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Top 10 for sure.
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new breed of oak
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Looks to be in good health.
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he and rhoden look good
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(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EREsn6lp4wE/UNcuqxa_moI/AAAAAAAAOW4/leTMhF4ITfo/s1600/Flex+Wheeler+VS+Shawn+Rhoden.jpg)
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(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EREsn6lp4wE/UNcuqxa_moI/AAAAAAAAOW4/leTMhF4ITfo/s1600/Flex+Wheeler+VS+Shawn+Rhoden.jpg)
not even close lol
but nice try
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Looks good. Hamstrings are cut. Top 3. I think he's the best bb on the planet personally but judges are so shit today hence the top 3 prediction
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Sorry Rhoden looks like a generic brand of Flex.
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needs to dry out more...always holding water
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Sorry Rhoden looks like a generic brand of Flex.
Rhoden's legs are pretty sick but i think Cedric's upperbody is better
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(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EREsn6lp4wE/UNcuqxa_moI/AAAAAAAAOW4/leTMhF4ITfo/s1600/Flex+Wheeler+VS+Shawn+Rhoden.jpg)
rhoden wins because he doesnt have calf implants....
flex's calves were pathetic. you put flex next to dexter and take away flex's calf implants and dex wins.
you give Dex some calf implants and he's the greatest ever.
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rhoden wins because he doesnt have calf implants....
flex's calves were pathetic. you put flex next to dexter and take away flex's calf implants and dex wins.
you give Dex some calf implants and he's the greatest ever.
X2 on Dex. Do you ever hear of him talked about as an all-time great? Aside from the calves, he was flawless. Conditioned as fuck every show and muscle on his frame like a mini-Ronnie.
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X2 on Dex. Do you ever hear of him talked about as an all-time great? Aside from the calves, he was flawless. Conditioned as fuck every show and muscle on his frame like a mini-Ronnie.
No he isn't his structure isn't , torso long and high lats plus he's short
Shawn Ray > Dexter
Chris Cormier is actually flawless with calves too
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rhoden wins because he doesnt have calf implants....
flex's calves were pathetic. you put flex next to dexter and take away flex's calf implants and dex wins.
you give Dex some calf implants and he's the greatest ever.
Are u kidding? Flex all the way, his muscles pop, Rhoden doesn't do anything and lots of oil or whatever shit in his arms also
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dex is underrated... for sure
1000 better than kai and heath
doesnt beat flex when hes on though
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Sorry Rhoden looks like a generic brand of Flex.
Exactly he's waaay overrated
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dex is underrated... for sure
1000 better than kai and heath
doesnt beat flex when hes on though
Who u think is Better ray or dex?
I have
Shawn > Dex
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No he isn't his structure isn't , torso long and high lats plus he's short
Shawn Ray > Dexter
Chris Cormier is actually flawless with calves too
When he turns to the back, his lats almost go to his waist. High lats?
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Who u think is Better ray or dex?
I have
Shawn > Dex
shawn all day... better physique
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Are u kidding? Flex all the way, his muscles pop, Rhoden doesn't do anything and lots of oil or whatever shit in his arms also
not a rhoden fan.. boring guy..as you said no pop... great shaped legs and anarrow waiste, thats it
not rugged... no massive.... shouldnt have beaten dex
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Cedric back training 15 days out!
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Chris Cormier is actually flawless with calves too
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This
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No way in hell he wins the Arnold with those quads. Legs are too small for a guy his size.
Still All Mouth!
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flex did not have implants.
toney, dex and ced are the top three at the asc.
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Cedric back training 15 days out!
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Guy has a good physique but arguing over the Internet with the mayor for pages and talking all ghetto like a 17 year old, really professional ::)
This ain't pro football or nba u need all the fans u can get
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When he turns to the back, his lats almost go to his waist. High lats?
Yes now look at him do the double front/back and compare him to guys like Shawn and Cormier
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Sorry Rhoden looks like a generic brand of Flex.
Has done better than that other Flex knock off, (cough) Melvin (cough) Anthony.
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Guy has a good physique but arguing over the Internet with the mayor for pages and talking all ghetto like a 17 year old, really professional ::)
This ain't pro football or nba u need all the fans u can get
Ced looks better than Heath and isn't a 5'7 midget. Don't care who he argued with
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Has done better than that other Flex knock off, (cough) Melvin (cough) Anthony.
Melvin is better than Rhoden.
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Ced looks better than Heath and isn't a 5'7 midget. Don't care who he argued with
We're not talking about Heath here don't know why u brought that up ::)
Didn't know 5'9 classify being a midget, not that that is tall but for bbers it's above average
Btw hi Cedric mcwatermellon ;D
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Melvin is better than Rhoden.
I agree
So was Richard jones
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I agree
So was Richard jones
yep
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calves look like shit
rest looks great
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Cedric = Awesome
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Cedric = Awesome
cool build,,all diet coke and kale...hmb..
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pecs looking Arnold-esque
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Not Arnold like. More like Levrone lite.
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pecs looking Arnold-esque
Or Haney
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Who u think is Better ray or dex?
I have
Shawn > Dex
I say Dex: More muslce on his frame, yet with great shape and proportions.
Plus, he actually won the Olympia.
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Or Haney
not as much there overdieted strydom but sick pecs on gary too,,
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I say Dex: More muslce on his frame, yet with great shape and proportions.
Plus, he actually won the Olympia.
Dex competed in an era where it was easier to win, no flex, Cormier, levrone, Nasser, lee priest , ray, Yates...and a Ronnie on the decline in his later years. Look at dexs placings when he went up against the ones mentioned...
Yes he has more muscle but he isn't complete, no calves, and odd torso shape with a gut. Shawn was flawless around 210/215, complete with vacuum classic pose
I believe head to head dex has never beaten Shawn
Shit labrada is one of the best short bbers , much better than dex
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Cedric stomach is not good
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huge beyond belief yet healthy and athletic looking as well
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Dex competed in an era where it was easier to win, no flex, Cormier, levrone, Nasser, lee priest , ray, Yates...and a Ronnie on the decline in his later years. Look at dexs placings when he went up against the ones mentioned...
I have. He's placed 9th twice (1999, 2000), 8 once (2001), 4th three times (2002, 2004, 2006) 3rd twice(2003, 2007), prior to winning the O. And it was against many of those same guys. In 2003, he placed 3rd, defeating Levrone, James, and Cormier in the process. He defeated Nasser in both 2001 and 2002.
Yes he has more muscle but he isn't complete, no calves, and odd torso shape with a gut. Shawn was flawless around 210/215, complete with vacuum classic pose
I believe head to head dex has never beaten Shawn
Shit labrada is one of the best short bbers , much better than dex
Labrada better than Dex? That's a bit of a stretch. Again, Dex has WAY more size, along with good shape and proportions.
As for Dexter's winning the Olympia, if it were "easier" for him, it's not due to competition. It's due to the fact that FINALLY the judges have abandoned that "knock out the champion" mantra.
Prior to Jay Cutler finally beating Ronnie, it'd been 22 years since a defending Mr. O lost on stage.
