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he seemed to believe in strict reps and no need for big weights
correct?
any more insights we can draw from this beautiful chocolate man
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he did situps for cardio
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he did situps for cardio
and subsequently needed hip replacement
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Serge was a lier. Don belive a word he said. I talked to him irl one time and i lolled after
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Serge was a lier. Don belive a word he said. I talked to him irl one time and i lolled after
How so? Explain.
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correct, he liked to do many sets.
looked good well into his old age.
one of my favorite bb:ers. never had a massive back to be honest but he looked good year round like a real bodybuilder.
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he seemed to believe in strict reps and no need for big weights
correct?
any more insights we can draw from this beautiful chocolate man
A couple.
He looked OK in a front double biceps. He had a good side-chest pose. He looked amazing, especially from the waist up, when he stood relaxed and at a slight angle.
Apart from that, I honestly don't see the appeal. His legs weren't that great, his back wasn't too good, and I thought he was totally delusional to even stand next to a prime Arnold onstage. I regard him as the Milos Sarcev of the 1970s, only that's not being fair to Mishko. Serge had great pecs and abs. Mishko had outstanding quads, abs, pecs and, in spite of his poor back development, he actually had a very good front lat spread.
Light pumping shit is fine for someone who's already pretty big, but it'll never get 99.9999% of bodybuilders to Serge's level. And as I said, he lacked in many areas, so maybe all those sets with the 20 lb. dumbell curls and such weren't all they're cracked up to be?
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i noticed some teenage pics of sergey and his pecs were already phenomenal there
so basically he is all pecs (all genetics) with a pleasing twisting relaxed pose
ok
next
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Light pumping shit is fine for someone who's already pretty big, but it'll never get 99.9999% of bodybuilders to Serge's level. And as I said, he lacked in many areas, so maybe all those sets with the 20 lb. dumbell curls and such weren't all they're cracked up to be?
agreed, he most likely built his size with basic heavy training and then maintained it with the light pumping work
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And as I said, he lacked in many areas, so maybe all those sets with the 20 lb. dumbell curls and such weren't all they're cracked up to be?
Im sure the bodybuilding world will remember you long after the memories of Serge Nubret have long since faded. ::)
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Genetically gifted, juicing, lots of reps and sets - he was basically emulating the life of a balloon in a horse meat restaurant.
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agreed, he most likely built his size with basic heavy training and then maintained it with the light pumping work
No he didn't.
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No he didn't.
so how'd he do it then?
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so how'd he do it then?
just a blessed chocolate man on PED pumping pink dumbbells
basically
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so how'd he do it then?
Steroids and genetics, like every extremely muscular person on earth.
LOL @ people that think there is a best way to train.
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A couple.
He looked OK in a front double biceps. He had a good side-chest pose. He looked amazing, especially from the waist up, when he stood relaxed and at a slight angle.
Apart from that, I honestly don't see the appeal. His legs weren't that great, his back wasn't too good, and I thought he was totally delusional to even stand next to a prime Arnold onstage. I regard him as the Milos Sarcev of the 1970s, only that's not being fair to Mishko. Serge had great pecs and abs. Mishko had outstanding quads, abs, pecs and, in spite of his poor back development, he actually had a very good front lat spread.
Light pumping shit is fine for someone who's already pretty big, but it'll never get 99.9999% of bodybuilders to Serge's level. And as I said, he lacked in many areas, so maybe all those sets with the 20 lb. dumbell curls and such weren't all they're cracked up to be?
lacked in many areas, please...dude was aesthetics personafied
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/3/0/3009c-serge_nubret.jpg)
And to the OP, Serge used light weight? Is this light weight?
(http://www.strength-oldschool.com/uploads/1308160812/gallery_496_4_8379.jpg)
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;)
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;)
looks kinda light ::) ::) ::) ::)
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looks kinda light ::) ::) ::) ::)
for paul anderson
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looks kinda light ::) ::) ::) ::)
looks fake imho
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for paul anderson
ask freddie o and prince poole there still around.
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looks fake imho
hard to say guys have been known to fake it for pics for good reason.
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i noticed some teenage pics of sergey and his pecs were already phenomenal there
so basically he is all pecs (all genetics) with a pleasing twisting relaxed pose
ok
next
:D
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-Why, calling him Sergey ?
-He could not win 1975 Apartheid Olympia because he was black !,South African Apartheid financed that contest.
-Real gentleman, turns down offer of only $ 200, to take part in filming "Pumping Iron".
-Real sportsman did not like to be call Uncrowned Mr.Olympia
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he was outstanding. a bodybuilder whose appeal stretched further than the schmoes. much like arnold he transitioned to movies and tv.
to be fair, he didn't have the best front db or back.
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;)
:o
shit, I had no idea..
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lacked in many areas, please...dude was aesthetics personafied
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/3/0/3009c-serge_nubret.jpg)
And to the OP, Serge used light weight? Is this light weight?
(http://www.strength-oldschool.com/uploads/1308160812/gallery_496_4_8379.jpg)
One of the best of all time!
