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Americans moving to Canada in record numbers: report
According to a new report by CTV News, economic woes in the U.S. are driving a record number of Americans across the northern border as they seek better job opportunities and cheaper education in Canada.
In 2011, Ottawa approved 34,185 visas for U.S. residents — a figure that falls just short of the all-time record of 35,060 approved visas in 2010. By comparison, fewer than 20,000 Canadians moved to the U.S. over the past two years — the lowest number in nearly a decade.[ More Political Points: Is Calgary becoming the new Toronto? ]
It wasn't always this way.
When I was in university — back in the late 1990s — my economics professor asked how many of us intended to move to the United States. Almost all of us, fourth-year macroeconomics students, raised our hands.
It was the 'brain-drain' era: the American economy was strong and many of Canada's best and brightest were heading south to find work. Both the media and and politicians dubbed the exodus a crisis; studies were commissioned and papers were written.
But what a difference a decade makes.
"Since the 2008 economic crises, we have witnessed a steady stream of Americans applying for Canadian work visas," Canadian immigration attorney Michael Niren told Yahoo! Canada News in an email exchange on Thursday.
"The main reason for this is lack of employment in the U.S. and our strong Canadian dollar."
Niren says most Americans who come to Canada do so through the expedited "NAFTA visa" process which requires applicants to have a Canadian job offer in one of 63 recognized occupations. The U.S. has a similar temporary visa — the TN visa — for Canadians who want to work there.
For the time being, however, it appears Canada's brain drain has been plugged.
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WOW!!
320,000,000 Americans and your visas numbered 34,185.
Like the goddamn gold rush all over again.
Amazing
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WOW!!
320,000,000 Americans and your visas numbered 34,185.
Like the goddamn gold rush all over again.
Amazing
haha!
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They'll be sorry. It is damn cold in Canada, especially in the winter.
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All affluent people will leave the USA. It is going to become a hellhole.
http://www.freedomsledder.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=59832 (http://www.freedomsledder.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=59832)
Americans moving to Canada in record numbers: report
According to a new report by CTV News, economic woes in the U.S. are driving a record number of Americans across the northern border as they seek better job opportunities and cheaper education in Canada.
In 2011, Ottawa approved 34,185 visas for U.S. residents — a figure that falls just short of the all-time record of 35,060 approved visas in 2010. By comparison, fewer than 20,000 Canadians moved to the U.S. over the past two years — the lowest number in nearly a decade.[ More Political Points: Is Calgary becoming the new Toronto? ]
It wasn't always this way.
When I was in university — back in the late 1990s — my economics professor asked how many of us intended to move to the United States. Almost all of us, fourth-year macroeconomics students, raised our hands.
It was the 'brain-drain' era: the American economy was strong and many of Canada's best and brightest were heading south to find work. Both the media and and politicians dubbed the exodus a crisis; studies were commissioned and papers were written.
But what a difference a decade makes.
"Since the 2008 economic crises, we have witnessed a steady stream of Americans applying for Canadian work visas," Canadian immigration attorney Michael Niren told Yahoo! Canada News in an email exchange on Thursday.
"The main reason for this is lack of employment in the U.S. and our strong Canadian dollar."
Niren says most Americans who come to Canada do so through the expedited "NAFTA visa" process which requires applicants to have a Canadian job offer in one of 63 recognized occupations. The U.S. has a similar temporary visa — the TN visa — for Canadians who want to work there.
For the time being, however, it appears Canada's brain drain has been plugged.
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All affluent people will leave the USA. It is going to become a hellhole.
This is what the dummies are missing.
It's not about the number of immigrants or emigrants. It's the quality.
Silly americants playing the size game once again.
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This is what the dummies are missing.
It's not about the number of immigrants or emigrants. It's the quality.
Silly americants playing the size game once again.
Just do us a favor and take Piers Morgan and the other stupid cun ts like him up there too... Thanks a bunch, now fuck off.
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Just do us a favor and take Piers Morgan and the other stupid cun ts like him up there too... Thanks a bunch, now fuck off.
He keeps wagging the right like there's no tomorrow. It's funny to watch.
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He keeps wagging the right like there's no tomorrow. It's funny to watch.
yea, he keeps looking like a freaking butthead. His only glory moment was sitting there watching Alex Jones flip out. Other than that he's been owned by his guests. The guy is about to get his face tugged back to the orwellian shithole he came from.
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They'll be sorry. It is damn cold in Canada, especially in the winter.
good bye.
thanks for leaving us a job that one of our unemployed can now have.
please take your cars with you, too.
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Just do us a favor and take Piers Morgan and the other stupid cun ts like him up there too... Thanks a bunch, now fuck off.
Boom!
I actually can't believe he's still on.
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All affluent people will leave the USA. It is going to become a hellhole.
I doubt this, but I wouldn't mind moving to the French or German countryside. On the other hand, even though it is still the U.S. Hawaii seems pretty nice right now since it is winter were I live and somewhat dismal and cold.
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This is what the dummies are missing.
It's not about the number of immigrants or emigrants. It's the quality.
Silly americants playing the size game once again.
Why don't you tell us about Canada's open door policy when it came to immigrants for many years? I remember when I lived in Williams Lake B.C. that the locals absolutely despised all the East Indians who had moved there and lived in (if you can believe this) a ghetto outside of town. A friend of mine who is Canadian complains bitterly about the folks who immigrated from Somalia and, according to him, live off the dole and commit most of the crimes there. Yep, let's do move to Canada where we can freeze our asses off, pay twice what real estate is worth, have substandard healthcare and still face the same problems in Canada's cities as the U.S. has in theirs.
