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Cliff notes?
Did he laugh that he outlived Nasser?
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Cliff notes?
Did he laugh that he outlived Nasser?
he talks very openly about PEDS
says nasser was a bit bitter but maybe he was right for being so
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he talks very openly about PEDS
says nasser was a bit bitter but maybe he was right for being so
When I talked to Milos a few years back he was very open about training, nutrition, and PEDS... I still have notes.
Pretty crazy how his mind works... Some things are very scientific in nature though.
He is a smart guy.
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The best part is when he talks about Flex. Yeah, it's not about drugs.
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Milos is the man! Nice guy met him at the 97 South Beach Pro. Stated what we all knew Flex was probably the most genetically gifted Bodybuilder ever!
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The best part is at 9:35:
Milos: Im drug free since 8am this morning.
At least hes honest.
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When I talked to Milos a few years back he was very open about training, nutrition, and PEDS... I still have notes.
Pretty crazy how his mind works... Some things are very scientific in nature though.
He is a smart guy.
how did you get to talk to him?
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how did you get to talk to him?
I met him at his gym... Chaos worked out there and set it up.
Milos was very cool and everyone was extremely nice.
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I met him at his gym... Chaos worked out there and set it up.
Milos was very cool and everyone was extremely nice.
i'd like to talk to a guy like that or palumbo
last year me and my buddy tried talking to flex wheeler about peds at the fibo
he was friendly but didnt give us shit
just generic phrases like "at the end of the day you decide what u do" and "try my new supplement"
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friendly guy tho it seems
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Good interview.
He touches on what I've said before, injections themselves can damage muscles.
That's why I'd put as much as possible in the ass. Inject Synthol and it just compounds
the possible damage.
Site injections: shit in most cases.
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Good interview.
He touches on what I've said before, injections themselves can damage muscles.
That's why I'd put as much as possible in the ass. Inject Synthol and it just compounds
the possible damage.
Site injections: shit in most cases.
i was also intrigued by this part
so what about injecting in the side of the thigh?
and is there no safe way to inject without damaging muscles/nerves? like with a really short needle or whatever
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Doesnt he know the gluteus is a muscle?
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Good interview.
He touches on what I've said before, injections themselves can damage muscles.
That's why I'd put as much as possible in the ass. Inject Synthol and it just compounds
the possible damage.
Site injections: shit in most cases.
theres a difference between putting 1-2ml's in your bis, tris, traps once a week and what nasser would do to himself with site injections in his back.
nasser's back (or lack thereof) was 99 percent his genetics anyway. flex, kevin and many others did the same shit to their bodies and they looked fine.
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i love palumbo's interviews
but that cant be good for his protein selling business? ???
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theres a difference between putting 1-2ml's in your bis, tris, traps once a week and what nasser would do to himself with site injections in his back.
nasser's back (or lack thereof) was 99 percent his genetics anyway. flex, kevin and many others did the same shit to their bodies and they looked fine.
So that's what happened to Coleman.
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So that's what happened to Coleman.
colemans left arm already looked smaller than the right as early as 2000
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Good interview.
He touches on what I've said before, injections themselves can damage muscles.
That's why I'd put as much as possible in the ass. Inject Synthol and it just compounds
the possible damage.
Site injections: shit in most cases.
I agree with this actually. I haven't pinned shoulders in years because I hated the way it looked. Even using pharm grade gear in small amounts, the injections and the bolus of oil just swelled things up in an ugly way. I really hate that look. Everything goes in the arse for me now. Sometimes quads because they can hold oils well, but sometimes I get a small panic attack even though 9/10 injections go super smoothly.
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fugitive supps of peace
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this one is also good lol
epic physique at 55 yrs old
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Milos has ALWAYS been a good friend to ME.
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theres a difference between putting 1-2ml's in your bis, tris, traps once a week and what nasser would do to himself with site injections in his back.
nasser's back (or lack thereof) was 99 percent his genetics anyway. flex, kevin and many others did the same shit to their bodies and they looked fine.
please, did you see the way Nasser trained his back? Shawn Ray had wondered why guys like Nasser, Fux, and Dillett trained with 100 pound dumbbells, whereas he trained heavier...
And Dillett and Nasser were known for their weak backs...
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Milos has ALWAYS been a good friend to ME.
did he share any insights for bb and ped
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Yes, and ALL aspects of sports, and also life.