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Yes serge nubret first off was a parabolin junkie and did very high volume of reps with perfect slow form. he lived in the perfect spot to get that negma parabolin in France. Serge Nubret used to come to the states and supply the top pros with negma parabolin..
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All horse meat
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speculation.
if thew guy says he did light training, then itll be that, light training.
doesnt mean it was a pussy training just bc its light.
many getbiger permafatsos think they train heavy, but all theyre hitting is their joints and tendonds.
ppl are very dumb, such a body doesnt just stay there with little bit "pump" training.he trained very hard, harder than you lot, but he done it with light weights.
i hope this helps, its possible to train hard with light weights.
sarcev does the same thing.he does rows for back witrh 40lbs dumbells.of he could swing around the 200s for that, but with zero effect.
one would think that off all places on a bbuilding forum, ppl should have figured out how to train. ::)
and eat.
but theyargue whether layner nwaortern is natty or not, yet hvent seen a gym from inside in their life and their diet is eating hashish-cakes, pizza n oreaos infront of playstation with occasional drinking own semen after having sexwank infront of internet monitor.
this guy was black,on gear, trained all the time,and ate properly,thats why he looked so good.
he didnt look up theroies on diet and jerk off to training videos.
Holy fucking crap.....LOLOL.
Galeniko knocking one into the upper deck.
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Serge was a lier. Don belive a word he said. I talked to him irl one time and i lolled after
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serge nubret is drug addict he was importing drugs in usa from france
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pumping never works forf natty
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How so? Explain.
dont remember everything it was 11 years ago . But he only slept 1hour per night. Ate a couple of kilo meat one time a day and it eas the only thing he ate. Didnt drink any water and other crazy things. Tried to make him look like a superhuman. He lost the 1975 olympia in south africa because he made a regular movie where there was a non porno scene where he made love to a girl. No nude or other stuff but joe weider was afraid that he was going to win the olympia so first he tried do disqualifie serge for doing a pornmovie. And he lost to because joe was a queer and a schmoe and didnt like that he made a scene with a woman. He said lot more to.
But a very nice guy who greeted everyone who talked to him like it was his best friend. Big fucking arms with veins and he was 62. 20inches easy
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For the record it was at a seminar at nogp grand prix so 30 people heard it also and i talked to him before to.
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dont remember everything it was 11 years ago . But he only slept 1hour per night. Ate a couple of kilo meat one time a day and it eas the only thing he ate. Didnt drink any water and other crazy things. Tried to make him look like a superhuman. He lost the 1975 olympia in south africa because he made a regular movie where there was a non porno scene where he made love to a girl. No nude or other stuff but joe weider was afraid that he was going to win the olympia so first he tried do disqualifie serge for doing a pornmovie. And he lost to because joe was a queer and a schmoe and didnt like that he made a scene with a woman. He said lot more to.
But a very nice guy who greeted everyone who talked to him like it was his best friend. Big fucking arms with veins and he was 62. 20inches easy
He lost the 75 Olympia because Arnold crushed him. He can say whatever the fuck he wants.
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I trained on his program natural and gained details, separations and mass all in the same time.
I now do powerlifting but he changed my view on bodybuilding training.
Used to talk to him on bb.com website and he replyed on every question.
That was before he died. As if he knew he was going to go and wanted to pass on the knowelage.
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I trained on his program natural and gained details, separations and mass all in the same time.
I now do powerlifting but he changed my view on bodybuilding training.
Used to talk to him on bb.com website and he replyed on every question.
That was before he died. As if he knew he was going to go and wanted to pass on the knowelage.
u mean u trained for 4 hours every day
each muscle gorup twice a week
30+ sets
that kinda of thing
separation and detail = diet
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Ronnie Coleman's style of training is the best way to train for muscle size because Ronnie had the most biggest body muscles. You can't fault this logic. If he trained like Serge Nubret he would have lost muscle due to inferior training regimen when it comes to building really big massive ebony muscles.
So I suggest everybody train exactly like Ronnie Coleman if you want humongous rippling muscles all over your body.
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dont remember everything it was 11 years ago . But he only slept 1hour per night. Ate a couple of kilo meat one time a day and it eas the only thing he ate. Didnt drink any water and other crazy things. Tried to make him look like a superhuman. He lost the 1975 olympia in south africa because he made a regular movie where there was a non porno scene where he made love to a girl. No nude or other stuff but joe weider was afraid that he was going to win the olympia so first he tried do disqualifie serge for doing a pornmovie. And he lost to because joe was a queer and a schmoe and didnt like that he made a scene with a woman. He said lot more to.
