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It would wipe out the illegal market, neutralizing the gang/mafia cultures, reducing gun related deaths and making life better overall for all people?
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It would, but another argument that has merit at least in America is "what do you do with all the ex- dope dealers?" . In the States, you essentially have a permanent underclass that survives off of mid and street level drug dealing. Much of the gun deaths are confined to them, and other associated fringes.
If you took the profit out of the drug trade by legalizing it, it would create a very nasty situation in the States at least for a few years, because you'd create an un-educated underclass that have to go back to harder forms of street crime to support themselves. There isn't much industry left in America, so you can't shuttle them into decent paying minimal skill jobs, etc......
I'd like to see it, but it's a long way off, atleast here.
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I never understood the war on drugs. It obviously never had anything to do with human welfare and was about politics and racism (maybe even religion, always looking to label something a sin). Look at the results in Columbia and Mexico and the almighty underworld it has produced. Mexican cartels have taken over whole towns and even have their own Police. Not even their military can stop them. Do-Gooders have fucked the world up, just let people take drugs and have fun and concentrate on education and harm minimisation like we do with gambling, tobacco and alcohol.
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Since 30,000 to 40,000 car fatalities happen every year I can only imagine the increase. I can also imagine the increase in the amount of disabled people surviving on government disability checks. Legalization of drugs will also increase the amount of people addicted who need to resort to crime to pay for drugs. It also will increase the amount of people who need medical care that will be paid for by the productive workers and not the slackers.
Drugs are not good for a productive society. It's only good to bring society down.
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Legalisation will not increase the amount of people getting addicted
For example in Holland people consume less weed than here in germany
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Legalisation will not increase the amount of people getting addicted
For example in Holland people consume less weed than here in germany
holland and Germany are the US. The culture of the US is that of extremes...
The hard drugs like heroin, cocaine, crack, PCP NEED to illegal. The Mary Jane, I could see being legal.
People will still steal, beg, borrow, kill, to a higher degree if the harder drugs are legalized...
Crime Pays---there is a huge System that supports and makes money off of drugs and criminal behavior. Remember this is a capitalist society.
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Since 30,000 to 40,000 car fatalities happen every year I can only imagine the increase. I can also imagine the increase in the amount of disabled people surviving on government disability checks. Legalization of drugs will also increase the amount of people addicted who need to resort to crime to pay for drugs. It also will increase the amount of people who need medical care that will be paid for by the productive workers and not the slackers.
Drugs are not good for a productive society. It's only good to bring society down.
You're so far out of touch it's not even funny. You sound like some old alcoholic prescription drug junkie repeating the propaganda from your youth. Do you know how big an industry drugs already are. Do you even realise how many people are already driving drug affected, the whole trucking industry runs on Amphetamines. So your argument that they are no good for a productive society is bullshit. Productive societies are the ones currently using all the drugs. I bet you haven't even tried illegal drugs have you, you seem to have some voodoo nonsense idea of what they are and what they do. I bet you've worked alongside a ton of addicts and you haven't the faintest clue. Because in your mind your looking out for some strung out junkie type with sores all over his body and scratching the shit out of himself. Let me tell you, the users that end up like that would be losers if they were off drugs, the drugs just exacerbate their loser qualities. Addicts work in all occupations, from blue collar, white collar to professional.
And increased levels of addiction when drugs are legal is bullshit. In Amsterdam, where cannabis is legal, the cannabis use is lower than in the surrounding countries like the Germany, Denmark, Italy and the UK. During the prohibition of alcohol, usage went up and not down. So not only did it make matters worse, it started mafia like criminal organisations. Legalising drugs would add $76 billions dollars to the world economy. And what increased medical care costs, your of you rocker, do you know how much it costs to incarcerate all these drug users not to mention how much Governments spend on the war on drugs. The US is spending over $500 a second on the war on drugs. $15-20 billion every year.
This is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the benefits to legalisation of drugs. I actually think the criminalisation of drugs is immoral and when you consider the carnage and bloodshed it has created, it is probably one of the most deadly wars ever fought. I hope the violence and terrorism currently being experienced in Mexico spreads across the border and you get a taste of what decriminalisation has caused. It might be time for you to get an education on the reality of the matter rather than rehashing old worn out clichés. No wonder this world is in the mess it is in.
If you can get a hold of the documentary "Breaking the Taboo", you just might learn something.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturevideo/filmvideo/9703323/Breaking-the-Taboo-trailer-Bill-Clinton-and-Morgan-Freeman-back-anti-war-on-drugs-documentary.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturevideo/filmvideo/9703323/Breaking-the-Taboo-trailer-Bill-Clinton-and-Morgan-Freeman-back-anti-war-on-drugs-documentary.html)
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Since 30,000 to 40,000 car fatalities happen every year I can only imagine the increase.
I didn't say make drug driving legal.
I can also imagine the increase in the amount of disabled people surviving on government disability checks. Legalization of drugs will also increase the amount of people addicted who need to resort to crime to pay for drugs. It also will increase the amount of people who need medical care that will be paid for by the productive workers and not the slackers.
Drugs are not good for a productive society. It's only good to bring society down.
The cost would drop dramatically. It would reduce crime by addicts.
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Since 30,000 to 40,000 car fatalities happen every year I can only imagine the increase. I can also imagine the increase in the amount of disabled people surviving on government disability checks. Legalization of drugs will also increase the amount of people addicted who need to resort to crime to pay for drugs. It also will increase the amount of people who need medical care that will be paid for by the productive workers and not the slackers.
Drugs are not good for a productive society. It's only good to bring society down.
I think the short term more people would use...However the numbers would come down as years go by just like what has happened with smoking...Education has brought down the number of people who smoke today compared decades past. It's always been legal and the numbers seem to be dropping. Even though tobacco companies are spending more and more each year on advertising...Society imop should legalize some drugs and ramp up education. Let this generation take the hit so that future generations will be better suited to deal with it all...
http://www.gallup.com/poll/109048/us-smoking-rate-still-coming-down.aspx
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in 100 years from now people will not understand wtf the big deal of drugs where, just like we cannot understand prohibition
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I agree with Parker. Legalize weed, fine. But how in the world to you regulate something like crack or heroin?
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yeah i say legalize everything. not only would it eventually phase out drug-related crime, but i think it would drive down pharma prices too if anyone can walk into a cvs and buy whatever they need. the pharma companies would actually have to compete instead of relying on ridiculously high prices and ridiculously long patents to squeeze every last penny out of their patients.
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It would, but another argument that has merit at least in America is "what do you do with all the ex- dope dealers?" . In the States, you essentially have a permanent underclass that survives off of mid and street level drug dealing. Much of the gun deaths are confined to them, and other associated fringes.
