can see that it's these incidents that get the public and politicians riled up about gun control
it gets emotional morons riled up, Ill give you that...

so again its not total body count, its the amount of ppl killed at one time thats important...brilliant!!!
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: MCWAY on December 30, 2012, 10:23:12 AM
feel free to show me that some other race and gender commits more mass murder using guns than white men

Anyone can see that it's these incidents that get the public and politicians riled up about gun control

EXACTLY!! These incidents get the public and politicians riled up about gun control, because the left (aided by the media) exploit them to push their gun control agenda.

Black men commit them on a regular basis. They're called STREET GANGS. Ever heard of drive-by shootings?

But, since the left can't make political hay out of black folk killing each other, the media gets mushed mouth about it.



Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: MCWAY on December 30, 2012, 10:26:32 AM
it gets emotional morons riled up, Ill give you that...

so again its not total body count, its the amount of ppl killed at one time thats important...brilliant!!!


And, it's about white people killing folks. That's the MAJOR reason the Trayvon Martin case got all the press. Of course, when evidence shows that Martin may have indeed assaulted Zimmerman first (coupled with the fact that Zimmerman is HISPANIC), the narrative of an evil white guy, shooting a poor black kid getting Skittles for his daddy's girlfriend's son, falls flat.

Black people shoot each other; WHO CARES? Latinos shoot each other or shoot blacks; WHO CARES?

White people shoot (fill in the blank).........TAKE THEM GUNS!!
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 11:36:14 AM
EXACTLY!! These incidents get the public and politicians riled up about gun control, because the left (aided by the media) exploit them to push their gun control agenda.

Black men commit them on a regular basis. They're called STREET GANGS. Ever heard of drive-by shootings?

But, since the left can't make political hay out of black folk killing each other, the media gets mushed mouth about it.

both black and white men commit gun violence on a regular basis and there are many people who have cited these incidents as a reason for some additional forms of gun regulation ( and the lack of regulation in some states is utterly astounding)

the reason the public pays attention is because they are horrified when they see a person (who almost always happens to be a white male) executing mass numbers of people in a matter of minutes and if you think it's only THE LEFT that are horrified by these things then you are simply not paying attention

Let me know the next time Fox News fails to cover one of these events

Shit, even a majority of NRA members want some additional regulations and I suspect that they tend to be more to the right on the political spectrum
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 11:41:17 AM
both black and white men commit gun violence on a regular basis and there are many people who have cited these incidents as a reason for some additional forms of gun regulation ( and the lack of regulation in some states is utterly astounding)

the reason the public pays attention is because they are horrified when they see a person (who almost always happens to be a white male) executing mass numbers of people in a matter of minutes and if you think it's only THE LEFT that are horrified by these things then you are simply not paying attention

Let me know the next time Fox News fails to cover one of these events

Shit, even a majority of NRA members want some additional regulations and I suspect that they tend to be more to the right on the political spectrum
black men commit gun violence at a much much greater rate then white men and you know thats a fact.

so again emotional morons getting riled up b/c mass killings take place once and a while but they dont care at all about the 99.9% of other gun violence that happens on a daily basis?

BRILLIANT!!!!!
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 11:47:43 AM
black men commit gun violence at a much much greater rate then white men and you know thats a fact.

so again emotional morons getting riled up b/c mass killings take place once and a while but they dont care at all about the 99.9% of other gun violence that happens on a daily basis?

BRILLIANT!!!!!

I don't know about MUCH greater but if you ever bothered to post a link when you make a claim I might actually consider your statements more seriously

You seem to not be aware of a trend in this country that has gone on for about 250 years or so that the public doesn't get as upset when a black person kills another black person or even when a black person is the victim of a crime

I congratulate you on your feeling that the public should be more aware and concerned about that black men commit gun violence

It seems that you're in favor of more gun regulation to prevent more gun violence by black men (and I guess to a lesser extent by everyone else)

What kind of regulation to you have in mind   
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 11:55:13 AM
I don't know about MUCH greater but if you ever bothered to post a link when you make a claim I might actually consider your statements more seriously

You seem to not be aware of a trend in this country that has gone on for about 250 years or so that the public doesn't get as upset when a black person kills another black person or even when a black person is the victim of a crime

I congratulate you on your feeling that the public should be more aware and concerned about that black men commit gun violence

It seems that you're in favor of more gun regulation to prevent more gun violence by black men (and I guess to a lesser extent by everyone else)

What kind of regulation to you have in mind   
LOL youre the one that asserted that white and black men commit gun homocides on a regular basis. cite your source and you will see much much greater % from the black men...

hahah on the contrary, I do that to point out the idiocy of the emotional morons that want gun legislation in response to one or two sociopaths going off.