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Why don't you tell us about Canada's open door policy when it came to immigrants for many years? I remember when I lived in Williams Lake B.C. that the locals absolutely despised all the East Indians who had moved there and lived in (if you can believe this) a ghetto outside of town. A friend of mine who is Canadian complains bitterly about the folks who immigrated from Somalia and, according to him, live off the dole and commit most of the crimes there. Yep, let's do move to Canada where we can freeze our asses off, pay twice what real estate is worth, have substandard healthcare and still face the same problems in Canada's cities as the U.S. has in theirs.
Ouch, you know shit just got real when Primemuscle starts talking shit.
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Why don't you tell us about Canada's open door policy when it came to immigrants for many years? I remember when I lived in Williams Lake B.C. that the locals absolutely despised all the East Indians who had moved there and lived in (if you can believe this) a ghetto outside of town. A friend of mine who is Canadian complains bitterly about the folks who immigrated from Somalia and, according to him, live off the dole and commit most of the crimes there. Yep, let's do move to Canada where we can freeze our asses off, pay twice what real estate is worth, have substandard healthcare and still face the same problems in Canada's cities as the U.S. has in theirs.
i'd invite you to come visit but...
no homo
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So, we have a repressed gay Canadian who starts threads about 'record numbers', only to claim that quantity doesn't matter.
Yep...clearly the best and brightest are in Canada.
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They'll be sorry. It is damn cold in Canada, especially in the winter.
Hahaha, you got that right!
A friend of mine who is originally from Ontario, but has been living between Beverly Hills & Palm Springs, just recently came back to Ontario to visit his elderly grandmother. Less than 4 hours of arriving in Canada, he is screaming on Facebook about how cold it is. lol Poor guy. He went from 75 degrees in the shade, to subzero weather, and snow everywhere. I don't think he's handling the temperature difference very well. Good thing he didn't arrive a week ago when it was wicked cold in the minus 30 below range and wind gusts up to 73 km.
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Ouch, you know shit just got real when Primemuscle starts talking shit.
LOL, ya I'm finding this new twist rather hilarious myself.
Prime isn't exactly accurate, but what he lacks in accuracy, he makes up for with passion. :)
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So, we have a repressed gay Canadian who starts threads about 'record numbers', only to claim that quantity doesn't matter.
Yep...clearly the best and brightest are in Canada.
hahahah
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Hahaha, you got that right!
A friend of mine who is originally from Ontario, but has been living between Beverly Hills & Palm Springs, just recently came back to Ontario to visit his elderly grandmother. Less than 4 hours of arriving in Canada, he is screaming on Facebook about how cold it is. lol Poor guy. He went from 75 degrees in the shade, to subzero weather, and snow everywhere. I don't think he's handling the temperature difference very well. Good thing he didn't arrive a week ago when it was wicked cold in the minus 30 below range and wind gusts up to 73 km.
ontario is a huge province (roughly 3 times the size of california) and weather varies enormously throughout...
if he's bitching about the weather in southern ontario, he's just a pussy
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i'd invite you to come visit but...
no homo
Canada is a big country. Perhaps where you live is idealistic. Since I don't know where you live, it is difficult to comment on it. I live in a suburb of Portland, OR called West Linn. Most of the Portland metro area is a great place for anyone to call home. I suspect too much emphasis is put on troubled big cities like Detroit by the media. Detroit, Chicago,DC and NYC are not the norm though out the U.S. There are untold numbers of cities like Portland, which are great places to live from every aspect.
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LOL, ya I'm finding this new twist rather hilarious myself.
Prime isn't exactly accurate, but what he lacks in accuracy, he makes up for with passion. :)
Damn, this is disappointing because I value logic above passion.
I am not sure where I am not accurate since I am not stating anything as fact but simply opinion which is partially based on personal experience, albeit a long time ago experience. Williams Lake is probably very different today then it was almost 40 years ago. My friend who complains about immigrants from Somalia, is definitely a racist and one should take that under consideration when it comes to his observations.
The bottom line is it is wrong for anyone to make generalizations about things which they are not fully informed. Saying that the U.S. is such a hell hole that people are moving to Canada in droves to escape the U.S. is a huge generalization. From what I have heard, Canada has really tightened up their immigration laws. If this is so, I doubt any people from anywhere are not immigrating there in huge numbers.
Just so you know, I would like to immigrate to Southern France. However, I don't think I can afford to live there. It has nothing to do with not liking the U.S. I just think it would be fun to live somewhere different.
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ontario is a huge province (roughly 3 times the size of california) and weather varies enormously throughout...
if he's bitching about the weather in southern ontario, he's just a pussy
I have family who live in Albion, MI which is somewhat south of Ontario. The current temperature in Toronto is 19 F. The current temperature in Albion in 30 F. My cousins find this a bit cold, which is why they spend their winters in Florida where the current temperature is 78 F. No matter how you cut it, Ontario is cold.
Oh and just so you know, where I live, the current temperature is, 47 F and cloudy.
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I have family who live in Albion, MI which is somewhat south of Ontario. The current temperature in Toronto is 19 F. The current temperature in Albion in 30 F. My cousins find this a bit cold, which is why they spend their winters in Florida where the current temperature is 78 F. No matter how you cut it, Ontario is cold.
Oh and just so you know, where I live, the current temperature is, 47 F and cloudy.
Meh. Winter only increases my appreciation of summer.
Ideally though I'd like to live as a 'snow bird' and spend my winters somewhere warmer. But retirement is a long way off.
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In T.O in the summers it is so hot and humid you can;t fucking breath.