If you took the profit out of the drug trade by legalizing it, it would create a very nasty situation in the States at least for a few years, because you'd create an un-educated underclass that have to go back to harder forms of street crime to support themselves. There isn't much industry left in America, so you can't shuttle them into decent paying minimal skill jobs, etc......
I'd like to see it, but it's a long way off, atleast here.
That's what annoys me, US Gun Violence Statistics are heavily skewed by criminals killing criminals.
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Nevermind the risk/benefit debate. It's not the government's place to tell me what I may or may not do while sitting in my living room.
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Nevermind the risk/benefit debate. It's not the government's place to tell me what I may or may not do while sitting in my living room.
Understood, and I agree to an extent. Problem is, how do you get your hands on it. If it's legal, it will have to be regulated. The government certainly can't allow dirty PCP to be sold by some back street pusher. It will have to be purchased legally through a gov. approved seller, as weed is now in some places. So, in essence, weed is tolerated/approved/endorsed to some degree, as it has been declared relatively harmless, by the government.
How can they possibly do that with harder street drugs that have not, and/or can not, be proven "harmless"?
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Understood, and I agree to an extent. Problem is, how do you get your hands on it. If it's legal, it will have to be regulated. The government certainly can't allow dirty PCP to be sold by some back street pusher. It will have to be purchased legally through a gov. approved seller, as weed is now in some places. So, in essence, weed is tolerated/approved/endorsed to some degree, as it has been declared relatively harmless, by the government.
How can they possibly do that with harder street drugs that have not, and/or can not, be proven "harmless"?
Same as with alcohol & tobacco. They're harmful but are sold to adults in licensed shops. Alcohol laws should apply to drugs: no driving, no public consumption or public intoxication, etc.
Legalization/ prohibition debates often seem to end up measuring the effects of each on scales of harm vs good. [See thread title.] I don't see gauging utility as providing a clear winner and I'm not sure that projected effect should be the deciding factor anyway.
I prefer to proceed from the principle of being free to do as you choose so long as you don't harm others. While you get plenty of supporters on both sides of the prohibition question when discussed as in terms of the effects it will have, no one ever seems to take up the case against individual sovereignty and why a harmless (to others) sane adult shouldn't be free to do as he chooses.
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Take a look at our prescription pill problem..the doctors/pharmacists have become the legal drug dealers.
And people get the pills and get high, or sell them for a higher price---$20 dollars per pill, for 90 pills?
We already have a nation of Addicts---zombies if you will. Always looking for their next fix. Not bothering to bathe, take care of their kids, bills, etc. It's an epidemic.
And don't let someone hooked up on PCP get angry, freaking Hulk-like rage and strength, and the chemical smell is nasty. A freaking, watery-eyed, chemical smelling real life Hulk.
And I think alcohol is worse is than weed.
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Understood, and I agree to an extent. Problem is, how do you get your hands on it. If it's legal, it will have to be regulated. The government certainly can't allow dirty PCP to be sold by some back street pusher. It will have to be purchased legally through a gov. approved seller, as weed is now in some places. So, in essence, weed is tolerated/approved/endorsed to some degree, as it has been declared relatively harmless, by the government.
How can they possibly do that with harder street drugs that have not, and/or can not, be proven "harmless"?
go and buy vet or human grade PCP from a pharmacy? it's a tranquilizer used in medical settings... and there's no such thing as "street drugs", only stupid government distinctions and favoritism backed by brainwashing of the mass public and not actual science. nearly every drug at some point originated from medical applications, it was only when they fell out of favor, and the government lost control of them due to widespread recreational use, did they start their smear campaign against these "evil death substances". "street drugs" wouldn't exist if they weren't outlawed and driven out into the streets in the first place.
back when we were at war with nazi germany the government had no problem force feeding metric tons of amphetamines and barbiturates to our soldiers to increase their battlefield awareness and dampen feelings of fear and remorse and put PTSD symptoms at bay, the germans did the same exact thing, they laced chocolate with amphetamines and handed them out to pilots and tankers, do some research on Panzerschokolade and Fliegerschokolade if you don't believe me. hell, hitler had meth, heroine and cocaine prescribed to him by his doctor during the entire war. and churchill drank like a fish.
and in the cold war the CIA synthesized LSD and crack cocaine and kidnapped mental patients and prisoners, dosing them with massive amounts against their will in some bullshit experiments to test the validity of sleeper agents and "soviet mind control".
but now they take this "holier than thou" stance, as if they are better qualified than us to decide what we put into our bodies, oh yeah a bit of coke is bad but here's some cigs and alcohol and benzos and opiates so you can destroy your liver and lungs and sanity, as long as they get their cut.
fuck that shit. nothing is harmless or harmful, it's what you do with it. hell, even drinking too much water can kill you.
how much money are we wasting keeping drug addicts who have no desire to get clean on various rehab programs? alcohol is legal, when an alcoholic has trouble at work/family, they hand him an AA pamphlet and tell him to fix the shit. but when someone's a crack addict he gets a government funded stipend, a place to live, counseling services, etc. all of this is due to people being brainwashed into thinking "oh this drug is evil it makes good people do bad things". if said drugs were legal those addicts would have no excuse.
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whole trucking industry runs on Amphetamines.
lol trucking? try the entire academia, medical and scientific industry. nearly every high-GPA egghead i know in uni lives on adderall, vyvanse and ritalin. the stuff sells like candy in college towns.
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It would, but another argument that has merit at least in America is "what do you do with all the ex- dope dealers?" . In the States, you essentially have a permanent underclass that survives off of mid and street level drug dealing. Much of the gun deaths are confined to them, and other associated fringes.
If you took the profit out of the drug trade by legalizing it, it would create a very nasty situation in the States at least for a few years, because you'd create an un-educated underclass that have to go back to harder forms of street crime to support themselves. There isn't much industry left in America, so you can't shuttle them into decent paying minimal skill jobs, etc......
I'd like to see it, but it's a long way off, atleast here.
I agree, plus all of law enforcement, milliions of pigs and pig related jobs would be lost.
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Nevermind the risk/benefit debate. It's not the government's place to tell me what I may or may not do while sitting in my living room.
The government owns your body. They're smarter than you and they'll tell you what you can and can't do to your body.
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The government owns your body. They're smarter than you and they'll tell you what you can and can't do to your body.
I'm jerking off for Freedom!
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I'm jerking off for Freedom!
Hear, hear!
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I agree, plus all of law enforcement, milliions of pigs and pig related jobs would be lost.
not just that. The Judicial system feeds off of effects of addiction. Probation and Parole, programs, fees and fines. Court costs, Judges and clerks, and bailiff salaries. There is a massive infrastructure built on drugs, the addiction and the criminal behavior behind it.
