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Obama: Newtown Shooter Gunned Down 20 Children With 'Fully Automatic Weapon'
1:06 PM, Apr 4, 2013 • By DANIEL HALPER
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-newtown-shooter-gunned-down-20-children-fully-automatic-weapon_714527.html
At a fundraiser last night in San Francisco, President Barack Obama said that the Newtown killer gunned down 20 children using a "fully automatic weapon." From the official transcript, provided by the White House:
Now, over the next couple of months, we’ve got a couple of issues: gun control. (Applause.) I just came from Denver, where the issue of gun violence is something that has haunted families for way too long, and it is possible for us to create common-sense gun safety measures that respect the traditions of gun ownership in this country and hunters and sportsmen, but also make sure that we don’t have another 20 children in a classroom gunned down by a semiautomatic weapon -- by a fully automatic weapon in that case, sadly.
According to the prosecutor, Stephen J. Sedensky III, the killer, Adam Lanza, "killed all 26 victims inside Sandy Hook Elementary School with a Bushmaster .223-caliber rifle before taking his own life with a Glock 10 mm handgun. He says Lanza had another loaded handgun with him inside the school as well as three, 30-round magazines for the Bushmaster," ABC previously reported.
Each of the guns used is a semi-automatic weapon, and not one is an automatic weapon.
So either Obama is wrong--or he revealed something last night about the massacre that hasn't yet been known.
Via Allahpundit.
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The lies never fucking end w this pofs.
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Yeah... He's lying his ass off.
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Yeah... He's lying his ass off.
Nothing new for Obama - everything the man ever says is a lie.
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Nothing new for Obama - everything the man ever says is a lie.
the same could be said about you
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the same could be said about you
Is that the best defense you can mount for the Messiah?
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Is that the best defense you can mount for the Messiah?
he clearly mispoke
let someone record your every word (or just read your 100+ daily posts) and you'll find numerous examples of the same thing only in your case you do it intentionally
too bad the media doesn't focus on this fact that this shooter used 30 round clips and if he only had 10 round clips it almost a certainty that there would be fewer kids shot to pieces (literallyh) that day
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he clearly mispoke
let someone record your every word (or just read your 100+ daily posts) and you'll find numerous examples of the same thing only in your case you do it intentionally
too bad the media doesn't focus on this fact that this shooter used 30 round clips and if he only had 10 round clips it almost a certainty that there would be fewer kids shot to pieces (literallyh) that day
LOL - another one clueless on guns.
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he clearly mispoke
let someone record your every word (or just read your 100+ daily posts) and you'll find numerous examples of the same thing only in your case you do it intentionally
too bad the media doesn't focus on this fact that this shooter used 30 round clips and if he only had 10 round clips it almost a certainty that there would be fewer kids shot to pieces (literallyh) that day
I do not believe one should "misspeak" when we are talking about such a sensitive issue as gun control.
Isn't Obama considered quite the intelligent person? Someone who rarely misspeaks? That's also a sign of his intelligence right?
If so, then why do you give him a pass on this one?
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if you want to blame someone for the deaths at Waco you should blame the fundie nutbags who started the fire that killed themselves
Who started the fire that erupted a little more than six hours after the FBI began inserting the tear gas on April 19?
Although several of the surviving Branch Davidians insist that they did not start the fire, a panel of arson investigators concluded that the Davidians were responsible for igniting it, simultaneously, in at least three different areas of the compound. Unless they were deliberatley set, the probability of the three fires starting almost simultaneously was highly unlikely, according to fire experts. Furthermore, the videotapes show the use of accelerants that strongly increased the spread of the fire. Although one Branch Davidian stated that a FBI tank had tipped over a lantern, videotapes show that the tank had struck the building a minute and a half before the fire began. Also some of the surviving Davidians' clothing showed evidence of lighter fluid and other accelerants. In addition, FBI listening devices seemed to establish that the Davidians were overheard making statements such as, "Spread the fuel," some six hours before the fires began. (Joint Hearing of the Crime Subcommittee July 1995.)
What caused the death of more than 80 Branch Davidians inside the compound on April 19?
Medical examiners, Dr. Nizam Peerwani and Dr. Rodney Crow, have told FRONTLINE that many of them died from asphyxiation when the intense fire raced through the compound. Others, particularly women and children who huddled under wet blankets in a concrete chamber, were fatally injured when debris collapsed on them during the fire, the officials said. Still others were shot to death, suicide or homicide victims in apparent mercy killings, they said. Both the coroners and some FBI sources have told FRONTLINE that the pattern of most of the bodies was not consistent with a theory of mass suicide.