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Yes, and ALL aspects of sports, and also life.
any tips on how to make big money
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So Wheeler "worked" with Milos for 3 weeks and immediately had kidney failure, wich disabled him of going to the Arnold?
Da fuk ???
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So Wheeler "worked" with Milos for 3 weeks and immediately had kidney failure, wich disabled him of going to the Arnold?
Da fuk ???
He already looked sick at the Ironman.
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After Milo's tore his quad I happen to call his gym because he and his wife were distributors of the tuff stuff weight line.. I owned a gym and wanted to try out some pieces.. I talk to his wife about my quad tear and we spoke about my rehab ect.. She asked if Milo's could call me and talk about the injury ect.. We played phone tag for a couple of days then I forgot about.. Wish I could have talked to him.. He has some unusual ideas that have always intrigued me..
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(http://www.hugenasser.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/nasser4b.jpg)
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(http://lh3.ggpht.com/-CZSKjzF57wE/SRaKuE786TI/AAAAAAAAAIs/7CB84ySUeRc/18days6.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9SsnBWxdVzo/Tu7fG-l9wHI/AAAAAAAAAyU/CcF0hvafFJM/s1600/rucified-1.jpg)
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They died for us bitches.
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Milos is always entertaining ;D
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(http://www.hugenasser.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/nasser4b.jpg)
Good times
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BENFATTO LOOKS UTTERLY AMAZING!!
MASS WITH CLASS!!! HE SHOULD COMPETE AGAIN.
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Milos is the man! Nice guy met him at the 97 South Beach Pro. Stated what we all knew Flex was probably the most genetically gifted Bodybuilder ever!
Kidney Failure in in your mid 30s is an example of good genetics? ???
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Milos
avoiding the
American question
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He got old fast.
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(http://www.hugenasser.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/nasser4b.jpg)
Got more ass than a bicycle seat.
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this one is also good lol
epic physique at 55 yrs old
x2 epic physique at 55. In-fucking-credible!
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x2 epic physique at 55. In-fucking-credible!
scammer
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scammer
your momma
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Kidney Failure in in your mid 30s is an example of good genetics? ???
Good point. He was just a hyper responder of drugs.
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x2 epic physique at 55. In-fucking-credible!
pec tear is distractingly awful though. He still has great tris which most guys his age seem to lose (too many site injections?)
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theres a difference between putting 1-2ml's in your bis, tris, traps once a week and what nasser would do to himself with site injections in his back.
nasser's back (or lack thereof) was 99 percent his genetics anyway. flex, kevin and many others did the same shit to their bodies and they looked fine.
Yes Nasser's thick skin in his back was genetic. That was the problem mostly, not a lack of size. And sure, there's a difference in a once a week shot and shooting a bodypart frequently with a high volume of oil. But every time you inject you are doing microscopic damage to the muscle. The more you shoot the more scar tissue you will get.
Look at the delts of many/most national level competitors and pros and see how they are just a mass of scar tissue without a striation to be seen. Ugly lumps and bumps.
The high concentration/high solvent gear is more damaging than lower dose gear, e.g HG test.
I could see a touch-up with something like Esiclene, if it was still available, just before a show being advantageous but trying to build a muscle with site injections of gear and plain oil = fail.
Milos royally fucked up his arms himself with oil. I always thought this was one of the reasons he stopped competing, whenever it was that he stopped (can't remember). I bet Milos would still look amazing, minus the arms.
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lol milos smiling at "you havent been to the usa recently"
LOL, why put the question on the screen and then get a comment on something else entirely? :D
He's a fugitive, probably because rec drugs made him do some crazy things. Milos thought cops were trying to poison him ... sounds like drug psychosis to me.
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watched the whole video. Pretty cool.
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I agree with this actually. I haven't pinned shoulders in years because I hated the way it looked. Even using pharm grade gear in small amounts, the injections and the bolus of oil just swelled things up in an ugly way. I really hate that look. Everything goes in the arse for me now. Sometimes quads because they can hold oils well, but sometimes I get a small panic attack even though 9/10 injections go super smoothly.
I still have scar tissue in one delt and it's coming up to ten years now clean. Maybe a year away from losing it. My ass ended up being a minefield and i started pumping the shoulders too hard.