It also serves to highlight the grand idiocy in their stance as we can see that stronger gun legislation has no effect on murder.

I.E. Chicago....
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 11:59:16 AM
LOL youre the one that asserted that white and black men commit gun homocides on a regular basis. cite your source and you will see much much greater % from the black men...

hahah on the contrary, I do that to point out the idiocy of the emotional morons that want gun legislation in response to one or two sociopaths going off.

It also serves to highlight the grand idiocy in their stance as we can see that stronger gun legislation has no effect on murder.

I.E. Chicago....


black and white men both commit gun violence on a regular basis

do you dispute that statement
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 12:03:38 PM
black and white men both commit gun violence on a regular basis

do you dispute that statement
define regular?

do you dispute that black men commit gun violence on a much greater scale than white men?
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 12:06:12 PM
define regular?

do you dispute that black men commit gun violence on a much greater scale than white men?

daily

I  can't agree with your second claim because you offer no proof whatsoever and you've provided absolutely no context or comparison of what "much greater" is

why don't you EVER post some sources when you make claims
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 12:13:43 PM
daily

I  can't agree with your second claim because you offer no proof whatsoever and you've provided absolutely no context or comparison of what "much greater" is

why don't you EVER post some sources when you make claims
LOL post your proof and it will also show you mine...

Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: WOOO on December 30, 2012, 12:17:05 PM
no surprises here
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 12:17:25 PM
LOL post your proof and it will also show you mine...

you asked me what my definition of regular was and I told you DAILY

how exactly I am supposed to show you proof of my opinion of the word regular

from now on if you make a claim (for example your claim that "black men commit gun violence on a much greater scale than white men") without source and context I will just assume you're just spit balling and have no proof or even any basic knowledge of what you're talking about

Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 12:19:24 PM
you asked me what my definition of regular was and I told you DAILY

how exactly I am supposed to show you proof of my opinion of the word regular

from now on if you make a claim (for example your claim that "black men commit gun violence on a much greater scale than white men") without source and context I will just assume you're just spit balling and have no proof or even any basic knowledge of what you're talking about
you claimed that black and white men commit gun violence on a daily basis, now please follow your own rule and post proof.
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 12:20:29 PM
you claimed that black and white men commit gun violence on a daily basis, now please follow your own rule and post proof.

just so I'm clear

you're disputing that both black and white men commit gun violence every day in this country?

Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 12:21:27 PM
just so I'm clear

you're disputing that both black and white men commit gun violence every day in this country?
not disputing it, Im not agreeing to it either.

So please post your proof
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 12:23:04 PM
not disputing it, Im not agreeing to it either.

So please post your proof

do you agree that gun violence happens daily in this country or do you neither agree or disagree with that as well
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 12:27:24 PM
absolutely I do
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 12:29:12 PM
absolutely I do

so the only part you're not sure about is that it is committed (in part) by both black and white men

you think perhaps it's only one race and not the other ?(of course we're ignoring woman of all races along with non- adults)

Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 12:31:38 PM
http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/gunviolence/factsethnicity

In 2007, the firearm death rate for African-Americans was 21.5 firearm deaths per 100,000 population. The second and third highest firearm death rates were among Whites (9.4), and American-Indian/Alaska Natives (9.0) (National Center for Injury Prevention and Control (NCIPC)).

African-American children and teens are almost five times as likely as their white peers to be killed by firearms (11.30 per 100,000 African-American youth vs. 2.31 per 100,000 white youth) (NCIPC)).

African-American males ages 15 to 19 are almost 5 times as likely as their white peers and more than twice as likely as their Hispanic or American-Indian/Alaska Native peers to be killed by firearms (Children's Defense Fund, p. 16, 2009).

