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Be prepared to back up your statements...dumbasses.
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Me thinks you'd have been much quicker in accepting credit for a win...
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Me thinks you'd have been much quicker in accepting credit for a win...
More than likely. Realistically, Kongo could hire a monkey to train him for strength with the same results at this point in his career. Not that you are a monkey Coach, but let's be honest strength training is the least of his concerns.
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Me thinks you'd have been much quicker in accepting credit for a win...
No, he decided to go back to the UK a a little over a month ago to finish his camp. He wanted me to go, but I can't leave my family or business for that long.
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What are his lifts like?I think you said 505lb dead didnt you?
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People have to realize that Kongo isn't a bad fighter, it's that Roy Nelson is Roy Nelson. Roy is a tough match-up for anybody. I think Kongo's best fights were against Pat Barry and Cain Velazquez.
Blaming The Coach for Kongo's loss last night is like blaming Kai Greene for a decrease in grapefruit sales.
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He lost because he didn't warm up properly. It was very easy to notice.
Have you not taught him how to warm up properly if you have a high fitness level?
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I think Roy proved how important being in peak shape is for most UFC fights.
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i blame coach for kongo's loss and have no proof to back it up
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No, he decided to go back to the UK a a little over a month ago to finish his camp. He wanted me to go, but I can't leave my family or business for that long.
So that's why he lost. Thanks for clearing things up
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Make no mistake people, If Coach had the time to help Kongo finish his camp in UK; Cheick would definately have won!
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Me thinks you'd have been much quicker in accepting credit for a win...
x2 ;D
If joe wants to be logically consistent he shouldn't be accepting credit for the victories either :D
To be fair congo didn't lose because of lack of conditioning/strength so joe loco can't really be blamed.
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Make no mistake people, If Coach had the time to help Kongo finish his camp in UK; Cheick would definately have won!
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Make no mistake people, If Coach had the time to help Kongo finish his camp in UK; Cheick would definately have won!
Not responsible for his skills, dumbass. if would have went two rounds or more, gassed and lost the fight that way, then yes, it falls on me.
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in the post fight interview he blamed his strength coach, does anyone know who it was?
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Kongo is just not good, UFC will probably cut him.
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He lost because he didn't warm up properly. It was very easy to notice.
Have you not taught him how to warm up properly if you have a high fitness level?
Good lord...this post :-\
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No, he decided to go back to the UK a a little over a month ago to finish his camp. He wanted me to go, but I can't leave my family or business for that long.
So what specifically would you have done in the UK to strengthen his glass jaw?
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Be prepared to back up your statements...dumbasses.
Meltdown. Strength training barely translates to mma. It's all about natural skill, cardio, and having a good chin. Kongo has actually had a damn good career considering. It has nothing to do with your training coach.
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So what specifically would you have done in the UK to strengthen his glass jaw?
His "glass jaw" lies in his diet. He literally goes in depleted and two days before a fight, he only drinks pedialite. I gave him eating programs that totaled 4100 calories but he chooses to eat only 2 meals per day, if that. I also told him (three months ago) he needed to be at least 250-255 for Nelson.
BTW, Joe Rogan is a fucking moron if you think you cannot develop power. Sometimes shit comes out of his mouth that he has no clue about.
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His "glass jaw" lies in his diet. He literally goes in depleted and two days before a fight, he only drinks pedialite. I gave him eating programs that totaled 4100 calories but he chooses to eat only 2 meals per day, if that. I also told him (three months ago) he needed to be at least 250-255 for Nelson.
BTW, Joe Rogan is a fucking moron if you think you cannot develop power. Sometimes shit comes out of his mouth that he has no clue about.
Another dumbest post of the year candidate. Sure you can develop functional power, but you can't teach knock out power.
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Roy hit Kong with his wrist very ugly
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His "glass jaw" lies in his diet. He literally goes in depleted and two days before a fight, he only drinks pedialite. I gave him eating programs that totaled 4100 calories but he chooses to eat only 2 meals per day, if that. I also told him (three months ago) he needed to be at least 250-255 for Nelson.
BTW, Joe Rogan is a fucking moron if you think you cannot develop power. Sometimes shit comes out of his mouth that he has no clue about.
Hey genius... maybe it's not so smart to reveal such details about your client on the internet?
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Meltdown. Strength training barely translates to mma. It's all about natural skill, cardio, and having a good chin. Kongo has actually had a damn good career considering. It has nothing to do with your training coach.
Bullshit, you take two fighters of even almost equal skill and conditioning, but if one fighter is much stronger, that fighter will always win. This isn't 1950's wrestling. Even the fighters that have to make weight, most don't even worry about diet until 2-4 weeks out. It's ridiculous.
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MOST serious fighters use weights to gain strength.