But a very nice guy who greeted everyone who talked to him like it was his best friend. Big fucking arms with veins and he was 62. 20inches easy
Reg Park contest was South African APARTHEID show :P
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This guy exemplifies the art of Bodybuilding...PERIOD... ..Genetics + Quality build... Muscle Maturity built through time..Deep separations and fullness can be credited to Heavy Compound Movements accompanied by high volume sets... said to have trained 2-3 hrs in morning eat non-stop midday in one or two sittings..then get back at it again for another 2-3 hrs at night.... If this was his job outside acting... Doesn't seem like an unrealistic feat>given their limited knowledge in nutrition and training recovery... He might not be as massive... but his density exhibited lb for lb deep fiber quality development.. unlike the current crop of bodybuilders we see today...To say his overall presentation is not impressive only shows how delusion many of us are... quite an unfortunate trend
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Ronnie Coleman's style of training is the best way to train for muscle size because Ronnie had the most biggest body muscles. You can't fault this logic. If he trained like Serge Nubret he would have lost muscle due to inferior training regimen when it comes to building really big massive ebony muscles.
So I suggest everybody train exactly like Ronnie Coleman if you want humongous rippling muscles all over your body.
What about his bloated midsection ;D, results of taking caw's staff, inform yourself & don't believe in Flex mag tales.
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This guy exemplifies the art of Bodybuilding...PERIOD... ..Genetics + Quality build... Muscle Maturity built through time..Deep separations and fullness can be credited to Heavy Compound Movements accompanied by high volume sets... said to have trained 2-3 hrs in morning eat non-stop midday in one or two sittings..then get back at it again for another 2-3 hrs at night.... If this was his job outside acting... Doesn't seem like an unrealistic feat>given their limited knowledge in nutrition and training recovery... He might not be as massive... but his density exhibited lb for lb deep fiber quality development.. unlike the current crop of bodybuilders we see today...To say his overall presentation is not impressive only shows how delusion many of us are... quite an unfortunate trend
YES, how is going on in Ireland ;).
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None of 1975 Olympia competitors a in Sarge Nubrets shape like he was at age of 62 , definitely not Her Scwarz or Sardinias midget.
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He lost the 75 Olympia because Arnold crushed him. He can say whatever the fuck he wants.
Naaa, even though Arnold was bigger it could have gone either way, apparently he was supposed to have come in the shape and size of the pic i posted, but once again there was trickery afoot. ...also Serge was around 44 yrs old...
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surge injected tons of negma parabolin legit pharma parabolin and also moved suitcases full of negma parabolin and other steroids to the usa strictly for the top pros.
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In the 70s Bannout gave an interview and spoke of his short time with Nubret, he said he couldn't believe the quantities of meat he consumed, meat and veg.
He also said the training went on forever, not suited to his style, for him it wouldve been too much
Bannout wasn't knocking him, just relating the story, if anything, the guys then appeared to admire Nubret.
Maybe he wasn't complete, but he had insane genes, his abs looked like the skin was vaccuum packed. His legs while not huge had amazing shape. The delts complemented physique. Very good upper back detail, but lacked development.
In his poses, and standing relaxed, he was what anyone would want to look like. In mandatories, especially with arms away from physique, no so strong. He looked good in FLS, side chest & his take on MM
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Naaa, even though Arnold was bigger it could have gone either way, apparently he was supposed to have come in the shape and size of the pic i posted, but once again there was trickery afoot. ...also Serge was around 44 yrs old...
Keep telling yourself that. In an actual bodybuilding contest you can't just stand there "just so" and look impressive. They make you hit mandatory poses standing next to complete bodybuilders.
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u mean u trained for 4 hours every day
each muscle gorup twice a week
30+ sets
that kinda of thing
separation and detail = diet
I trained 2 to 3 hours 5- 6 days per week.
But even with that frequency and volume i didnt overtrain since the weigth used was light.
After 10 plus years of training and dieting i can for certain say in four years training like that i was most definetly more cut separated, and more quality in my physique.
Maybe a little softer but bigger than doing other systems.
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Serge ate horse meat and trained all day taking naps between bodyparts mostly light weights, high sets and did some porn flicks. But a great physique he had.
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this guy was black,on gear, trained all the time,and ate properly,thats why he looked so good.
he didnt look up theroies on diet and jerk off to training videos.
The guy you thought was Flexington Steele whose physique you (and everyone else) admire, is very similar to Nubret
Black man genes. Long attachments, full bellies, small joints, good frame, thin skin
On a fucking tropical island eating who knows what, with limited equipment and knowledge he looked very good at 16/17
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Keep telling yourself that. In an actual bodybuilding contest you can't just stand there "just so" and look impressive. They make you hit mandatory poses standing next to complete bodybuilders.
Yeah, and he came in second, and it wasn't a distant second, beating out big Lou...Serge was very complete...And, you know, at this contest it wasn't "complete bodybuilders" pural, but one other bodybuilder, singular.
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I'm surprised he was even allowed to travel to Pretoria in 1975 to compete
In 76 he could've beaten Franco, had he competed fair and square
But in 75, no way anyone was gonna unseat King Arnold, it was like the build-up to the 91 Olympia, it sells magazines to pitch Big Louie up against the champ. Against all odds, and all that
Nubret was black. A black man had no rights in apartheid SA. Like a sub-species
Arnold was better
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One of "Body buildings "great ones 8)
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Serge ate horse meat and trained all day taking naps between bodyparts mostly light weights, high sets and did some porn flicks. But a great physique he had.
yeah it was horsemeat he sait he i ate, a couple of kilos in one sitting, nothing more over the day. wich i belive is bullshit.