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In T.O in the summers it is so hot and humid you can;t fucking breath.
I've managed to survive... It's beautiful by the lake. That's where I spend every weekend.
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Why would a wealthy person move to Canada, where the government takes half of what you earn?
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Why would a wealthy person move to Canada, where the government takes half of what you earn?
A wealthy person typically has low income. They are wealthy.
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Doesn't Canada have socialized medicine, gay marriage, about 30% + population are atheists and very few legal limits on abortion
Weird that Americans would be moving there in record numbers when we are led to believe Americans are 90% christian conservatives and only voted for the black/communist/muslim because there wasn't a hardcore conservative to vote for in the last election
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Why would a wealthy person move to Canada, where the government takes half of what you earn?
Because in many places here now the thugs in the govt demand half too.
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Doesn't Canada have socialized medicine, gay marriage, about 30% + population are atheists and very few legal limits on abortion
Weird that Americans would be moving there in record numbers when we are led to believe Americans are 90% christian conservatives and only voted for the black/communist/muslim because there wasn't a hardcore conservative to vote for in the last election
must be a good thing then, they will need alot more ppl to tax to support that system
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1. they;ll never stay; their first Canadian winter will send the snow birds back to Sun City, Arizona.
2. if they do move they;ll never move to Quebec. They would have to learn French. Spanish is much easier.
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1. they;ll never stay; their first Canadian winter will send the snow birds back to Sun City, Arizona.
2. if they do move they;ll never move to Quebec. They would have to learn French. Spanish is much easier.
in response to your points:
1. untrue... many embrace the joys of winter (there is an upside, especially for people with kids)
2. many of the immigrants who arrive in quebec speak neither english nor french... free language course are provided http://www.cicnews.com/2012/05/global-quebec-la-belle-province-continues-shine-immigration-destination-051552.html (http://www.cicnews.com/2012/05/global-quebec-la-belle-province-continues-shine-immigration-destination-051552.html)
i was born in 'la belle province' and speak english/french/spanish... many other quebecois are also at least bilingual... this can be an attractive option when identifying where you want to raise your kids... speaking more than 1 language can give a person a leg up in life...
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... many other quebecois are also at least bilingual... this can be an attractive option when identifying where you want to raise your kids... speaking more than 1 language can give a person a leg up in life...
This is very true. Many Europeans speak multiple languages or at least a couple different languages. My daughter-in-law, who is German, speaks German, Russian, French and English fluently. Americans are not as motivated to learn other languages as some other folks are.
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in response to your points:
1. untrue... many embrace the joys of winter (there is an upside, especially for people with kids)
2. many of the immigrants who arrive in quebec speak neither english nor french... free language course are provided http://www.cicnews.com/2012/05/global-quebec-la-belle-province-continues-shine-immigration-destination-051552.html (http://www.cicnews.com/2012/05/global-quebec-la-belle-province-continues-shine-immigration-destination-051552.html)
i was born in 'la belle province' and speak english/french/spanish... many other quebecois are also at least bilingual... this can be an attractive option when identifying where you want to raise your kids... speaking more than 1 language can give a person a leg up in life...
what the fuk happend to you?
stalking posters the majority of the day on getbig only to be on the receiving end of one of getbigs biggest ownings.
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what the fuk happend to you?
stalking posters the majority of the day on getbig only to be on the receiving end of one of getbigs biggest ownings.
simpletons like you tend to have skewed points of view
this is one of those times
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simpletons like you tend to have skewed points of view
this is one of those times
what accounts for your skewed point of view?
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what accounts for your skewed point of view?
my hatred for simpletons
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my hatred for simpletons
ahhhh this explains the self hatred you have then
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ahhhh this explains the self hatred you have then
get real dumbo
i love myself more than life itself
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must be a good thing then, they will need alot more ppl to tax to support that system
you sound like an old man on his porch yelling to passer's by about this generation. "Canada might be doing well now, but watch out, these damn kids".
We don't need a lot more taxation, my province is booming like a mother fucker right now.
Republican economics don't work, trickle down is a farce.
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you sound like an old man on his porch yelling to passer's by about this generation. "Canada might be doing well now, but watch out, these damn kids".
We don't need a lot more taxation, my province is booming like a mother fucker right now.
Republican economics don't work, trickle down is a farce.
LMFAO what the fuck do you think govt taxation is other than trickle down?
hahahah you libtard moron canadians with your US obsession are fucking hillarious
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my hatred for simpletons
This pretty much sums things up:
So, we have a repressed gay Canadian who starts threads about 'record numbers', only to claim that quantity doesn't matter.
Yep...clearly the best and brightest are in Canada.
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what the fuk happend to you?
stalking posters the majority of the day on getbig only to be on the receiving end of one of getbigs biggest ownings.
Yeah, let's face it. He's got a lot of anger over that beatdown, lol.
Haven't had something that bad on here in years.
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lol at USA's inferiority complex.
Always needing to prove they have everything, they're the best, they're the strongest, etc... when they're really not. The US is f'd economically, hated internationally by every race, nation, religion the earth has and ravaging the earth, while destorying itself in the process.
OOOH america has more immigrants? REALLY? Well I guess we can 'trust' american statistics just as we can trust them in everything else including with money right? I bet people who come run away fast when they see what the US really is about.
The only thing I like about the US is the God created land, not the government or anything like it. You just happen to have so much beautiful diverse nature and environments from desert to mountains to green forestry etc... but that has nothing to do with the US in the first place but God's beauty :) Then again Canada has some awesome sites to see too just less variety.
Canada>USA
Hope this helps:
(http://canadachan.org/main/puck/src/127414962658.jpg)
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Yeah, let's face it. He's got a lot of anger over that beatdown, lol.