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Another dumbest post of the year candidate. Sure you can develop functional power, but you can't teach knock out power.
Really? tell me how. Be specific.
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Bullshit, you take two fighters of even almost equal skill and conditioning, but if one fighter is much stronger, that fighter will always win. This isn't 1950's wrestling. Even the fighters that have to make weight, most don't even worry about diet until 2-4 weeks out. It's ridiculous.
Tell that to guys like Anderson Silva. He looks like a bean pole.
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Really? tell me how. Be specific.
I meant when you said a diet can affect a person's chin.
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Anderson used weights and steroids in Japan. Why would he do that?
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Tell that to guys like Anderson Silva. He looks like a bean pole.
Who is his equal in his skill?.....I can't think of one exept Jon Jones. Sonnon trains heavy and beat the shit out of Silva for four and half rounds.
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Who is his equal in his skill?.....I can't think of one exept Jon Jones. Sonnon trains heavy and beat the shit out of Silva for four and half rounds.
Yes, but strength didn't win, skill won.
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Plus Anderson has been 240
he was over 230 when he took the damn fight at 205 with James Irvin
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I meant when you said a diet can affect a person's chin.
Ever just go and train with dropped insulin from lack of nutrition? Try not eating for a few days, then go and do some hard conditioning or sparring, let me know how that works out.
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Be prepared to back up your statements...dumbasses.
god hates you and curses your ill gotten training methods
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Ever just go and train with dropped insulin from lack of nutrition? Try not eating for a few days, then go and do some hard conditioning or sparring, let me know how that works out.
Who said anyone wasn't eating for two days? Plus, the guy with the better chin, would still have a better chin.
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Who said anyone wasn't eating for two days? Plus, the guy with the better chin, would still have a better chin.
I agree, but unfortunately Kongo literally doesn't eat before a fight. BTW, I'm not exposing anything new about him.
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(http://www.artofcontest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Anderson-Silva-Midleweight-to-Light-Heavy-Side-by-Side.jpg)
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god hates you and curses your ill gotten training methods
Yur mother.
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His "glass jaw" lies in his diet. He literally goes in depleted and two days before a fight, he only drinks pedialite. I gave him eating programs that totaled 4100 calories but he chooses to eat only 2 meals per day, if that. I also told him (three months ago) he needed to be at least 250-255 for Nelson.
BTW, Joe Rogan is a fucking moron if you think you cannot develop power. Sometimes shit comes out of his mouth that he has no clue about.
I'm not even going to respond...... ;D
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His "glass jaw" lies in his diet. He literally goes in depleted and two days before a fight, he only drinks pedialite. I gave him eating programs that totaled 4100 calories but he chooses to eat only 2 meals per day, if that. I also told him (three months ago) he needed to be at least 250-255 for Nelson.
BTW, Joe Rogan is a fucking moron if you think you cannot develop power. Sometimes shit comes out of his mouth that he has no clue about.
and you have a black belt in what exactly?
god gobbling apologetics not included.
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(http://i42.tinypic.com/20hx4ox.jpg)
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why did congo take a dive?
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(http://www.artofcontest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Anderson-Silva-Midleweight-to-Light-Heavy-Side-by-Side.jpg)
Just read he called Dana White to fight Jon Jones this morning.
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and you have a black belt in what exactly?
god gobbling apologetics not included.
San Soo.
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That left toe is going to have heal 101% before he can even start to train again
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I'm not even going to respond...... ;D
I insist you do. This is what this thread is about.
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Yur mother.
my mother like your god, is dead.
but thanks lion bait bitch
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my mother like your god, is dead.
but thanks lion bait bitch
Got me.
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Who is his equal in his skill?.....I can't think of one exept Jon Jones. Sonnon trains heavy and beat the shit out of Silva for four and half rounds.
I totally agree with you 100% here but don`t use that argument about Sonnen beating Silva for 4 rounds, we all know the reason why, Silva had fucked up ribs and that is the only reason, but like I said I agree with you anyhow.
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Silva was injured before that first Chael bout plus he did not take him seriously Silva literally clowns with every one but at least has BJJ that enabled him to slap on that triangle arm bar at the very end plus he is NOT a weak person even though people think he is because he looks like a bean pole
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Silva was injured before that first Chael bout plus he did not take him seriously Silva literally clowns with every one but at least has BJJ that enabled him to slap on that triangle arm bar at the very end plus he is NOT a weak person even though people think he is because he looks like a bean pole
He is insanely strong for what he looks for sure
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I insist you do. This is what this thread is about.