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lets see your training and pics, you "monster" hahahahaha
"lacked many areas".
compared to what?
you?
hahahaha.
What's your fucking problem? I've always been cool with you, most complimentary. You're acting like a real jackass.
Yeah, Serge did lack many areas, and no, not compared to me :roll: He had a great chest and abs. His arms were weak, his back was weak and his legs were underdeveloped.
Compared to whom? That is a stupid question Galeniko. Who was BEATING Serge in contests?
THAT is your answer.
seriously, lets see your pics, i wanna see whos trashtalking one of the greatest ever.
please please, pics.
He's not one of the greatest ever. Not unless you're talking standing at a slight angle in the front relaxed shot.
and if possible a traing video, you must be strong.haha
Are you just trolling now, or what? Everyone said Serge was strong but chose to lift VERY light weights and pump for hours on end.
if youre "stronger" than him, but not bigger or not not looking as good, id really think his training routine would be superior to yours.
That is idiotic and you should know it. So and so looks better; ergo, his routine is superior. That's child's reasoning. What about genetics? Drugs?
i do my dumbel curls with 20lbs to btw.got me quite ok arms.
Yes, you did, but I bet at some point or another you curled heavier weights.
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yeah it was horsemeat he sait he i ate, a couple of kilos in one sitting, nothing more over the day. wich i belive is bullshit.
of course bb-ers are complete liars
horse meat piece of shit
anybody who eats horse meat is a piece of shit
horse meat is like eating human
how can u eat the meat of that animal
seriously?
how?
fuckling disrespect
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KkOl3eZQlWc/TCtp_sulv0I/AAAAAAAAA9A/09TTRNQn11E/s1600/sorrel-horse.jpg)
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of course bb-ers are complete liars
horse meat piece of shit
anybody who eats horse meat is a piece of shit
horse meat is like eating human
how can u eat the meat of that animal
seriously?
how?
fuckling disrespect
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KkOl3eZQlWc/TCtp_sulv0I/AAAAAAAAA9A/09TTRNQn11E/s1600/sorrel-horse.jpg)
You sound like a pussy bro.
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You sound like a pussy bro.
i would never eat a horse
i am not that disrespectrful
it's worse than eating human meat
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i would never eat a horse
i am not that disrespectrful
it's worse than eating human meat
if there was a catastrophe on earth and all you had to eat was a tbombz steak or a horse which one would you choose?
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if there was a catastrophe on earth and all you had to eat was a tbombz steak or a horse which one would you choose?
Horse
And Tbombz steak only on special occasions
(No homo/cannibal)
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Why is a horse more valuable than a cow?
Simple answer: Transportation.(this applied more so in the olden days)
But there is no inherent value in horses that makes them superior to other common protein sources.
This marine guy is quite the gaping pussy.
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speculation.
if thew guy says he did light training, then itll be that, light training.
Oh the irony. ::)
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The guy you thought was Flexington Steele whose physique you (and everyone else) admire, is very similar to Nubret
Black man genes. Long attachments, full bellies, small joints, good frame, thin skin
On a fucking tropical island eating who knows what, with limited equipment and knowledge he looked very good at 16/17
I'd settle for his 17 yo physique with no hesitation lol
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During late 70's. Ken Wheeler (Makkawys mentor/manager) brought Serge to Toronto weeks before Nabba Universe and he looked RIDICULOUS. Bruce page, an oldtime no bullshit writer for the original Ironman magazine, measured tight tape Nubrets ripped arm pumped at 21 1/4" in front of us. So those twinks on here who say Nubret was small....and remember his waist was ridiculously small like Brian Buchanan...Nubret tons of para and primo acetate, and tons of red meat.. remember he lied on his side with a 25lb dumbell and did rear delt raises for 15-20 reps and then would roll over and do other side and just kept going back and forth for 45 minutes !
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What's your fucking problem? I've always been cool with you, most complimentary. You're acting like a real jackass.
Yeah, Serge did lack many areas, and no, not compared to me :roll: He had a great chest and abs. His arms were weak, his back was weak and his legs were underdeveloped.
Compared to whom? That is a stupid question Galeniko. Who was BEATING Serge in contests?
THAT is your answer.
He's not one of the greatest ever. Not unless you're talking standing at a slight angle in the front relaxed shot.
Are you just trolling now, or what? Everyone said Serge was strong but chose to lift VERY light weights and pump for hours on end.
That is idiotic and you should know it. So and so looks better; ergo, his routine is superior. That's child's reasoning. What about genetics? Drugs?
Yes, you did, but I bet at some point or another you curled heavier weights.
His arms were good, his back was decent (had great traps too) and his, they were about the standard for back then. Everybody had "undersized" legs back then.