Haven't had something that bad on here in years.
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do you pick up his laundry and suck his cock too?
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do you pick up his laundry and suck his cock too?
Yeah, we get you're angry dude.
He shit all over you...made you clean it up with your mouth...then shit all over you again.
Take a week off, rest up, come back happy and less stressed.
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Yeah, we get you're angry dude.
He shit all over you...made you clean it up with your mouth...then shit all over you again.
Take a week off, rest up, come back happy and less stressed.
haha ive been telling him this for a while now, he needs to take a break and relax
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hahahaha...
statistically people on the right are for more likely to have stress issues...
i'm living the dream
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hahahaha...
statistically people on the right are for more likely to have stress issues...
i'm living the dream
yup starting thread after thread about a country you dislike and posters you cant stand on an American internet board.
Living the dream!!!!
hahahha
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yup starting thread after thread about a country you dislike and posters you cant stand on an American internet board.
Living the dream!!!!
hahahha
Good observation right here. It is easier for some people to criticize then it is for them to appreciate. It seems "in" to hate America these days. Heck, even many Americans do it.
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yup starting thread after thread about a country you dislike and posters you cant stand on an American internet board.
Living the dream!!!!
hahahha
Meltdown.
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Meltdown.
hahah start another thread about why dont you ;)
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Good observation right here. It is easier for some people to criticize then it is for them to appreciate. It seems "in" to hate America these days. Heck, even many Americans do it.
True. No doubt we bring some on ourself and some is completely unfounded. Not sure where I would draw the line, lol
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True. No doubt we bring some on ourself and some is completely unfounded. Not sure where I would draw the line, lol
To be honest, I think the media plays a huge roll in how the world feels about Americans. Some news channels report nothing but negative and often somewhat convoluted or fabricated news. Not only do Americans buy into this crap, so do other countries. It is expected that our enemies would say bad things about us, what isn't right is all the infighting....it makes Americans more vulnerable to criticism.
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To be honest, I think the media plays a huge roll in how the world feels about Americans. Some news channels report nothing but negative and often somewhat convoluted or fabricated news. Not only do Americans buy into this crap, so do other countries. It is expected that our enemies would say bad things about us, what isn't right is all the infighting....it makes Americans more vulnerable to criticism.
fair point, but manifest destiny is at the root of most of americant's image issues...
america's foreign policy hasn't been very friendly since bretton woods
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Good observation right here. It is easier for some people to criticize then it is for them to appreciate. It seems "in" to hate America these days. Heck, even many Americans do it.
Maybe they're ONto something and you're just lagging behind.
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Maybe they're ONto something and you're just lagging behind.
;D
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To be honest, I think the media plays a huge roll in how the world feels about Americans. Some news channels report nothing but negative and often somewhat convoluted or fabricated news. Not only do Americans buy into this crap, so do other countries. It is expected that our enemies would say bad things about us, what isn't right is all the infighting....it makes Americans more vulnerable to criticism.
Are you being serious or are you being cynical? Or are you just that naive and unaware?
Most of the mainstream media is owned and run by western owned lobbyists who lobby the US government. "Free press" is a lie. Since before and after 911, all the 'information' has been spoon fed from the white house and pentagon into all 'mainstream' western media.
Basically 'journalism' has been turned into absolute state propaganda and has been worse and worse since.
Anyone who does ACTUAL journalism is deemed a looney, terrorist sympathizer or 'conspiracy theorist' or a nut. Nazi style hardcore.
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yup starting thread after thread about a country you dislike and posters you cant stand on an American internet board.
Living the dream!!!!
hahahha
It's like that one guy on here said... Everyone criticizes the most beautiful girl in the room (lady liberty). No one has anything to say about all the other mediocre people.
This is an American (U.S.) forum after all... haha;D
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fair point, but manifest destiny is at the root of most of americant's image issues...
america's foreign policy hasn't been very friendly since bretton woods
Canada is right there with the United States, we do this stuff on behalf (and with the support of) the first world as a whole. We're the ones actually getting our hands dirty though, so we take the brunt of the criticism.
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Maybe they're ONto something and you're just lagging behind.
I am not lagging behind and I am not into self hate. I am American.
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A wealthy person typically has low income. They are wealthy.
Uh, no. A wealthy American typically has high income and often that income is residual income. (That said, high income doesn't necessarily = wealth.)
One of the ways Americans become wealthy is reducing their tax burden. Would make no sense for those same persons to move to a place like Canada with incredibly high taxes.
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Uh, no. A wealthy American typically has high income and often that income is residual income. (That said, high income doesn't necessarily = wealth.)
One of the ways Americans become wealthy is reducing their tax burden. Would make no sense for those same persons to move to a place like Canada with incredibly high taxes.
Don't confuse rich (the American dream) with wealthy.
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Don't confuse rich (the American dream) with wealthy.
What's the difference between "rich" and "wealthy"?
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What's the difference between "rich" and "wealthy"?
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You distinguish "rich" from "wealthy" based on a stand-up comic routine by Chris Rock?
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You distinguish "rich" from "wealthy" based on a stand-up comic routine by Chris Rock?
dude
you need to enjoy life a little
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Americans moving to Canada in record numbers: report
According to a new report by CTV News, economic woes in the U.S. are driving a record number of Americans across the northern border as they seek better job opportunities and cheaper education in Canada.
In 2011, Ottawa approved 34,185 visas for U.S. residents — a figure that falls just short of the all-time record of 35,060 approved visas in 2010. By comparison, fewer than 20,000 Canadians moved to the U.S. over the past two years — the lowest number in nearly a decade.[ More Political Points: Is Calgary becoming the new Toronto? ]
It wasn't always this way.
