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Damn Zane Being Dwarfed by Joe Weider
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Muscle weights more than fat.... ;)
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Muscle weights more than fat.... ;)
The last time I checked, a pound of muscle and a pound of fat weight the same. ;)
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The last time I checked, a pound of muscle and a pound of fat weight the same. ;)
what weights more 100lbs of Metal or 100lbs of Feathers ??? ???
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what weights more 100lbs of Metal or 100lbs of Feathers ??? ???
I`m sure a fool would say 100lbs of feathers would weigh less.
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what weights more 100lbs of Metal or 100lbs of Feathers ??? ???
if you throw 100lbs of feathers from a building together with 100lbs of metal
the feathers will disperse and go down a lot slower
so 100lbs of metal weighs more
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if you throw 100lbs of feathers from a building together with 100lbs of metal
the feathers will disperse and go down a lot slower
so 100lbs of metal weighs more
That wasn't the question. And no, the feathers collectively still weigh 100 pounds, even if they are no longer static. i.e. floating in air. Their weight is displaced by the air, but their weight does not change. When they return to the ground, there is still 100lbs of feathers.
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That wasn`t the question. And no, the feathers collectively still weight 100 pounds, even if they are no longer static. i.e. floating in air.
let's pm biolayne on youtube
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let's pm biolayne on youtube
No need to. 100bs is 100lbs. Had the OP asked which would be more fatal if dropped from a significant height on top of your head, that would bring about a different answer due to the displacement of the feathers as they fall. But in terms of static weight, they would equally crush your head.
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Great conditioning
I wonder how much Joe's stache "weighted"
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the secret is he only had big muscles not a big midsection
that's why his weight was not high
honestly how much does a 20" arm weight?
not nearly enough to justify a bodyweight of 280lbs on stage
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How old was Zane in that pic?
Wooossshhhhhhhhh
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Great conditioning
I wonder how much Joe's stache "weighted"
That's why he kicked Mentzer to the curb. No matter how muscular, ripped Arnold, Sergio, Robby were, they were no match for Joe's stache. But Mentzer came along and the sheer majesty of his stache installed the fear in Joe that he might not retain his title for much longer. he was about to get outmassed. Stache monster era would have begun if old Joe had let Mentzer climb his way to the top.
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That's why he kicked Mentzer to the curb. No matter how muscular, ripped Arnold, Sergio, Robby were, they were no match for Joe's stache. But Mentzer came along and the sheer majesty of his stache installed the fear in Joe that he might not retain his title for much longer. he was about to get outmassed. Stache monster era would have begun if old Joe had let Mentzer climb his way to the top.
Also explains Pete Grimko's lack of success... You're onto something here
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Great conditioning
I wonder how much Joe's stache "weighted"
That secret may never be lifted.
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was arnold really banging zanes wife?
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Zane sure was a small guy....but only in the waist departement buddy... ;)
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Zane sure was a small guy....but only in the waist departement buddy... ;)
agreed
(http://anthonymychal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/frank-zane1.jpg)
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when i was a teenager i used to get very upset at frank zane threads
that small prick pissed me off
lol
teenagers delusions
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agreed
(http://anthonymychal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/frank-zane1.jpg)
His cock looks good here. (no homo of course)
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the ones who think zane was small are disturbingly delusional.
The kind of "swimmer physique" I'd like to sport once at the nearest pool.
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in the pics with arnold on the beach he had a higher bf, looked much better and bigger
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His cock looks good here. (no homo of course)
honestly man, i noticed that too (no homo)
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The kind of "swimmer physique" I'd like to sport once at the nearest pool.
I once read an article on his prep to the 77, 78 & 79 Olympias
All he did was breast stroke on day one, day 2 was diving off the high board, and day 3 was a rest day
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The last time I checked, a pound of muscle and a pound of fat weight the same. ;)
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I never said pound for pound, I was referring to the fact a smaller than Joe Weider Zane, would actually weight much more...
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the ones who think zane was small are disturbingly delusional.
True he took his physique to the max for his structure it's genes like my wrist is twice as big as my cousin's which I train and arms twice his size. Zane = a great physique for the his structure.
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Zane was probably very impressive in person......pictures don't always do justice.
imho
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True he took his physique to the max for his structure it's genes like my wrist is twice as big as my cousin's which I train and arms twice his size. Zane = a great physique for the his structure.
If someone's bone in their arm is half and inch thicker then its not extra muscle, just the bone really.
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If someone's bone in their arm is half and inch thicker then its not extra muscle, just the bone really.
Well possibly but say Sergio Oliva. I bet his wrist was bigger than mine so easier to increase bicep size because the bone size adds to the overall arm size. Just saying.
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Well possibly but say Sergio Oliva. I bet his wrist was bigger than mine so easier to increase bicep size because the bone size adds to the overall arm size. Just saying.
it's easier to increase muscle size if you have thicker bones/joints coz these thicker bones/joints can better take the strain of very heavy training loads
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it's easier to increase muscle size if you have thicker bones/joints coz these thicker bones/joints can better take the strain of very heavy training loads
You build more muscle with mid rep range rather than heavy weights so joint size doesnt really matter, apart from the fact you look much bigger when you have small joints.