Counting 2006, we've seen that happen 4 times in the last 7 years:
Cutler def. Coleman (2006)
Jackson def. Cutler (2008)
Cutler def. Jackson (2009)
Heath def. Cutler (2011)
Since Cutler defeated many of those bodybuilders you cited at the O, the fact that Dex beat Cutler for the Olympia cannot be understated. He also beat Cutler for the GNC Show of Strength title in 2003.
And he took his first of three ASC titles at Cormier's expense in 2005.
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I have. He's placed 9th twice (1999, 2000), 8 once (2001), 4th three times (2002, 2004, 2006) 3rd twice(2003, 2007), prior to winning the O. And it was against many of those same guys. In 2003, he placed 3rd, defeating Levrone, James, and Cormier in the process. He defeated Nasser in both 2001 and 2002.
Labrada better than Dex? That's a bit of a stretch. Again, Dex has WAY more size, along with good shape and proportions.
As for Dexter's winning the Olympia, if it were "easier" for him, it's not due to competition. It's due to the fact that FINALLY the judges have abandoned that "knock out the champion" mantra.
Prior to Jay Cutler finally beating Ronnie, it'd been 22 years since a defending Mr. O lost on stage.
Counting 2006, we've seen that happen 4 times in the last 7 years:
Cutler def. Coleman (2006)
Jackson def. Cutler (2008)
Cutler def. Jackson (2009)
Heath def. Cutler (2011)
Since Cutler defeated many of those bodybuilders you cited at the O, the fact that Dex beat Cutler for the Olympia cannot be understated. He also beat Cutler for the GNC Show of Strength title in 2003.
And he took his first of three ASC titles at Cormier's expense in 2005.
U just proved it dex like I said beat levrone and Nasser when they were going down hill. Same with Coleman, cutler is nothing to brag about he wouldn't have placed well in the 90's with the depth they had. Beating Cormier was debatable as many said Chris was the clear winner .
My thing is dex NEVER beat Ray.....
And from what u posted from 2001 and down he wouldn't have placed well with the guys I've mentioned levrone, Cormier 99, flex and Nasser would murder him
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U just proved it dex like I said beat levrone and Nasser when they were going down hill. Same with Coleman, cutler is nothing to brag about he wouldn't have placed well in the 90's with the depth they had. Beating Cormier was debatable as many said Chris was the clear winner .
Cutler was still an amateur in the early 90s; he turned pro in 1996. By the turn of the century, Cutler started beating those same guys. So did Dexter.
As for their going downhill, I beg to differ there as those guys were still top Olympia placers and winning shows. Cormier did get a measure of revenge on Jackson by beating him in San Francisco a week after Dex beat him as the ASC.
And he beat Cormier in 2004 Olympia, after Cormier suffered what some would call a controversial loss to Cutler at the ASC.
Levrone going down hill? He was second to Ronnie in 2002. One year later, Dex beat him and Dennis James and Gunter Schlierkamp to take third. Cutler surpassed Levrone as well in 2001, a year after Levrone placed second to Ronnie in 2000.
I could argue that Levrone may not have been second in the 2002 Olympia, had Cutler competed that year. Once Cutler came back, he stayed in second place, until he finally beat Ronnie in 2006. That, to me, legitimizes Dex's win over Cutler in 2008.
My point is that Dexter quickly became a major contender.
My thing is dex NEVER beat Ray.....
And from what u posted from 2001 and down he wouldn't have placed well with the guys I've mentioned levrone, Cormier 99, flex and Nasser would murder him
Nasser has lost to guys much smaller than he, namely Flex Wheeler, twice.
Dex has faced many of these guys these guys head to head and beaten them, excluding Ray.
And, unlike all of those aforementioned men, Dex won the Olympia.
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So in conclusion ;D
Heath > Dexter ;)
See what I did there?lol
But I know many would disagree but by your analogy since Heath has won 2 olympias...
Levrone was going downhill and finally hit rock bottom in 03 with an injury, Nasser with all that oil and body deteriorating.
Bottom line dex wont beat a PRIME levrone, wheeler, ray, Yates, Nasser , Cormier
Dex is good and yes competition has gotten worse why do u think he might win a 4th Arnold competition is weak many would agree.
Victor Martinez in 2007 IMO would kill all versions of dexter
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And beating cutler is nothing to brag about he is one of the worse MR O's
2001 is still his best with 09 maybe next
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So in conclusion ;D
Heath > Dexter ;)
See what I did there?lol
But I know many would disagree but by your analogy since Heath has won 2 olympias...
Levrone was going downhill and finally hit rock bottom in 03 with an injury, Nasser with all that oil and body deteriorating.
Bottom line dex wont beat a PRIME levrone, wheeler, ray, Yates, Nasser , Cormier
How do you go downhill fast in a year? Dex in his prime can hang with any of those guys listed in their prime. In fact, he did so and beat many of them. These guys were winning shows and placing high in the Olympia, when Dexter defeated them.
As for Heath, he was nipping at Dex's heels, the year he won the Olympia and could have placed second that year at the O. He surpassed Dex in 2010 and, one year later, he knocked off Cutler.
Dex is good and yes competition has gotten worse why do u think he might win a 4th Arnold competition is weak many would agree.
Victor Martinez in 2007 IMO would kill all versions of dexter
Kill Dexter? Doubtful. He beat Dex at the ASC and the Olympia that year. But, those two are neck and neck. I wish Martinez hadn't suffered that knee injury in 2008. Who knows what could have happened.
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9 days, Cedric!
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Dexter is better than Victor because even at Vic best in 07 he couldn't hold a candle to Dex's conditioning. He'd make Vic look 4 weeks out.
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Dexter is better than Victor because even at Vic best in 07 he couldn't hold a candle to Dex's conditioning. He'd make Vic look 4 weeks out.
voice of reason wiggs thankfully,,,dex looked awesome in masters win looked like he turned the clock back to his mro build...
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guy is a million times better than phil head
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Dexter > than Heath
He has a balanced complete physique Heath doesn't
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So in conclusion ;D
Heath > Dexter ;)
See what I did there?lol
But I know many would disagree but by your analogy since Heath has won 2 olympias...
Levrone was going downhill and finally hit rock bottom in 03 with an injury, Nasser with all that oil and body deteriorating.
Bottom line dex wont beat a PRIME levrone, wheeler, ray, Yates, Nasser , Cormier
Dex is good and yes competition has gotten worse why do u think he might win a 4th Arnold competition is weak many would agree.
Victor Martinez in 2007 IMO would kill all versions of dexter
Cant disagree with that, it's a travesty he didnt beat Gutler that year. Too bad he could never duplicate the shape he had that year. Getting robbed like that had to take some wind out of his sails for sure
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And beating cutler is nothing to brag about he is one of the worse MR O's
2001 is still his best with 09 maybe next
You are on fire today Bevo. Dead on, it's sad to think Jay has FOUR Mr. O's! I know when i think of Mr. Olympia, I think of him with thick ass folds of skin on his lowerback
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lol good job at making rhoden look like he does some moderate swimming in his spare time
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How do you go downhill fast in a year? Dex in his prime can hang with any of those guys listed in their prime. In fact, he did so and beat many of them. These guys were winning shows and placing high in the Olympia, when Dexter defeated them.
As for Heath, he was nipping at Dex's heels, the year he won the Olympia and could have placed second that year at the O. He surpassed Dex in 2010 and, one year later, he knocked off Cutler.