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During late 70's. Ken Wheeler (Makkawys mentor/manager) brought Serge to Toronto weeks before Nabba Universe and he looked RIDICULOUS. Bruce page, an oldtime no bullshit writer for the original Ironman magazine, measured tight tape Nubrets ripped arm pumped at 21 1/4" in front of us. So those twinks on here who say Nubret was small....and remember his waist was ridiculously small like Brian Buchanan...Nubret tons of para and primo acetate, and tons of red meat.. remember he lied on his side with a 25lb dumbell and did rear delt raises for 15-20 reps and then would roll over and do other side and just kept going back and forth for 45 minutes !
21" arms with those small joints and thin vascular skin, mustve been quite a sight to behold in person!
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During late 70's. Ken Wheeler (Makkawys mentor/manager) brought Serge to Toronto weeks before Nabba Universe and he looked RIDICULOUS. Bruce page, an oldtime no bullshit writer for the original Ironman magazine, measured tight tape Nubrets ripped arm pumped at 21 1/4" in front of us. So those twinks on here who say Nubret was small....and remember his waist was ridiculously small like Brian Buchanan...Nubret tons of para and primo acetate, and tons of red meat.. remember he lied on his side with a 25lb dumbell and did rear delt raises for 15-20 reps and then would roll over and do other side and just kept going back and forth for 45 minutes !
cool story. I belive they where that big then. When i met him at 62 hears old the where big as fuck, easy 20 inches with veins
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I've got a DVD signed by Serge.
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Serge did 6 sets of 12 on most exercises and usually more. He took about 30 to 60 seconds rest between sets. He posted a lot of Ironage and answered just about every question about his training. He said he was capable of benching 450 but used around 185 to 225 when training. He said more than once he never built his size with low reps. Horse meat is very low in fat and I guess pretty easy to get in France or used to be. He also ate beans and rice. He ate once a day and during his training he munched on some simple sugars when he felt like he needed them.
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Serge Wasatch his biggest and best using his " pump" system.. Now in order to be fair we must also say that serge was using alot of parabolan at this time also.. For those who want to continue to believe that serge was natural ( yes they are still out there) and or he did use much I can tell ya from those I know in that time serge used lots and lots of para...
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As I understand a sad ending to his life, his kids put him a hospital of some sort mental or physical not sure then really never came back to see him just what I read not sure if it's true or not. Someone had a thread on it here once. A outstanding bodybuilder he was I did not agree with his methods but he had the genes anyway he would of trained would of worked.
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For a bodybuilder with tiny wrists, he built a decent set of arms.
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He posted on here didn't he?
Can't find the thread though...
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=109977.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=109977.0)
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serge was a pretty boy ////training with light weights -----
he ghad a rich fmaily and basically was pumping the whole day
there are not secrets
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His arms were good, his back was decent (had great traps too) and his, they were about the standard for back then. Everybody had "undersized" legs back then.
Points taken.
I'm still not blown away by his arms. They DID look enormous hanging by his side, but didn't have the height and "pop" in a front double-biceps that many 70s dudes had (Arnold, Sergio, Bill Grant, Kal Szkalak, etc., etc.).
And I certainly don't contend that guys in that decade usually had great wheels, but there were a good many bodybuilders with decent thigh development. Arnold at his peak had good legs -- well, quads and calves. Sergio had some wheels on him. Mentzer, Casey, Roy Callendar and Ken Waller, too.
Perhaps I overstated my case, but I never said I looked better or that his training was worthless. Nonetheless, my points stand. If his delts and arms were 7 or 8 out of 10, his pecs and abs were 10/10. Just as I said, that = lack of balance. Why a seemingly reasonable chap, like Galeniko, with whom I've always been decent and complimentary, finds that so objectionable ... ? :-\
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Yes serge nubret first off was a parabolin junkie and did very high volume of reps with perfect slow form. he lived in the perfect spot to get that negma parabolin in France. Serge Nubret used to come to the states and supply the top pros with negma parabolin..
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I heard of this too, in the OLD Musclemag issues!!! He supposedly came regularly to Southern California, made lots of $$ but that STUFF was literally G O L D...
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AMAZING dude...
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and what does that say about the current tren thats around there and every other gymrat uses more alleged mgs than the pros back then,yet nobody looks like serge?
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They say most is UGL and under-dosed, sadly.
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God damn it!
Posting pics like that is killing my argument. Shhhh! :)
How about this: can we agree that Serge is a lot like Mishko in that...
*both men look outstanding relaxed, with great abs and pecs (and in Milos' case, add quad size and sweep to the mix)
*both have a few outstanding poses. Miskho's front lat spread was very, very good. Both men had great side-chests. And pretty much any way they chose to show off their abs was impressive.
*those factors, particularly just looking good standing there, have a kind of "wow" factor that makes most people overlook their weaknesses; e.g., Milos' thin back, or how Serge's arms don't look as overwhelming in a front biceps pose than they do hanging at his sides.