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LOL - another one clueless on guns.
feel free to point out what in my post is not correct
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he clearly mispoke
let someone record your every word (or just read your 100+ daily posts) and you'll find numerous examples of the same thing only in your case you do it intentionally
too bad the media doesn't focus on this fact that this shooter used 30 round clips and if he only had 10 round clips it almost a certainty that there would be fewer kids shot to pieces (literallyh) that day
Some of the MAGAZINES he used were half empty I read.
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I do not believe one should "misspeak" when we are talking about such a sensitive issue as gun control.
Isn't Obama considered quite the intelligent person? Someone who rarely misspeaks? That's also a sign of his intelligence right?
If so, then why do you give him a pass on this one?
people mispeak all the time
it's not intentional
was he asked about this statement somewhere
did he correct it or did he insist he was right that first time about "fully auotmatic"?
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Some of the MAGAZINES he used were half empty I read.
correct
the recent info released said that he changed magazine when entering each room and some where not completely empty
apparently this is something that is common with video games and the speculation was that he was living out some type of video game fantasy
again - what part of my statement was not accurate or are you just going to admit you lied yet again?
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people mispeak all the time
it's not intentional
was he asked about this statement somewhere
did he correct it or did he insist he was right that first time about "fully auotmatic"?
Sounds flimsy... When you talk about things like armament, you should be very accurate. We are all well aware of the sensitivity of the topic.
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It was not a mis speak - it was an intentional lie.
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Sounds flimsy... When you talk about things like armament, you should be very accurate. We are all well aware of the sensitivity of the topic.
are you kidding
you think the topic somehow prevent people from making misstatements?
If there is some follow up where he defends the false statement then you might have something
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It was not a mis speak - it was an intentional lie.
feel free to actually prove that
you're supposedly a lawyer
right?
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but also make sure that we don’t have another 20 children in a classroom gunned down by a semiautomatic weapon -- by a fully automatic weapon in that case, sadly.
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you really need this explained to you?
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Another Obama lie. Nothing new here.
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but also make sure that we don’t have another 20 children in a classroom gunned down by a semiautomatic weapon -- by a fully automatic weapon in that case, sadly.
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you really need this explained to you?
Exactly... He even CLARIFIED that it was an automatic weapon... Not a misspeak at all.
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feel free to actually prove that
you're supposedly a lawyer
right?
So when Obama says things that support the liberal agenda he's smart and cool and the best possible Obama ever...but when he he proves to be a fucking retard on a subject he knows nothing about...he misspoke? I get it...only Conservatives and libertarians are stupid. Barry is awsome and everybody who supports gun rights is a white bigot who loves dead kids.
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does it really matter, those kids are still dead ::)
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but also make sure that we don’t have another 20 children in a classroom gunned down by a semiautomatic weapon -- by a fully automatic weapon in that case, sadly.
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you really need this explained to you?
I don't need it explained
he clearly mispoke
if you have some proof he intentionally lied then go ahead and provide it
I'm going to assume that this is simple a speaking error because everyone knows that fully automatic weapons are not currently legal
If he were going to intentionally lie he would do it in such a stupid and easily provably false way
that type of lying is something that you normally do
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Exactly... He even CLARIFIED that it was an automatic weapon... Not a misspeak at all.
so he said automatic weapon first and then said fully automatic
sounds more like a mistake to me but if you want to believe that Obama believes fully automatic weapons are currently legal then go right ahead
or if you want to believe he intentionally lied about something so easy to prove false then that's fine too
We don't all have to agree on everything
If you have some additional follow where he is questioned about this statement and continues to stick to it then let me know and I will re-evaluate my opinion
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Obama lied through his teeth and his little bitch drone sits here trying to rationalize it. It's incredibly sad watching a 46-year-old man act like this. :-\
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so he said automatic weapon first and then said fully automatic
sounds more like a mistake to me but if you want to believe that Obama believes fully automatic weapons are currently legal then go right ahead
or if you want to believe he intentionally lied about something so easy to prove false then that's fine too
We don't all have to agree on everything
If you have some additional follow where he is questioned about this statement and continues to stick to it then let me know and I will re-evaluate my opinion
You are pretty unbelievable... Why do you shill for Obama?
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You are pretty unbelievable... Why do you shill for Obama?
On the one hand obama is the smartest most brilliant orator of all time, legal scholar, Nobel Winner, yet on the other hand he is so careless with his words that things like this are just an innocent mistake. ::)
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On the one hand obama is the smartest most brilliant orator of all time, legal scholar, Nobel Winner, yet on the other hand he is so careless with his words that things like this are just an innocent mistake. ::)
I agree... I said the same thing about GWB... Either the guy is the most intelligent evil mastermind ever in figuring out how to get away with 9-11 or the guy is a complete idiot... You can't have it both ways.
