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They're just following a doctors written instruction? ???
(no trolling)
Seems like literacy and honesty would be the only qualification? ???
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In Poland you can sell in pharmacy when you're technician, which is basically shit and easy 3 years course AFAIK.
Pharmacist sometimes have to create special blends and medicines. There is a rule saying that there must be at least one expert pharmacist in every pharmacy, everyone else can be technicians.
90% of pharmacists work for large companies and sell shit to hospitals. It doesn't take much knowledge about chemistry except from love chemistry. Vast majority of medical sales representatives are women and it's common that they suck doctor's cock in order to make them sign better contracts.
Except from sucking cocks it's verry well paid job with many benefits like company car, free booze and food during parties held by pharmecutical companies and if you're a guy, a lot of hot chicks to bang.
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My aunt is a pharmacist, and she's a bit loopy, but hearing her talk, I'd be glad she knows her shit. Mixing chemicals can be bad, and when your life is/could be on the line, you'd want that person to be very knowledgable on the subject.
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Compounding pharmacies make shit in-house, I think. And it's your best source for oxandrolone.
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Pharmacists of today need a Doctor degree in NJ. They work in hospitals as a consultant to doctors reference drugs used on patients. Many hospitals in NJ have several on staff. They make the rounds with doctors as a professional consultant. Many doctors accept that they know drugs better than they do. They are the ones in general in the hospital that prepare chemotherapy treatments dressed in sterile protective head to toe gowns. They are also employed at pharmaceutical companies. Considering the amount of liability in pharmacies they catch many errors when doctors are prescribing medicines. They also find drug conflicts. Many times they call the doctor and suggest a better drug for the condition. Starting salaries in NJ are around $120K. The better pharmacy colleges are very hard to get into and the course of study is very difficult. They have more drop outs due to academic failure than the doctor program at Rutgers. Pharmacist in the past just had a BS degree then the equivalent of a masters. Some of these older pharmacists are still licensed to work. Compounding pharmacist make drugs all the way up to chemotherapy.
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i don't know about you guys... but i want the guy who is handing me pills to have a decent level of education...
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Pharmacists of today need a Doctor degree in NJ. They work in hospitals as a consultant to doctors reference drugs used on patients. Many hospitals in NJ have several on staff. They make the rounds with doctors as a professional consultant. Many doctors accept that they know drugs better than they do. They are the ones in general in the hospital that prepare chemotherapy treatments dressed in sterile protective head to toe gowns. They are also employed at pharmaceutical companies. Considering the amount of liability in pharmacies they catch many errors when doctors are prescribing medicines. They also find drug conflicts. Many times they call the doctor and suggest a better drug for the condition. Starting salaries in NJ are around $120K. The better pharmacy colleges are very hard to get into and the course of study is very difficult. They have more drop outs due to academic failure than the doctor program at Rutgers. Pharmacist in the past just had a BS degree then the equivalent of a masters. Some of these older pharmacists are still licensed to work. Compounding pharmacist make drugs all the way up to chemotherapy.
^^THIS. My cousin is in charge of a hospital pharmacy dept. The tasks they carry out can get very complex, going way beyond simply filling prescriptions or following a doctor's instructions.
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In the Uk and Ireland it is much different.
They have a complete and intrinsic knowledge of drugs, how they react, what they do and how they react with other medication etc
My sister works in the Cancer Unit in a hospital as a very Senior Pharmacist and is constantly having to learn about new drugs etc
It is a very important job that requires intense knowledge and commitment.
Dr's do prescribe but doctors often make mistakes. The Pharmacists rectify and spot the mistakes.
When I worked in a pharmacy I was forever hearing pharmacists spot mistakes by Drs's. Often potentially very dangerous mistakes.
It is a good career and well paid.
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In the Uk and Ireland it is much different.
They have a complete and intrinsic knowledge of drugs, how they react, what they do and how they react with other medication etc
My sister One of my eight sisters works in the Cancer Unit in a hospital as a very Senior Pharmacist and is constantly having to learn about new drugs etc
It is a very important job that requires intense knowledge and commitment.
Dr's do prescribe but doctors often make mistakes. The Pharmacists rectify and spot the mistakes.
