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I know this is the G & O, but I gives no fucks.
Im running t3 up to 125mcg daily, currently at 100mcg, started at 50, ramping up 25mcg a week.
I've been taking the whole dose in the morning when I wake up.
My question is, do you guys split your dosage, or do you take it all at once?
Oh, and Inb4
"Theres a steroid board bro-fag"
And
"No one here lifts fag"
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take it all as soon as you wake up
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Roger that Arce.
Evidently no one else on here uses the hormonas.
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i took them in equal doses over the day.
ran into pains at that 100+mcg dosage.
the fatburning effect is remarkable, i was very lean anyway, but i gotten away with atleast 1 whole pizza a day along with the regular diet,didnt get any fatter.
rebound wasnt too bad either.
Yeah, the reason I asked is because I start feeling like ass about an hour after taking it. Pretty bad at 100mcg, didn't really feel it at 75.
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Always split mine up. What's the reasoning behind taking the whole dose at once? Saw great results from just 75mcgs a day. I know some people go way higher dosage wise but I would rather just tighten the diet up to make the diff.
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Yeah, the reason I asked is because I start feeling like ass about an hour after taking it. Pretty bad at 100mcg, didn't really feel it at 75.
Yeah I found 75 to be the sweet spot with me too. Ramp it down, if it's gonna make you feel shitty what good is it?
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important to take it on empty stomach with only water and wait at least 30 mins before consuming anthing else. very very sensitive absorbtion.
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important to take it on empty stomach with only water and wait at least 30 mins before consuming anthing else. very very sensitive absorbtion.
Intredasting. Didn't know that.
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Stick it straight into each bicep and curl away. some dude got pretty in FAMOUS doing that
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I can't imagine 100mcg or greater of the stuff. I think 25-50mcg is a lot better. There's still a tremendous affect but you're not relying on it solely to strip the fat off. You still want to eat decently and do cardio and stuff. It's pretty good stuff if you want to cheat on your diet like crazy, but I wouldn't recommend it.
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Intredasting. Didn't know that.
google it and youl find page after page of different articles talking about various substances which interfere with thyroid absorption. taking it sublingually might be best.
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google it and youl find page after page of different articles talking about various substances which interfere with thyroid absorption. taking it sublingually might be best.
Good idea, I'll try that tomorrow.
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side effects?
long term use any smart?
i used it for about 18 months between 2009 and 2011. came off of it cold turkey, no side effects, metabolism wasnt slow, nothing. in fact it may have permanently increased my metabolism. sort of feels that way at least.
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steroid fag, do you even lift brah?
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steroid fag, do you even lift brah?
Touche.
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side effects?
long term use any smart?
Geez you even have any bf left to lose? LOL prob let you cheat a nice little bit every day and keep your sanity. Pretty sure Overload had referanced himself or someone he knew doing t3 for a couple yrs straight and came off, no problems.
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Touche.
;D
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i used it for about 18 months between 2009 and 2011. came off of it cold turkey, no side effects, metabolism wasnt slow, nothing. in fact it may have permanently increased my metabolism. sort of feels that way at least.
That's just a bit of a bold claim there.
I like you, but the composition you've been rocking doesn't look like it'd be the easiest to draw conclusions from. There are a trillion variables to take into account over a period of time like that.
I'd recommend to use T3 when cutting or use it intermittently with things like caffeine and ephedrine during bulks. During long bulks and cuts, I like to change things up and go the opposite direction for both physical and psychological relief. I've found it to really help out, especially mentally. When I cut, I want to eat like a slob. And when I bulk, I want to eat like a monk. It's never easy lol
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That's just a bit of a bold claim there.
I like you, but the composition you've been rocking doesn't look like it'd be the easiest to draw conclusions from. There are a trillion variables to take into account over a period of time like that.
I'd recommend to use T3 when cutting or use it intermittently with things like caffeine and ephedrine during bulks. During long bulks and cuts, I like to change things up and go the opposite direction for both physical and psychological relief. I've found it to really help out, especially mentally. When I cut, I want to eat like a slob. And when I bulk, I want to eat like a monk. It's never easy lol
I tried using ECA again... I can't use it, shit drives me nuts, shakes, mentally foggy, etc... May have something to do with the addiction to Meth I used to have, I don't know. I just can't take that shit anymore, it makes me feel like ass.