In 2008, in addition to fatalities, 30,984 African-Americans were treated for firearm injuries in emergency rooms, followed with 19,338 Whites, and 16,903 Hispanics (other categories not detailed; rates not available) (NCIPC).

Id say that twice the amount of deaths is much greater especially as we already know the population make up % they have
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 12:51:37 PM
http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/gunviolence/factsethnicity

In 2007, the firearm death rate for African-Americans was 21.5 firearm deaths per 100,000 population. The second and third highest firearm death rates were among Whites (9.4), and American-Indian/Alaska Natives (9.0) (National Center for Injury Prevention and Control (NCIPC)).

African-American children and teens are almost five times as likely as their white peers to be killed by firearms (11.30 per 100,000 African-American youth vs. 2.31 per 100,000 white youth) (NCIPC)).

African-American males ages 15 to 19 are almost 5 times as likely as their white peers and more than twice as likely as their Hispanic or American-Indian/Alaska Native peers to be killed by firearms (Children's Defense Fund, p. 16, 2009).

In 2008, in addition to fatalities, 30,984 African-Americans were treated for firearm injuries in emergency rooms, followed with 19,338 Whites, and 16,903 Hispanics (other categories not detailed; rates not available) (NCIPC).

Id say that twice the amount of deaths is much greater especially as we already know the population make up % they have

amazing

you finally figured out to post a link supporting your position

I can see now why you think that gun violence by blacks is so important and a truly valid reason to support more legislation limiting access to guns and gun equipment

I also agree with you that it a shame the media doesn't focus on this as a reason for more gun legislation

Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 12:55:52 PM
amazing

you finally figured out to post a link supporting your position

I can see now why you think that gun violence by blacks is so important and a truly valid reason to support more legislation limiting access to guns and gun equipment

I also agree with you that it a shame the media doesn't focus on this as a reason for more gun legislation


LOL whats amazing is it took a link to actually prove to you when anybody with a tinge of common sense knows.

But then again you use emotion to come to you conclusions so I guess I shouldnt be surprised.

P.S. many of the gun deaths in regards to blacks take place where gun restrictions are very strict.

I.E. Chicago and NY

chicago just had their 500 shooting death of a black male for the year, If im not mistaken
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 01:01:53 PM
LOL whats amazing is it took a link to actually prove to you when anybody with a tinge of common sense knows.

But then again you use emotion to come to you conclusions so I guess I shouldnt be surprised.

P.S. many of the gun deaths in regards to blacks take place where gun restrictions are very strict.

I.E. Chicago and NY

chicago just had their 500 shooting death of a black male for the year, If im not mistaken


please post where I disputed it

All I asked you to do was source your claim
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 01:04:01 PM
please post where I disputed it

All I asked you to do was source your claim
why would you need a source if you knew the claim was right?

LMFAO
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 01:05:33 PM
why would you need a source if you knew the claim was right?

LMFAO

utterly stupid question but not surprising coming from you
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 01:07:57 PM
utterly stupid question but not surprising coming from you
LOL calm down bro, I know you got backed into a corner.

Again take a breath, walk away from the computer for a minute or two. Go outside and get some fresh air man, its all going to be ok.

Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 01:15:57 PM
LOL calm down bro, I know you got backed into a corner.

Again take a breath, walk away from the computer for a minute or two. Go outside and get some fresh air man, its all going to be ok.



LOL at backed into a corner

you're the one that claimed blacks commit a higher % of gun violence than whites and then needed proof that "both" black and white commit gun violence daily

your own statement proves that you already agreed that both black and whites commit gun violence or you would have said blacks "solely" commit gun violence

round and round in circles for something you de facto admitted in your own statement from the very beginning (I was wondering if you would ever notice this)

how about you just stop all the nonsense
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 01:19:48 PM
LOL at backed into a corner

you're the one that claimed blacks commit a higher % of gun violence than whites and then needed proof that "both" black and white commit gun violence daily

your own statement proves that you already agreed that both black and whites commit gun violence or you would have said blacks "solely" commit gun violence

round and round in circles for something you de facto admitted in your own statement from the very beginning (I was wondering if you would ever notice this)

how about you just stop all the nonsense
LOL so by your reasoning you needed proof that blacks commit much greater gun violence than whites...