Just so I understand your elementary thought process:
Did the carb depletion ruin the intimidation factor mentioned in this unsportsmanlike, braggart thread?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=459056.0
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Just so I understand your elementary thought process:
Did the carb depletion ruin the intimidation factor mentioned in this unsportsmanlike, braggart thread?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=459056.0
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Come on Joe....if you put it out there you gotta sack up and take a day of ribbing. ;D
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Come on Joe....if you put it out there you gotta sack up and take a day of ribbing. ;D
Hows Myrtle Beach?
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Geez Coach you letting this place get to you? You are successful in pretty much all aspects of life and you are giving a fuck about getbig ribbing you
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Seriously people, If I didn't think I wasn't going to get ribbed, I wouldn't have posted or started a thread...this is getbig. I fully know what to expect ;)
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Hows Myrtle Beach?
Never been to Myrtle Beach fuckface. Never been to either of the Carolinas.
But I spend a lot of time in Florida.
And I have a lot of spare time when I'm there.
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Seriously people, If I didn't think I wasn't going to get ribbed, I wouldn't have posted or started a thread...this is getbig. I fully know what to expect ;)
Maybe you were carb depleted when you posted?
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Maybe you were carb depleted when you posted?
Nope, just all hopped up on dayquil. Fever, cold and cough.
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Nope, just all hopped up on dayquil. Fever, cold and cough.
Prolly the aidz.... ;D
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Just read he called Dana White to fight Jon Jones this morning.
Really!?!
If that's true, it will be the biggest super fight seen in the history of the UFC.
You have a link Joe?
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Really!?!
If that's true, it will be the biggest super fight seen in the history of the UFC.
You have a link Joe?
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/did-anderson-silva-call-dana-white-ask-jon-083651382.html
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Really!?!
If that's true, it will be the biggest super fight seen in the history of the UFC.
You have a link Joe?
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dana mentioned in his post fight press conference
that it was either jones or gsp
gsp wont fight him unless he can make 170
so it must be jones at 205
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Really!?!
If that's true, it will be the biggest super fight seen in the history of the UFC.
You have a link Joe?
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Bullshit! I'd be really surprised if Silva is willing to fight an opponent closer to his size who isn't a b/c level fighter. Silva is very comfortable being a very large fish among minnows in the middle weight division.
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Bullshit! I'd be really surprised if Silva is willing to fight an opponent closer to his size who isn't a b/c level fighter. Silva is very comfortable being a very large fish among minnows in the middle weight division.
Did you read the link I posted? Even he lost, it would be biggest payday of both of their lives.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/did-anderson-silva-call-dana-white-ask-jon-083651382.html
Joe, those statements from Dana are too ambiguous in nature. He said Silva called and wants "the fight" tonight, but left it at a cliff hanger regarding who.
dana mentioned in his post fight press conference
that it was either jones or gsp
gsp wont fight him unless he can make 170
so it must be jones at 205
No, it doesn't have to be Jones. Anderson Silva used to fight at 168 pounds while in Pride. He can very easily fight at that lower weight if so desired and he also knows that a victory against GSP would come much easier than a victory against Jones.
That said, as an avid fan of Silva, I would prefer a fight against Jones. First, it would be the biggest fight in MMA history. You would have two undisputed champions finally meeting up to find out who the real king of all MMA is. Second, it would be the biggest pay per view event in UFC history, so Dana is probably ovulating as they speak about the potential.
I have a strong feeling that if this fight happens, it will go down at the end of the year.
Silva will truck right through Weidman and then they will give him a full 5-6 months to get ready for Jones. Likewise, Jones won't be able to start training for that fight for another month and a half or so (for that fracture to heal up). That way, they will both get the same amount of time to train for the match and will bring the UFC the biggest draw in all sports for the end of the year.
That's my take..
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P.S. If both Jones and Silva agree to that fight, I can see them both walking away with millions just for saying yes to it.
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Did you read the link I posted? Even he lost, it would be biggest payday of both of their lives.
I did read it and I also see your point. Maybe I am being overly skeptical. Silva has never really fought an opponent like Jones and has never shown an inclination to accept a challenge as great as this one would be. Hes been comfortable being dominant in an extremely weak division for a very long time. As a fan, I hope he fights Jones over GSP. GSP/Silva makes no sense.
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i didnt realise silva had cut that low before
be difficult at his age
but to be fair i think gsp vs silva is a better fight
i think jones is unbeatable
whereas gsp vs silva can go either way
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Silva has never really fought an opponent like Jones
Jones has never fought an opponent like Silva , what's your point ???
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I did read it and I also see your point. Maybe I am being overly skeptical. Silva has never really fought an opponent like Jones and has never shown an inclination to accept a challenge as great as this one would be. Hes been comfortable being dominant in an extremely weak division for a very long time. As a fan, I hope he fights Jones over GSP. GSP/Silva makes no sense.