Maybe Serge is one of the greatest ever. I don't put him in my own top 20, but BBing is subjective; some of us value certain criteria over others. But Galeniko, my point -- more or less, anyway -- is that, aesthetically-pleasing and (maybe ironically) as strong-looking as Serge was, technically speaking, he was unbalanced. Otherwise, we'd be crowing about his legs, lats and such as much as we talk about how good his pecs or midsection were.
Does that make more sense?
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFrMfY11PKE
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Serge did 6 sets of 12 on most exercises and usually more. He took about 30 to 60 seconds rest between sets. He posted a lot of Ironage and answered just about every question about his training. He said he was capable of benching 450 but used around 185 to 225 when training. He said more than once he never built his size with low reps. Horse meat is very low in fat and I guess pretty easy to get in France or used to be. He also ate beans and rice. He ate once a day and during his training he munched on some simple sugars when he felt like he needed them.
pretty much what i heard.
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God damn it!
Posting pics like that is killing my argument. Shhhh! :)
How about this: can we agree that Serge is a lot like Mishko in that...
*both men look outstanding relaxed, with great abs and pecs (and in Milos' case, add quad size and sweep to the mix)
*both have a few outstanding poses. Miskho's front lat spread was very, very good. Both men had great side-chests. And pretty much any way they chose to show off their abs was impressive.
*those factors, particularly just looking good standing there, have a kind of "wow" factor that makes most people overlook their weaknesses; e.g., Milos' thin back, or how Serge's arms don't look as overwhelming in a front biceps pose than they do hanging at his sides.
Maybe Serge is one of the greatest ever. I don't put him in my own top 20, but BBing is subjective; some of us value certain criteria over others. But Galeniko, my point -- more or less, anyway -- is that, aesthetically-pleasing and (maybe ironically) as strong-looking as Serge was, technically speaking, he was unbalanced. Otherwise, we'd be crowing about his legs, lats and such as much as we talk about how good his pecs or midsection were.
Does that make more sense?
I think your points are valid. Nubret was an elite professional and looked phenomenal in a lot of poses. But he faded when he put his arms away from his body; especially when compared to Arnold and Sergio (his main competition, and both of whom exploded in those kinds of poses).
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i would never eat a horse
i am not that disrespectrful
it's worse than eating human meat
Come to Australia, I'll take U wild horse hunting , useless pests here.Meat is very tasty ;)
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and what does that say about the current tren thats around there and every other gymrat uses more alleged mgs than the pros back then,yet nobody looks like serge?
Yes, his posing at UBBA Mr.Australia in Sydney was superb.
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I think your points are valid. Nubret was an elite professional and looked phenomenal in a lot of poses. But he faded when he put his arms away from his body; especially when compared to Arnold and Sergio (his main competition, and both of whom exploded in those kinds of poses).
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High praise from the greatest Übermensch himself :) Thank you, Kahn.
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Yes, his posing at UBBA Mr.Australia in Sydney was superb.
people dont know how to train or are just too lazy and fake to put in effort.
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High praise from the greatest Übermensch himself :) Thank you, Kahn.
Haha! You're no slouch, either, DCM!
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people dont know how to train or are just too lazy and fake to put in effort.
Yes, mostly lazy I would just say Mr.Nubret was phenomenal physique .
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I'm going to try Mr.Ebony's high volume, 2hr marathon type training. Will give it a good 3months with gear and see what results i get.
Lately i haven't been breaking a serious sweat till maybe 40min in the workout.
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I'm going to try Mr.Ebony's high volume, 2hr marathon type training. Will give it a good 3months with gear and see what results i get.
Lately i haven't been breaking a serious sweat till maybe 40min in the workout.
ENJOY WAISTING YOUR TIME
TO GET A PUMP
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ENJOY WAISTING YOUR TIME
TO GET A PUMP
I'll pump your mom full of bloody semen, punk.
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I'll pump your mom full of bloody semen, punk.
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omg u are so bad at this
just so bad
enjoy pumping
faggit
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Surge Nubret had a killer waistline and had veins shooting through his midsection. Surges midsection was way better then arnolds. Serge might of ndone some heavy training but when it got close to competition surge did so many sets it would make most people puke. Surge used very modest weight and just used very strict form for numerous reps and did numerous sets, like I said enough to make most people puke. If you watched the guy train you might puke just watching him do all those reps.Did it pay off? well he did not make very much bodybuilding but he did make some films and et to do some sexy scened and he got payed. he also sold alot of steroids so he did not do to bad for himself. You also have to realize not just training built that physique he got alot of help from that negma parabolin and other steroids. he used deca,Test,alot of negma parabolin wich was super potent back then plus he stuck a good diet. Surge never had a chance to be Mr.O but he accomplished alot with or without a sandow
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I'll pump your mom full of bloody semen, punk.
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kool but wtf lol.. ???
