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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: anabolichalo on April 07, 2013, 10:14:56 AM
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i dont get it, on a lot of forums people talk like this is ssoooooo amazing
when the experts like bfg say it's over rated vastly over rated
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umm maybe because people get amazing results from it?
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Good
no aromatizing = no estrogen
good for CNS stimulation
drives down SHBG and DHT
Can be made 'pure' if you buy pellets and understand how to make something sterile
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Bad
Raises prolactin
Higher doses drive down SHBG and DHT to subnormal levels (no SHBG means test stops working properly unless you inject it 2 x daily)
HDL goes down
Prostate problems with higher doses
Requires dopamine agonist to offset prolactin sides
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Bullshit/Broscience
'Tren raises IGF so it's like a poor mans HGH!' - no, it doesnt. Get bloodwork done and see how much difference it makes
'Tren is hard on the kidneys' - probably no more so than any other blood pressure raising AAS. But UG garbage full of BB,BA and EO and filth is not healthy
'Tren makes you lean in high doses!' - high dose tren raises prolactin significantly. High prolactin will result in some horrible fat deposition patterns in places you dont want to be fat.
'Caber/Bromo is great for tren sides' - No, retard. They use those drugs to treat acromegaly, so using them will reduce your HGH and IGF-1 by up to 75%. Also, heart issues. Prami is ok but causes sleep problems or drowsiness when taken in higher doses.
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Try it, come back and post.
Some people get horrible side effects, some people don't respond at all. Some, like me, consider it no#1 steroid in the world, nothing really compares.
More than 150mg/week of test just makes me bloated, 400mg/week of tren makes me feel like I'm finally taking steroids.
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Try it, come back and post.
Some people get horrible side effects, some people don't respond at all. Some, like me, consider it no#1 steroid in the world, nothing really compares.
More than 150mg/week of test just makes me bloated, 400mg/week of tren makes me feel like I'm finally taking steroids.
weird...
i dont really know how to identify being bloated anyway
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weird...
i dont really know how to identify being bloated anyway
Your face gets HUGE.
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Good
no aromatizing = no estrogen
good for CNS stimulation
drives down SHBG and DHT
Can be made 'pure' if you buy pellets and understand how to make something sterile
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Bad
Raises prolactin
Drives down SHBG and DHT to subnormal levels (no SHBG means test stops working properly unless you inject it 2 x daily)
Prostate problems with higher doses
Requires dopamine agonist to offset prolactin sides
This. Run it with a little test prop and some masteron and nothing is better, IMHO.
I've tried other compounds and didn't feel any benefit over this stack. Tried test, tren and mast again and loved it. Gave other compounds another run to write off maybe just being a newb, but no... nothing beats these except maybe mega dosed primo, but good luck affording that or being able to find it.
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This. Run it with a little test prop and some masteron and nothing is better, IMHO.
I've tried other compounds and didn't feel any benefit over this stack. Tried test, tren and mast again and loved it. Gave other compounds another run to write off maybe just being a newb, but no... nothing beats these except maybe mega dosed primo, but good luck affording that or being able to find it.
mast helps offset the DHT lowering effect of tren, its a great combo!
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Your face gets HUGE.
did you use arimidex with it
i take a half one every three days
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if tren LOWERS dht....
then how does it kill hair? (in those prone to hairlos)
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mast helps offset the DHT lowering effect of tren, its a great combo!
Oh fuck yeah! When people talk about it rounding off a test and tren cycle they couldn't be more accurate. This PERFECTLY compliments tren, and if you have the prolactin issues then the masteron, being DHT based and catching that unbound test before it aromatizes, really helps. That's why it's considered to be an "anti-estrogen", although it doesn't really stop or block estrogen in the traditional sense.
I've never been a big fan of beating the fuck out of your estrogen on that note. It kills the lipid profile and the libido. Makes you dry and in pain too... not a good approach at all. Just make it so that estrogen isn't a problem. A little masteron and maybe a suicidal aromatase inhibitor like ATD (1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione) or aromasin and you're laughing!
Adding masteron seriously feels like you're upping the dose a good 25% or more. Even just 50mg EOD to a cycle will make it feel like you're taking much more during your cycle. Also frees up the need to abuse anti-estrogens or waste your time with SERMs.