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On the one hand obama is the smartest most brilliant orator of all time, legal scholar, Nobel Winner, yet on the other hand he is so careless with his words that things like this are just an innocent mistake. ::)
Fact of the matter is he's just not very smart. Clever? Sure. Conniving? OK. Manipulative and deceiving? Yup. Scumbag? Definitely.
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Obama lied through his teeth and his little bitch drone sits here trying to rationalize it. It's incredibly sad watching a 46-year-old man act like this. :-\
what's this
a post from you where you're not stroking 333
that's strange
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what's this
a post from you where you're not stroking 333
that's strange
You know damn well that when Romney said a word that off - everyone pounced on him calling him a liar etc etc.
Now when its the messiah trying to advance an agenda - no he was just careless. ::) ::)
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so he said automatic weapon first and then said fully automatic
sounds more like a mistake to me but if you want to believe that Obama believes fully automatic weapons are currently legal then go right ahead
or if you want to believe he intentionally lied about something so easy to prove false then that's fine too
We don't all have to agree on everything
If you have some additional follow where he is questioned about this statement and continues to stick to it then let me know and I will re-evaluate my opinion
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You are pretty unbelievable... Why do you shill for Obama?
I've tried to explain it to you and since I believe you're sincere I will try again
This statement happened last night
I haven't seen the video and only read the transcript
Here are my choices
1. he simply mispoke
2. he believes fully automatic weapons are legal
3. he knows fully automatic weapons are not legal and intentionally chose to lie to a crowd of people about an easily verifiable fact
I look at those options and since there hasn't been any follow up yet I believe the only rational choice is #1
you've said I'm "shilling" for Obama yet I've given you my reasoning and said if he is questioned on this statement (feel free to provide it) and continues to make this statement then I will re-evaluate my opinion
If you want to look the list of possible options and choose to believe something else that is obviously your choice
you've provided me nothing that would lead me to believe it's #2 or #3
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You know damn well that when Romney said a word that off - everyone pounced on him calling him a liar etc etc.
Now when its the messiah trying to advance an agenda - no he was just careless. ::) ::)
your memory sucks
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Or that he is so incompetent and ignorant he does not know the real difference between semi auto and full auto?
;D
I've tried to explain it to you and since I believe you're sincere I will try again
This statement happened last night
I haven't seen the video and only read the transcript
Here are my choices
1. he simply mispoke
2. he believes fully automatic weapons are legal
3. he knows fully automatic weapons are not legal and intentionally chose to lie to a crowd of people about an easily verifiable fact
I look at those options and since there hasn't been any follow up yet I believe the only rational choice is #1
you've said I'm "shilling" for Obama yet I've given you my reasoning and said if he is questioned on this statement (feel free to provide it) and continues to make this statement then I will re-evaluate my opinion
If you want to look the list of possible options and choose to believe something else that is obviously your choice
you've provided me nothing that would lead me to believe it's #2 or #3
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I've tried to explain it to you and since I believe you're sincere I will try again
This statement happened last night
I haven't seen the video and only read the transcript
Here are my choices
1. he simply mispoke
2. he believes fully automatic weapons are legal
3. he knows fully automatic weapons are not legal and intentionally chose to lie to a crowd of people about an easily verifiable fact
I look at those options and since there hasn't been any follow up yet I believe the only rational choice is #1
you've said I'm "shilling" for Obama yet I've given you my reasoning and said if he is questioned on this statement (feel free to provide it) and continues to make this statement then I will re-evaluate my opinion
If you want to look the list of possible options and choose to believe something else that is obviously your choice
you've provided me nothing that would lead me to believe it's #2 or #3
Why would you find it so unbelievable that he would say something akin to number 3 to elicit an emotional response to the evils of guns?
He has already gone on public record stating that he does not like people to have guns.
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Or that he is so incompetent and ignorant he does not know the real difference between semi auto and full auto?
;D
yeah, I was going to make that option #4 except that he says semi-automatic weapon right before he says fully automatic so he clearly knows they are two different things
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Why would you find it so unbelievable that he would say something akin to number 3 to elicit an emotional response to the evils of guns?