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Ramp up and back down. Take it split up twice a day on an empty stomach.
I've seen research stating that even after taking it for months on end, your thyroid will recover in a few weeks after coming off of it. This is assuming you don't have an under active thyroid to begin with, which can be an issue when you come off. Many people take a mild dose for years with zero problems.
75mcg per day is more than enough with a moderate diet. I find that when i go over 100mcg i start to feel sides and it makes me irritable sometimes, sort of puts me on edge.
It's a great drug when used correctly.
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I tried using ECA again... I can't use it, shit drives me nuts, shakes, mentally foggy, etc... May have something to do with the addiction to Meth I used to have, I don't know. I just can't take that shit anymore, it makes me feel like ass.
Ramp up and back down. Take it split up twice a day on an empty stomach.
I've seen research stating that even after taking it for months on end, your thyroid will recover in a few weeks after coming off of it. This is assuming you don't have an under active thyroid to begin with, which can be an issue when you come off. Many people take a mild dose for years with zero problems.
75mcg per day is more than enough with a moderate diet. I find that when i go over 100mcg i start to feel sides and it makes me irritable sometimes, sort of puts me on edge.
It's a great drug when used correctly.
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Precisely!
You don't know how many times I wrote off ephedrina. But then I gave it a few more chances, ran it with 100mg of caffeine (now 200mg) and you just need to make sure to ramp it up because just overdosing it once or twice is enough to really turn people off. But it's a really good drug. And don't worry about receptor downregulation. There are beta 3 receptors that people don't pay attention too. And people just feel the side affects wearing off and then figure "well, guess that's all it's got to offer!" and stop taking it.
You can cycle on and off or stay on continuously. I normally do 5 days on and weekends off (because I'm too lazy on weekends). Couple of weeks on or a couple of bottle's worth.. and then I'm normally too lazy to grab another couple of bottles and will just take a break. I've gotten amazingly lean just doing intermittent fasting or eating a couple of meals a day, some light cardio mostly for REAL cardiovascular health, and a bit of ephedrina here and there. Very underrated stuff. It's the poor man's GH for sure.
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Precisely!
You don't know how many times I wrote off ephedrina. But then I gave it a few more chances, ran it with 100mg of caffeine (now 200mg) and you just need to make sure to ramp it up because just overdosing it once or twice is enough to really turn people off. But it's a really good drug. And don't worry about receptor downregulation. There are beta 3 receptors that people don't pay attention too. And people just feel the side affects wearing off and then figure "well, guess that's all it's got to offer!" and stop taking it.
You can cycle on and off or stay on continuously. I normally do 5 days on and weekends off (because I'm too lazy on weekends). Couple of weeks on or a couple of bottle's worth.. and then I'm normally too lazy to grab another couple of bottles and will just take a break. I've gotten amazingly lean just doing intermittent fasting or eating a couple of meals a day, some light cardio mostly for REAL cardiovascular health, and a bit of ephedrina here and there. Very underrated stuff. It's the poor man's GH for sure.
Oh I used to use ECA all the time, but after I quit using Meth, any stimulant fucks me up hardcore... I started back using 12.5mg/100 EC ratio 2x day, and worked up to 25mg 3x daily.. and I just don't like the way it makes me feel anymore. Like I said, I don't get the positive stimulant effects anymore, I just get a fuzzy head, inability to concentrate, and shakes and sweats.
I don't get the focus/mental sharpness at all anymore. As I said, probably has to do with damaged neurotransmitters from all the dope I used to shoot.
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That's just a bit of a bold claim there.
I like you, but the composition you've been rocking doesn't look like it'd be the easiest to draw conclusions from. There are a trillion variables to take into account over a period of time like that.
I'd recommend to use T3 when cutting or use it intermittently with things like caffeine and ephedrine during bulks. During long bulks and cuts, I like to change things up and go the opposite direction for both physical and psychological relief. I've found it to really help out, especially mentally. When I cut, I want to eat like a slob. And when I bulk, I want to eat like a monk. It's never easy lol
i did gain a considerable amount of muscle during the period i was on t3. its possible the increase in muscle mass is what i observed increasing my metabolism. however, i have heard the same thing from someone else, a top amatuer npc competitor who looks awesome and is very sparing with his drug use. he told me he thought t3 had permanently increased his metabolism, and maybe just hearing that from him caused a placebo effect in me. but, nonetheles, i did not experience any decrease in metabolism when coming off t3.