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a society on cocaine?
on heroin?
meth?
how many addicts do you people know?
you think they make for good foundation of a society? ;D
want historical example of a nation who allowed their citizens to become addicts on large scale?
china before opium wars.
just saying, but im still in favour of legalization.
but damn we got some proper crack heads on this forum
drugs dont do you any good, they really do not,you just think they do.its called an addiction.self denial.
typical junkie behaviour.whats next "i can control my cocaine use very well".
yeah right,i heard such before.
govt isnt all that bad,they wanna make sure first and foremost ppl can afford or have food.
society of junkies will eventualy run out of food, the economy wouldnt do so well.
but go ahead and legalize it, i just think the world as a whole isnt ready for it yet, technoligicaly and economicaly.
if we lived in some utopia where everything comes for free, well yeah then itd work.
Society is already one them
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Society is already one them
Exactly.
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a society on cocaine?
on heroin?
meth?
how many addicts do you people know?
you think they make for good foundation of a society? ;D
want historical example of a nation who allowed their citizens to become addicts on large scale?
china before opium wars.
just saying, but im still in favour of legalization.
but damn we got some proper crack heads on this forum
drugs dont do you any good, they really do not,you just think they do.its called an addiction.self denial.
typical junkie behaviour.whats next "i can control my cocaine use very well".
yeah right,i heard such before.
govt isnt all that bad,they wanna make sure first and foremost ppl can afford or have food.
society of junkies will eventualy run out of food, the economy wouldnt do so well.
but go ahead and legalize it, i just think the world as a whole isnt ready for it yet, technoligicaly and economicaly.
if we lived in some utopia where everything comes for free, well yeah then itd work.
Somebody is unaware that the world already consumes large quantities of drugs. You must be arguing that everyone will become an addict if they are legalised. But research shows the opposite is true. Is everyone an alcoholic or addicted to nicotine?, these things are freely available, no questions asked. When America first prohibited alcohol, usage actually went up and when prohibition was abolished usage went down again. I probably drink alcohol once every two years, just because something is freely available doesn't mean everybody will want to do it.
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Somebody is unaware that the world already consumes large quantities of drugs. You must be arguing that everyone will become an addict if they are legalised. But research shows the opposite is true. Is everyone an alcoholic or addicted to nicotine?, these things are freely available, no questions asked. When America first prohibited alcohol, usage actually went up and when prohibition was abolished usage went down again. I probably drink alcohol once every two years, just because something is freely available doesn't mean everybody will want to do it.
A large percentage of the American populace is addicted to nicotine and alcohol.
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People have to get away from the mindset that more government is the solution.
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People have to get away from the mindset that more government is the solution.
Ain't that the truth , whenever they are involved calamity ensues
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People have to get away from the mindset that more government is the solution.
the problem is, the more liberal you (or the populace) are the more you invite the government to be bigger...
more "rights" means more legislation and laws. More laws means more police to enforce those laws. More people arrested means more courthouses, more judges, more clerks, more parole and probation officers. All this "extra government" paid for by the tax payers.
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lol trucking? try the entire academia, medical and scientific industry. nearly every high-GPA egghead i know in uni lives on adderall, vyvanse and ritalin. the stuff sells like candy in college towns.
Good point...And Hollywood has been running on massive amounts of cocaine for many decades.
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a society on cocaine?
on heroin?
meth?
how many addicts do you people know?
you think they make for good foundation of a society? ;D
want historical example of a nation who allowed their citizens to become addicts on large scale?
china before opium wars.
just saying, but im still in favour of legalization.
but damn we got some proper crack heads on this forum
drugs dont do you any good, they really do not,you just think they do.its called an addiction.self denial.
typical junkie behaviour.whats next "i can control my cocaine use very well".
yeah right,i heard such before.
govt isnt all that bad,they wanna make sure first and foremost ppl can afford or have food.
society of junkies will eventualy run out of food, the economy wouldnt do so well.
but go ahead and legalize it, i just think the world as a whole isnt ready for it yet, technoligicaly and economicaly.
if we lived in some utopia where everything comes for free, well yeah then itd work.
Almost every single movie you watched has been aided by Cocaine. Whether it be the Actors, Directors or both. Creative minds aren't really that creative sober.
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A large percentage of the American populace is addicted to nicotine and alcohol.
Compared to 30+ years ago, the numbers are dropping and will continue to drop...
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yeah like for instance when they save somebody whos been attacked by a drug junkie who was in dire financial straits and needed the next fix
what will the junkies do when theyre out of money but only govt gives out the drugs in controled matter?
They'll still be a black market for such things. The sever addicts still find a way to catch a buzz.
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People have to get away from the mindset that more government is the solution.
Government has it's place, it just depends on what role they should take. In the case of America, more government well may be the answer, look at China for example, if that place wasn't ruled with an iron fist there would be chaos. I actually think what America needs is a benevolent dictator. I would like to see a powerful Government form that didn't take shit from anybody, told the people exactly what to do and to pull their heads in or it's a FEMA camp for them. The average American citizen is like a spoiled child who rejects any form of discipline or authority. The only way to deal with a kid like that is frequent beatings, strong boundaries and harsh punishments, you would be surprised how many kids behave themselves under this type of regime. Freedom ruined America, they couldn't handle it, and they ended up spoilt, fat, dumb, lazy, entitled, indoctrinated conspiracy nutters who fear their own shadows. Freedom isn't always a good thing.
(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2009/04/19/1225700/137071-jackie-chan-freedom-leads-to-chaos.jpg)
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Compared to 30+ years ago, the numbers are dropping and will continue to drop...
because the people who were using 30 yrs ago are dying off? Or because people have found new addictions?
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bunch of fantastic speculation in here ::)
only way to know is to try it, and see what happens ;D
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Government has it's place, it just depends on what role they should take. In the case of America, more government well may be the answer, look at China for example, if that place wasn't ruled with an iron fist there would be chaos. I actually think what America needs is a benevolent dictator. I would like to see a powerful Government form that didn't take shit from anybody, told the people exactly what to do and to pull their heads in or it's a FEMA camp for them. The average American citizen is like a spoiled child who rejects any form of discipline or authority. The only way to deal with a kid like that is frequent beatings, strong boundaries and harsh punishments, you would be surprised how many kids behave themselves under this type of regime. Freedom ruined America, they couldn't handle it, and they ended up spoilt, fat, dumb, lazy, entitled, indoctrinated conspiracy nutters who fear their own shadows. Freedom isn't always a good thing.