He has already gone on public record stating that he does not like people to have guns.
because it's easily provable as false and would make him look stupid
you're suggesting that he weighed the options and chose to intentionally make a statement that he knew would be immediately shown to be a lie
I find that hard to believe but to each his own
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I've tried to explain it to you and since I believe you're sincere I will try again
This statement happened last night
I haven't seen the video and only read the transcript
Here are my choices
1. he simply mispoke
2. he believes fully automatic weapons are legal
3. he knows fully automatic weapons are not legal and intentionally chose to lie to a crowd of people about an easily verifiable fact
I look at those options and since there hasn't been any follow up yet I believe the only rational choice is #1
you've said I'm "shilling" for Obama yet I've given you my reasoning and said if he is questioned on this statement (feel free to provide it) and continues to make this statement then I will re-evaluate my opinion
If you want to look the list of possible options and choose to believe something else that is obviously your choice
you've provided me nothing that would lead me to believe it's #2 or #3
or he doesnt know the difference between a semi automatic and fully automatic weapon....
trust straw man there are plenty of ppl out there that are completely uninformed on guns.
You dont know how many times ppl use the term "automatic weapon" when referencing semi automatic weapons...
This is a very common mistake among ppl who are very uninformed on guns.
These are the type of ppl that shouldnt be making laws regarding them either as they are obviously uneducated and ignorant on the subject.
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Gun control is almost always supported by people who have almost no experience with guns. They seem like scary things that are only in gangster movies, so if we just ask our benevolent politicians to save us, they can make it all go away. That’s not how the real-world works, though — and this ignorance ends up killing people.
Earlier this week, the main anti-gun congresswoman from Colorado, Rep. Diana DeGette, apparently didn’t understand that magazines could be reloaded. That’s something you learn in the first 5 minutes in any basic firearms safety class — and she’s based her life career on putting people in prison over her gun laws. She’s the lead sponsor of the magazine ban. It’s insane.
Obama is now showing off his own particular style of almost intentional ignorance. After campaigning and voicing his opinion and crafting policy recomendations for years, Obama apparently doesn’t even know the difference between semi-auto and full-auto guns. WhiteHouse.gov reports him giving a speech in which he stumbled over the two phrases in a confused manner, and finally decided to refer to the Aurora shooting as happening with a “fully-automatic” weapon. Oops.
Here are the exact words from the speech:
“Now, over the next couple of months, we’ve got a couple of issues: gun control. (Applause.) I just came from Denver, where the issue of gun violence is something that has haunted families for way too long, and it is possible for us to create common-sense gun safety measures that respect the traditions of gun ownership in this country and hunters and sportsmen, but also make sure that we don’t have another 20 children in a classroom gunned down by a semiautomatic weapon – by a fully automatic weapon in that case, sadly.”
Here are the exact words from the Colorado Democrat Rep. Diana DeGette who didn’t know magazines could be reloaded, from the Denver Post:
“I will tell you these are ammunition, they’re bullets, so the people who have those know they’re going to shoot them, so if you ban them in the future, the number of these high capacity magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot and there won’t be any more available.”
Let me make this as clear as I can: this kind of blatant, in-your-face ignorance is going to kill people. These power-greedy ignorant politicians have blood on their hands. It’s a disgrace.
Some have rightfully pointed out that perhaps Obama wasn’t confused — perhaps he was just lying. Either way, the man is ignorant, or a liar, or both. His credibility on gun issues is non-existent, and he’s the epitome of what’s wrong with politics. Politics is when we organize society by giving the most ignorant people the power over an issue — rather than the free market. There’s a reason it never works.
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Straw Man is correct in that the president obviously misspoke.........however, one would be correct in asserting that had someone of an opposing political party to Straw's, Straw would be nonexistent in his defense of the speaking error.
And, of course, the guy has try to throw in his ignorant jabs about gun control, like his "30 round clips" and had Lanza not had access to such large-capacity "clips", then the tragedy would not have been as severe. The Virginia Tech shooter had nothing more than 10 and 15 round magazines and he caused quite a bit of devastation. Had Lanza grabbed his shotgun rather than the much aligned AR-15, there would likely be even more deaths.
Stick to what you do best: Being Obama's frontman and making fun of 333386.
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Straw Man is correct in that the president obviously misspoke.........however, one would be correct in asserting that had someone of an opposing political party to Straw's, Straw would be nonexistent in his defense of the speaking error.
And, of course, the guy has try to throw in his ignorant jabs about gun control, like his "30 round clips" and had Lanza not had access to such large-capacity "clips", then the tragedy would not have been as severe. The Virginia Tech shooter had nothing more than 10 and 15 round magazines and he caused quite a bit of devastation. Had Lanza grabbed his shotgun rather than the much aligned AR-15, there would likely be even more deaths.
Stick to what you do best: Being Obama's frontman and making fun of 333386.
I like how you feel confident is stating what I would do or not do in the case of a hypothetical event which has not happened