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do you know if they still make/sell pharm grade mast in the US? Or is it just UG nowadays?
I am super estro sensitive so I prefer to run a low dose (0.25 e3d) adex but mast might help lower that dose - you're right, even low dose AI rape your lipids
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do you know if they still make/sell pharm grade mast in the US? Or is it just UG nowadays?
I am super estro sensitive so I prefer to run a low dose (0.25 e3d) adex but mast might help lower that dose - you're right, even low dose AI rape your lipids
what is this lipid raping thing about arimidex?
i take half a tablet every three days
does this "rape my lipids?"
and what does that mean?
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Oh fuck yeah! When people talk about it rounding off a test and tren cycle they couldn't be more accurate. This PERFECTLY compliments tren, and if you have the prolactin issues then the masteron, being DHT based and catching that unbound test before it aromatizes, really helps. That's why it's considered to be an "anti-estrogen", although it doesn't really stop or block estrogen in the traditional sense.
I've never been a big fan of beating the fuck out of your estrogen on that note. It kills the lipid profile and the libido. Makes you dry and in pain too... not a good approach at all. Just make it so that estrogen isn't a problem. A little masteron and maybe a suicidal aromatase inhibitor like ATD (1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione) or aromasin and you're laughing!
Adding masteron seriously feels like you're upping the dose a good 25% or more. Even just 50mg EOD to a cycle will make it feel like you're taking much more during your cycle. Also frees up the need to abuse anti-estrogens or waste your time with SERMs.
some one as ripped as you should try a high mast low test cycle
masteron is the most underrated steroid there is
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Masteron was used as a breast cancer drug for decades and is FDA approved, just hard to find. i can get a prescription for it if I can find a (compounding) pharmacy that still sells it as I have subnormally low levels of DHT and a very understanding HRT doctor.
anabolichalo - seriously? try google 'arimidex' and 'hdl' :x
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Masteron was used as a breast cancer drug for decades and is FDA approved, just hard to find. i can get a prescription for it if I can find a (compounding) pharmacy that still sells it as I have subnormally low levels of DHT and a very understanding HRT doctor.
anabolichalo - seriously? try google 'arimidex' and 'hdl' :x
shit i hope i dont get into troubles
can you break this stuff down in a few words
dont feel like reading walls of text
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Arimidex use, even low dose, lowers HDL chol and raises LDL.
The good news is that even a low HDL only really means 3% more chance of health problems than a super high number
LDL matters only when related to trigylcerides. If you have trigylcerides under 70 then a high LDL is likely to be 'good' LDL, fluffy LDL not the 'bad' small LDL
do they do bloodtesting in azebajan or wherever you live? Get it done to see what the arimidex is doing.
To offset arimidex in low doses this should work
Fish oil 2-4 tablespoons a day
Niacin FLUSH kind - 1000mg-1500mg a day
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Arimidex use, even low dose, lowers HDL chol and raises LDL.
The good news is that even a low HDL only really means 3% more chance of health problems than a super high number
LDL matters only when related to trigylcerides. If you have trigylcerides under 70 then a high LDL is likely to be 'good' LDL, fluffy LDL not the 'bad' small LDL
do they do bloodtesting in azebajan or wherever you live? Get it done to see what the arimidex is doing.
To offset arimidex in low doses this should work
Fish oil 2-4 tablespoons a day
Niacin FLUSH kind - 1000mg-1500mg a day
or should i only use arimidex if i get gyno?
or at least reduce the dosage?
i take half a tablet every three days
because i take 300mg of test enanthate per week with 2.5mg finasteride per day (to stop hairloss)
they said finasteride will cause more conversion to estradiol so therefor i take arimidex
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some one as ripped as you should try a high mast low test cycle
masteron is the most underrated steroid there is
Severely underrated. I don't want to over promote it or anything, but no one says anything about this and I'm always scratching my head wondering why the fuck not! ???