(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2009/04/19/1225700/137071-jackie-chan-freedom-leads-to-chaos.jpg)
And this is the Anarchistic definition of the State: the embodiment of the principle of invasion in an individual, or a band of individuals, assuming to act as representatives or masters of the entire people within a given area. - Benjamin Tucker
Be afraid of freedom all you want....but you won't do it on my dime or diminshed liberties.
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And this is the Anarchistic definition of the State: the embodiment of the principle of invasion in an individual, or a band of individuals, assuming to act as representatives or masters of the entire people within a given area. - Benjamin Tucker
Be afraid of freedom all you want....but you won't do it on my dime or diminshed liberties.
I'm not afraid of freedom, I live in a very free society, free of fear, free of mass shootings and terrorism, fantastic living conditions etc etc. Freedom just doesn't suit the American people, they make freedom look awful, they all take it to mean securing their personal idea of freedom at the expense of other peoples freedom, so you just have this mish mash of special interest groups trampling all over everyone elses idea of personal freedom to the point you all end up more enslaved than if you had no freedom at all.
Like I said, America is full of undisciplined naughty children in need of some serious discipline for their own good. With a mature and reasonable child, you can give them plenty of freedom, and it will be appreciated and well used, with a naughty child, you give them freedom and they will just use that freedom to trample over other peoples freedom. Freedom to a naughty child means indulging their criminally selfish attitude, and believing the are free to do whatever they like at the expense of other people. Americas idea of freedom just looks like a horrible form of enslavement, it's like watching the Mentally Ill take over and run the asylum.
Banning guns and legalising drugs would help America move more in the direction of real freedom. They also might lighten up and stop being so fearful and angry.
The concept of freedom was meant to mean maximising freedom for the majority, including freedom from being exposed to unnecessary risk from others, freedom from not having your brains blown out at school, or in the supermarket etc etc., America has perverted the concept of freedom into a selfish definition of it. They take it too mean I want as much personal freedom as I can get regardless of the negative impact it has on the freedoms of the majority. The greatest problem America faces is having a large percentage of the population that are deeply selfish and not community minded. "The fuck you Jack I'm OK" mentality.
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It would wipe out the illegal market, neutralizing the gang/mafia cultures, reducing gun related deaths and making life better overall for all people?
Obviously, no.
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I'm not afraid of freedom, I live in a very free society, free of fear, free of mass shootings and terrorism, fantastic living conditions etc etc. Freedom just doesn't suit the American people, they make freedom look awful, they all take it to mean securing their personal idea of freedom at the expense of other peoples freedom, so you just have this mish mash of special interest groups trampling all over everyone elses idea of personal freedom to the point you all end up more enslaved than if you had no freedom at all.
Like I said, America is full of undisciplined naughty children in need of some serious discipline for their own good. With a mature and reasonable child, you can give them plenty of freedom, and it will be appreciated and well used, with a naughty child, you give them freedom and they will just use that freedom to trample over other peoples freedom. Freedom to a naughty child means indulging their criminally selfish attitude, and believing the are free to do whatever they like at the expense of other people. Americas idea of freedom just looks like a horrible form of enslavement, it's like watching the Mentally Ill take over and run the asylum.
Banning guns and legalising drugs would help America move more in the direction of real freedom. They also might lighten up and stop being so fearful and angry.
The concept of freedom was meant to mean maximising freedom for the majority, including freedom from being exposed to unnecessary risk from others, freedom from not having your brains blown out at school, or in the supermarket etc etc., America has perverted the concept of freedom into a selfish definition of it. They take it too mean I want as much personal freedom as I can get regardless of the negative impact it has on the freedoms of the majority. The greatest problem America faces is having a large percentage of the population that are deeply selfish and not community minded. "The fuck you Jack I'm OK" mentality.
whatever you say, comrade.
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whatever you say, comrade.
:o Freedom, American Style
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See what the American idea of freedom has created. Give an American freedom and he becomes a complete tool.
(http://rt.com/files/news/1e/f1/40/00/18-year-old-kid-arrested-on-terrorism-threats.si.jpg)
(http://rt.com/files/news/1e/f1/40/00/-1.jpg)
Sum up a country of 312,000,000 people based on one douche-bag...
Fuck off
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Sum up a country of 312,000,000 people based on one douche-bag...
Fuck off
One, lol, you think this guy is an anomaly?,
Maybe I can use this guy as an example of a typical American
Don't get me wrong, I think there a lot of good Americans, it's just that there outnumbered by arseholes.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uifPrJ7VPVU/Svsc9vVHvRI/AAAAAAAAAAU/3kel2ZbEj6g/s320/dooshdean3.jpg)
or these guys
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or these guys
(http://www.womanaroundtown.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Jersey-Shore.jpg)
or this guy
(http://jerseyjoeart.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/mustang4l.jpg)
actually this character is probably more representative
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g84/harobed216/Movies/Stills/American%20Psycho/american-psycho-02.jpg)
what about these guys
(http://forums.roadbikereview.com/attachments/lounge/279161d1366135993-d-vs-db-douchebags_2.jpg)
or this for the typical American family.
(http://img2-2.timeinc.net/people/i/2012/news/120820/honey-boo-boo-family-600.jpg)
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ekul, youre not leaving the house very often but think muslims and pitbulls are a huge threat, but junkies on cold turkey desperation you think are safe thing for society?
just bc the drug and consumption would be legal doesnt mean the junkies have endless money supply, quite the contrary.
in what things will they engage to finance their habbits
flawed reasoning.
what kind of things do alcoholics and nicotine addicts engage in to fund their habits?
and don't tell me that's different, there's a chemical addiction involved in both cases.
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It would wipe out the illegal market, neutralizing the gang/mafia cultures, reducing gun related deaths and making life better overall for all people?
I agree 100%.
It would also eliminate a lot of so-called 'criminals' from taking up space in the prisons and free the resources, manpower and efforts of police to focus on murderers, rapists etc and actual criminals.
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ekul, youre not leaving the house very often but think muslims and pitbulls are a huge threat, but junkies on cold turkey desperation you think are safe thing for society?
just bc the drug and consumption would be legal doesnt mean the junkies have endless money supply, quite the contrary.
in what things will they engage to finance their habbits
Government regulations and supply would drastically reduce the price of drugs. Why do you think the cost of drugs is so high, because of criminalisation. The same things happens to anything you criminalise, the price is normally 6-10 times more than what it should be.