When I was in university — back in the late 1990s — my economics professor asked how many of us intended to move to the United States. Almost all of us, fourth-year macroeconomics students, raised our hands.
It was the 'brain-drain' era: the American economy was strong and many of Canada's best and brightest were heading south to find work. Both the media and and politicians dubbed the exodus a crisis; studies were commissioned and papers were written.
But what a difference a decade makes.
"Since the 2008 economic crises, we have witnessed a steady stream of Americans applying for Canadian work visas," Canadian immigration attorney Michael Niren told Yahoo! Canada News in an email exchange on Thursday.
"The main reason for this is lack of employment in the U.S. and our strong Canadian dollar."
Niren says most Americans who come to Canada do so through the expedited "NAFTA visa" process which requires applicants to have a Canadian job offer in one of 63 recognized occupations. The U.S. has a similar temporary visa — the TN visa — for Canadians who want to work there.
For the time being, however, it appears Canada's brain drain has been plugged.
It's cheap there because it sucks... Was 75 here today at the beach :)
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It's cheap there because it sucks... Was 75 here today at the beach :)
musta been nice... it was 32F here today but the wind was icy...
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dude
you need to enjoy life a little
So you're sticking with Chris Rock to support this?
Don't confuse rich (the American dream) with wealthy.
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So you're sticking with Chris Rock to support this?
Well I'm too lazy to build my case any further. I was just playing with semantics.
And Chris rock is funny.
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Well I'm too lazy to build my case any further. I was just playing with semantics.
And Chris rock is funny.
Has anyone ever heard the term nouveau wealthy? Of course not, because the term is nouveau riche; meaning new rich (describes rich people who acquired their money within their own generations; the equivalent English term is (the) new rich or new money (in contrast with "old money"). Sociologically, nouveau riche describes the man or woman who previously had belonged to a lower social class and economic stratum (rank) within that class).
Social status is defined in relation to wealth, and the power granted by the wealth. The Nouveau riche man and woman are juxtaposed against wealthy people of the Old Money social class; and with trans-generational, inherited wealth, in order to highlight the cultural, value system and societal differences, between the two social groups within the class.
The bottom line is that money cannot buy you class.
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Well I'm too lazy to build my case any further. I was just playing with semantics.
And Chris rock is funny.
Yes, you were. Thanks for acknowledging that.
And yes, Chris Rock is funny. :)
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Has anyone ever heard the term nouveau wealthy? Of course not, because the term is nouveau riche; meaning new rich (describes rich people who acquired their money within their own generations; the equivalent English term is (the) new rich or new money (in contrast with "old money"). Sociologically, nouveau riche describes the man or woman who previously had belonged to a lower social class and economic stratum (rank) within that class).
Social status is defined in relation to wealth, and the power granted by the wealth. The Nouveau riche man and woman are juxtaposed against wealthy people of the Old Money social class; and with trans-generational, inherited wealth, in order to highlight the cultural, value system and societal differences, between the two social groups within the class.
The bottom line is that money cannot buy you class.
Truth.
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Truth.
Class is a false and elitist concept.
We might as well debate castes.
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^Lol truth
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Class is a false and elitist concept.
We might as well debate castes.
Anyone can be classy. There are a lot of not so classy folks who have money and plenty of people with class who have modest incomes. If class is elitist, at least it is open to anyone who desires it.
With celebrities standing in for role models and most reality show participants, class would appear to be a lost art. Fortunately, there are still a lot of classy folks who stay out of the media and who lead high class lives.
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Anyone can be classy. There are a lot of not so classy folks who have money and plenty of people with class who have modest incomes. If class is elitist, at least it is open to anyone who desires it.
With celebrities standing in for role models and most reality show participants, class would appear to be a lost art. Fortunately, there are still a lot of classy folks who stay out of the media and who lead high class lives.
I think you missed my point.
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I think you missed my point.
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Well then help me out, what was your point?
You said class was a false and elitist concept. I took that to mean you don't agree that some folks are classier than others and that class is just a social construct to set people apart, like the caste system in India. I say anyone can have class, it isn't a birth right or something you can buy. It has to do with how you choose to conduct yourself in the company of others and how view yourself.
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Well then help me out, what was your point?
You said class was a false and elitist concept. I took that to mean you don't agree that some folks are classier than others and that class is just a social construct to set people apart, like the caste system in India. I say anyone can have class, it isn't a birth right or something you can buy. It has to do with how you choose to conduct yourself in the company of others and how view yourself.
I reject the entire concept. I'd puke on anyone who thinks that they have class if I actually cared enough to do so.
We're all just slightly evolved monkeys eaking out insignificant lives for an infantesimally small amount of time relative to time itself.
We're all worm meat regardless of what labels we apply to ourselves in life.
Live and be happy.
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I reject the entire concept. I'd puke on anyone who thinks that they have class if I actually cared enough to do so.
We're all just slightly evolved monkeys eaking out insignificant lives for an infantesimally small amount of time relative to time itself.
We're all worm meat regardless of what labels we apply to ourselves in life.
Live and be happy.
So why are you so obsessed with the United States? ???
It's almost like Uncle Sam fucked your mother. It's aboot time you got over it hoser.
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So why are you so obsessed with the United States? ???
It's almost like Uncle Sam fucked your mother. It's aboot time you got over it hoser.
hahaha indeed
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So why are you so obsessed with the United States? ???