When I worked in a pharmacy I was forever hearing pharmacists spot mistakes by Drs's. Often potentially very dangerous mistakes.
It is a good career and well paid.
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its the same level of education that engineers, teachers, dentists, nurses etc get.. 4year bachelors degree.
not sure that qualifies as "so much education"...
and ive never heard of pharmacists having to get a doctorate.
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In Poland you can sell in pharmacy when you're technician, which is basically shit and easy 3 years course AFAIK.
Pharmacist sometimes have to create special blends and medicines. There is a rule saying that there must be at least one expert pharmacist in every pharmacy, everyone else can be technicians.
90% of pharmacists work for large companies and sell shit to hospitals. It doesn't take much knowledge about chemistry except from love chemistry. Vast majority of medical sales representatives are women and it's common that they suck doctor's cock in order to make them sign better contracts.
Except from sucking cocks it's verry well paid job with many benefits like company car, free booze and food during parties held by pharmecutical companies and if you're a guy, a lot of hot chicks to bang.
??? ??? ???
one of my students here in poland is a drug rep and he ain't rich and he ain't fucking lots of hot chicks
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one of my students here in poland is a drug rep and he ain't rich and he ain't fucking lots of hot chicks
neither are you. and you look like a tupperware container filled with bird shit
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Meh if your on so many drugs that someone has to figure out how they will mix you shouldn't be on them in the first place.
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??? ??? ???
one of my students here in poland is a drug rep and he ain't rich and he ain't fucking lots of hot chicks
if this were any place other than getbig i'd be surprised that people don't know that a drug rep is a saleman...
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neither are you. and you look like a tupperware container filled with bird shit
fuck off
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Oh, well thanks...
My cousin is working on Doctor of Pharmacy, and I was actually under the misconception that these people just counted, dispensed, pills and helped interpret instructions from the doctor or pharmaceutical company.
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My sis and her husband are both pharmacists. The computers are doing almost everything now. Most doctors are morons and just do what they are told... they get kick-backs from the pharma companies for prescribing drugs as well. Big pharma companies are dictating everything. The drug stores need pharmacists not because they are knowledgeable, but because they have a "license" to handle/distribute drugs.
I find it funny how the media glams onto AAS as being bad for you. AAS side effects are very mild on your body compared to some of the nasty "quality of life" drugs that the general public takes. They give cancer treatment drugs that are known to cause cancer... how absurd.
Big pharma is all about treating symptoms, not curing people. Making money is A#1.
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Oh, well thanks...
My cousin is working on Doctor of Pharmacy, and I was actually under the misconception that these people just counted, dispensed, pills and helped interpret instructions from the doctor or pharmaceutical company
There are also pharmacy techs, who usually undergo a two-year program and perform the more basic functions in a pharmacy environment. Some pharmacists start out as techs, but make way less money. They also have far less responsibility, but it's a good starting point.
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even people who cut hair need a license to do business these days.
bunch of fucking bullshit.
people should be "allowed"(as if anyone really has the authority to "allow" other people to do things) to work in whatever industry they want. its the customers fault if they choose to do business with someone who sells them a bad product/service.
licensure is no guarantee of good product/service anyways.
bunch of authoritarian motha fuckas up in this bitch.
besides, if you look into the history of licensure requirements, youll see they are usually advocated for by existing 'professionals' who want to create a barrier to entry into the profession, a way to make more money.
kids cant even set up a lemonade stand on the corner without a business license and shit..
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My sis and her husband are both pharmacists. The computers are doing almost everything now. Most doctors are morons and just do what they are told... they get kick-backs from the pharma companies for prescribing drugs as well. Big pharma companies are dictating everything. The drug stores need pharmacists not because they are knowledgeable, but because they have a "licence" to handle/distribute drugs.
I find it funny how the media glams onto AAS as being bad for you. AAS side effects are very mild on your body compared to some of the nasty "quality of life" drugs that the general public takes. They give cancer treatment drugs that are known to cause cancer... how absurd.
Big pharma is all about treating symptoms, not curing people. Making money is A#1.
Right on all points. My cous carries an iPad all day, and especially while making rounds on the floors. She uses it to access resources and the hospital pharmacy's operating system.