You think he is scared to fight someone like Jones?
You've heard of guys like Yushin Okami, Vitor Belfort, Forest Griffin, Dan Henderson, Rich Franklin and Nate Marquardt right?
All of those guys are killers. Those are guys that also go up in weight or have come down in weight to take on Anderson and have all lost to him.
The man is a master in so many arts (has like 4 black belts in different styles and is a professional boxer) and walks around at 230-240 pounds in the off season. While I understand that Jones is a machine, Anderson is a freaking killer.
Before anything else though, what all of these guys (Silva, Jones & GSP) have in common is that they are businessmen first and fighters second.
Just like Jones rejected the first fight against Chael, even though he annihilated him yesterday, it isn't surprising if neither guys want to fight each other from a financial standpoint.
Their reputations bring in way more money then their UFC contracts give out and a loss for any of them translates into a thinner wallet and less long term prospects.
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Did you read the link I posted? Even he lost, it would be biggest payday of both of their lives.
Hey Coach, I replied in your other thread that you asked me twice to respond in and then PM'd me about.
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great post OMR
plus I have seen Silva with the Cuban Boxing Team and damn he has really good Western Boxing
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Joe, those statements from Dana are too ambiguous in nature. He said Silva called and wants "the fight" tonight, but left it at a cliff hanger regarding who.
No, it doesn't have to be Jones. Anderson Silva used to fight at 168 pounds while in Pride. He can very easily fight at that lower weight if so desired and he also knows that a victory against GSP would come much easier than a victory against Jones.
That said, as an avid fan of Silva, I would prefer a fight against Jones. First, it would be the biggest fight in MMA history. You would have two undisputed champions finally meeting up to find out who the real king of all MMA is. Second, it would be the biggest pay per view event in UFC history, so Dana is probably ovulating as they speak about the potential.
I have a strong feeling that if this fight happens, it will go down at the end of the year.
Silva will truck right through Weidman and then they will give him a full 5-6 months to get ready for Jones. Likewise, Jones won't be able to start training for that fight for another month and a half or so (for that fracture to heal up). That way, they will both get the same amount of time to train for the match and will bring the UFC the biggest draw in all sports for the end of the year.
That's my take..
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P.S. If both Jones and Silva agree to that fight, I can see them both walking away with millions just for saying yes to it.
It is not about what is easier that Anderson is concerned about, it is about what is more rewarding and a fight with GSP is a no win situation and extremely risky. Not risky that he might lose, it is not that cause he more then likely would win but the small margin of possibility that he will lose and if so that would completely destroy his legacy.
And a win would not do much cause people will just say - Oh GSP is just a smaller opponent and will not see it as a significant feat.
Fighting Jones is risky in terms of losing but if he loses he looses nothing (but his winning streak) and if he wins he becomes truly THE GOAT,... At least that will be public perception.
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this is former PRIDE and UFC SHW Champ Nog and Silva just toys with him
both have trained with Cuba Team, and every one says that Silva did very very well
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So it is true then, that he was not properly warmed up.. interesting
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It is not about what is easier that Anderson is concerned about, it is about what is more rewarding and a fight with GSP is a no win situation and extremely risky. Not risky that he might lose, it is not that cause he more then likely would win but the small margin of possibility that he will lose and if so that would completely destroy his legacy.
And a win would not do much cause people will just say - Oh GSP is just a smaller opponent and will not see it as a significant feat.
Fighting Jones is risky in terms of losing but if he loses he looses nothing (but his winning streak) and if he wins he becomes truly THE GOAT,... At least that will be public perception.
Oh I know, my point was that if he truly wanted to, he could go right down to that weight and fight perfectly well.
It's just not a worthwhile fight for him and GSP feels the same way. I just heard GSP on the Joe Rogan podcast and the kid has nothing but respect and admiration for Silva, but even he knows his limits against a much taller and stronger fighter.
I think the best fight would be Jones vs Silva for a superfight of the ages.
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Jones > Silva > GSP
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I rather spend a little bit more money staying (with The Coach) in the US and win the fight ,than going to England just to save a dollar and getting knock the fuck out .
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I rather spend a little bit more money staying (with The Coach) in the US and win the fight ,than going to England just to save a dollar and getting knock the fuck out .
He needs a new skills camp, plain and simple. Like I said, they ruined Rampage and now Kongo.
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Regarding Kongo, I just don't think he is at Roy Nelson's level. I've met Kongo before at Eddie Bravo's tenth planet and he was a complete gentlemen, very soft spoken and open to training with a bunch of amateurs.
That said, Nelson is a brawler and can take hits like a psycho (look at the Werdum fight for reference), as well as deliver knockout punches left and right.