Kill Dexter? Doubtful. He beat Dex at the ASC and the Olympia that year. But, those two are neck and neck. I wish Martinez hadn't suffered that knee injury in 2008. Who knows what could have happened.
Ok so all in their primes who do u think is the best? U honestly think dex is better than a prime levrone, flex, Cormier, ray??
If u say yes u are the only one and outta of your mind, nassers prime would kill dex!
I like dex but u r delusional to think he is better than those mentioned in their PRIME! :D
Yes u can go downhill quick bc of injuries , mentally not their anymore good example is Cormier in his last Olympia prior to the AC and other shows ;)
By your analogy Ronnie lost to dexter so Ronnie is inferior too ::)
IMO victor had more potential than dex, taller, better flow, structure and shows in 2007 he CAN do it
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dex is not as good as prime cormier levrone shawn
no way
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Yeah dex better than a prime levrone.....
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flex did not have implants.
toney, dex and ced are the top three at the asc.
lol. yeah whatever...
reading mags of the day, one day the guy has zero calves..like toothpicks..., the next, they are all of a sudden THERE!
ray better than dex?!... rofl.. blocky little midget with shitty FDB... and flex?!... he had arms and shoulders... thats it...
levrone was better than flex, Dex's FDB was the best ever...
and cormier;s FDB looks weird..not at all flowing and in proportion like Dex's...
FDB sorts out who's the best..not many have a good FDB.
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Those two are on par with one another. But the fact remains Dex beat Cormier at (or near) his prime, particularly in 2003 (at the Show of Strength). He placed one spot behind Cormier in 2002 at the O.
He beat Cormier at the O in 2004 and won his first ASC against him in 2005.
These were the years where Cormier, as well as Levrone, were still top Olympia contender and still winning shows. Dex is on their level.
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And beating cutler is nothing to brag about he is one of the worse MR O's
2001 is still his best with 09 maybe next
Then explain why, since 2001 onward, the only guy that could beat him at the O was Coleman (Jackson beat Cutler and Cormier at the Show of Strength).
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lol. yeah whatever...
reading mags of the day, one day the guy has zero calves..like toothpicks..., the next, they are all of a sudden THERE!
ray better than dex?!... rofl.. blocky little midget with shitty FDB... and flex?!... he had arms and shoulders... thats it...
levrone was better than flex, Dex's FDB was the best ever...
and cormier;s FDB looks weird..not at all flowing and in proportion like Dex's...
FDB sorts out who's the best..not many have a good FDB.
Flex always had calves...as a matter of fact, when Shawn Ray accused him of calf implants it was back in 93. His calves looked the same as they did in 90,91,92...and Shawn admitted to making it up on here. His own words. Now, Flex did say he used escilene. And if you look at that pic of Flex in that black and white leotard with Lenda Murray, you see that his calves were huge---probably due to escilene. One doesn't take implants in and out like shoe inserts.
His calves did look worse as he used Synthol---they didn't "flex" like they used to.
Flex's shape was/is better than Dex's, but Dex's conditioning is better as a whole than Flex. Dex consistently gets in shape, whereas Flex relied on his shape to pull him thru.
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lol. yeah whatever...
reading mags of the day, one day the guy has zero calves..like toothpicks..., the next, they are all of a sudden THERE!
ray better than dex?!... rofl.. blocky little midget with shitty FDB... and flex?!... he had arms and shoulders... thats it...
levrone was better than flex, Dex's FDB was the best ever...
and cormier;s FDB looks weird..not at all flowing and in proportion like Dex's...
FDB sorts out who's the best..not many have a good FDB.
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U r a funny guy.... Calling ray a midget? What does that make dex??
Cormier weird proportions?? U need your eyes checked he has better structure than dex
(http://www.true-natural-bodybuilding.com/imagerotator/pics/chris-cormier-3.jpg)
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Then explain why, since 2001 onward, the only guy that could beat him at the O was Coleman (Jackson beat Cutler and Cormier at the Show of Strength).
U still haven't answered my question ;) quit dodging
Btw Gunter beat Coleman at the 02 show of strength and branch has beaten dex as well....
Here's the question does a dex beat a PRIME Cormier like the 99 O version, levrone, flex, ray , Nasser??
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Yeah dex better than a prime levrone..... NOT.
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levrone = uncrowned mr o
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Yeah dex better than a prime levrone..... NOT.
Yes sir but there are guys here that think just cause cutler won the O is better than Cormier, Levrone, wheeler.... ::)
Well, going by that Phil has 2 O's compared to dex is he better? Most would say dex.....
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Then explain why, since 2001 onward, the only guy that could beat him at the O was Coleman (Jackson beat Cutler and Cormier at the Show of Strength).
because Cutler was the Golden Boy, his name should be The Gift, as he got more gifts than anyone. He was gifted the O. He seemed like the powers that be really liked him, and as long as kept his nose clean and mouth shut, he would be the next in line. Now, Cutler is not without his strengths--which are width, great quads, and knew how to market himself. And a great wife supporting him, which equals stability. He also didn't have a "bad boy" image or was constantly getting trouble.
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Hahaha rays FDb is better than dex, classic vacuum pose...and no ninja turtle look/gut
Dex is a poor mans Shawn ray
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Iremember dexter saying in 2001 when shawn retired
I'm sorry shawn retired I wanted to kick his ass"
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;D
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looks good, worthy of MOB's t-shirt
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Yes sir but there are guys here that think just cause cutler won the O is better than Cormier, Levrone, wheeler.... ::)
Cutler beat those guys multiple times, before he won the O.
Well, going by that Phil has 2 O's compared to dex is he better? Most would say dex.....
Didn't Phil beat Dex twice for those Sandows?
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Hahaha rays FDb is better than dex, classic vacuum pose...and no ninja turtle look/gut
Dex is a poor mans Shawn ray
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Dex has bigger arms with better peaks, a wider back and bigger legs.
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levrone = uncrowned mr o
D. Jackson = CROWNED Mr. O
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;D
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I rest my case u didnt even answer my question just dodging all over ::)
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Cutler beat those guys multiple times, before he won the O.
Didn't Phil beat Dex twice for those Sandows?
Yes so by your analogy
Phil is ten times the bber dex is and is superior..
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Cool FDB
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Euclid's first common notion is this: Things which are equal to the same thing are equal to each other. That's a rule of mathematical reasoning. It's true because it works, has done and always will do. In his book, Euclid says this is self-evident. You see, there it is, even in that 2,000-year-old book of mechanical law. It is a self-evident truth that things which are equal to the same thing are equal to each other.
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MMA Math says that if Fighter A beat Fighter B, and Fighter B beat Fighter C, then Fighter A beats Fighter C if they fight.
To put it bluntly, it doesn’t work.
OMR, please talk about this...
http://www.teamtooke.com/thejiujitsutriangle.html
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MMA Math says that if Fighter A beat Fighter B, and Fighter B beat Fighter C, then Fighter A beats Fighter C if they fight.
To put it bluntly, it doesn’t work.
OMR, please talk about this...