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powerlifted 2 years ago
Yep, its true, for the most part, surge and i use to do situps for hours non stop, he did 1600 of them one time and made his ass raw from it, he dieted very hard, was always hungry, we use to use izameride, a really clean meth, thyroid, and about 3 different anabolics, triacana, some of his stories about what he used and the amounts he used them in freaked me out, and i told him wow its a wonder youre alive, he just giggled, he was very committed and serious
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powerlifted 2 years ago
Yep, its true, for the most part, surge and i use to do situps for hours non stop, he did 1600 of them one time and made his ass raw from it, he dieted very hard, was always hungry, we use to use izameride, a really clean meth, thyroid, and about 3 different anabolics, triacana, some of his stories about what he used and the amounts he used them in freaked me out, and i told him wow its a wonder youre alive, he just giggled, he was very committed and serious
Where's that from?
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I tried high volume light weight training once.
I got small like fuck.
I don't give a damn what anyone else thinks. I am powerlifter so I always do every rep with good ROM and technique. When I get stronger I get bigger at the same time. No matter the diet, gear, light weights never did anything to me. I don't have to train my triceps to make it grow. When my bench increases triceps and chest grows accordingly.
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I tried high volume light weight training once.
I got small like fuck.
I was at my biggest doing higher reps. Legs 20 or more upper round 12 to 15.
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I was at my biggest doing higher reps. Legs 20 or more upper round 12 to 15.
High reps, yeah. I use them sometimes. But always with relatively heavy weight and not many sets, 1-2. I periodise my rep ranges in order to increase my strength and muscle size, like every powerlifter.
After going down to like 3 reps each set increasing the weight each training I follow with routine when I start with say, 10 reps for given amount of weight and add 2 reps each workout. Same philosophy really.
But 10x10 and things like that never really worked for me.
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his old training partner
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Training partners tend to lie. Truth is, there's nothing special about Nubret's muscle size. There were hundreds of bodybuilders with bigger muscles than him.
He was one of best in history due to his aesthetics which had nothing to do with his training or diet.
His longevity is also remarkable. He was in shape till his death.
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his old training partner
Interesting I know he liked para and a short acting deca if I remember correctly.
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like Mentzer used to say "so if a muscle doesn't get bigger from getting stronger then how does it get bigger? by getting weaker?" lol
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like Mentzer used to say "so if a muscle doesn't get bigger from getting stronger then how does it get bigger? by getting weaker?" lol
nice one
by getting stimulated with 2.5 of deca which was mikey's maximal dose a week
all those
trianing methods - german shit, 10x2030, gironda, dorian one set bulldoog crap,,,, mentzer's one set a year FAIL
and still fail
and will do so forever
serger nubret had good structure AND RETARTED RESPONSE AND RESILIENCE TO DRUGS
he was juiced to grill until his death LIKE GH15 ,,,,Nasser
u can;t learn anything from professiona lbodybuilders
i just don't understand how can u live your life like that - loaded with hormones and telling other that you just do sit-ups all day long
lies are terrible and never ever end well.
never
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nice one
by getting stimulated with 2.5 of deca which was mikey's maximal dose a week
all those
trianing methods - german shit, 10x2030, gironda, dorian one set bulldoog crap,,,, mentzer's one set a year FAIL
and still fail
and will do so forever
serger nubret had good structure AND RETARTED RESPONSE AND RESILIENCE TO DRUGS
he was juiced to grill until his death LIKE GH15 ,,,,Nasser
u can;t learn anything from professiona lbodybuilders
i just don't understand how can u live your life like that - loaded with hormones and telling other that you just do sit-ups all day long
lies are terrible and never ever end well.
never
Dude you are not making any sense with that post are you drunk or high? I understand the drug thing you state but Mentzer was very smart on training. It's genes first if not why are you not Mr O? Everyone can take steroids all day but is everyone going to be Mr O I don't see your name name on the list.
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Hey, bleachskin "Marine" how is life in Slovakia ;D
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surge lucked out and was in france the one country who made top notch human grade Trenbolone Hex(parabolin) plus the deca and Test and supreme genetics you cannot go wrong especially when you train like surge did! Not quite thick enough like a young Arnold or columbu but he had the best midsection with nasty veins running through his abs.
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Dude you are not making any sense with that post are you drunk or high? I understand the drug thing you state but Mentzer was very smart on training. It's genes first if not why are you not Mr O? Everyone can take steroids all day but is everyone going to be Mr O I don't see your name name on the list.
He actually makes sense if you take the time to decipher the gibberish.
What he's saying is Mentzers training method was academic...it's the 3 grams of deca and his very favorable genetics that made him who he was.. Nothing wrong with how he trained, he was an animal. But these guys who worship heavy duty and Arthur Jones like it's head and shoulders above other training protocols are naive fools. id rather have my hands on Mentzer's human grade gear than his training manual.
Same with Nubret. Give me that fucking Pharma grade Parabolan and I'll look fucking evil in a few months..that's the Ferrari Dino of gear.
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He actually makes sense if you take the time to decipher the gibberish.
What he's saying is Mentzers training method was academic...it's the 3 grams of deca and his very favorable genetics that made him who he was.. Nothing wrong with how he trained, he was an animal. But these guys who worship heavy duty and Arthur Jones like it's head and shoulders above other training protocols are naive fools. id rather have my hands on Mentzer's human grade gear than his training manual.