Not to mention that on the ground he is deadly. He has spent many years at Renzo's academy (on and off) and has attained a black belt in JiuJitsu under Renzo. His ground game is ridiculously impressive for such a big man.
Nothing but respect for Nelson, the man is a truck and can fight with anyone.
It just wasn't Kongo's fight, he doesn't pair up well with a fighter like Nelson.
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His "glass jaw" lies in his diet. He literally goes in depleted and two days before a fight, he only drinks pedialite. I gave him eating programs that totaled 4100 calories but he chooses to eat only 2 meals per day, if that. I also told him (three months ago) he needed to be at least 250-255 for Nelson.
BTW, Joe Rogan is a fucking moron if you think you cannot develop power. Sometimes shit comes out of his mouth that he has no clue about.
You might be right because Roy eats like a fucking garbage disposal
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Kongo will NEVER EVER get the ground game that he NEEDS in the UFC it is really a shame to be blessed with that body
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Regarding Kongo, I just don't think he is at Roy Nelson's level. I've met Kongo before at Eddie Bravo's tenth planet and he was a complete gentlemen, very soft spoken and open to training with a bunch of amateurs.
That said, Nelson is a brawler and can take hits like a psycho (look at the Werdum fight for reference), as well as deliver knockout punches left and right.
Not to mention that on the ground he is deadly. He has spent many years at Renzo's academy (on and off) and has attained a black belt in JiuJitsu under Renzo. His ground game is ridiculously impressive for such a big man.
Nothing but respect for Nelson, the man is a truck and can fight with anyone.
It just wasn't Kongo's fight, he doesn't pair up well with a fighter like Nelson.
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Kongo is an average C level fighter , Nelson is a good B level fighter .
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Oh I know, my point was that if he truly wanted to, he could go right down to that weight and fight perfectly well.
It's just not a worthwhile fight for him and GSP feels the same way. I just heard GSP on the Joe Rogan podcast and the kid has nothing but respect and admiration for Silva, but even he knows his limits against a much taller and stronger fighter.
I think the best fight would be Jones vs Silva for a superfight of the ages.
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Yes so true, like you said I think GSP has his doubts against Silva where as Silva does not against Jones.
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Yes so true, like you said I think GSP has his doubts against Silva where as Silva does not against Jones.
100%
I also think GSP is a great fighter and knows what's best in order to WIN a fight. He isn't fighting mindlessly like an upandcomer would. He is fighting a smart fight and knows that the millions he is making every year is much better than walking away from a fight belt-less, with a broken nose and, not to mention, a bruised ego.
The Diaz brothers are great for entertainment, but their losses are starting to pile up. I can see a promising future for those two consisting of eating out of a straw, while foaming at the mouth..
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http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/4/26/4269374/morning-report-nate-diaz-says-josh-thomson-makes-lady-sounds-when
I really wonder what it's going to take for a Diaz brother to truly admit defeat in an actual MMA fight. At this stage, it's going to take getting murdered and the resurrected from the dead so they can acknowledge their own death. Actually, I bet that won't even work. They'll just taunt whoever murdered them with being unable to keep them dead.
Nate Diaz did a radio interview yesterday with BJPenn.com where he made all sorts of claims, not least of which was that UFC on FOX 7 opponent Josh Thomson wanted out of the fight and made 'lady sounds' when they competed.
"He didn't come in there and put no ass whopping on me. You know what I'm saying? He didn't come in there and make anything happen. I have never fought somebody before who had ever wanted out of a fight so bad. I expected a fight. I expected him to grab me and try to hold on to me or throw some kicks and move and throw some punches and move but that motherf--ker was straight running and I had to chase his down. I was chasing him the whole fight. I was the aggressor. I was restless, you know? How can you not be when a guy is running scared s--tless for his life? I'm over aggressive trying to get a hold of him and that's why I got hit, because I'm over aggressive. I'm trying to meet the criteria to win these rounds."
Fairly delusional, but not outright crazy. That's when Diaz turned it up:
"The last guy I fought, Josh Thomson, he was scared shitless when I was fighting him. It's unbelievable how scared he was in there. He was running for his life. He was making women when I was fighting him. He was making bitch ass lady sounds and that's not bulls--t. I'm not here talking s--t on him, this is reality. He was making woman sounds. He was running out of the clinch. I hit him in the face and he was going "Oh, oh, ehh" making woman sounds I've never even heard out of a man before during a fight. I'm hearing his corner telling him to smile and I'm like, "Yeah, smile mother f--ker" and not a single smile came out of his mouth. He had a look of panic the whole fight. You have to be in there to fight these guys to know that. This is how it went. I've seen him in other fights, he was smiling at the other guy, bouncing around. He didn't have no time for that against me. He was frantic and trying not to get his ass whooped."