It's almost like Uncle Sam fucked your mother. It's aboot time you got over it hoser.
hahaha indeed
as often gets pointed out to me (usually as justification for stupidity), this is an american forum
i try to stay on topic
don't have a meltdown
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as often gets pointed out to me (usually as justification for stupidity), this is an american forum
i try to stay on topic
don't have a meltdown
as I often tell you(generally as a way to get you to understand your idiocy doesnt matter) this is an american forum
now run along troll boy, you spend more time on here than the ppl you start threads about and then end up getting fucked in. LOL
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as I often tell you(generally as a way to get you to understand your idiocy doesnt matter) this is an american forum
now run along troll boy, you spend more time on here than the ppl you start threads about and then end up getting fucked in. LOL
thanks for the life advice... i'll be sure to validate the source prior to leveraging it
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thanks for the life advice... i'll be sure to validate the source prior to leveraging it
Anytime , feel free and bonus no need to start another thread that will be remembered on getbif as one its biggest openings of all time there is already plenty of info about me out there
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Anytime , feel free and bonus no need to start another thread that will be remembered on getbif as one its biggest openings of all time there is already plenty of info about me out there
getbif forever
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getbif forever
Lol stupid autocorrect, and it was supposed to be ownings not openings all though he did open you up when he ripped you a new ass hole in that epic thread backfire you created
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http://www.indexmundi.com/map/?t=0&v=27&r=na&l=en (http://www.indexmundi.com/map/?t=0&v=27&r=na&l=en)
Neat site showing net immigration numbers by country... while americant gets a lot of immigrants, many of them (250k+/year) emigrate)...
North America
Country Name Net migration rate (migrant(s)/1,000 population) Year of Estimate
Canada 6 2012
United States 4 2012
Mexico -3 2012
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What's the population of Canada?
Those numbers are per 1000 population.
Not that it matters, yea Canada gets more immigrants per capita than the US. Who fucking cares?
The US is packed as it is, you seem to think that losing ppl who have money is bad and in the short run it may be but you see in capitalism someone will step up and fill the void they left. I can understand your confusion as you're not familiar with that concept but where there is opportunity ppl will rise.
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What's the population of Canada?
Those numbers are per 1000 population.
Not that it matters, yea Canada gets more immigrants per capita than the US. Who fucking cares?
The US is packed as it is, you seem to think that losing ppl who have money is bad and in the short run it may be but you see in capitalism someone will step up and fill the void they left. I can understand your confusion as you're not familiar with that concept but where there is opportunity ppl will rise.
Tony. You are so simpleminded that you should be marketed as "getbigger for 5-8 year olds."
If you don't care what I think then fuck off and get a life.
You have 195 days on this site. That's sick.
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I reject the entire concept. I'd puke on anyone who thinks that they have class if I actually cared enough to do so.
We're all just slightly evolved monkeys eaking out insignificant lives for an infantesimally small amount of time relative to time itself.
We're all worm meat regardless of what labels we apply to ourselves in life.
Live and be happy.
Clearly, you and I have different concepts of what constitutes class.
Class is treating everyone with equal dignity and respect. Rudyard Kipling said that class "can walk with kings and keep its virtue and talk with crowds and keep the common touch." Class never tries to build itself up by tearing others down. Class is a cocoon of values: commitment, respect for learning, respect for accomplishments, respect for feelings of others.
"Class" is style, wit, manners, intelligence, the type of people one spends time with.
Class is all in how you come across, how you present and express yourself. If you have to tell people that you're classy, you've already defeated the purpose.
Some ways to show class:
1. Be Authentic. If you have class, live in a way of which you should be proud. If you have to be phony and deceptive then you should consider why. A person of honor and integrity never needs to hide behind a facade. If you can't show your true self to the world then who will people see?
2. Be independent. You must be courteous, but do not bend over backward to please others. If you do, you may find yourself being taken advantage of in the future. Limit your time and availability and draw boundaries with others so that they are aware of your limits.
3. Be assertive. Avoid passive-aggressive thinking; this is likely to trip you up eventually. Assertiveness demonstrates maturity, thoughtfulness, and confidence. Class requires balance, and assertiveness is a prime example of this concept.
4. Don't feign knowledge. When your group or date are speaking about a subject you don't know or understand it is prudent to either state that you don't know much about the subject at hand, or if you want to carry the conversation, ask for more information about the subject. Not only does this show maturity, but it also shows that you are keeping an open mind.
5. Treat others the way you would want to be treated. The Golden Rule truly is a time honored guide for treating adults and children with class. Giving others advance notice before cancelling dinner invitations, speaking up for those who cannot stand up for themselves, calling your parents to update them on yourself, checking in with friends; these are all simple gestures that demonstrate your class and authenticity. Ensure you choose friends who share your values.
6. Do not insult, gossip, or slander. When necessary, voice your opinions appropriately and constructively. This encourages your audience to listen carefully when you speak.
It has been my experience that knowing how to have class is the easy part. Doing what it takes to show class in any given situation is the hard part, where I have very often failed.
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Clearly, you and I have different concepts of what constitutes class.
Class is treating everyone with equal dignity and respect. Rudyard Kipling said that class "can walk with kings and keep its virtue and talk with crowds and keep the common touch." Class never tries to build itself up by tearing others down. Class is a cocoon of values: commitment, respect for learning, respect for accomplishments, respect for feelings of others.
"Class" is style, wit, manners, intelligence, the type of people one spends time with.
Class is all in how you come across, how you present and express yourself. If you have to tell people that you're classy, you've already defeated the purpose.