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theres a difference between putting 1-2ml's in your bis, tris, traps once a week and what nasser would do to himself with site injections in his back.
nasser's back (or lack thereof) was 99 percent his genetics anyway. flex, kevin and many others did the same shit to their bodies and they looked fine.
wrong !
what nasser injected in his back and how much and the substance is ridicoulous stupid and killed his back muscles and maybe his mr o chances
what flex did to his arm swas as stupid as hell as well, difference: his kidney failed before he walked on stage again and the demage was clearly obvious
theres a long list of bodyparts demaged from due to site injections in top ifbb pro
flex calves, delts bis
ronnie calves
milos arms
nasser arms (search for pic of his triceps before and after 1997) delts, back
dexter calves
jay arms delts
branch arms, delts
ruhl biceps, delts
taylor triceps ::) ...
and too many more to count
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Yes Nasser's thick skin in his back was genetic. That was the problem mostly, not a lack of size. And sure, there's a difference in a once a week shot and shooting a bodypart frequently with a high volume of oil. But every time you inject you are doing microscopic damage to the muscle. The more you shoot the more scar tissue you will get.
Look at the delts of many/most national level competitors and pros and see how they are just a mass of scar tissue without a striation to be seen. Ugly lumps and bumps.
The high concentration/high solvent gear is more damaging than lower dose gear, e.g HG test.
I could see a touch-up with something like Esiclene, if it was still available, just before a show being advantageous but trying to build a muscle with site injections of gear and plain oil = fail.
Milos royally fucked up his arms himself with oil. I always thought this was one of the reasons he stopped competing, whenever it was that he stopped (can't remember). I bet Milos would still look amazing, minus the arms.
nasser in 97 had brought his back up, but was subpar compared to his competition, it wasn't thick skin or whatever, it was the fact that he lacked DETAIL...from what it looked like, he didn't train his back like the rest of his body---or maybe that was it, he trained his back like he trained everything else, half-stepping.
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it wasn't thick skin or whatever, it was the fact that he lacked DETAIL...from what it looked like, he didn't train his back like the rest of his body---or maybe that was it, he trained his back like he trained everything else, half-stepping.
Call it what you want, thick skin, fat, lack of detail ... it looked like thick skin/still too much fat. Nothing to do with training. How do you train for detail? You can't.
wrong !
what nasser injected in his back and how much and the substance is ridicoulous stupid and killed his back muscles and maybe his mr o chances
what flex did to his arm swas as stupid as hell as well, difference: his kidney failed before he walked on stage again and the demage was clearly obvious
theres a long list of bodyparts demaged from due to site injections in top ifbb pro
flex calves, delts bis
ronnie calves
milos arms
nasser arms (search for pic of his triceps before and after 1997) delts, back
dexter calves
jay arms delts
branch arms, delts
ruhl biceps, delts
taylor triceps ::) ...
and too many more to count
Yup, the oil didn't look "fine". Oily, scar tissued muscle looks like shit and there are a lot of examples.
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Yes Nasser's thick skin in his back was genetic. That was the problem mostly, not a lack of size. And sure, there's a difference in a once a week shot and shooting a bodypart frequently with a high volume of oil. But every time you inject you are doing microscopic damage to the muscle. The more you shoot the more scar tissue you will get.
Look at the delts of many/most national level competitors and pros and see how they are just a mass of scar tissue without a striation to be seen. Ugly lumps and bumps.
The high concentration/high solvent gear is more damaging than lower dose gear, e.g HG test.
I could see a touch-up with something like Esiclene, if it was still available, just before a show being advantageous but trying to build a muscle with site injections of gear and plain oil = fail.
Milos royally fucked up his arms himself with oil. I always thought this was one of the reasons he stopped competing, whenever it was that he stopped (can't remember). I bet Milos would still look amazing, minus the arms.
yessir, high dose UG gear with way too much BA and BB to hold it in place is the worst thing to ever happen to BBing imo. That shit literally burns holes in the muscle
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Good interview.
He touches on what I've said before, injections themselves can damage muscles.
That's why I'd put as much as possible in the ass. Inject Synthol and it just compounds
the possible damage.
Site injections: shit in most cases.
You may already know this but for those who don't.
Synthol is actually miglyol 812 which is 4 different kinds of medium chain tryglycerides.