My only concern about a high dose would be prostate issues. I think mine's a bit swollen from ephedrine, lots of HCG, etc. Anything bad that can possibly happen, always happens to me. I'm like that Bad Luck Brian meme. But I just started running the last bit of gear I had from before, I forgot about a vial of tren and NPP. Have two vials of mast too. Running 50mg EOD of each until it's gone, but just upped to 100mg of mast and will ride the cycle out on a little mast and HCG. That'll let me have a little estrogen in whatever amount the HCG causes, but without exacerbating the breast tissues which I'm thankfully not having any problems with. High dosed tren gave me gyno in the past, but masteron and caberoline ELIMINATED it right before I was going to see a surgeon. One of the few times I had a bit of luck...
Getting lots of blood work for the hell of it (it's free) and probably only going to do small blasts from now on. I'll wait a couple of months and do another small 2-3 week blast but with Superdrol next time around. My body responds so well and I'm just running the smallest doses ever. Will only blast and cruise a few times a year because I really don't want to waste money or inject all the time like I used to. I'll just look like a really good fake-natty and I'm happy.
Pretty soon I will start telling people I'm a lifelong natural and that I've never so much as touched any creatine or protein powders. ;D
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Severely underrated. I don't want to over promote it or anything, but no one says anything about this and I'm always scratching my head wondering why the fuck not! ???
My only concern about a high dose would be prostate issues. I think mine's a bit swollen from ephedrine, lots of HCG, etc. Anything bad that can possibly happen, always happens to me. I'm like that Bad Luck Brian meme. But I just started running the last bit of gear I had from before, I forgot about a vial of tren and NPP. Have two vials of mast too. Running 50mg EOD of each until it's gone, but just upped to 100mg of mast and will ride the cycle out on a little mast and HCG. That'll let me have a little estrogen in whatever amount the HCG causes, but without exacerbating the breast tissues which I'm thankfully not having any problems with. High dosed tren gave me gyno in the past, but masteron and caberoline ELIMINATED it right before I was going to see a surgeon. One of the few times I had a bit of luck...
Getting lots of blood work for the hell of it (it's free) and probably only going to do small blasts from now on. I'll wait a couple of months and do another small 2-3 week blast but with Superdrol next time around. My body responds so well and I'm just running the smallest doses ever. Will only blast and cruise a few times a year because I really don't want to waste money or inject all the time like I used to. I'll just look like a really good fake-natty and I'm happy.
Pretty soon I will start telling people I'm a lifelong natural and that I've never so much as touched any creatine or protein powders. ;D
superdrol is nasty brother
there is a reason they invented it twenty years ago but never put it into production
have you tried turinabol
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superdrol is nasty brother
there is a reason they invented it twenty years ago but never put it into production
have you tried turinabol
Tbol is another beautiful steroid. I believe it wasn't used simply for the fact that it was overshadowed by other ones used in hospitals that had been more established.
Superdrol is definitely nasty. It works better than anything else however, and I managed to grab two bottles which I hope will last for many cycles. I think that orals pre workout, and in conjunction with either intermittent fasting or carb cycling is the way to go. Starve the body from carbs, then carb up and take your orals pre workout and have the workout of your life. A little can go a really long way.
I won't use more than 10mg more than a few times a week at my max though. My body can't handle orals at all. Few weeks max and I start really feeling like shit. That's why I'm only going to do lighter doses. I want to keep the healthy feeling going as long as I can. I feel like I can kick through a concrete wall right now and run across the continent. Way better than being lethargic 24/7. :-X
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superdrol is masteron as a tablet.
Dude, Superdrol is like a masteron tablet on steroids... err...
... I'll show myself out. ;D
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its chemicaly the same, im not 100%, but yeah one of those legal oral supplements(im 99% sure its superdrol),has chemical structure same to masteron, with the exception of being alfa 17 alkylated, for oral use.
i can believe the effects as oral can be even more impressive, its very funny some ppl who take this consider themselves naturals :D
It's only unnatural if you want it to be. ;D
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to be fair, tren doesnt sem to kill hair for most.
however, one side efect went under the radar here, "tren dick".
i hope yall enjoy that ;D
and yeah, all non estrogen convertibles will make for bad lipids.
superdrol is masteron as a tablet.
damn, youre a wise guy, how come i never noticed you posting.
however, this whole cholesterin thing goes even further than that, but to be honest, it gets too complicated to understand for myself, i looked at lectures from docs going deeper into the matter, but couldnt follow
I learned a lot from my HRT dr, he is one of the best in the world and used to be the US olympic team Dr for years.. so he obviously knows his PEDs lol
GH15 retards like that old fat 'ken' guy doing 200mg of tren a day and having 14" fatceps.. oh boy, yeah that's pretty much typical nowadays. These idiots dont understand what high prolactin does and can't afford bloodwork because they spend all their money on fake GH and overpriced 'master chef' filthy unsterile, over BB/BA'd UG gear.