This is what makes the Diaz brothers great. Sure, their perspectives can be a little colored by their own sense of manliness and limited views on what constitutes proper fighting. But their candor is enjoyable, rare and impossible to manufacture.
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this is former PRIDE and UFC SHW Champ Nog and Silva just toys with him
both have trained with Cuba Team, and every one says that Silva did very very well
would alot of potatoes be beneficial before a boxing match?
then water only between rounds?
what is the best food your team has figured out to eat before boxing
thanks
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http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/4/26/4269374/morning-report-nate-diaz-says-josh-thomson-makes-lady-sounds-when
I really wonder what it's going to take for a Diaz brother to truly admit defeat in an actual MMA fight. At this stage, it's going to take getting murdered and the resurrected from the dead so they can acknowledge their own death. Actually, I bet that won't even work. They'll just taunt whoever murdered them with being unable to keep them dead.
Nate Diaz did a radio interview yesterday with BJPenn.com where he made all sorts of claims, not least of which was that UFC on FOX 7 opponent Josh Thomson wanted out of the fight and made 'lady sounds' when they competed.
"He didn't come in there and put no ass whopping on me. You know what I'm saying? He didn't come in there and make anything happen. I have never fought somebody before who had ever wanted out of a fight so bad. I expected a fight. I expected him to grab me and try to hold on to me or throw some kicks and move and throw some punches and move but that motherf--ker was straight running and I had to chase his down. I was chasing him the whole fight. I was the aggressor. I was restless, you know? How can you not be when a guy is running scared s--tless for his life? I'm over aggressive trying to get a hold of him and that's why I got hit, because I'm over aggressive. I'm trying to meet the criteria to win these rounds."
Fairly delusional, but not outright crazy. That's when Diaz turned it up:
"The last guy I fought, Josh Thomson, he was scared shitless when I was fighting him. It's unbelievable how scared he was in there. He was running for his life. He was making women when I was fighting him. He was making bitch ass lady sounds and that's not bulls--t. I'm not here talking s--t on him, this is reality. He was making woman sounds. He was running out of the clinch. I hit him in the face and he was going "Oh, oh, ehh" making woman sounds I've never even heard out of a man before during a fight. I'm hearing his corner telling him to smile and I'm like, "Yeah, smile mother f--ker" and not a single smile came out of his mouth. He had a look of panic the whole fight. You have to be in there to fight these guys to know that. This is how it went. I've seen him in other fights, he was smiling at the other guy, bouncing around. He didn't have no time for that against me. He was frantic and trying not to get his ass whooped."
This is what makes the Diaz brothers great. Sure, their perspectives can be a little colored by their own sense of manliness and limited views on what constitutes proper fighting. But their candor is enjoyable, rare and impossible to manufacture.
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You think he is scared to fight someone like Jones?
You've heard of guys like Yushin Okami, Vitor Belfort, Forest Griffin, Dan Henderson, Rich Franklin and Nate Marquardt right?
All of those guys are killers. Those are guys that also go up in weight or have come down in weight to take on Anderson and have all lost to him.
The man is a master in so many arts (has like 4 black belts in different styles and is a professional boxer) and walks around at 230-240 pounds in the off season. While I understand that Jones is a machine, Anderson is a freaking killer.
Before anything else though, what all of these guys (Silva, Jones & GSP) have in common is that they are businessmen first and fighters second.
Just like Jones rejected the first fight against Chael, even though he annihilated him yesterday, it isn't surprising if neither guys want to fight each other from a financial standpoint.
Their reputations bring in way more money then their UFC contracts give out and a loss for any of them translates into a thinner wallet and less long term prospects.
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Aside from Henderson, who is truly one of the all time greats, and possibly exception of Belfort; none of those fighters are above B level. Franklin is another example of a big fish in a small pond. The middle weight division was even weaker during his tenure as champion than it is currently under Silva.
Griffin is a slow plodding fighter with minimal power for his size who seldom moves in any direction other than forward. To Griffin credit he also has tremendous stamina and iron will. For someone with Silva's style and speed, Griffin is a near perfect opponent to have because he walks right into punches. And judging from the fight and pics of the two of them together, there was much of a size discrepancy.
A while back myself and another poster, who did the actual math, calculated the physical attributes of the champion within each weight class in comparison to his closest competition. It was a very enlightening exercise and demonstrated pretty clearly how much size factors in making a champion.
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OTH is right.
silva v. jones: huge payday for everyone. if silva wins, he becomes a legend, undisputed GOAT, and it's not an earth-shattering blow to jones' reputation (losing to the best ever). if jones wins, he gets cemented as a the best fighter alive, living legend, etc., and it doesn't really hurt silva's reputation at all -- the fight will be seen as a passing of the torch, and silva will be seen as courageous for taking the fight. it would be a poignant way to retire.
silva v. gsp: huge payday, but no matter who wins, someone is going away with a seriously tarnished reputation. both fighters are on the tail end of their careers, and have little to gain -- besides money -- from the fight, and a lot more to lose otherwise.