Jose Aldo > JDS
Aldo > Florian > Din Thomas > Serra > GSP > Trigg > Misaki > Ed Herman > Glover Teixeira > Joaquim Ferreira > JDS
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thanks che still waiting on omr
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Euclid's first common notion is this: Things which are equal to the same thing are equal to each other. That's a rule of mathematical reasoning. It's true because it works, has done and always will do. In his book, Euclid says this is self-evident. You see, there it is, even in that 2,000-year-old book of mechanical law. It is a self-evident truth that things which are equal to the same thing are equal to each other.
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MMA Math says that if Fighter A beat Fighter B, and Fighter B beat Fighter C, then Fighter A beats Fighter C if they fight.
To put it bluntly, it doesn’t work.
http://mmafanguide.com/news/real-mma-math-game-theory/
A Real Example of “MMA Math”
Last Updated on Monday, 17 September, 2012 14:49 Written by MMAFanGuide Admin
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You’re probably familiar with the concept of “MMA Math” even if you never heard the term before. MMA Math says that if Fighter A beat Fighter B, and Fighter B beat Fighter C, then Fighter A beats Fighter C if they fight.
To put it bluntly, it doesn’t work. But that doesn’t mean that math doesn’t have a place in the cage. Far from it, as evidenced by this article in Popular Science magazine.
The article explains how Greg Jackson used game theory to prepare a game plan for Jon Jones to beat Rashad Evans at UFC 145. It also reveals Jackson has been using math to win fights since 1992.
Game trees are used to analyze a possible sequence of events. They can be used for all sorts of decision making; in this case, how an MMA fight will play out.
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Cutler was given wins over those guys multiple times, before he won the O.
Didn't Phil beat Dex twice for those Sandows?
Fixed
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Fixed
Here we go again, the usual 90s-guys-are-the-greatest-of-all-time routine.
Notice how these guys were awesome and great, until Cutler (and Jackson) started beating them at the Olympia and ASC (with Cutler and Jackson winning 6 of 7 ASCs and 3 Olympias, during that period). Then, all of a sudden, they've over the hill, past their prime, in a downward spiral (even though they were STILL winning shows and placing top 10 at the O).
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Peaked too soon. Will be bloated on the day of...
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Here we go again, the usual 90s-guys-are-the-greatest-of-all-time routine.
Notice how these guys were awesome and great, until Cutler (and Jackson) started beating them at the Olympia and ASC (with Cutler and Jackson winning 6 of 7 ASCs and 3 Olympias, during that period). Then, all of a sudden, they've over the hill, past their prime, in a downward spiral (even though they were STILL winning shows and placing top 10 at the O).
You're the only idiot that thinks so... Haha cutler ::) must be better than ronnie since he went from winning and looking pretty good in 05 to shit in one yr, it happens ...
By your standards branch warren is one of the best ever!! Hahahaha
90's was arguably considered the best by many in case u didn't know
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Team Branch
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Team Branch
I agree hope he wins an O
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You're the only idiot that thinks so... Haha cutler ::) must be better than ronnie since he went from winning and looking pretty good in 05 to shit in one yr, it happens ...
By your standards branch warren is one of the best ever!! Hahahaha
90's was arguably considered the best by many in case u didn't know
That's probably because, like me, those "many" cut their teeth into bodybuilding during the 90s (or, in my case, the late 80s).
Guess what!! The guys from the "Golden Era (70s)" think the same thing.
How many times did I hear and read, during the 90s, that the guys from the 70s were the greatest of all time? They trained harder; they had more comraderie; they were stronger; they weren't as drug-dependent; if they competed today, they'd still dominate; their physiques were unique and you could tell them apart by just a silhouette (whereas, today's guys are all cookie-cutter); blah, blah, blah!
You just appear upset that Cutler (and Jackson, BTW) did what your 90s favorites (excluding Dorian and Ronnie) couldn't do: WIN THE OLYMPIA!
And, they beat many of your favorites repeatedly, in the process. Cutler vaulted to 2nd at the Olympia and STAYED THERE, until he finally surpassed Ronnie.
Jackson wasn't too far behind, staying in 3rd or 4th, until he snuck up on Cutler and won it all in 2008.
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Here we go again, the usual 90s-guys-are-the-greatest-of-all-time routine.
Notice how these guys were awesome and great, until Cutler (and Jackson) started beating them at the Olympia and ASC (with Cutler and Jackson winning 6 of 7 ASCs and 3 Olympias, during that period). Then, all of a sudden, they've over the hill, past their prime, in a downward spiral (even though they were STILL winning shows and placing top 10 at the O).
cutler was gifted his wins at the ASC and O, he had a subpar back, he was two diff people. No body can explain why he won over Chris Cormier at the ASC. When you look at Chris and Cutler, you can clearly see who was better, and. Chris was the better. If Cutler had Dorian or Ronnie's back, I could see Cutler winning, but he had a subpar back.
And Cutler and Dex are from the 90s. Cutler got his Pro card in 96, Dex in 99, same as Melvin Anthony.
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That's probably because, like me, those "many" cut their teeth into bodybuilding during the 90s (or, in my case, the late 80s).
Guess what!! The guys from the "Golden Era (70s)" think the same thing.
How many times did I hear and read, during the 90s, that the guys from the 70s were the greatest of all time? They trained harder; they had more comraderie; they were stronger; they weren't as drug-dependent; if they competed today, they'd still dominate; their physiques were unique and you could tell them apart by just a silhouette (whereas, today's guys are all cookie-cutter); blah, blah, blah!
You just appear upset that Cutler (and Jackson, BTW) did what your 90s favorites (excluding Dorian and Ronnie) couldn't do: WIN THE OLYMPIA!
And, they beat many of your favorites repeatedly, in the process. Cutler vaulted to 2nd at the Olympia and STAYED THERE, until he finally surpassed Ronnie.
Jackson wasn't too far behind, staying in 3rd or 4th, until he snuck up on Cutler and won it all in 2008.
Actually..... No I say the 90's was considered one of the best era, not the best... 70's, 80's are very good too.
What u have now is Phil heaths, cutler, branch warrens.... Guys that all look smooth but ripped drugs are all over the place
Are u willing to say cutler and warren are two of the best? What do u think of branch??
Just bc one won the Olympia, and the other 2 AC where does that put them? U willing to say branch is better than Shawn Ray...
Since u been in bbing u should know that just bc a physique like dex which is very good isnt better than wheeler or levrone.... Same with cutler , I reckon to say those 2 wouldn't hang from 90-97/98.
Im sure u think cutler is better than all the guys mentioned ::)
At the same time u r probably one of those that think Phil Heath is the best ever...a long with branch ...
Form your comprehension branch is better than all the 90's guys minus Olympia winners... Haha oh brother
And this whole thing started between who is better ray or dex.. Guess what?? From your point of view of wins
Dex NEVER beat Ray so going from what u say
Ray is better than Dex ;)
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cutler was gifted his wins at the ASC and O, he had a subpar back, he was two diff people. No body can explain why he won over Chris Cormier at the ASC. When you look at Chris and Cutler, you can clearly see who was better, and. Chris was the better. If Cutler had Dorian or Ronnie's back, I could see Cutler winning, but he had a subpar back.
And Cutler and Dex are from the 90s. Cutler got his Pro card in 96, Dex in 99, same as Melvin Anthony.
Exactly someone gets it.