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Government regulations and supply would drastically reduce the price of drugs. Why do you think the cost of drugs is so high, because of criminalisation. The same things happens to anything you criminalise, the price is normally 6-10 times more than what it should be.
lol You're clueless meth and heroine are dirt cheap
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lol You're clueless meth and heroine are dirt cheap
ahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHA
NO THEY'RE FUCKING NOT
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ahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHA
NO THEY'RE FUCKING NOT
Bullshit
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The opinion of a Libertarian and Economics professor on why drugs should be legalised:
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Bullshit
go fund a meth and heroin habit on a blue collar salary while also paying for rent, car, food etc and then tell me they're dirt cheap
they're not. especially if you are getting the good shit that hasn't been cut 50 times and isn't full of toxic solvents
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The opinion of a Libertarian and Economics professor on why drugs should be legalised:
an old video, that doesn't go together with today's culture of more is better.
Hell, take a look at the high obesity rate of America, and that is just food. When this vid was taken, and during "Prohibition" you didn't see the rates of obesity that you see now (nor fast food joints, which gave people more access to cheap, fast food).
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go fund a meth and heroin habit on a blue collar salary while also paying for rent, car, food etc and then tell me they're dirt cheap
they're not. especially if you are getting the good shit that hasn't been cut 50 times and isn't full of toxic solvents
Who said fund a habbit? I said the drugs are cheap
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an old video, that doesn't go together with today's culture of more is better.
Hell, take a look at the high obesity rate of America, and that is just food. When this vid was taken, and during "Prohibition" you didn't see the rates of obesity that you see now (nor fast food joints, which gave people more access to cheap, fast food).
That's debatable.
The obesity issue could also be just because of laziness or the faster pace of our society where a lot of people have less time and would rather spend it another way than preparing food.
It could also be cheaper than buying the ingredients oneself and seem more practical for a lot of people, especially if they don't even understand nutrition.
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Who said fund a habbit? I said the drugs are cheap
because most people use drugs regularly? how many people do you know only smoke or drink once a year? most people either do it regularly or not at all.
what exactly do you mean by "cheap"? are you basing this off of anything or are you just repeating something you heard on dateline NBC?
because i don't use the stuff myself but i've looked at SR prices and i can see how people can *easily* spend 50 bucks a week on it, and that's a conservative estimate and even that = $2600/yr which isn't "cheap" for pretty much 95% of the income-earning population.
on the other hand my friends can get massive adderall scripts refilled for like 7 bucks a month.
e-kul is completely right in this case, nothing that's illegal is ever cheap due to basic supply and demand. if it was legalized prices would go down significantly.
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lol You're clueless meth and heroine are dirt cheap
ahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHA
NO THEY'RE FUCKING NOT
NarcissisticDeity is just being deliberately ignorant because he feels butthurt over my belief in gun control. At least I hope he is being deliberately ignorant. The more I deal with NarcissisticDeity, the more I suspect he is a poorly educated pimple faced teenager raised in a strict fundamentalist Religious family with extreme black and white views.
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The opinion of a Libertarian and Economics professor on why drugs should be legalised:
Good Clip. it's amazing how long it has been known that the criminalisation of drugs is immoral and causes more harm than good and yet nothing is done about it.
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That's debatable.
The obesity issue could also be just because of laziness or the faster pace of our society where a lot of people have less time and would rather spend it another way than preparing food.
It could also be cheaper than buying the ingredients oneself and seem more practical for a lot of people, especially if they don't even understand nutrition.
In the south, the pace of life is noticeably slower, yet people still eat fast food, and still are obese.
And the majority of people do not want to take time to cook a meal, always saying that they are busy...busy doing what? Checking email, posting on getbig....
Not really busy. I understand your argument.
But, this vid was done in a time where people didnt have the attitude that they want to do anything that they want, as much as they want, when they want, and however long they want. But, if something happens, it's not their fault, it's someone else's, and why isn't the government doing something about it.
We want to do everything to excess, eating, drinking, snorting, smoking anything...
And what happens if the drugs are legal? A junkie is a junkie whether the drugs are legal or not. So, what happens if the stores are closed which sell the drugs? A junkie will try to break in (they have done that in pharmacies). Or what happens when an all night store runs out? A junkie will throw a fit, and possibly rob the place for money, to go to another "store" to get the Drugs. And what if the junkie has no funds? Well, they still will steal, rob, or pawn off stuff (mainly from people they stole stuff from) to support the habit.
And then what about the increased DUIs of driving while under the influence of drugs? Or workplace productivity? A true junkie can do jack without doing a hit every few hours or even a half an hour?
Too many things to consider, once you open that Pandora's Box.
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because most people use drugs regularly? how many people do you know only smoke or drink once a year? most people either do it regularly or not at all.
what exactly do you mean by "cheap"? are you basing this off of anything or are you just repeating something you heard on dateline NBC?
because i don't use the stuff myself but i've looked at SR prices and i can see how people can *easily* spend 50 bucks a week on it, and that's a conservative estimate and even that = $2600/yr which isn't "cheap" for pretty much 95% of the income-earning population.
on the other hand my friends can get massive adderall scripts refilled for like 7 bucks a month.
e-kul is completely right in this case, nothing that's illegal is ever cheap due to basic supply and demand. if it was legalized prices would go down significantly.
I have TWO older brother who are addicts , one is dead because of his addictions , the other one is one his way out. Trust me I know more about addicts and drugs than I care to admit. And I said drugs themselves are cheap , heroine and meth can be had for very short money , I said nothing about funding a habit
yes because legal drugs are cheap , every try and buy prescription drugs without insurance?
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NarcissisticDeity is just being deliberately ignorant because he feels butthurt over my belief in gun control. At least I hope he is being deliberately ignorant. The more I deal with NarcissisticDeity, the more I suspect he is a poorly educated pimple faced teenager raised in a strict fundamentalist Religious family with extreme black and white views.
Oh boy lol you're the one who is now mentioning me in other threads , and projecting your beliefs on everyone else.
and black & white views? I can't see why anyone would need to own a pit-bull , gun or practice Islam lol hypocrite much? those are your words and ad hominem attacks? last refuge of the intellectually bankrupt , glad you're showing you're frustration ;)
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In the south, the pace of life is noticeably slower, yet people still eat fast food, and still are obese.
And the majority of people do not want to take time to cook a meal, always saying that they are busy...busy doing what? Checking email, posting on getbig....
Not really busy. I understand your argument.
But, this vid was done in a time where people didnt have the attitude that they want to do anything that they want, as much as they want, when they want, and however long they want. But, if something happens, it's not their fault, it's someone else's, and why isn't the government doing something about it.
We want to do everything to excess, eating, drinking, snorting, smoking anything...
And what happens if the drugs are legal? A junkie is a junkie whether the drugs are legal or not. So, what happens if the stores are closed which sell the drugs? A junkie will try to break in (they have done that in pharmacies). Or what happens when an all night store runs out? A junkie will throw a fit, and possibly rob the place for money, to go to another "store" to get the place. And what if the junkie has no funds? Well, they still will steal, rob, or pawn off stuff (mainly from people they stole stuff from) to support the habit.