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Precisely!
You don't know how many times I wrote off ephedrina. But then I gave it a few more chances, ran it with 100mg of caffeine (now 200mg) and you just need to make sure to ramp it up because just overdosing it once or twice is enough to really turn people off. But it's a really good drug. And don't worry about receptor downregulation. There are beta 3 receptors that people don't pay attention too. And people just feel the side affects wearing off and then figure "well, guess that's all it's got to offer!" and stop taking it.
You can cycle on and off or stay on continuously. I normally do 5 days on and weekends off (because I'm too lazy on weekends). Couple of weeks on or a couple of bottle's worth.. and then I'm normally too lazy to grab another couple of bottles and will just take a break. I've gotten amazingly lean just doing intermittent fasting or eating a couple of meals a day, some light cardio mostly for REAL cardiovascular health, and a bit of ephedrina here and there. Very underrated stuff. It's the poor man's GH for sure.
taking bendadryl on off days might help to "refresh the beta receptors".
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Oh I used to use ECA all the time, but after I quit using Meth, any stimulant fucks me up hardcore... I started back using 12.5mg/100 EC ratio 2x day, and worked up to 25mg 3x daily.. and I just don't like the way it makes me feel anymore. Like I said, I don't get the positive stimulant effects anymore, I just get a fuzzy head, inability to concentrate, and shakes and sweats.
I don't get the focus/mental sharpness at all anymore. As I said, probably has to do with damaged neurotransmitters from all the dope I used to shoot.
i am the same way, too much methamphetamine usage does seem to cause a shutdown of the serotonergenic neurons, and these days i cant take enough stimulantsa to really get a buzz. i can get "awake", but not more than that. any more drugs past that point and i start getting light headed, nauseous, oiff balance, heart palps, etc. i think it smart for guys like us with a history of stim abuse to stay away from all stimulants of every kind. over time the brain can rebuild neurons (although this isnt proven and isnt consensus.. but theres more glia in the brain than neurons, and glias main function is to repair and build neurons. everytime you experience anything, glia go to work to alter the neuron pathways in order to change your brain to compensate for the new information. onlny makes sense that over time, with will power, one could get the glia to rebuild damaged neurons)
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taking bendadryl on off days might help to "refresh the beta receptors".
I don't know the exact science behind it but I've found that it helps. No complaints outside of the anticholinergic effect which leaves me a bit groggy in the morning. But a good fucking and half a Benadryl before bed will have me sleeping like a baby!
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reason I say get it out of the way is because that shit will keep you up at night
also, I know doctors who give 200mcg dose and tell patients to take at zero dark thirty
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reason I say get it out of the way is because that shit will keep you up at night
also, I know doctors who give 200mcg dose and tell patients to take at zero dark thirty
Yeah I took my 1st 50mcg at night and I was wide awake for several hours, not nasty stimulant awake, just... awake.
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yes it will keep most people up I know endo docs that swear you need to take it all like at 04am-05am
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so where's a good site to get this stuff from? ;D
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so where's a good site to get this stuff from? ;D
If you're in the US it could be highly regulated stuff. It's legal in 8mg tabs here in Canada and sold in little $5 bottles with 50 tabs in each. My buddy forgot he had an opened bottle when traveling to the US, and on the way back the boarder patrol fuckers got a hard on and tossed him in jail for two days.
In Canada you can buy a flat of it for super cheap, but in the US they'd throw you in prison forever. It's fucked. Leave it to the methheads to ruin it for everyone.
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It doesn't matter when you take or if you have an empty stomach or not when you take it.. just take it the same time everyday.
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My pet Giraffe Bill prefers the judicious use of DNP seeing as he has read the relevant research and tells me there is zero indication of long-term detrimental effects.
He doesn't mind the occasional bout of yellow sweat because, well, he is a giraffe.
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i did gain a considerable amount of muscle during the period i was on t3. its possible the increase in muscle mass is what i observed increasing my metabolism. however, i have heard the same thing from someone else, a top amatuer npc competitor who looks awesome and is very sparing with his drug use. he told me he thought t3 had permanently increased his metabolism, and maybe just hearing that from him caused a placebo effect in me. but, nonetheles, i did not experience any decrease in metabolism when coming off t3.