LMFAO, BRILLIANT!!!!
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 01:42:07 PM
LOL so by your reasoning you needed proof that blacks commit much greater gun violence than whites...

LMFAO, BRILLIANT!!!!

hey dopey

try to pay attention next time

I said I couldn't agree with you because you offered no source or context

I don't know about MUCH greater but if you ever bothered to post a link when you make a claim I might actually consider your statements more seriously

You seem to not be aware of a trend in this country that has gone on for about 250 years or so that the public doesn't get as upset when a black person kills another black person or even when a black person is the victim of a crime

I congratulate you on your feeling that the public should be more aware and concerned about that black men commit gun violence

It seems that you're in favor of more gun regulation to prevent more gun violence by black men (and I guess to a lesser extent by everyone else)

What kind of regulation to you have in mind   

daily

I  can't agree with your second claim because you offer no proof whatsoever and you've provided absolutely no context or comparison of what "much greater" is

why don't you EVER post some sources when you make claims
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 01:52:23 PM
hey dopey

try to pay attention next time

I said I couldn't agree with you because you offered no source or context

LMFAO so again you needed proof of something that anybody with an iota of common sense already knew...

I already said that and you disagreed....

LOL whats amazing is it took a link to actually prove to you when anybody with a tinge of common sense knows.

But then again you use emotion to come to you conclusions so I guess I shouldnt be surprised.

P.S. many of the gun deaths in regards to blacks take place where gun restrictions are very strict.

I.E. Chicago and NY

chicago just had their 500 shooting death of a black male for the year, If im not mistaken

try and keep up and put down the alcohol broham its only 2 in california.
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 02:01:10 PM
LMFAO so again you needed proof of something that anybody with an iota of common sense already knew...

I already said that and you disagreed....
try and keep up and put down the alcohol broham its only 2 in california.

you believe a statistic about gun violence is common sense

ok

whatever you say

I'm a little more demanding and actual want some proof and context before I agree to such things

Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 02:02:40 PM
you believe a statistic about gun violence is common sense

ok

whatever you say

I'm a little more demanding and actual want some proof and context before I agree to such things
yea its common sense that blacks commit more gun violence than other races...

you been living under a rock?
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 02:34:05 PM
yea its common sense that blacks commit more gun violence than other races...

you been living under a rock?

maybe to you but I don't know that to be common sense

nor do I take ANYTHING you say at face value and that is common sense
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 02:37:17 PM
maybe to you but I don't know that to be common sense

nor do I take ANYTHING you say at face value and that is common sense
so if someone would have come up to you before I educated you on it and asked what race do you think commits the most gun violence in america?

you would have said "Iono"?

LMFAO wow congrats you just killed what little credibility you had in any talk about gun violence and control

you should probably educate yourself a little bit on subjects before ranting and raving about legislation for it....
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 02:58:49 PM
so if someone would have come up to you before I educated you on it and asked what race do you think commits the most gun violence in america?

you would have said "Iono"?

LMFAO wow congrats you just killed what little credibility you had in any talk about gun violence and control

you should probably educate yourself a little bit on subjects before ranting and raving about legislation for it....

ranting and raving?

are you kidding

btw - your point was that we need more gun legislation because of all the terrible gun violence by blacks and it's such a shame the media only focuses on mass murder events (almost always done by white men) and rarely covers the black gun violence

Isn't that the points you've been trying to make in this thread
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: tonymctones on December 30, 2012, 03:14:25 PM
ranting and raving?

are you kidding

btw - your point was that we need more gun legislation because of all the terrible gun violence by blacks and it's such a shame the media only focuses on mass murder events (almost always done by white men) and rarely covers the black gun violence

Isn't that the points you've been trying to make in this thread
yes ranting and raving...

LMFAO ahhh noooooo, Id like to see the post where I made that assertion.
Title: Re: Highest Firearms Murder Rate States - 14 of 15 have GOP Governors & lax gun laws
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2012, 07:59:47 PM
yes ranting and raving...

LMFAO ahhh noooooo, Id like to see the post where I made that assertion.

which assertion

ranting and raving or your concern about gun violence by black men and the need to do something to prevent it or make it less common?