And then what about the increased DUIs of driving while under the influence of drugs? Or workplace productivity? A true junkie can do jack without doing a hit every few hours or even a half an hour?
Too many things to consider, once you open that Pandora's Box.
You do realise that alcohol is a drug and there are plenty of alcohol addicts. There is no Pandora box to open, decriminalisation of drugs has been here for a long time, it's just that the Government has been selective about what drugs to legalise. Do alcoholics break into the liquor store to get a bottle of alcohol. Probably, but it would be rare. Legalising drugs would be a tremendous boost to the economy. I have known many addicts that are very productive, and the majority of issues say a heroin user has is because of poor habits, using dirty needles, poor hygiene and dietary habits and only having access to poor quality drugs. Heroin itself in a purer form isn't that bad for you. it's the lifestyle that kills them, the social stigma and being labelled an outcast.
There is nothing to suggest that a heroin addict can not be a productive worker, I have known a few. Take away a smokers nicotine or vary the frequency with which they can smoke combined with bouts of forced abstinence and you will create an unstable individual. The only reason somebody would want drugs to remain illegal is a moral objection to this type of behaviour. Decriminalisation hasn't helped the world or it's people, it has done irreversible harm, not only to the users but to our societies, with large drug cartels using extreme violence to creating a lower class human being segregating them from society. It really has been one of the greatest crimes against humanity the world has ever seen.
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Oh boy lol you're the one who is now mentioning me in other threads , and projecting your beliefs on everyone else.
and black & white views? I can't see why anyone would need to own a pit-bull , gun or practice Islam lol hypocrite much? those are your words and ad hominem attacks? last refuge of the intellectually bankrupt , glad you're showing you're frustration ;)
I can't see a need to own a pitbull or a gun. Human needs are few. Pitbull ownership and Guns last time I checked weren't one of them but the universal human right to safety and security is one of them. Hence the reason the added this in The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, for some reason, I didn't see gun ownership or pitbulls mentioned in there. Oh that's right, their selfish indulgences based on want, not need.
Perhaps we need to draw up a charter for The Universal Declaration of Human Wants for Narcissists and sociopaths and include Pitbulls and guns.
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I can't see a need to own a pitbull or a gun. Human needs are few. Pitbull ownership and Guns last time I checked weren't one of them but the universal human right to safety and security is one of them. Hence the reason the added this in The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, for some reason, I didn't see gun ownership or pitbulls mentioned in there. Oh that's right, their selfish indulgences based on want, not need.
Perhaps we need to draw up a charter for The Universal Declaration of Human Wants for Narcissists and sociopaths and include Pitbulls and guns.
I can't see a need to own a pitbull or a gun.
which is black & white and yet you bitch about others who you claim have the same mentality , you're a hypocrite and not a very bright one.
run along and stick to the topic hypocrite , keep preaching the ' good word '
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You do realise that alcohol is a drug and there are plenty of alcohol addicts. There is no Pandora box to open, decriminalisation of drugs has been here for a long time, it's just that the Government has been selective about what drugs to legalise. Do alcoholics break into the liquor store to get a bottle of alcohol. Probably, but it would be rare. Legalising drugs would be a tremendous boost to the economy. I have known many addicts that are very productive, and the majority of issues say a heroin user has is because of poor habits, using dirty needles, poor hygiene and dietary habits and only having access to poor quality drugs. Heroin itself in a purer form isn't that bad for you. it's the lifestyle that kills them, the social stigma and being labelled an outcast.
There is nothing to suggest that a heroin addict can not be a productive worker, I have know a few. Take away a smokers nicotine or vary the frequency with which they can smoke combined with bouts of forced abstinence and you will create an unstable individual. The only reason somebody would want drugs to remain illegal is a moral objection to this type of behaviour. Decriminalisation hasn't helped the world or it's people, it has done irreversible harm, not only to the users but to our societies, with large drug cartels using extreme violence to creating a lower class human being segregating them from society. It really has been one of the greatest crimes against humanity the world has ever seen.
Again, you don't understand the AMERICAN WAY of doing things and the AMERICAN culture of excess. I see drunks, druggies on a nightly basis, and not when they are cleaned up either.
Ever tried talking to someone high on heroin? You can't because they fall out like they are sleep, and they cannot function. Or ever tried dealing with someone hopped up on PCP? The smell is a bad chemical smell, and their eyes are watery, and the contact from them makes your eyes watery. And they are trying to take their clothes off because they are constantly "hot". Plus, Mace does nothing to them, so there is another effect when LE must deal with them.
JUNKIES cannot function period.
Alcohol is a different drug, but it has ruined families. And many times in domestic violence issues, one or both of the parties is a drunk or was drinking...but that is different story.
My main point is the hard drugs, shouldn't be legalized, the same reason why a normal citizen should not have nuclear weapons (besides the cost)---because they are too dangerous.
When someone breaks into your house, and steals your power tools, or a vacuum, or your girlfriend's jewelry, or your frozen steals, and you find out that they were doing a controlled legal drug like Oxy, then you may change your mind.
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I have TWO older brother who are addicts , one is dead because of his addictions , the other one is one his way out. Trust me I know more about addicts and drugs than I care to admit. And I said drugs themselves are cheap , heroine and meth can be had for very short money , I said nothing about funding a habit
yes because legal drugs are cheap , every try and buy prescription drugs without insurance?
yes i have actually, still cheaper than most recreational drugs unless you're talking about cancer meds or something serious like that. hell antibiotics even are cheap.
you keep responding with vague, undescriptive statements like "they're cheap". how are they cheap? and you keep defending with "hurr i wasn't talking about a habit". well, if your brother was an addict, then clearly he used the drugs on a regular basis, which IS a habit? you're being pretty contradictory.
again, what are you defining as "cheap"? some miniscule amount purchased on one particular occasion? yeah, i can buy a gram of weed for $20 bucks and call it cheap, but when you're going through a quarter a week, it's not cheap. hell i can buy a $10 bag of regs and stretch it out for a while, but it's low quality shit. i can go buy a 40oz from the gas station for 2 bucks and say "oh alcohol is cheap", but being an alcoholic isn't cheap. especially if you're drinking top shelf.
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which is black & white and yet you bitch about others who you claim have the same mentality , you're a hypocrite and not a very bright one.
run along and stick to the topic hypocrite , keep preaching the ' good word '
Yeah, I also believe we should have rape and murder laws. That's pretty black and white. The problem I have with black and white thinking is when it harms innocent people. If you were advocating for the right to rape or murder or to fuck children, I would also oppose that. If you were arguing for the right to impale yourself on a 14 inch dildo, I would have no problem with that. Once again, it all comes down to how your wants and desires affect other people. You know about other people right, it's those other life forms that look similar to you and that you have merely objectified as being objects to use and manipulate for your own ends.