And yes, it's a sin what they prescribe in some instances. Pharma is in the business of making money, not helping people.
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great posts in this thread
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its the same level of education that engineers, teachers, dentists, nurses etc get.. 4year bachelors degree.
not sure that qualifies as "so much education"...
and ive never heard of pharmacists having to get a doctorate.
Negative...since about 2000, you need a doctor of pharmacy degree to apply for a US license to practice. Many hospital pharmacists are required to complete a 1 or 2-year post-doc residency to end up their desired area of specialty. I am currently a practicing clinical pharmacist in the hospital and receive consistent consultations from physicians to write my own orders for patients' antibiotics, chemotherapy, parenteral nutrition, etc. I'm not sure a PharmD is truly necessary for your standard Walgreens pharmacist (not hating but their scope of practice is much more limited), but in the hospital and other specialty clinical settings it's essential
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Negative...since about 2000, you need a doctor of pharmacy degree to apply for a US license to practice. Many hospital pharmacists are required to complete a 1 or 2-year post-doc residency to end up their desired area of specialty. I am currently a practicing clinical pharmacist in the hospital and receive consistent consultations from physicians to write my own orders for patients' antibiotics, chemotherapy, parenteral nutrition, etc. I'm not sure a PharmD is truly necessary for your standard Walgreens pharmacist (not hating but their scope of practice is much more limited), but in the hospital and other specialty clinical settings it's essential
Yeah, my cousin worked in retail pharmacy for the first few years post-graduation, then got bored and went into the hospital setting. It was more interesting and better-paying. She also had more room for advancement. I forget when she graduated, but she was accepted into her program right before they extended the length of it.
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I think it's important for pharmacists to obtain their doctorate.
It's a sign of the changing times. No longer are Medical Doctors the only ones to obtain a doctorate in their respective field. Today, you will find that Doctorates are obtained by Pharmacists, Nurse Practitioners, Physician Assistants, Physical Therapists and nutritionists.
I think it makes sense and is the best move for quality care and consumer safety.
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its the same level of education that engineers, teachers, dentists, nurses etc get.. 4year bachelors degree.
not sure that qualifies as "so much education"...
and ive never heard of pharmacists having to get a doctorate.
It's the nation wide standard now in the US. I just checked with a recent grad pharmacist. If you got your degree say 20 years ago you are exempt. It was a masters degree for many years. They average about 30 credits of just chemistry. They take advanced math like calculus. You can be an RN with a two year degree though many have a four year BSN. What dentist do you go to that has a 4 year degree? A dentist is also a doctor degree.
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There are also pharmacy techs, who usually undergo a two-year program and perform the more basic functions in a pharmacy environment. Some pharmacists start out as techs, but make way less money. They also have far less responsibility, but it's a good starting point.
You can become a pharmacy tech with no schooling. Just on the job training and having a license. I know this because my son is a pharmacy tech while going through college. It doesn't pay much.
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You can become a pharmacy tech with no schooling. Just on the job training and having a license. I know this because my son is a pharmacy tech while going through college. It doesn't pay much.
Really? I didn't know that.
I know two proprietary schools and the local community college offer degrees/certificates for it. I presume one can substitute other experience for training?
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Higher Education
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Really? I didn't know that.
I know two proprietary schools and the local community college offer degrees/certificates for it. I presume one can substitute other experience for training?
Yes, I am aware of business type non college schools offering certificates in Pharmacy tech. I'm really surprised that a community college offers a two year degree in it. In NJ they are making 10 to 12 dollars an hour in general. Yes, you don't need any schooling in NJ to be one but you must be licensed. I think that is just a criminal background check no test involved. I remember my son getting a pass port photo and going to get fingerprinted. The only training he has is on the job and watching some videos at work. If he took some kind of written test I'm not aware of it.
My daughter and my niece are pharmacists. My niece has her masters prior to the necessity of having a doctor degree. My daughter has a Pharm D.