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bone size is important for WSM competitors, bbers not so much
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it's easier to increase muscle size if you have thicker bones/joints coz these thicker bones/joints can better take the strain of very heavy training loads
I don't have a big bone structure and have never had a problem with strength.
I think it might have to do with bone density, if the bones are strong. I'm not sure if all bones which are the same size weigh the same, that it depends on their density.
There's even a condition which some people have were their bones are super-dense and adds a lot of weight to the scale even though they're not big.
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bone size is important for WSM competitors, bbers not so much
Correct, its big bones and tendon strength for WMS.
Strip the fat off the WSM guys and 90% of them wouldnt have that much muscle.
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I don't have a big bone structure and have never had a problem with strength.
I think it might have to do with bone density, if the bones are strong. I'm not sure if all bones which are the same size weigh the same, that it depends on their density.
There's even a condition which some people have were their bones are super-dense and adds a lot of weight to the scale even though they're not big.
big bone structure definitely enhances strength
you may be strong
but not as strong as "big farm boy" type guys
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You build more muscle with mid rep range rather than heavy weights so joint size doesnt really matter, apart from the fact you look much bigger when you have small joints.
what do you mean by mid rep range?
and do you really think that one can build bigger muscles without increasing their training loads?
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Gayer then wrapping your arm around a guys waist to take a pic
(http://www.getfit4yourlife.freehomepage.com/images/frank_zane_432x468_285x420.jpg)
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I have to say, Zane doesn't get his props around here. I would rather look like him than any of today's current crop. That black and white vacuum shot has to be one of the most iconic bbing poses (and pic). Right up there with Arnold's twisting one arm shot, and Sergio's Victory pose.
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what do you mean by mid rep range?
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and do you really think that one can build bigger muscles without increasing their training loads?
Yes, you can vary the exercises and pre-exhaust muscles with different movements and increase muscle size.
You can do drop sets giant sets all without adding loads of weight.
Adding weight gradually works as well, but it isnt the only way.
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Zane couldn't turn pro today, no way possible. Arthur Jones says he was close to 170 lbs and after Zane lied about his weight and refused to get on a scale. Also wouldn't let his arm be measured when Jones taped a much larger Viator's arm.
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Yes, you can vary the exercises and pre-exhaust muscles with different movements and increase muscle size.
You can do drop sets giant sets all without adding loads of weight.
Adding weight gradually works as well, but it isnt the only way.
yeah, but even if you do those advanced techniques you still gotta add weight to the bar to get bigger
and 15 reps on upper? i wish i could make gains doing that many reps on upper...
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Zane couldn't turn pro today, no way possible.
And thats a bad thing because?
Todays pro bodybuilders look a fuckin mess.
Arthur Jones says he was close to 170 lbs and after Zane lied about his weight and refused to get on a scale. Also wouldn't let his arm be measured when Jones taped a much larger Viator's arm.
Who cares what a tape measure says?
Zane was a three time MrO Casey won none
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Who cares what a tape measure says?
Zane was a three time MrO Casey won none
wish i could think that way
i'm now trying to get ripped and i'm nearly fucking obsessed with getting my waist down to 28.5 inches and my ab skinfold down to 4-5 mm
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yeah, but even if you do those advanced techniques you still gotta add weight to the bar to get bigger
I use pretty much the same weights each session, I occasionally go a bit heavier, but I push the muscle to failure on the last couple of sets of an excercise.
Oh and Im still gaining at 47.
and 15 reps on upper? i wish i could make gains doing that many reps on upper...
15 isnt a lot of reps, I go over way over that on certain exercises.
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And thats a bad thing because?
Todays pro bodybuilders look a fuckin mess.
Who cares what a tape measure says?
Zane was a three time MrO Casey won none
Exactly the mirror don't lie, do they measure on stage ie no.
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i'm now trying to get ripped and i'm nearly fucking obsessed with getting my waist down to 28.5 inches and my ab skinfold down to 4-5 mm
If you look good then you look good, fuck the measurements
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If you look good then you look good, fuck the measurements
Exactly the mirror don't lie, do they measure on stage ie no.
thanks dudes, but it ain't so easy to do since our society is focused on numbers...
oh well, fuck it! i don't like listening to what society tries to tell me anyways ;D
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Zane couldn't turn pro today, no way possible. Arthur Jones says he was close to 170 lbs and after Zane lied about his weight and refused to get on a scale. Also wouldn't let his arm be measured when Jones taped a much larger Viator's arm.
casey was one hell of a bber.......very impressive physique no doubt about it......zane was not 170......could care less what arthur jones said.....jones made many insane statements.......zane won three sandows.....period paragraph......jones was a blow hard.....casey was a guy that got away from arthur in later years......i don't think casey fully believed what jones was preaching.....just my 2 cents.