I can assure you....taking t3 for any amount of time does not permanently increase metabolism. It doesn't negatively effect it, though.... as long as the thryroid was healthy to begin with. My best results from t3 came with 75mcg split in three doses throughout the day and following a lower fat moderate carb high protein diet. I was literally sweating all day long like that....with a keto style diet, the t3 did not seem to do as much.
Oh, and stay away from liquid versions from research chem companies. That shit is not stable in liquid solutions.
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Not needed imo. Why use it with the risk of ruining your metabolism? Eph and clen are enough.
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what about the t4?
what the proper dosage for that?
whats thw difference?
docs here only prexcribe t4, ugl have t3, but i dont trust ugls
from what i understand t4 only helps if your deficient in t4..
however supplementing with t3 is likely to cause a deficiency in t4, because your natural production of the hormone will shut off when using t3, so its smart to take both t3 and t4 together.
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nono, dfinitely not.
i edited my post.
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what about the t4?
what the proper dosage for that?
whats thw difference?
docs here only prexcribe t4, ugl have t3, but i dont trust ugls
Is there no pharma thyroid on the black market there... like Turkish Tiromel?
If you can get Anapolon then Tiromel could be available too.
ok, thats better.btw i appreciate your knowledge on these matters, no kidding 8)
25% of the t4 taken will convert into t3.
so, its usefull and somewhat safer than t3.
some say the t4 is even more potenet, like 50% conversion rate.
From what I remember, the body only converts a certain amount of T4, and it's hard to OD like T3.
tbombz, didn't you do some crazy amount of this?
Many "experts" consider T4 pretty useless for bb purposes.
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Is there no pharma thyroid on the black market there... like Turkish Tiromel?
If you can get Anapolon then Tiromel could be available too.
From what I remember, the body only converts a certain amount of T4, and it's hard to OD like T3.
tbombz, didn't you do some crazy amount of this?
i went extremely high with the t3, this is true. didnt eat more fat, but did get in the way of muscle building. dont recommend it.
human grade t3 is very cheap and easily accessible online.. just google it
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i went extremely high with the t3, this is true. didnt eat more fat, but did get in the way of muscle building. dont recommend it.
human grade t3 is very cheap and easily accessible online.. just google it
I have debated this 1000 times and what you wrote about t3 causing a permanent metabolism increase is actually the exact opposite. I know one guy that is fat all the time after being lean for nearly 3 years straight and he said t3 fucked up his thyroid and now his natural look is fat and blames it on t3. A lot of people are actually saying this.
As for T4 a lot more easy to control, however the bodybuilders I know do not just do t4 alone but always do both t4 and t3 and claim it is better then just doing t3 alone as t3 can be hard on your system, this way you can do t4 and only a small amount of t3 instead of a lot of t3 at once.
Remember T3 is the stronger one and T4 the weaker, not knowing this can be a costly mistake. Personally I never take either, why bother when ECA is better and acts as a stimulant, a suppressor, a fat- burner and much much more. Why not use something that you get a lot more out of and has NO long term effect. And yes t3 can cause permanent changes and ECA does NOT
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I have debated this 1000 times and what you wrote about t3 causing a permanent metabolism increase is actually the exact opposite. I know one guy that is fat all the time after being lean for nearly 3 years straight and he said t3 fucked up his thyroid and now his natural look is fat and blames it on t3. A lot of people are actually saying this.
As for T4 a lot more easy to control, however the bodybuilders I know do not just do t4 alone but always do both t4 and t3 and claim it is better then just doing t3 alone as t3 can be hard on your system, this way you can do t4 and only a small amount of t3 instead of a lot of t3 at once.
Remember T3 is the stronger one and T4 the weaker, not knowing this can be a costly mistake. Personally I never take either, why bother when ECA is better and acts as a stimulant, a suppressor, a fat- burner and much much more. Why not use something that you get a lot more out of and has NO long term effect. And yes t3 can cause permanent changes and ECA does NOT
Awesome way of putting it! I loves me some ephedrina.
You don't see old ladies taking prescription levothyroxine and liothyronine and coming off of it because their thyroids are permanently jacked up. They're on it for life because you need to continuously supplement with it if you've got hypothyroidism. Unless you can treat the root cause you'll just stay on it. It's easy, doesn't have to be monitored hardcore and is part of polypharmacy in the geriatric population. You see so many old ladies on those drugs and hydrochlorothiazide. Any time you check the meds people are on in long term care facilities these are three you'll alllllways see.