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yes i have actually, still cheaper than most recreational drugs unless you're talking about cancer meds or something serious like that. hell antibiotics even are cheap.
you keep responding with vague, undescriptive statements like "they're cheap". how are they cheap? and you keep defending with "hurr i wasn't talking about a habit". well, if your brother was an addict, then clearly he used the drugs on a regular basis, which IS a habit? you're being pretty contradictory.
again, what are you defining as "cheap"? some miniscule amount purchased on one particular occasion? yeah, i can buy a gram of weed for $20 bucks and call it cheap, but when you're going through a quarter a week, it's not cheap. hell i can buy a $10 bag of regs and stretch it out for a while, but it's low quality shit. i can go buy a 40oz from the gas station for 2 bucks and say "oh alcohol is cheap", but being an alcoholic isn't cheap. especially if you're drinking top shelf.
yes i have actually, still cheaper than most recreational drugs unless you're talking about cancer meds or something serious like that. hell antibiotics even are cheap.
Are you in the U.S. ? all prescription medication is through the roof with insurance.
you keep responding with vague, undescriptive statements like "they're cheap". how are they cheap? and you keep defending with "hurr i wasn't talking about a habit". well, if your brother was an addict, then clearly he used the drugs on a regular basis, which IS a habit? you're being pretty contradictory.
Actually I'm not the drugs themselves are cheap , heroine & meth can be had for $10 bucks , I'm not talking about quality & purity or habits just the drugs themselves , the Government isn't going to make either of them cheaper , perhaps more safe but not cheaper , anything the Government touches the prices skyrocket
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Again, you don't understand the AMERICAN WAY of doing things and the AMERICAN culture of excess. I see drunks, druggies on a nightly basis, and not when they are cleaned up either.
Ever tried talking to someone high on heroin? You can't because they fall out like they are sleep, and they cannot function. Or ever tried dealing with someone hopped up on PCP? The smell is a bad chemical smell, and their eyes are watery, and the contact from them makes your eyes watery. And they are trying to take their clothes off because they are constantly "hot". Plus, Mace does nothing to them, so there is another effect when LE must deal with them.
JUNKIES cannot function period.
Alcohol is a different drug, but it has ruined families. And many times in domestic violence issues, one or both of the parties is a drunk or was drinking...but that is different story.
My main point is the hard drugs, shouldn't be legalized, the same reason why a normal citizen should not have nuclear weapons (besides the cost)---because they are too dangerous.
When someone breaks into your house, and steals your power tools, or a vacuum, or your girlfriend's jewelry, or your frozen steals, and you find out that they were doing a controlled legal drug like Oxy, then you may change your mind.
Again, you don't understand the AMERICAN WAY of doing things and the AMERICAN culture of excess. I see drunks, druggies on a nightly basis, and not when they are cleaned up either.
He has no experience what so ever and ironic he thinks he knows what's best for a group pf people halfway across the planet , very limited capacity this one
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prison is a very lucrative business and there are some high up people with a vested interest in keeping the prison population up. that is immoral and just wrong.
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Again, you don't understand the AMERICAN WAY of doing things and the AMERICAN culture of excess. I see drunks, druggies on a nightly basis, and not when they are cleaned up either.
Ever tried talking to someone high on heroin? You can't because they fall out like they are sleep, and they cannot function. Or ever tried dealing with someone hopped up on PCP? The smell is a bad chemical smell, and their eyes are watery, and the contact from them makes your eyes watery. And they are trying to take their clothes off because they are constantly "hot". Plus, Mace does nothing to them, so there is another effect when LE must deal with them.
JUNKIES cannot function period.
Alcohol is a different drug, but it has ruined families. And many times in domestic violence issues, one or both of the parties is a drunk or was drinking...but that is different story.
My main point is the hard drugs, shouldn't be legalized, the same reason why a normal citizen should not have nuclear weapons (besides the cost)---because they are too dangerous.
When someone breaks into your house, and steals your power tools, or a vacuum, or your girlfriend's jewelry, or your frozen steals, and you find out that they were doing a controlled legal drug like Oxy, then you may change your mind.
LOL, you're so close-minded it's not even funny. lots of drugs are legal in the netherlands and they don't have any of these issues. your argument of "oh it's too dangerous, people can't handle it" is a jackbooted, statist thug mentality. it's the kind of mentality that will eventually spill over to other things. eventually they'll come after your guns too, oh look at sandy hook look at aurora, no one needs high capacity magazines, no one needs ar-15's no one needs glocks, no one needs "sniper rifles", no one needs a crossbow, etc etc etc. then cars too, oh, no one needs a 1200 hp sports car, no one needs a car that can go over 80mph period, look at all the deaths car accidents cause.
you don't just conveniently draw the line and take away peoples' freedom wherever your "morals" dictate. you take the good with the bad, or you take the statist nanny government approach and let uncle sam rule your life. the cost/benefit issue isn't even part of the argument. the argument is freedom vs oppression.
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Again, you don't understand the AMERICAN WAY of doing things and the AMERICAN culture of excess. I see drunks, druggies on a nightly basis, and not when they are cleaned up either.
Ever tried talking to someone high on heroin? You can't because they fall out like they are sleep, and they cannot function. Or ever tried dealing with someone hopped up on PCP? The smell is a bad chemical smell, and their eyes are watery, and the contact from them makes your eyes watery. And they are trying to take their clothes off because they are constantly "hot". Plus, Mace does nothing to them, so there is another effect when LE must deal with them.
JUNKIES cannot function period.
Alcohol is a different drug, but it has ruined families. And many times in domestic violence issues, one or both of the parties is a drunk or was drinking...but that is different story.
My main point is the hard drugs, shouldn't be legalized, the same reason why a normal citizen should not have nuclear weapons (besides the cost)---because they are too dangerous.
When someone breaks into your house, and steals your power tools, or a vacuum, or your girlfriend's jewelry, or your frozen steals, and you find out that they were doing a controlled legal drug like Oxy, then you may change your mind.
Americans aren't unique, you really need to get over yourselves. And, I have actually had my house burgled twice by junkies. This is just one more reason I would prefer to see drugs legalised, no Cigarette smoker or alcoholic ever broke into my house to fund their habit, that's because regulation has made their drug of choice cheap. And yes I have dealt with many addicts, I actually have a diploma in alcohol and other drugs and worked in the field for a while. And the people I think are most difficult to deal with are drunks.