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so what if zanes arms arent todays pro material?
lets say his arms were 17inches in contest condition.
now surely theres alot of fatsos here who have "bigger" arms than that, like a bloofy fat 18inch arm of dbol bloat,and theyre sitting at 20% bodyfat and are heavier than zane at 5%.
they now think "if i lean down, id be bigger than him".
well, if its so easy, go ahead and do that.
i trained for a decade,on and off gear and pound per pound, inch for inch height, i dont match zane yet.
and that only size, lets not even mention his flawless lines and 1 in a million bone structure.
guess what, shawn rays arms have been 18 inches.thats from his own mouth.
was he small?
Exactly
If its so easy to look like King Zane, then fucking do it...
THREE times MR OLYMPIA. Viator may have had great 19" arms, but that didn't get him a sandow. Even Jones, who I'm conviced was either mentally ill, drug abuser or both, would've understood that.
By the way, as posted earlier, the refusal to measure arms when compared to Viator, may have been Franco...? Franco had < 17" arms in contest shape. All that was related about that story was "a mr olympia winner with very defined but obviously much smaller arms". Doesn't mean it was Zane. Couldve been Dickerson or Franco. At time of that writing maybe Bannout... People that only know "that swimmer Zane" as some small guy from the B&W days, may assume Zane, but Zane while being no monster wasn't small.
Regarding Ray, he had perfect insertion points and attachments, bicep and tricep wise, plus forearms that matched. His 18" arms looked like 20"
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I have to say, Zane doesn't get his props around here. I would rather look like him than any of today's current crop. That black and white vacuum shot has to be one of the most iconic bbing poses (and pic). Right up there with Arnold's twisting one arm shot, and Sergio's Victory pose.
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And thats a bad thing because?
Todays pro bodybuilders look a fuckin mess.
Who cares what a tape measure says?
Zane was a three time MrO Casey won none
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I wonder how much Joe's stache "weighted"
Bluto would of known :-\
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Zane's 1977 seminar would've gone over like a lead balloon in the pump training threads
Remember when you have minimum time, you can't have maximum effort. Really, if you can rest a little longer, you can put more effort into your workout. When you compromise on time, you minimize the amount of weight you use. The amount of weight you use on an exercise is what makes the muscle bigger. So when I am training for size, I rest longer so that I can use heavier weights.
Right now (June, 1977) I am training with the single set system adding weight whenever possible.
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1972
Zane killing Arnold on structure (not size)
A none-too-common 'true' relaxed from arnie i.e. shoulders not hiked up to disguise their slope
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"The amount of weight you use on an exercise is what makes the muscle bigger."
THIS is what i've been saying all along and so it's good to know that King Zane agrees 8)
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Zane's 1977 seminar would've gone over like a lead balloon in the pump training threads
Where do these excerpts come from ?
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nah they both have their lats out and are rotating the shoulders bit inwards, to flex the pecs and create the arm-delt tie ins
theyre both about as relaxed as a stiff penis there
Its a bad pic at a bad angle, it highlights arnolds sloped delts a bit, still massive
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Well possibly but say Sergio Oliva. I bet his wrist was bigger than mine so easier to increase bicep size because the bone size adds to the overall arm size. Just saying.
The actual bone size of his wrist was not very big. It was just that the muscle bellies reached so low.
As I said earlier, I think it has to do with bone density.
In Arnold's Encyclopedia he also comments on his 'bird like' bone structure and how people were surprised at the size of his wrists and how they could easily put their hands around them.
Arnold then said something like 'small bones, big muscles'.
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Where do these excerpts come from ?
Just google "Frank Zane 1977 seminar". Bunch of links with the same excerpts.
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The actual bone size of his wrist was not very big. It was just that the muscle bellies reached so low.
As I said earlier, I think it has to do with bone density.
In Arnold's Encyclopedia he also comments on his 'bird like' bone structure and how people were surprised at the size of his wrists and how they could easily put their hands around them.
Arnold then said something like 'small bones, big muscles'.
it is documented white people have a higher bone density
but black people have a higher bone mass
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The actual bone size of his wrist was not very big. It was just that the muscle bellies reached so low.
As I said earlier, I think it has to do with bone density.
In Arnold's Encyclopedia he also comments on his 'bird like' bone structure and how people were surprised at the size of his wrists and how they could easily put their hands around them.
Arnold then said something like 'small bones, big muscles'.
Interesting, in that pic Sergio does have small wrists. There are Anomalies to about everything in life. Just my experience a few people I train are small and have a small bone structure they will never be big they can increase size yea I tell them when they start.
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Flex Wheeler and Sergio both had small wrists......both men had tremendous arm develoment......small joints can accentuate the illusion of having large looking arms. My 2 cents.
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Flex Wheeler and Sergio both had small wrists......both men had tremendous arm develoment......small joints can accentuate the illusion of having large looking arms. My 2 cents.
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