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A while back myself and another poster, who did the actual math, calculated the physical attributes of the champion within each weight class in comparison to his closest competition. It was a very enlightening exercise and demonstrated pretty clearly how much size factors in making a champion.
qft, jones is so dominant because he has the perfect body for 205. people rave about his skills, but put any of these other guys in his body and they would still be saying the same thing. jones is able to execute all of his plans perfectly, to a degree i doubt has ever been seen in MMA before, because he is always physically superior to the other guy. he never has to get creative and overcome an intrinsic disadvantage, but his opponents do, every time. his body gives him a large advantage in every single fight, probably larger than any skill deficit that could possibly exist at this point.
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qft, jones is so dominant because he has the perfect body for 205. people rave about his skills, but put any of these other guys in his body and they would still be saying the same thing. jones is able to execute all of his plans perfectly, to a degree i doubt has ever been seen in MMA before, because he is always physically superior to the other guy. he never has to get creative and overcome an intrinsic disadvantage, but his opponents do, every time. his body gives him a large advantage in every single fight, probably larger than any skill deficit that could possibly exist at this point.
well said :)
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Jones is a freak. Chael uses PED and is very strong and muscular and he says he felt like a child against Jones
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pasta
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i will box with gloves anyone anytime thinking about going to one of these boxing gyms and durham after work, i wonder if thats smart after work but maybe that would warm me up for a good fight
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Jones is a freak. Chael uses PED and is very strong and muscular and he says he felt like a child against Jones
He was probably carb depleted, he should have listened to Jenny Craig Joe Loco....
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Franklin is another example of a big fish in a small pond. The middle weight division was even weaker during his tenure as champion than it is currently under Silva.
Griffin is a slow plodding fighter with minimal power for his size who seldom moves in any direction other than forward. To Griffin credit he also has tremendous stamina and iron will. For someone with Silva's style and speed, Griffin is a near perfect opponent to have because he walks right into punches. And judging from the fight and pics of the two of them together, there was much of a size discrepancy.
What I will disagree with here is your take on both Franklin and Griffin. Both of these gentlemen were champions in their weight class. For anyone to call someone who makes it to be champion of their weight class a "B" level fighter is a bit of stretch, in my honest opinion. While they are not the most exciting fighters to watch, let's look at a few things.
First, when it needed to count, Griffin plowed right through Rampage, Shogun, Tito Ortiz AND Chael Sonnen. If he isn't considered a strong fighter after going through all of those guys AND holding the belt, I don't know what to tell you. Yes, he is sloppy and yes he takes unnecessary risks with his head-first approach, but talented he is.
Both Henderson and Belfort are legendary. Okami is a very skilled fighter and is highly ranked (#5 middleweight in the world by Sherdog and #3 middleweight in the UFC official rankings). I wouldn't call him a "B" level fighter either, but I guess that's a matter of opinion, as I have heard enough guys say the same.
Franklin got through the following legends: Wandy Silva, Chuck Liddell and Ken Shamrock (Although I called this fight work). While he also isn't one of my favorites, the man paid his dues and held the belt as the middleweight champion.
A while back myself and another poster, who did the actual math, calculated the physical attributes of the champion within each weight class in comparison to his closest competition. It was a very enlightening exercise and demonstrated pretty clearly how much size factors in making a champion.
Whenever you can, please provide us with a link to that discussion. I'd like to see exactly how you two gentlemen formulated, by way of calculations, an accurate analysis of how size factored into the making of a champion.
All that in mind, I still believe firmly that Anderson can/would be a problem for anyone. While size can play a big role in a fight, raw skill-set is also important (see Brock Lesnar for an example of how lack of skill can get you to a loss any day).
While most would give the fight to Jones, if they were to meet, I'd still hold steady for Anderson on that bout.
I guess we will have to wait and see, good discussion!
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You think he is scared to fight someone like Jones?
You've heard of guys like Yushin Okami, Vitor Belfort, Forest Griffin, Dan Henderson, Rich Franklin and Nate Marquardt right?
All of those guys are killers. Those are guys that also go up in weight or have come down in weight to take on Anderson and have all lost to him.
The man is a master in so many arts (has like 4 black belts in different styles and is a professional boxer) and walks around at 230-240 pounds in the off season. While I understand that Jones is a machine, Anderson is a freaking killer.
Before anything else though, what all of these guys (Silva, Jones & GSP) have in common is that they are businessmen first and fighters second.