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Actually..... No I say the 90's was considered one of the best era, not the best... 70's, 80's are very good too.
What u have now is Phil heaths, cutler, branch warrens.... Guys that all look smooth but ripped drugs are all over the place
Heath, SMOOTH? May I suggest some bi-focals?
Are u willing to say cutler and warren are two of the best? What do u think of branch??
Cutler? YEP!! Four-time Mr.O, three time ASC winner (at the expense of the some of the very bodybuilders you mentioned).
Just bc one won the Olympia, and the other 2 AC where does that put them? U willing to say branch is better than Shawn Ray...
Not yet? Because Warren has only placed 2nd at the Olympia once. When he placed in the top 5 more consistently, then I'll reconsider.
Since u been in bbing u should know that just bc a physique like dex which is very good isnt better than wheeler or levrone.... Same with cutler , I reckon to say those 2 wouldn't hang from 90-97/98.
They were TEENAGERS or in their early 20s back then. Cutler didn't get his pro card until 1996. Jackson got his two years later.
What you keep forgetting is that, once they turned pro, they held their won with those same guys and, within a few years, they were BEATING THOSE GUYS for the most prestigious titles in bodybuilding.
Im sure u think cutler is better than all the guys mentioned ::)
Let's see: Cutler has defeated:
- Ray
- Levrone
- Cormier
- James
- El Sonbaty
- Schlierkamp
In fact, I think Flex is one of the few he hasn't beaten.
At the same time u r probably one of those that think Phil Heath is the best ever...a long with branch ...
Form your comprehension branch is better than all the 90's guys minus Olympia winners... Haha oh brother
When did I say Heath was the best ever?
Heath's legacy is still being written. But, with two Sandows on his record, he's off to a great start. One of the best? No question about it.
We get it. You don't like today's bodybuilders. You're still pining for the 90s. That ship has sailed away.
And this whole thing started between who is better ray or dex.. Guess what?? From your point of view of wins
Dex NEVER beat Ray so going from what u say
Ray is better than Dex ;)
My point of view is a COMBINATION of wins and actual titles WON.
ASCs: Jackson, 3; Ray, 1
Olympias: Jackson, 1; Ray, 0
Head-to-head in Olympias: Ray 3; Jackson, 0
I give the slight edge to Jackson.
When the Olypmpia roll is called, Jackson's name will be there FOREVER; That of Shawn Ray, will not. And since their eras overlap each other, Jackson's Olympia title gets more signficiant. It's not as if they're being compared to Larry Scott.
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Heath, SMOOTH? May I suggest some bi-focals?
Cutler? YEP!! Four-time Mr.O, three time ASC winner (at the expense of the some of the very bodybuilders you mentioned).
Not yet? Because Warren has only placed 2nd at the Olympia once. When he placed in the top 5 more consistently, then I'll reconsider.
They were TEENAGERS or in their early 20s back then. Cutler didn't get his pro card until 1996. Jackson got his two years later.
What you keep forgetting is that, once they turned pro, they held their won with those same guys and, within a few years, they were BEATING THOSE GUYS for the most prestigious titles in bodybuilding.
Let's see: Cutler has defeated:
- Ray
- Levrone
- Cormier
- James
- El Sonbaty
- Schlierkamp
In fact, I think Flex is one of the few he hasn't beaten.
When did I say Heath was the best ever?
Heath's legacy is still being written. But, with two Sandows on his record, he's off to a great start. One of the best? No question about it.
We get it. You don't like today's bodybuilders. You're still pining for the 90s. That ship has sailed away.
My point of view is a COMBINATION of wins and actual titles WON.
ASCs: Jackson, 3; Ray, 1
Olympias: Jackson, 1; Ray, 0
Head-to-head in Olympias: Ray 3; Jackson, 0
I give the slight edge to Jackson.
When the Olypmpia roll is called, Jackson's name will be there FOREVER; That of Shawn Ray, will not. And since their eras overlap each other, Jackson's Olympia title gets more signficiant. It's not as if they're being compared to Larry Scott.
culter defeated those guys when they were over the hill
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I agree, as good as Jay is, and Dex, the 90's guys as in Kevin, Flex, Shawn, Nasser, Chris were better. That's judging on physique, not titles won...
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Heath, SMOOTH? May I suggest some bi-focals?
Cutler? YEP!! Four-time Mr.O, three time ASC winner (at the expense of the some of the very bodybuilders you mentioned).
Not yet? Because Warren has only placed 2nd at the Olympia once. When he placed in the top 5 more consistently, then I'll reconsider.
They were TEENAGERS or in their early 20s back then. Cutler didn't get his pro card until 1996. Jackson got his two years later.
What you keep forgetting is that, once they turned pro, they held their won with those same guys and, within a few years, they were BEATING THOSE GUYS for the most prestigious titles in bodybuilding.
Let's see: Cutler has defeated:
- Ray
- Levrone
- Cormier
- James
- El Sonbaty
- Schlierkamp
In fact, I think Flex is one of the few he hasn't beaten.
When did I say Heath was the best ever?
Heath's legacy is still being written. But, with two Sandows on his record, he's off to a great start. One of the best? No question about it.
We get it. You don't like today's bodybuilders. You're still pining for the 90s. That ship has sailed away.
My point of view is a COMBINATION of wins and actual titles WON.
ASCs: Jackson, 3; Ray, 1
Olympias: Jackson, 1; Ray, 0
Head-to-head in Olympias: Ray 3; Jackson, 0
I give the slight edge to Jackson.
When the Olypmpia roll is called, Jackson's name will be there FOREVER; That of Shawn Ray, will not. And since their eras overlap each other, Jackson's Olympia title gets more signficiant. It's not as if they're being compared to Larry Scott.
Hahahaha u just said it yourself, when both cutler (teen) and dex turned pro they were just beginning their careers and the rest were either hanging in there (hitting peak) or right at the mark. Lets see, Kevin and flex had their best years early to mid 90's and Cormier late 90's.... Yes I'm aware of them still competing until early 2000's but Kevin wasn't the same despite his 2nd placings and later in 03 where he tore his back or triceps, he wasn't much into it anymore. Cormier had his best year in 99 and could have beaten flex. As for flex we know what happened to him... I'm aware Cormier competed in the AC and MANY SAY HE BEAT BOTH CUTLER ANS DEX, THOSE 2 were gifted! As for his last Olympia Chris wasn't the same he went downhill quick..
What you fail to understand is no I'm not stuck in the 90's era I'm just stating that the competition has gotten weaker than that mentioned...
See you GO BY WINS NOT PHYSIQUES, in your eyes if branch wins the O he is better than lee labrada , Shawn ray, kev, flex..... That's not the case..
Get cutler and dexs cock out of your mouth and look at the pics at the AC with Chris with jay and dex...
And u the one saying dex has bigger legs.... Hahaha blind, no calves to compare to ray who was known for overall legs...
It still stands
Shawn ray > Dex
If it was based on wins than Eli manning and flacco are better QB's then someone like Dan Marino , that's not the case...
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I agree, as good as Jay is, and Dex, the 90's guys as in Kevin, Flex, Shawn, Nasser, Chris were better. That's judging on physique, not titles won...