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T4 converts %25 to T3, but if you are in a calorie deficit the body by time switches to survival mode and thyroid glands do slow down, if you take T4 during calorie deficit it will only convert a tiny amount to T3 to keep the homeostatis. That's why bodybuilders do not take T4, you need to take directly T3.
T4 like Synthroid has to be taken on empty stomach.
T3 (Tiromel;Cytomel) can be taken with food, you can't consume caffein and vitamins with iron during the before/after 1 hour period.
T3 is also known to attack besides fat cells the muscle proteins, so a good amount of test and high protein consumption is a must to prevent muscle loss.
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I have debated this 1000 times and what you wrote about t3 causing a permanent metabolism increase is actually the exact opposite. I know one guy that is fat all the time after being lean for nearly 3 years straight and he said t3 fucked up his thyroid and now his natural look is fat and blames it on t3. A lot of people are actually saying this.
As for T4 a lot more easy to control, however the bodybuilders I know do not just do t4 alone but always do both t4 and t3 and claim it is better then just doing t3 alone as t3 can be hard on your system, this way you can do t4 and only a small amount of t3 instead of a lot of t3 at once.
Remember T3 is the stronger one and T4 the weaker, not knowing this can be a costly mistake. Personally I never take either, why bother when ECA is better and acts as a stimulant, a suppressor, a fat- burner and much much more. Why not use something that you get a lot more out of and has NO long term effect. And yes t3 can cause permanent changes and ECA does NOT
That's crazy. Unless this guy binged on food while staying lean this means his body somehow decided to create extra fat cells while he was on T3.
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I have debated this 1000 times and what you wrote about t3 causing a permanent metabolism increase is actually the exact opposite. I know one guy that is fat all the time after being lean for nearly 3 years straight and he said t3 fucked up his thyroid and now his natural look is fat and blames it on t3. A lot of people are actually saying this.
As for T4 a lot more easy to control, however the bodybuilders I know do not just do t4 alone but always do both t4 and t3 and claim it is better then just doing t3 alone as t3 can be hard on your system, this way you can do t4 and only a small amount of t3 instead of a lot of t3 at once.
Remember T3 is the stronger one and T4 the weaker, not knowing this can be a costly mistake. Personally I never take either, why bother when ECA is better and acts as a stimulant, a suppressor, a fat- burner and much much more. Why not use something that you get a lot more out of and has NO long term effect. And yes t3 can cause permanent changes and ECA does NOT
the mind is a powerful thing. the available science on the subject says its extremely unlikely for an damage to occur. but if you believe something, alot of times it comes true.
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t4 only converts to t3 if you are not producing enough t3. it does fuck all if your thyroid is functioning properly.
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so t4 is useless for dieting purposes?
even on say 3-400mcg daily?
same question to buresu.
really curious.
Yes...... It will only return t3 levels to normal. If you are not deficient in t3, it is useless (unless you are running it with gh, because gh will actually hinder thyroid production).
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I was talking about endo doctors that rx it to people that have NO thyroid.
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Back in the day I used up to 50 mcg of t3 with my clen. I split it into doses 2x a day (morning,mid-day). Ramped it up and down as was normal protocol.
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so t4 is useless for dieting purposes?
even on say 3-400mcg daily?
same question to buresu.
really curious.
T4 is less active, with the purpose of being on stand-by as a reserve hormone, to be converted into the active T3 as needed in the body. When you're dieting and and therefore body doesn't need much T3 so the convertipn to T3 will be minimal and not 4:1 ratio.
T4 will be somehow effective but not worth it in my opinion, if you decide to take a thyroid hormone then go with T3.
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just reading the black book.
it says only if you already do clen and or efedrina AND on gh, then t4 is useless and onlt t3 is an option.
I hate Anthony ROberts and take everything he writes with a grain of salt, but this is an interesting read.....http://thinksteroids.com/articles/thyroid-hormone-growth-hormone/
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so t4 is useless for dieting purposes?
even on say 3-400mcg daily?
same question to buresu.
really curious.
yeah t4 is pretty much useless if you intend to abuse it for diet, I have a script for t4 and even when I take 4x the dose it does fck all compared to T3 (and thats armour with a little t3 added)