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Yes, I am aware of business type non college schools offering certificates in Pharmacy tech. I'm really surprised that a community college offers a two year degree in it. In NJ they are making 10 to 12 dollars an hour in general. Yes, you don't need any schooling in NJ to be one but you must be licensed. I think that is just a criminal background check no test involved. I remember my son getting a pass port photo and going to get fingerprinted. The only training he has is on the job and watching some videos at work. If he took some kind of written test I'm not aware of it.
My daughter and my niece are pharmacists. My niece has her masters prior to the necessity of having a doctor degree. My daughter has a Pharm D.
Damn, that's a lot of tuition payments! ;)
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Alot of the people i know in pharmacy school cannot find a job and the buzz is they are trying to phase down the profession due to technology ie) a computer can basically do what a pharmacist does, drug info.. Now techs are taking a larger role and requirements for the hospital are up, college or a tech program at a comm college, while retail can still be done with a high school diploma.
Yes, for the demands of the schooling, it is alarmingly difficult to find work in the field.
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I think it's important for pharmacists to obtain their doctorate.
It's a sign of the changing times. No longer are Medical Doctors the only ones to obtain a doctorate in their respective field. Today, you will find that Doctorates are obtained by Pharmacists, Nurse Practitioners, Physician Assistants, Physical Therapists and nutritionists.
I think it makes sense and is the best move for quality care and consumer safety.
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if you want your pharmacist to have a doctorate.. only go to a pharmacist who has a doctorate.
other people might not give a shit, and instead just want someone who apprears trustworthy and dont want to have to pay extra just to fund someones college education.
freedom, people. freedom. stop being authoritarian and imposing your will upon others.
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Yes, for the demands of the schooling, it is alarmingly difficult to find work in the field.
The only recent grads I know of that have had trouble finding work are those that neglected to work as an intern throughout their schooling. Successful hospital-based grads start greasing the wheels for a residency the first year of pharmacy school if they're smart, and retail-based grads intern for their retailer of choice a few days a month all throughout the 4 years of school. Those that I've seen prepare well didn't have any problems finding jobs post-graduation. The saying from day one in pharmacy school is "it's a small world", and it's absolutely true. Luckily I established a strong reputation early and have several standing PRN offers in addition to my full-time work if I'm interested
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if you want your pharmacist to have a doctorate.. only go to a pharmacist who has a doctorate.
other people might not give a shit, and instead just want someone who apprears trustworthy and dont want to have to pay extra just to fund someones college education.
freedom, people. freedom. stop being authoritarian and imposing your will upon others.
Sure, why not also just go to Physicians with a bachelors degree only or maybe one with a certificate in holistic medicine?
Standards of care keep improving and, due to such, the academic requisites that constitute the basic entry level for these careers keeps being raised.
Before, our children could have gotten educated by teachers with simply a bachelors degree. Today, in public schools they require a master's degree and teaching certification as well.
There is nothing wrong with this practice. We are evolving as a society and just as we evolve as people, so do our practices within the different disciplines (be it healthcare, law, science and education).
These academic requirements are not my ideas or even my view of an ideal society, but it is on par with the pace of an ever-growing society. You either adapt to this pace or stay behind working meager jobs.
In New York State, unless you have a Pharm Doctorate, you won't get hired to even work out of Walgreen's or rite aid.
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if you want to buy a service from someone who has a certain license or degree, then only buy services from those people who have those degrees/licenses.
but do not force everyone else to engage in the same practice
otherwise your a damned authoritarian pig.
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if you want to buy a service from someone who has a certain license or degree, then only buy services from those people who have those degrees/licenses.
but do not force everyone else to engage in the same practice
otherwise your a damned authoritarian pig.
Would you prefer a pharmacist who is simply a technician with a basic certificate (no college degree or training on the field) and who has very little knowledge of the intricate detail needed to prepare your medications down to the microgram as to not cause systemic imbalances or even possibly death?
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Would you prefer a pharmacist with a doctorate who has spent well over 6-8 years receiving training both from a theoretical and also clinically-based (with upwards of 3000 hours spent in both hospitals and actual pharmacies) standpoint preparing your medications and caring for you via their expertise?
You call it authoritarian. I call it the obvious choice.
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its when you take away my ability to make that choice when you become an authoritarian.
get it through your head
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its when you take away my ability to make that choice when you become an authoritarian.
get it through your head
Negative.