Out of all people u would know exactly and u r a pro physique division winner ;D
Arguing over just wins is one point of it but u gotta look at the whole pic, obviously the guy only knows oh cutler has 4 O's and Dex 1 so mathematically they are superior case closed .
Someone with some sense...
Hope u doing on stud haven't been back to that gym in a while :D
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culter defeated those guys when they were over the hill
Gunter was over the hill when he beat Ronnie at the Show of Strength?
Cormier was over the hill, when he won another Ironman title and placed behind Cutler as the ASC?
That's a bit of a stretch.
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Hahahaha u just said it yourself, when both cutler (teen) and dex turned pro they were just beginning their careers and the rest were either hanging in there (hitting peak) or right at the mark. Lets see, Kevin and flex had their best years early to mid 90's and Cormier late 90's.... Yes I'm aware of them still competing until early 2000's but Kevin wasn't the same despite his 2nd placings and later in 03 where he tore his back or triceps, he wasn't much into it anymore. Cormier had his best year in 99 and could have beaten flex. As for flex we know what happened to him... I'm aware Cormier competed in the AC and MANY SAY HE BEAT BOTH CUTLER ANS DEX, THOSE 2 were gifted! As for his last Olympia Chris wasn't the same he went downhill quick..
What you fail to understand is no I'm not stuck in the 90's era I'm just stating that the competition has gotten weaker than that mentioned...
What YOU fail to understand is that the competition has NOT become weaker. Those two men (Cutler and Jackson) have gone above and beyond what nearly ALL of those 90s bodybuilders have done (excluding Yates and Coleman).
Cutler knocked Levrone from the runner-up spot in 2001 and remain there (surpassing Ray and Cormier, too), except the one year he skipped the Olympia (where Levrone placed second again).
In one year, he went from 8th to 2nd, a leap only surpassed by Coleman's vaulting from 9th to 1st in one year.
See you GO BY WINS NOT PHYSIQUES, in your eyes if branch wins the O he is better than lee labrada , Shawn ray, kev, flex..... That's not the case..
Wrong again, I go by wins AND physiques. Or did you miss the part where I stated that Jackson has more mass, better peaked biceps and better quads thatn Ray, while still maintaining great shape and proportion.
Get cutler and dexs cock out of your mouth and look at the pics at the AC with Chris with jay and dex...
You're one to talk. If you suck on those 90s guys' schlongs any more, you'll be doing the backstroke in semen.
You mean the pics where Cormier loses four times to Cutler and Jackson? I've seen the pics. My statements stand.
Cormier should take it as a badge of honor that three of the four men that denied him the ASC title have THIRTEEN Sandows among them.
And u the one saying dex has bigger legs.... Hahaha blind, no calves to compare to ray who was known for overall legs...
It still stands
Shawn ray > Dex
I say that because Dex indeed has bigger legs overall. The las time I checked, quads were larger than calves. And Ray's legs look like toothpicks, compared to those of Dex.
And, at the end of the day, Dex has more titles, INCLUDING the biggest one of them all.
You can slap any title next to Ray's name you want. Heck, you can slap ALL OF THEM next to it. With Jackson, only one title is necessary: Mr. Olympia, PERIOD.
If it was based on wins than Eli manning and flacco are better QB's then someone like Dan Marino , that's not the case...
One, Manning and Flacco's career have yet to be concluded. Yet, BOTH men have more post-season wins than Marino and BOTH men have won the big one (Manning, twice) and been Super Bowl MVP.
Throwing for a zillion yards in the regular season, only to get your @$$ whipped in the playoffs (especially against the Buffalo Bills, who owned Marino and the Dolphins in the 90s) is why it took Marino as long as it did to make the Hall of Fame.
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Out of all people u would know exactly and u r a pro physique division winner ;D
Arguing over just wins is one point of it but u gotta look at the whole pic, obviously the guy only knows oh cutler has 4 O's and Dex 1 so mathematically they are superior case closed .
You miss again. I judge them by their physiques, the level of competition (WHICH INCLUDES THOSE PRECIOUS 90s GUYS), and the fact that they did what Levrone, Wheeler, Ray, Cormier, El Sonbaty, et. al. could not do: WIN THE OLYMPIA.
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Cedric is a man with muscles
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My point of view is a COMBINATION of wins and actual titles WON.
ASCs: Jackson, 3; Ray, 1
Olympias: Jackson, 1; Ray, 0
Head-to-head in Olympias: Ray 3; Jackson, 0
I give the slight edge to Jackson.
When the Olypmpia roll is called, Jackson's name will be there FOREVER; That of Shawn Ray, will not. And since their eras overlap each other, Jackson's Olympia title gets more signficiant. It's not as if they're being compared to Larry Scott.
Dex is a lot like Flex with better connections. At one point Shawn knew he could make a top 5 living out of bbing without pushing his body to the limit and only doing one show per year. Also, he has a better "after the thong" career in the industry than flex or dex will ever have.
Shawn still wins!
Oh, Rank their women! :o
Gale Elie - Booty To Go
Madeline Wheler - Cover Girl Looks
Kristi Ray - Ok Asian
Pick your venom.
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Dex is a lot like Flex with better connections. At one point Shawn knew he could make a top 5 living out of bbing without pushing his body to the limit and only doing one show per year. Also, he has a better "after the thong" career in the industry than flex or dex will ever have.
Shawn still wins!
Oh, Rank their women! :o
Gale Elie - Booty To Go
Madeline Wheler - Cover Girl Looks
Kristi Ray - Ok Asian/Mexican
Pick your venom.
fixed
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5.00+ looks like somthing taken from a Juruth story. :D
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this cedric guy is better than heath or kai could ever be...
and rhoden is a joke
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fixed
I didn't realize part II of Kristi was Mexican, thought it was Italian.
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What YOU fail to understand is that the competition has NOT become weaker. Those two men (Cutler and Jackson) have gone above and beyond what nearly ALL of those 90s bodybuilders have done (excluding Yates and Coleman).
Cutler knocked Levrone from the runner-up spot in 2001 and remain there (surpassing Ray and Cormier, too), except the one year he skipped the Olympia (where Levrone placed second again).
In one year, he went from 8th to 2nd, a leap only surpassed by Coleman's vaulting from 9th to 1st in one year.
Wrong again, I go by wins AND physiques. Or did you miss the part where I stated that Jackson has more mass, better peaked biceps and better quads thatn Ray, while still maintaining great shape and proportion.
You're one to talk. If you suck on those 90s guys' schlongs any more, you'll be doing the backstroke in semen.
You mean the pics where Cormier loses four times to Cutler and Jackson? I've seen the pics. My statements stand.
Cormier should take it as a badge of honor that three of the four men that denied him the ASC title have THIRTEEN Sandows among them.
I say that because Dex indeed has bigger legs overall. The las time I checked, quads were larger than calves. And Ray's legs look like toothpicks, compared to those of Dex.
And, at the end of the day, Dex has more titles, INCLUDING the biggest one of them all.
You can slap any title next to Ray's name you want. Heck, you can slap ALL OF THEM next to it. With Jackson, only one title is necessary: Mr. Olympia, PERIOD.
One, Manning and Flacco's career have yet to be concluded. Yet, BOTH men have more post-season wins than Marino and BOTH men have won the big one (Manning, twice) and been Super Bowl MVP.