I confess I overuse tren, I run 75mg 6 days a week (not on sunday) but that pushes my prolactin up to the top 1/3rd of 'normal' range. Any more than that and I have to use prami and I dont like using many drugs. I only use 200 test at most and nothing else though. Also I have shitty genetics and I need to take a bit more to stay 220ish and lean
AnabolicCholo >> If you stop using adex now cold turkey you will have a MASSIVE estrogen rebound, your e2 levels will likely double. That's the problem with using AIs for cycles, they should only be used at the lowest possible dose for HRT where we have constant estrogen. Estrogen/e2 should be around 25, any higher and you will have issues.
you need to switch to Aromasin if you're planning on quitting
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add possible internal inflammatory issues due to inflammatory prostaglandins to the 'bad list'
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excellent posts in this thread ! especially by mawse, always learn something new when he shows up to these threads
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galeniko, i know that progesterone can give you gyno.
So if you think about it, that tren was made from powders that come from china right, and tren is derived from progesterone ? who can believe what they do there and how they make it ? those guys just want to see cash.
That tren you took could have been 60% trenbolone and 40% of a progestin or even estrogen ? who knows, i think you could only trust the fina pellets or human grade stuff that was around before
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First of all, e2 rebounds after arimidex only because it's not a suicide inhibitor. It blocks aromatase but after some time it becomes inactive and lets it go free. There's no such problem with suicide inhibitors like aromasin or atd.
Biggest issue with AI is finding sweet spot. For whatever reason, every combination I've tried and trust me, I've tried a dozen made me either have bad skin, still bloated, low libido or whatever combination of those. I may speculate why it happens but it all comes down to the fact that it's really hard to fool your body.
When it comes to cholesterol it's not that simple. Overall, from studies I've read there are several conclusions:
- it's better to have lower ldl than higher regardless of everything else
- it's better to have lower triglycerides as it pretty much means your ldl particles are large
- it's better to have high hdl than lower
Larger particles are indeed better than smaller but still, when particles are of the same size it's better to have less of them.
For me, intermittent fasting or rather eating less frequent meals and fasting lowered my triglycerides significantly. I believe in abuse of omega3, like over 10g of pure omega3 per day. The risk and potential side effects are small and for whatever reason it makes me feel much better when I'm lifting heavy (in the submax range). My hypothesis is that it is because it regenerates CNS but it may be bullshit or placebo as well.
I do bloodwork every 2 months and I found that:
- higher estrogen made my HDL go up
- omega3 made my HDL go up (it should have made my LDL go down instead, but it didn't)
When it comes to gyno I have no idea, I've never researched this topic as I am 100% immune to that side effect. My prolactin and e2 used to be through the roof and I had no issues.
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:P
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yea, if you can't get human grade stuff, I wouldnt even bother using gear. You just cant trust whats inside.
BTW they use something called ethyl oelate to make it possible to hold more mgs per ml in the suspension.. but some people have allergic reaction to it.
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when I quit Arimidex one time my e2 went from 30 to 80. That's on just 200mg of test a week!
Previously I had abused up to 800mg of test with no AI and never had my e2 go over 40.. stopping arimidex is much worse than never starting it imo, like deciever says its better to switch to aromasin and then wean off.
damn you must be super prolactin sensative to get gyno on just one shot (although big) - I have small gyno from tren which is annoying, and when it came I could squeeze tiny drops of milk out of it (ran tren and deca at the same time, genius). Did you get surgery ?