Some ways to show class:
1. Be Authentic. If you have class, live in a way of which you should be proud. If you have to be phony and deceptive then you should consider why. A person of honor and integrity never needs to hide behind a facade. If you can't show your true self to the world then who will people see?
2. Be independent. You must be courteous, but do not bend over backward to please others. If you do, you may find yourself being taken advantage of in the future. Limit your time and availability and draw boundaries with others so that they are aware of your limits.
3. Be assertive. Avoid passive-aggressive thinking; this is likely to trip you up eventually. Assertiveness demonstrates maturity, thoughtfulness, and confidence. Class requires balance, and assertiveness is a prime example of this concept.
4. Don't feign knowledge. When your group or date are speaking about a subject you don't know or understand it is prudent to either state that you don't know much about the subject at hand, or if you want to carry the conversation, ask for more information about the subject. Not only does this show maturity, but it also shows that you are keeping an open mind.
5. Treat others the way you would want to be treated. The Golden Rule truly is a time honored guide for treating adults and children with class. Giving others advance notice before cancelling dinner invitations, speaking up for those who cannot stand up for themselves, calling your parents to update them on yourself, checking in with friends; these are all simple gestures that demonstrate your class and authenticity. Ensure you choose friends who share your values.
6. Do not insult, gossip, or slander. When necessary, voice your opinions appropriately and constructively. This encourages your audience to listen carefully when you speak.
It has been my experience that knowing how to have class is the easy part. Doing what it takes to show class in any given situation is the hard part, where I have very often failed.
I like it. :)
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Tony. You are so simpleminded that you should be marketed as "getbigger for 5-8 year olds."
If you don't care what I think then fuck off and get a life.
You have 195 days on this site. That's sick.
hahaa sorry woo I didnt mean to make you melt bro, troll on moron
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Clearly, you and I have different concepts of what constitutes class.
Class is treating everyone with equal dignity and respect. Rudyard Kipling said that class "can walk with kings and keep its virtue and talk with crowds and keep the common touch." Class never tries to build itself up by tearing others down. Class is a cocoon of values: commitment, respect for learning, respect for accomplishments, respect for feelings of others.
"Class" is style, wit, manners, intelligence, the type of people one spends time with.
Class is all in how you come across, how you present and express yourself. If you have to tell people that you're classy, you've already defeated the purpose.
Some ways to show class:
1. Be Authentic. If you have class, live in a way of which you should be proud. If you have to be phony and deceptive then you should consider why. A person of honor and integrity never needs to hide behind a facade. If you can't show your true self to the world then who will people see?
2. Be independent. You must be courteous, but do not bend over backward to please others. If you do, you may find yourself being taken advantage of in the future. Limit your time and availability and draw boundaries with others so that they are aware of your limits.
3. Be assertive. Avoid passive-aggressive thinking; this is likely to trip you up eventually. Assertiveness demonstrates maturity, thoughtfulness, and confidence. Class requires balance, and assertiveness is a prime example of this concept.
4. Don't feign knowledge. When your group or date are speaking about a subject you don't know or understand it is prudent to either state that you don't know much about the subject at hand, or if you want to carry the conversation, ask for more information about the subject. Not only does this show maturity, but it also shows that you are keeping an open mind.
5. Treat others the way you would want to be treated. The Golden Rule truly is a time honored guide for treating adults and children with class. Giving others advance notice before cancelling dinner invitations, speaking up for those who cannot stand up for themselves, calling your parents to update them on yourself, checking in with friends; these are all simple gestures that demonstrate your class and authenticity. Ensure you choose friends who share your values.
6. Do not insult, gossip, or slander. When necessary, voice your opinions appropriately and constructively. This encourages your audience to listen carefully when you speak.
It has been my experience that knowing how to have class is the easy part. Doing what it takes to show class in any given situation is the hard part, where I have very often failed.
I like your definition.
I wish I lived in a world where people had that kind of class...
Well. Maybe. Really I guess I don't care (maybe this is a cop out).
There's no higher meaning to me.
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Clearly, you and I have different concepts of what constitutes class.
Class is treating everyone with equal dignity and respect. Rudyard Kipling said that class "can walk with kings and keep its virtue and talk with crowds and keep the common touch." Class never tries to build itself up by tearing others down. Class is a cocoon of values: commitment, respect for learning, respect for accomplishments, respect for feelings of others.
"Class" is style, wit, manners, intelligence, the type of people one spends time with.
Class is all in how you come across, how you present and express yourself. If you have to tell people that you're classy, you've already defeated the purpose.
Some ways to show class:
1. Be Authentic. If you have class, live in a way of which you should be proud. If you have to be phony and deceptive then you should consider why. A person of honor and integrity never needs to hide behind a facade. If you can't show your true self to the world then who will people see?
2. Be independent. You must be courteous, but do not bend over backward to please others. If you do, you may find yourself being taken advantage of in the future. Limit your time and availability and draw boundaries with others so that they are aware of your limits.
3. Be assertive. Avoid passive-aggressive thinking; this is likely to trip you up eventually. Assertiveness demonstrates maturity, thoughtfulness, and confidence. Class requires balance, and assertiveness is a prime example of this concept.
4. Don't feign knowledge. When your group or date are speaking about a subject you don't know or understand it is prudent to either state that you don't know much about the subject at hand, or if you want to carry the conversation, ask for more information about the subject. Not only does this show maturity, but it also shows that you are keeping an open mind.
5. Treat others the way you would want to be treated. The Golden Rule truly is a time honored guide for treating adults and children with class. Giving others advance notice before cancelling dinner invitations, speaking up for those who cannot stand up for themselves, calling your parents to update them on yourself, checking in with friends; these are all simple gestures that demonstrate your class and authenticity. Ensure you choose friends who share your values.