1. Description
MIGLYOL neutral oils are clear, slightly yellowish esters of saturated coconut and palmkernel oil-derived caprylic and capric fatty acids and glycerin or propylene glycol (MIGLYOL 840).
2. INCI (CTFA) and JCIC** names:
MIGLYOL 810, 812
MIGLYOL 818 MIGLYOL 829 MIGLYOL 840
Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride (JCIC: Caprylic/Capric Acid Triglyceride)
Caprylic/Capric/Linoleic Triglyceride Caprylic/Capric/Succinic Triglyceride Propylene Glycol Dicaprylate/Dicaprate
This type of oil will over time essentially eat away ate the muscle. For those who have used synthol you know the type of pain it will produce after a few hours of injecting. As for site injections, peanut, sesame, and grape seed oil will not do this but a high amount of BA and BB seem to also have this effect over time.
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milos looks fucken weird.. his face/eyes are strange looking.. purple/grayish. can't imagine he's using more gh now than he did competing... unless he's running 30iu of Chinese or something. I dunno...
scar tissue issue's with site injections are legit. you CAN fix it a lil with trigger-point devices like massage rollers/tiger-tales.. even rolling pins. used to have my training partner (a lil 117lb Bulgarian girl) use a rolling pin on my delts, which were solid lumps of scar tissue after 10+ years of putting 3cc in each rear delt and 2cc in the mid each week.... if not more.
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Call it what you want, thick skin, fat, lack of detail ... it looked like thick skin/still too much fat. Nothing to do with training. How do you train for detail?
Def not like this....
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Thats not Branch.
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Def not like this....
what a joke.
what the fuck does he think he is doing there ??
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Looks old.
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milos looks fucken weird.. his face/eyes are strange looking.. purple/grayish. can't imagine he's using more gh now than he did competing... unless he's running 30iu of Chinese or something. I dunno...
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=106434.0
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=106434.0
yea, but that was years ago.. he's looked 'better/normal' since that happened.
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lol @ flex has no myostatin
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lol @ flex has no myostatin
I laugh at that too. From the pics I've seen he was a normal skinny kid. The only thing that he had that was genetic was shape.
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Def not like this....
text book form
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text book form
that's the arab in him
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The point about extremely high ml per ml gear is a valid one because of the necessary solvents required to make it hold in the solution.
I remember a national competitor (never went pro) a couple years ago who would mostly use test 500mg/ml. It was a blend of 3 or 4 long esters but still, 500mg per ml. He would load up 3cc's of it and put it in his glutes and quads in one shot.
I usually recommend, for guys starting out, to avoid putting gear in the arms, calves, traps, etc. I personally believe their is an appropriate time in one's "career" as to when the muscle fascia stretching and inflammation from large volume shots can be beneficial but not for some time. You can do a LARGE amount of cc's each week before needing to rotate to the smaller, more obvious muscle groups.
glutes can take 3cc's easily, 4-5cc's after a while.
VG can take 5cc easily.
quads can take 3 cc's easily.
2 glutes, 2 VG, 2 quads = 22-26cc's weekly without ever needing to touch any other muscle groups.
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The point about extremely high ml per ml gear is a valid one because of the necessary solvents required to make it hold in the solution.
I remember a national competitor (never went pro) a couple years ago who would mostly use test 500mg/ml. It was a blend of 3 or 4 long esters but still, 500mg per ml. He would load up 3cc's of it and put it in his glutes and quads in one shot.
I usually recommend, for guys starting out, to avoid putting gear in the arms, calves, traps, etc. I personally believe their is an appropriate time in one's "career" as to when the muscle fascia stretching and inflammation from large volume shots can be beneficial but not for some time. You can do a LARGE amount of cc's each week before needing to rotate to the smaller, more obvious muscle groups.
glutes can take 3cc's easily, 4-5cc's after a while.
VG can take 5cc easily.
quads can take 3 cc's easily.
2 glutes, 2 VG, 2 quads = 22-26cc's weekly without ever needing to touch any other muscle groups.
You mean mg per ml. From what I have noticed is the higher the level the more lower the mg/ml is.
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You mean mg per ml. From what I have noticed is the higher the level the more lower the mg/ml is.
yeah, typo. i meant higher mg per ml.
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Milos was out of breath after the second sentence. He used to be very well spoken but seems to be gasping for air.