I only use tren because 1 - the pellets are USDA certified, not chinese garbage and 2 - I make it myself as sterile as possible using methanol extraction, with 5% BB and 0.5% BA, not these retarded obscene amounts they put in UG gear that causes all kinds of massive scar tissue in the muscles
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yeah surgery already done, almost everything healed already.
i know it mustve been the tren for there were no other changes.
it was rather small, but big enough to piss me off to go for surgery.
yes , i have consistently told on this forum over and over, ai's you can run them, but one day youll have to come off of them and then the floodgates will open up.
what im curious about,mawse, if one runs hrt and comes off, how bad will the estrogen flooding be, can this be generaly estimated?
for me,it wasnt bad, no itchy nipples or so.
it was bad indeed when id come off high dosages of everything mixed.
oh and does it matter how long one been on hrt?will the estrogens accumulate the longer the therapy was?
i know for sure if one stays lean when coming off,this will help tremendously.
and test e, if it has half worth time of what 10days, am i right if i assume itll still be active and plentyfull if one was one for half year, by acumulation?
I dont know man, I think it depends how long you've been on the AI.. your body just goes retarded and forgets how to deal with the E in your system without the arimidex there to prevent it building up. I've been on HRT for years and coming off AI was a horrible idea.. I think I gave myself a prostate issue from just a month with such high Estrogen but hopefully that will go down :(
I'm not as lean as you but I do cardio 6 x a week for 50 mins, I eat very low carb and dont have much bodyfat.. but I still got drowned in estrogen. My waist went up nearly 2" in a month, all watery horrible swelling on the stomach. It was very upsetting! It might have taken 4+ months to normalize my TRT dr said, so I went back on low dose Arimidex and wont come off
I would rather some slightly lower HDL number than risk dealing with high estrogen and a huge swollen prostate
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Tren is just ok to me Anavar works for me way better EACH person has different DNA
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I dont know man, I think it depends how long you've been on the AI.. your body just goes retarded and forgets how to deal with the E in your system without the arimidex there to prevent it building up. I've been on HRT for years and coming off AI was a horrible idea.. I think I gave myself a prostate issue from just a month with such high Estrogen but hopefully that will go down :(
I'm not as lean as you but I do cardio 6 x a week for 50 mins, I eat very low carb and dont have much bodyfat.. but I still got drowned in estrogen. My waist went up nearly 2" in a month, all watery horrible swelling on the stomach. It was very upsetting! It might have taken 4+ months to normalize my TRT dr said, so I went back on low dose Arimidex and wont come off
I would rather some slightly lower HDL number than risk dealing with high estrogen and a huge swollen prostate
Why do you need an AI on HRT? What are your levels @ 200mg a week?
at 100mg a week it puts me at 1150 with e2 at 25-28.
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I learned a lot from my HRT dr, he is one of the best in the world and used to be the US olympic team Dr for years.. so he obviously knows his PEDs lol
GH15 retards like that old fat 'ken' guy doing 200mg of tren a day and having 14" fatceps.. oh boy, yeah that's pretty much typical nowadays. These idiots dont understand what high prolactin does and can't afford bloodwork because they spend all their money on fake GH and overpriced 'master chef' filthy unsterile, over BB/BA'd UG gear.
I confess I overuse tren, I run 75mg 6 days a week (not on sunday) but that pushes my prolactin up to the top 1/3rd of 'normal' range. Any more than that and I have to use prami and I dont like using many drugs. I only use 200 test at most and nothing else though. Also I have shitty genetics and I need to take a bit more to stay 220ish and lean
AnabolicCholo >> If you stop using adex now cold turkey you will have a MASSIVE estrogen rebound, your e2 levels will likely double. That's the problem with using AIs for cycles, they should only be used at the lowest possible dose for HRT where we have constant estrogen. Estrogen/e2 should be around 25, any higher and you will have issues.
you need to switch to Aromasin if you're planning on quitting
sounds like i could be fucked
i'm doing 300mg of test
normally i wouldnt have used an AI for this dosage
but since i use finasteride it seemed like i have to
fuck
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anyone who says it deosnt work has taken fake stuff..... simple as that
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anyone who says it deosnt work has taken fake stuff..... simple as that
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No one said it doesn't work , no one said superdrol doesnt work , either... But it's not pleasent to take .
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I'm currently stacking shelves
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I'm currently stacking shelves
i'm currently whacking elves
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regardless if you are prone to hair loss or not this will leave you bald
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i'm going all paranoid now on the estrogen matter and the arimidex
the issue is giving me no rest :-X