Throwing for a zillion yards in the regular season, only to get your @$$ whipped in the playoffs (especially against the Buffalo Bills, who owned Marino and the Dolphins in the 90s) is why it took Marino as long as it did to make the Hall of Fame.
Hahahaha by your judgements branch warren is a superior bber to Chris....
And what an excuse to say quads are bigger than calves yes but dex has NO calves. And Shawn's are toothpicks u seem pretty blind yourself
U are the only guy in this whole entire site that thinks cutler is better than all those mentioned , that should be a badge of honor in itself.... I wonder why??? Hmmmm guess there's gotta be a guy to play devils advocate
Btw Eli has beaten Brady twice in the SB is he better than Brady??? Of course he is according to u ::)
How bout this is Eli better than Peyton?? I'll wait for a more delusional answer coming from u
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What YOU fail to understand is that the competition has NOT become weaker. Those two men (Cutler and Jackson) have gone above and beyond what nearly ALL of those 90s bodybuilders have done (excluding Yates and Coleman).
Cutler knocked Levrone from the runner-up spot in 2001 and remain there (surpassing Ray and Cormier, too), except the one year he skipped the Olympia (where Levrone placed second again).
In one year, he went from 8th to 2nd, a leap only surpassed by Coleman's vaulting from 9th to 1st in one year.
Wrong again, I go by wins AND physiques. Or did you miss the part where I stated that Jackson has more mass, better peaked biceps and better quads thatn Ray, while still maintaining great shape and proportion.
You're one to talk. If you suck on those 90s guys' schlongs any more, you'll be doing the backstroke in semen.
You mean the pics where Cormier loses four times to Cutler and Jackson? I've seen the pics. My statements stand.
Cormier should take it as a badge of honor that three of the four men that denied him the ASC title have THIRTEEN Sandows among them.
I say that because Dex indeed has bigger legs overall. The las time I checked, quads were larger than calves. And Ray's legs look like toothpicks, compared to those of Dex.
And, at the end of the day, Dex has more titles, INCLUDING the biggest one of them all.
You can slap any title next to Ray's name you want. Heck, you can slap ALL OF THEM next to it. With Jackson, only one title is necessary: Mr. Olympia, PERIOD.
One, Manning and Flacco's career have yet to be concluded. Yet, BOTH men have more post-season wins than Marino and BOTH men have won the big one (Manning, twice) and been Super Bowl MVP.
Throwing for a zillion yards in the regular season, only to get your @$$ whipped in the playoffs (especially against the Buffalo Bills, who owned Marino and the Dolphins in the 90s) is why it took Marino as long as it did to make the Hall of Fame.
One more thing u think besides 2001 and 2009 cutler was the deserving winner? Cutler had more gifts than Ronnie. Victor should have beaten him in 07 and even wolf was better and they wouldn't compare wolf to cutler cause wolf outright killed the pillsbury doughboy.
U think all the titles won by cutler is deserving including his AC win over Cormier. The pics are clear that Chris was better. Cutler is OVERRATED shit physique , most would agree . Same with branch u think he deserved the AC wins?? U are one delusional person if u answer yes
And yes the competition has gotten weaker those 90's guys I already explained but u fail to understand were already on their way out, beating a levrone in the 2000's is not the same as early to mid 90's and yes I know he was still placing good but u have to agree his legs and back were gone, just a matter of time. Flex played the size game with all sorts of oil/health problems that finally caught up with him, and ray retired in 01. Chris was the only one but politics played a big role and by then cutler was the golden boy he wasn't going to lose. Guess that's how it is when it's a subjective "sport"
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Good squats
Specially for a tall guy
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I bet on Ced to win. I know Dexter will be on point but I'm hoping they go with some new blood.
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One more thing u think besides 2001 and 2009 cutler was the deserving winner? Cutler had more gifts than Ronnie. Victor should have beaten him in 07 and even wolf was better and they wouldn't compare wolf to cutler cause wolf outright killed the pillsbury doughboy.
U think all the titles won by cutler is deserving including his AC win over Cormier. The pics are clear that Chris was better. Cutler is OVERRATED shit physique , most would agree . Same with branch u think he deserved the AC wins?? U are one delusional person if u answer yes
Your anti-Cutler, anti-Warren rants border on the obsessive.
And yes the competition has gotten weaker those 90's guys I already explained but u fail to understand were already on their way out, beating a levrone in the 2000's is not the same as early to mid 90's and yes I know he was still placing good but u have to agree his legs and back were gone, just a matter of time. Flex played the size game with all sorts of oil/health problems that finally caught up with him, and ray retired in 01. Chris was the only one but politics played a big role and by then cutler was the golden boy he wasn't going to lose. Guess that's how it is when it's a subjective "sport"
Levrone placed 2nd at the Olympia twice in the 90s. He placed second at the O twice in the 2000s. That's downhill, alright. ::)
If Jay's the Golden Boy, why did he get knocked off the perch, TWICE, by two guys smaller than he?
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No real weak points. Back development is also good.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/22972/52222/d/img_22181337565738.jpg)
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Hahahaha by your judgements branch warren is a superior bber to Chris....
And what an excuse to say quads are bigger than calves yes but dex has NO calves. And Shawn's are toothpicks u seem pretty blind yourself
That's no excuse; that's fact, just as lats are larger than calves. Dex gets the nod on those, as well. I compared their physiques and the titles won.
U are the only guy in this whole entire site that thinks cutler is better than all those mentioned , that should be a badge of honor in itself.... I wonder why??? Hmmmm guess there's gotta be a guy to play devils advocate
Nope!! It's because Cutler BEAT those guys at the ASC and the Olympia, eventually winning the Olympia.
The combo of beating those men, head-to-head, COUPLED with his winning the big one four times (even if you take away 2007, the one about which you keep blubbering) is why I made my statements.
Btw Eli has beaten Brady twice in the SB is he better than Brady??? Of course he is according to u ::)
How bout this is Eli better than Peyton?? I'll wait for a more delusional answer coming from u
Boy, you can't grasph a simple concept. I never claimed Brady was better than E. Manning. Nor would I, at this point, because Brady has more post-season wins and more rings, in addition to his regular-season stats (even though Eli beat him head-to-head, twice). If Eli gets another ring, then things get interesting.
As for Eli being better than Peyton......ABSOLUTELY!!! Peyton has a losing post-season record and one ring. Eli has a winning post-season record, TWO RINGS, and two Super Bowl MVPs.
W
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The Jiu Jitsu Triangle
If the title of this page made you think we were going to discuss the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu triangle choke, well my bad. I want to discuss another type of triangle that happens all the time in grappling. The Jiu jitsu Triangle I'm refering to is when, for example, I can tap you out, you can tap "Joe" out and Joe can tap me out. Many grapplers assume that when they defeat another grappler(Joe) it means that they can beat just about everyone who Joe beats. This is, of course, false and this type of thinking will stall your learning.
A few notable examples are: 1)Abu Dhabi 2003-Xande Ribeiro defeats Dean Lister, Cacareco taps out Xande Ribeiro, Dean Lister taps out Cacareco to win the Absolute after losing his second match in his weight class. 2)Demian Maia has defeated 2X Absolute Mundial Champion Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza, "Jacare" has defeated Braulio Estima 4 times, Braulio Estima has tapped out Demian Maia. 3)Cameron Earle defeated Marcelo Garcia, Marcelo Garcia tapped out Rafael Lovato, Lovato tapped out Cameron Earle.