Just like Jones rejected the first fight against Chael, even though he annihilated him yesterday, it isn't surprising if neither guys want to fight each other from a financial standpoint.
Their reputations bring in way more money then their UFC contracts give out and a loss for any of them translates into a thinner wallet and less long term prospects.
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Anderson doesn't really have a good boxing record. Also Anderson Silva workpace in mma fights would not work well at all for him in boxing.
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Anderson doesn't really have a good boxing record. Also Anderson Silva workpace in mma fights would not work well at all for him in boxing.
How so Nomad? His professional boxing record was 1-1 (That's taken from boxrec, which is pretty official). He didn't have enough fights to be able to accurately categorize it as good or bad, no?
Also, the mere fact that he made it to be a Professional boxer is huge. You know it's difficult to become a professional boxer and takes a lot of work in the amateur ranks.
I also doubt he would approach boxing with the same workpace he uses in mma. The footwork alone is completely different, as well as the actual defense. Very few mma fighters have any boxing footwork and/or appropriate defense.
(http://www.boxrec.com/media/images/3/34/92650119720058815825_anderson.jpg)
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P.S. I think his calling is within MMA. Boxing is another creature all together..
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How so Nomad? His professional boxing record was 1-1 (That's taken from boxrec, which is pretty official). He didn't have enough fights to be able to accurately categorize it as good or bad, no?
Also, the mere fact that he made it to be a Professional boxer is huge. You know it's difficult to become a professional boxer and takes a lot of work in the amateur ranks.
I also doubt he would approach boxing with the same workpace he uses in mma. The footwork alone is completely different, as well as the actual defense. Very few mma fighters have any boxing footwork and/or appropriate defense.
(http://www.boxrec.com/media/images/3/34/92650119720058815825_anderson.jpg)
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P.S. I think his calling is within MMA. Boxing is another creature all together..
Anderson Silva boxrec is 1-1, can't really draw any conclusions from that. In my opinion, when watching his fights Anderson Silva just doesn't have the workrate of a 185lb boxer in terms of numbers of punches/strikes thrown per round. However Silva incredible speed and strength allows him to get away with that in UFC but if Anderson went up against really good 185lb boxers he would not fare as well. For example here is Roy Jones at 168, and look how many punches he throws a minute. Roy Jones isn't even a high workrate fighter, he relies (or used to) on his speed and footwork vs number of punches thrown.
Here is Jones at 185 vs Clinton Woods
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Not blaming Coach (who is a great coach btw) for anything.
Just saying that if you had stuck with him (travelled to the UK with him and kept training him), he would have won the fight for sure.
He needed you.
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Not blaming Coach (who is a great coach btw) for anything.
Just saying that if you had stuck with him (travelled to the UK with him and kept training him), he would have won the fight for sure.
He needed you.
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I don't do their job nor do I know it and they do my job. I did my job, they didn't do their job.
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in the post fight interview he blamed his strength coach, does anyone know who it was?
LOL
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I don't do their job nor do I know it and they do my job. I did my job, they didn't do their job.
You brought Kongo in such bad shape he was too tired to keep his hands up for the first round. You should feel personally responsible.
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You're to blame Coach!!! ;D
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Aside from Henderson, who is truly one of the all time greats, and possibly exception of Belfort; none of those fighters are above B level. Franklin is another example of a big fish in a small pond. The middle weight division was even weaker during his tenure as champion than it is currently under Silva.
Griffin is a slow plodding fighter with minimal power for his size who seldom moves in any direction other than forward. To Griffin credit he also has tremendous stamina and iron will. For someone with Silva's style and speed, Griffin is a near perfect opponent to have because he walks right into punches. And judging from the fight and pics of the two of them together, there was much of a size discrepancy.
A while back myself and another poster, who did the actual math, calculated the physical attributes of the champion within each weight class in comparison to his closest competition. It was a very enlightening exercise and demonstrated pretty clearly how much size factors in making a champion.
You have that backwards...
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CAn someone send this link to Kongo so we can get his perspective...
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Coach sure takes credit when good happens and deflects when bad happens
most extreme case I have seen
also most extreme self esteem issues i have seen
this
If Kongo would have won, it would have been
because of Coach's training.
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Leave Coach alone already. He did his best with Kongo. What athlete did you just train?
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look
it would be fine if he didnt come on here bragging all the time about who he trains or bragging about who his neighbor is or bragging bragging, preaching religion and also attempting to come across as more intelligent than he really is. If he would just be humble it would be fine, but he is the biggest example of bringing it on himself
thank you Mr. Krasnov
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I see your point. I just feel bad. Coach already feels bad that Kongo lost. That should be enough. Right?
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Coach is a good man, give him a break, geez