6. Do not insult, gossip, or slander. When necessary, voice your opinions appropriately and constructively. This encourages your audience to listen carefully when you speak.
It has been my experience that knowing how to have class is the easy part. Doing what it takes to show class in any given situation is the hard part, where I have very often failed.
Very nice!
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http://www.indexmundi.com/map/?t=0&v=27&r=na&l=en (http://www.indexmundi.com/map/?t=0&v=27&r=na&l=en)
Neat site showing net immigration numbers by country... while americant gets a lot of immigrants, many of them (250k+/year) emigrate)...
North America
Country Name Net migration rate (migrant(s)/1,000 population) Year of Estimate
Canada 6 2012
United States 4 2012
Mexico -3 2012
Well sir, be that as it may, Canada is still irrelevant. Clearly you're just lashing out because no one gives a damn about your country, implying we care because a bunch of Murricans' decided they couldn't hack it in the US and fled like bitches.
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Well sir, be that as it may, Canada is still irrelevant. Clearly you're just lashing out because no one gives a damn about your country, implying we care because a bunch of Murricans' decided they couldn't hack it in the US and fled like bitches.
Canada is NOT irrelevant, though we try like the dickens to fly under the radar.
The entire WORLD is shifting from a fiat paper economy to a resource based economy with money backed by GOLD, SILVER & OIL, ...possibly even WATER.
I'm not sure if it's going to be such a fun experience to be such a rich country next door to what is soon to be a third world country ...with so much fire power. The only consolation or comforting factor in all of this is the fact that all hell appears to be about to break loose in the USA, and the military will be too pre-occupied in quelling uprisings from amongst their own citizens to be invading us... just like in 1867. While you'all were fighting amongst yourselves... Canada was busy consolidating & confederating from coast-to-coast.
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Canada is NOT irrelevant, though we try like the dickens to fly under the radar.
The entire WORLD is shifting from a fiat paper economy to a resource based economy with money backed by GOLD, SILVER & OIL, ...possibly even WATER.
I'm not sure if it's going to be such a fun experience to be such a rich country next door to what is soon to be a third world country ...with so much fire power. The only consolation or comforting factor in all of this is the fact that all hell appears to be about to break loose in the USA, and the military will be too pre-occupied in quelling uprisings from amongst their own citizens to be invading us... just like in 1867. While you'all were fighting amongst yourselves... Canada was busy consolidating & confederating from coast-to-coast.
don't forget August 24th, 1814 when after the Battle of Bladensburg British colonial forces burned the city of Washington, including the original White House, to the ground....
love that chapter of history... it was all really due to 1 man... Napolean was defeated by the British in April of the same year allowing them to flood the colonies with addiitonal forces... and winning the war of 1812... the first of many major military loses for the nascent americant nation
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don't forget August 24th, 1814 when after the Battle of Bladensburg British colonial forces burned the city of Washington, including the original White House, to the ground....
love that chapter of history... it was all really due to 1 man... Napolean was defeated by the British in April of the same year allowing them to flood the colonies with addiitonal forces... and winning the war of 1812... the first of many major military loses for the nascent americant nation
Bro, you weren't really even Canada then, you were still Britain v2.West.
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Canada is NOT irrelevant, though we try like the dickens to fly under the radar.
The entire WORLD is shifting from a fiat paper economy to a resource based economy with money backed by GOLD, SILVER & OIL, ...possibly even WATER.
I'm not sure if it's going to be such a fun experience to be such a rich country next door to what is soon to be a third world country ...with so much fire power. The only consolation or comforting factor in all of this is the fact that all hell appears to be about to break loose in the USA, and the military will be too pre-occupied in quelling uprisings from amongst their own citizens to be invading us... just like in 1867. While you'all were fighting amongst yourselves... Canada was busy consolidating & confederating from coast-to-coast.
Goodness you're an idiot with a horrible grasp of finance and economics. What happend dd the well of idiots willing to buy your babble dry up and now you're back to the interweb to drum up business?
At least take a class or two in finance instead of just reading the very same pamphlets your trying to hock from...
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Bro, you weren't really even Canada then, you were still Britain v2.West.
Did I state otherwise in my post? I am not a product of the americant 'education' system.
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Did I state otherwise in my post? I am not a product of the americant 'education' system.
youd be a lot more knowlegdable if you were brain child
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Did I state otherwise in my post? I am not a product of the americant 'education' system.
Bro, do you even murrica?
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ALL I CAN SAY IS SCOTLAND THE BRAVE...... ;D ;)
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I like your definition.
I wish I lived in a world where people had that kind of class...
Well. Maybe. Really I guess I don't care (maybe this is a cop out).
There's no higher meaning to me.
Sometimes it appears that a lot people have veered away from the concepts of what could be called class as I previously defined it. Some of this is probably due to their age. One hopes that as most people mature, they will develop somewhat classier behaviors.
As I see it, when we reward bad behavior we also encourage it. There are people who make a lifestyle and often a living from what should be unacceptable actions. This is a shame. I would name names or offer examples, but recently discovered that it is not classy to do that.
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Sometimes it appears that a lot people have veered away from the concepts of what could be called class as I previously defined it. Some of this is probably due to their age. One hopes that as most people mature, they will develop somewhat classier behaviors.
As I see it, when we reward bad behavior we also encourage it. There are people who make a lifestyle and often a living from what should be unacceptable actions. This is a shame. I would name names or offer examples, but recently discovered that it is not classy to do that.
:)
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please move to Canada.
more parking spaces for the rest of us.
please stay off the I - 95