No one is taking your choice away. There are many quacks out there and pseudo-pharmacists that work out of their homes and local storefronts.
You can always go to those individuals at your own risk and no one will stop you.
Don't confuse ever-evolving industry standards of care and authoritarian-like involvement within healthcare.
These decisions are determined by evidence-based practice that shows that pharmacists with a doctorate provide better service and products than pharmacists with simply a master. The same evidence had once been applied to pharmacists with a masters versus those with simply a bachelors.
Clear cut example...
There are many people that go to Dave Palumbo for nutritional advice. These same individuals are also not bodybuilders or industry enthusiasts, just average people who have heard of him via word of mouth. Now you can go to Dave Palumbo and have him place you on his famous Keto-diet (along with his added modifications) or you can go to a license nutritionist with a Doctorate to get you going on the right, balanced path to weight management.
I would pick the nutritionist for basic weight management and a balanced approach to healthy consumption of foods. The choice is obvious to me, but you can still choose Palumbo.
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industry standards are different from legal requirements.
legal requirements do exist. you cant even cut hair without getting a license and certification.
such legal requirements are complete and total bullshit.
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Pharma d is normally a 6 year program here. I dated a girl who was in pharmacy school. What I think is they are basically the second (and final) line of oversight in combining different medications. Her core education was in drug interactions and combinations. Her undergrad wasn't much different than my engineering requirements. I personally want a pharmacist to have a doctoral degree if they're handing out medication.
On a different note, they make a fat salary in retail. She started out making 108,000 here in Florida but works alot also. Her education was brutal though and many accepted to pharmacy school never make it through.
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Yes, for the demands of the schooling, it is alarmingly difficult to find work in the field.
Not true for all. My daughter got three offers out of school. Just think the big chains can open all the pharmacies they want but if they don't have a pharmacist they are out of business.
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Damn, that's a lot of tuition payments! ;)
I had three in college at one point.
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Not true for all. My daughter got three offers out of school. Just think the big chains can open all the pharmacies they want but if they don't have a pharmacist they are out of business.
Well, that's good to know. I'm only going by what my cousin told me last year. I don't know what her source for that information was.
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I had three in college at one point.
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Not true for all. My daughter got three offers out of school. Just think the big chains can open all the pharmacies they want but if they don't have a pharmacist they are out of business.
retail is a different story and most people don't want retail because of the bullshit from the public. Hospital is where most want the clinical spots where you sit on your ass all day those jobs are hard to come by because as a previous poster said everyone wants a residency nowadays, everyone wants to specialize and get the good cushiony jobs where you make 80-90k and basically do nothing all day. Now most people want PA jobs or Nurse Prac. that's where the health care jobs are going.
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retail is a different story and most people don't want retail because of the bullshit from the public. Hospital is where most want the clinical spots where you sit on your ass all day those jobs are hard to come by because as a previous poster said everyone wants a residency nowadays, everyone wants to specialize and get the good cushiony jobs where you make 80-90k and basically do nothing all day. Now most people want PA jobs or Nurse Prac. that's where the health care jobs are going.
Very true..
I have a relative who is a Nurse Practitioner in New York City and she makes about $125,000 and that was her starting salary in one of the big private hospitals.
The beauty of those jobs (nurse practitioner or physician assistant) is that they typically require 6-7 years of training and very little debt is accrued, if any, as compared to medical school. While they don't make as much as say an Anesthesiologist (who makes around 300K - national average), they do make just about the same as a primary care doctor (those MD's make around $150,000) and it still isn't a lousy salary considering the lifestyle they adopt (mon-fri 9-5 workdays or three 12-hour shifts per week), plus the option for overtime.
My nephew (yes the weed head) is considering becoming a nurse practitioner or physician's assistant. I think it's a good idea, so as long as he can concentrate more on his course work and less on his marijuana.
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tell him to buckle down, he can buy more with the salary he'll be making. LOL!
I keep telling him to, but the boy is in love with marijuana.
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Well... If we've learned one thing in this thread, it's that I'm fairly ignorant! ;D
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Does a meth cooker need the same amount of education as a pharmacist?