Far too many factors come into play in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu competition and in sparring that there is never really a "best grappler". Just a list of top grapplers. We all know that some days you feel better than others. Some days you are more alert, more energetic and tapping out everyone. Other days you have low energy, don't feel like training and can't put anything together the way you want. Competition is even more stressful. Now you have the pressure to do well, everyone's watching and sometimes there's no second chance to fight if you lose. And what about styles. We've all heard "styles make fights", right? Sometimes someone's game, or style, is just seemingly too hard to beat. You may be better than this person in every aspect of the game, EXCEPT for passing this rediculous maze of a guard your opponent has.
We have all been there, I know I have(Living in Brazil, I was exposed to so many styles from some of the best in the world. Some guys I could beat, others I really believed were unbeatable, until I saw that they lost just like everyone, just very rarely and only against very smart opponents). You may also be one of those guys(or gals) who has one very strong part of your game but other very weak areas. Whether you have trouble against certain styles, body types, or are dependent on one style of your own, you owe it to yourself to learn the strength's and weaknesses of yourself and others. If you are just a guard person, work on your top game and standup training(wrestling, Judo) in practice. If you can't do well against flexible people for example, ask yourself and your coach what steps you can take to become more successful. Nobody likes to lose or perform poorly, however if you learn something new every time, then you will be that much better and that much more prepared for the next challenge.
Remember, no single victory will put you above all the rest just as no loss will set you that far back. Your ability to consistently improve and challenge yourself is what will determine your success in Martial Arts and in life. I challenge you to train smarter and with a open mind every time you step onto the mat. I promise that you will learn faster than you ever thought possible. Now go get better.Good training.
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Gunter was over the hill when he beat Ronnie at the Show of Strength?
Cormier was over the hill, when he won another Ironman title and placed behind Cutler as the ASC?
That's a bit of a stretch.
that was a gift
culter should never have beaten cormier
and gunter was given a gift also....
... also i dont consider gunter or cutler as great.... throw phil in that bundle too
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Keep it on topic, foo fighter
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that was a gift
culter should never have beaten cormier
and gunter was given a gift also....
... also i dont consider gunter or cutler as great.... throw phil in that bundle too
Heh, well, Cutler won the '09 Olympia hands-down.
And I'm sorry, man, but Gunter whipped Ronnie's ass at the 2002 Olympia AND SOS. I grant that, if Ronnie was anywhere near his best, that never would've happened; regardless, even the biggest Ronnie nut-sucker has to admit he looked terrible at the '02 Olympia and SOS, too. (He filled out for that show, but his gut paid the price. People can whine about ticket sales and hype all they want, but Gunter kicked his ass fair and square then. Levrone would've too if he hadn't lost his 90's leg size and back thickness. Transpose 1994 or 1995 Kev at the '02 Olympia, when Ronnie's arms were all scrawny-looking. Peanut would've done VERY well to place second by virtue of his overall hardness and back development.)
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2002 Olympia the crowd were going wild for Gunter, I was there. I thought he should have won.
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that was a gift
culter should never have beaten cormier
and gunter was given a gift also....
... also i dont consider gunter or cutler as great.... throw phil in that bundle too
You don't ever consider ONE single white guy great, while you consider every single monkey great. Think about that, retard.
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You don't ever consider ONE single white guy great, while you consider every single monkey great. Think about that, retard.
.. i dont watch colour.... .. you seem to be really vexed ... to the point you are ready to call a whole kind of people monkeys.... but it is the internet rigt... people can do and say and be all badass on the internet ....
there are loads of white brothers that i think are excelent bbers
larry scott
bob paris
zane
arnold
mike mentzer...
lou
Dorian... i may banter in the ronnie v dorian threads but dorian was great
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gunter is a good bber .... culter is a good bber not great ... no way ...
and if you notice i said throw that gift phil in the bundle too good bber but not great...
and no gunter didnt desreve to win the SOS no way...
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Cedric has some interesting training technique
Seems to do btw 6-9 sets per body part (per his Q&A thread at MD.com and from his videos)
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Gunter was way better then Ronnie at SOS. Ronnie looked 4 weeks out, horrible, in fact Ronnie should have came third, it was not even close.
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personally i thought gunter brought it that day and althuogh ronnie was off, he wasnt that far off...
gunter was massive, and in shape. even if ronnie was "on", im not so sure it was that cut and dry between them... gunter has an interesting physique- not greatly aesthetic, but not at all unpleasing...
and some wicked mass.
cutler has always looked like shit... even when in top shape... ugly physique.
cormier was and always was, a top 5 -10 placer. just like ray was a 3rd to 5th guy... they just had a few things missing or oddly shaped or developed. rays pecs and bis and blocky legs, cormier's pecs say real high and his legs didnt flare and his rear DB was odd in that it lacked back thickness...
the FDB sorts everyone out though.. and thats where cutler looks shit and unbalanced, ray and cormier cant stand next to labrada or haney or levrone et al..
Dex and flex stand out among the rest, but flex lacked quads and had implants, and dex struggles without the implants...
yates killed it with the new generation of grainy mass, not with proportions, but really was the first time someone came in with massive everything... nasser was ugly from the day he was born, just a mess of massive bodyparts...
levrone, dex, coleman, haney, labrada, macmillan... are the real top shelfers from the last 20 or so years.. i dont count flex cos one day he had sticks for calves, the next they were blurred cows.. maybe the best arms and shoulders ever bar coleman, but everything else was pretty average, or below average for a pro.
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buddy of mine got this shot of Ced last night...looking ON!
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buddy of mine got this shot of Ced last night...looking ON!
Looks good but arms and shoulders are too big for his back.
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Looks good but arms and shoulders are too big for his back.
And that isn't the case for Heath :-\
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And that isn't the case for Heath :-\
Nope, are you blind Meso ?
(http://www.musclelegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/philheatharmflexing.gif)
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Nope, are you blind Meso ?
(http://www.musclelegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/philheatharmflexing.gif)
Negative, but you clearly are, just like Affeman
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i look good in black and white too.
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Looks good but arms and shoulders are too big for his back.
Yea he definitely needs more thickness in his back overall to balance out.
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28 weeks out
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Nope, are you blind Meso ?
(http://www.musclelegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/philheatharmflexing.gif)
From the front che?
And I'm not stop using these md flex pics
Everyone looks perfect in those
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(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/d1969816.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/a7510a08.jpg)
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(http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/banana1015.com/files/2012/05/Reiterx-large.jpg)
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From the front che?
How can you see his back front the front ?
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(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQxyONVdPHcLQNDLFWyriS4UldC1h0NkhmzKRDl0teOV7Y18e-w)
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(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQxyONVdPHcLQNDLFWyriS4UldC1h0NkhmzKRDl0teOV7Y18e-w)
Stop trolling
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It is a form of ttt Now I already warned you.
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He is still nine days out
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It is a form of ttt Now I already warned you.
No need to ttt this thread
You warned me? LOL
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Sign the waiver.