And comparing nuclear weapons to drugs is absurd, the reason people can't own nuclear weapons is becuase of the actuarial risk they pose to others. Most addicts only pose a risk to themselves. And have you actually tried speed, heroin, LSD, marijuana or any other illegal substances. You seem to have a very narrow vision of what a drug addict is and what these drugs do. I have known many functional addicts who can outwork and outperform me. I worked in the trucking industry for years and there are a lot of addict truck drivers, I would go as far as to say the whole trucking industry is run on amphetamines. And many of these men worked harder and longer than those who didn't take amphetamines. Some burned out, but so did some of the non-addicts. There is a reason these types of drugs are used during wartime.
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Are you in the U.S. ? all prescription medication is through the roof with insurance.
Actually I'm not the drugs themselves are cheap , heroine & meth can be had for $10 bucks , I'm not talking about quality & purity or habits just the drugs themselves , the Government isn't going to make either of them cheaper , perhaps more safe but not cheaper , anything the Government touches the prices skyrocket
not the GOVERNMENT, idiot. SUPPLY AND FUCKING DEMAND. do you realize that during the prohibition, alcohol prices shot up as much as 700%? when the SUPPLY dwindles and DEMAND remains the same, prices go UP. did you even go to college?
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not the GOVERNMENT, idiot. SUPPLY AND FUCKING DEMAND. do you realize that during the prohibition, alcohol prices shot up as much as 700%? when the SUPPLY dwindles and DEMAND remains the same, prices go UP. did you even go to college?
Idiot? Awwwwwww getting frustrated ? ;D didn't I just tell you heroine and meth are CHEAP and they are prohibited? if you legalize them they wont get any cheaper get it? drugs are cheap no one said anything about drug habits
And we're not talking about the Volstead act of the twenties , we're talking about readily available cheap drugs in the U.S. in the 21st Century , both heroine and meth and illegal yet the prices are insanely low why? competition
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Idiot? Awwwwwww getting frustrated ? ;D didn't I just tell you heroine and meth are CHEAP and they are prohibited? if you legalize them they wont get any cheaper get it? drugs are cheap no one said anything about drug habits
And we're not talking about the Volstead act of the twenties , we're talking about readily available cheap drugs in the U.S. in the 21st Century , both heroine and meth and illegal yet the prices are insanely low why? competition
just because some anonymous dude on the internet told me a vague statement doesn't mean it's a fact, especially when my own personal experience dictates otherwise. are you really so arrogant that you think you checkmated my argument by stating some vague anecdotal statement? i dont even know how to respond to that.
and for the record dozens of new unscheduled designer drugs hit the market on a daily basis, and it takes the government years in most cases to identify and ban them, yet society somehow manages to not disintegrate into chaos and anarchy. jwh-018 was around for like 8 years before government banned it. hell cp-47,497 was around for decades, and yet people didn't smash windows and loot the streets to fund their synthetic cannabinoid habits. hell i can go to my local CVS right this minute and buy a whole bottle of off-brand cough syrup, pure DXM, not even polystirex or the acetaminophen mix, and get fucked up on it with zero negative side effects to myself, anyone can, but most people don't. people don't suddenly decided to get fucked up on some new drug just because it became legal. it doesn't work that way. it just doesn't. i'm sorry but you're wrong, on many levels.
i'm going drinking with my buddy now, peace
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just because some anonymous dude on the internet told me a vague statement doesn't mean it's a fact, especially when my own personal experience dictates otherwise. are you really so arrogant that you think you checkmated my argument by stating some vague anecdotal statement? i dont even know how to respond to that.
and for the record dozens of new unscheduled designer drugs hit the market on a daily basis, and it takes the government years in most cases to identify and ban them, yet society somehow manages to not disintegrate into chaos and anarchy. jwh-018 was around for like 8 years before government banned it. hell cp-47,497 was around for decades, and yet people didn't smash windows and loot the streets to fund their synthetic cannabinoid habits. hell i can go to my local CVS right this minute and buy a whole bottle of off-brand cough syrup, pure DXM, not even polystirex or the acetaminophen mix, and get fucked up on it with zero negative side effects to myself, anyone can, but most people don't. people don't suddenly decided to get fucked up on some new drug just because it became legal. it doesn't work that way. it just doesn't. i'm sorry but you're wrong, on many levels.
i'm going drinking with my buddy now, peace
just because some anonymous dude on the internet told me a vague statement doesn't mean it's a fact, especially when my own personal experience dictates otherwise. are you really so arrogant that you think you checkmated my argument by stating some vague anecdotal statement? i dont even know how to respond to that.
Ironic yet you're trying to pass off your anecdotal evidence as fact as well , yet it's wrong when I do it? ::)
and for the record dozens of new unscheduled designer drugs hit the market on a daily basis, and it takes the government years in most cases to identify and ban them, yet society somehow manages to not disintegrate into chaos and anarchy. jwh-018 was around for like 8 years before government banned it. hell cp-47,497 was around for decades, and yet people didn't smash windows and loot the streets to fund their synthetic cannabinoid habits. hell i can go to my local CVS right this minute and buy a whole bottle of off-brand cough syrup, pure DXM, not even polystirex or the acetaminophen mix, and get fucked up on it with zero negative side effects to myself, anyone can, but most people don't. people don't suddenly decided to get fucked up on some new drug just because it became legal. it doesn't work that way. it just doesn't. i'm sorry but you're wrong, on many levels.
This has what to do with what? ???
i'm going drinking with my buddy now, peace
Sounds like you already started lol
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LOL, you're so close-minded it's not even funny. lots of drugs are legal in the netherlands and they don't have any of these issues. your argument of "oh it's too dangerous, people can't handle it" is a jackbooted, statist thug mentality. it's the kind of mentality that will eventually spill over to other things. eventually they'll come after your guns too, oh look at sandy hook look at aurora, no one needs high capacity magazines, no one needs ar-15's no one needs glocks, no one needs "sniper rifles", no one needs a crossbow, etc etc etc. then cars too, oh, no one needs a 1200 hp sports car, no one needs a car that can go over 80mph period, look at all the deaths car accidents cause.
you don't just conveniently draw the line and take away peoples' freedom wherever your "morals" dictate. you take the good with the bad, or you take the statist nanny government approach and let uncle sam rule your life. the cost/benefit issue isn't even part of the argument. the argument is freedom vs oppression.
and the Netherlands do have a drug problem, and a suicide problem as well...
Again, there is a cultural difference...
Americans believe that they have to the freedom to do what they want to do, and to hell with anybody who says differently. Once you understand that, then you will understand what I'm talking about. Until then, it's like talking to a brick wall.
I'm not closed minded, because I deal with this sort of stuff everyday. I see drug dealers, drug users,
I see the thefts, the crimes that are perpetrated...