Same with Nubret. Give me that fucking Pharma grade Parabolan and I'll look fucking evil in a few months..that's the Ferrari Dino of gear.
Ok my point is if you had that stuff would you be Mr O groink? You are a huge dude with great arms but what separates a Mr O from like you and me = genes.
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We must differentiate Mr O's are genetic freaks on two counts : 1) incredible muscle cell density/response to training 2) INCREDIBLE receptor response to PED. In 1983 i trained in Venice for month, Samir Bannout had JUST returned from Europe schedule seminars and vacation. He was about a soft 175lbs with maybe 17" arms...... three months later he won Mr O with christmas tree lower back....transformation from training and drugs was DAILY...fkn grew before our eyes !
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We must differentiate Mr O's are genetic freaks on two counts : 1) incredible muscle cell density/response to training 2) INCREDIBLE receptor response to PED. In 1983 i trained in Venice for month, Samir Bannout had JUST returned from Europe schedule seminars and vacation. He was about a soft 175lbs with maybe 17" arms...... three months later he won Mr O with christmas tree lower back....transformation from training and drugs was DAILY...fkn grew before our eyes !
a legit 17 inch arm @ only a buck 75 is DAMN BIG
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a legit 17 inch arm @ only a buck 75 is DAMN BIG
It is!
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We must differentiate Mr O's are genetic freaks on two counts : 1) incredible muscle cell density/response to training 2) INCREDIBLE receptor response to PED. In 1983 i trained in Venice for month, Samir Bannout had JUST returned from Europe schedule seminars and vacation. He was about a soft 175lbs with maybe 17" arms...... three months later he won Mr O with christmas tree lower back....transformation from training and drugs was DAILY...fkn grew before our eyes !
Amazing stuff. That year he peaked perfectly. Wonder what he changed/added ?
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Ok my point is if you had that stuff would you be Mr O groink? You are a huge dude with great arms but what separates a Mr O from like you and me = genes.
Dont know about Mr O...but I'd be the absolute best that my genetics allow for on human and pharm grade stuff..which ain't chppoed liver.. I dont approach that now on the bullshit UG tren available. I can tell a good bottle from a bad bottle in two shots, and it's 50/50 brother.
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Saw serge train back in the day a ton of times. Quiet man in the gym. It's funny like a paradox. Intense but not intense. He was religious it seemed about not resting real long but he did not use real heavy weights but having said that his reps were mostly fairly slow and deliberate. Not cool to bug pros but looking back I have a ton of autographs from the old guys on various lifting belts. Wish I woulda got his. Never asked him. The pic funk posted with him squatting looks fake. Not saying he couldn't do that but where did he get the bar from? Dress shoes etc.
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As a AAS/Tren novice...do people still use parabolan today?
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I may have posted this before, but it's true that Mike believed in huge doses. A pro that I used to train (not King) told me that he was at a couple of Mike's private seminars back in the mid 90's. After the training session he said some other guy would talk about drug usage. Maybe Mike didn't want to discuss them for liability reason who knows, but he was told to pick your two fav injectable. do 1500 mgs weekly of each and then cycle an oral 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off. For example Anadrol 200 mgs then rest Dbol 100 mgs. So I know that Mike had his little quips he liked to quote, but seems he never really gave drugs the credit they deserved.
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I may have posted this before, but it's true that Mike believed in huge doses. A pro that I used to train (not King) told me that he was at a couple of Mike's private seminars back in the mid 90's. After the training session he said some other guy would talk about drug usage. Maybe Mike didn't want to discuss them for liability reason who knows, but he was told to pick your two fav injectable. do 1500 mgs weekly of each and then cycle an oral 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off. For example Anadrol 200 mgs then rest Dbol 100 mgs. So I know that Mike had his little quips he liked to quote, but seems he never really gave drugs the credit they deserved.
great info as always jim. did he mean jump right in with those doses r work up to and please tell me you got someone u were training to try it ;D
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As a AAS/Tren novice...do people still use parabolan today?
production discontinued years ago
since then they use veterinary fina pellets to brew ugl tren
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production discontinued years ago
since then they use veterinary fina pellets to brew ugl tren
I've seen it about...is it not g2g?
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I've seen it about...is it not g2g?
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the internet says the only legit parabolan was from negma france
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If you took a gram of negma parabalon it would have made you lose your mind.
People only needed 2 shots a week max, at 76mgs a shot :o
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If you took a gram of negma parabalon it would have made you lose your mind.
People only needed 2 shots a week max, at 76mgs a shot :o
was test also better in the past?
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If you took a gram of negma parabalon it would have made you lose your mind.
People only needed 2 shots a week max, at 76mgs a shot :o
I would believe it. The best tren i ever had was made by some chemist, it came in a big stupid bottle 5sizes too big and had "Tren A" written in pen on a white plain sticker on the side. It was fkng rocket fuel and made my skin crawl. I could imagine what pharma grade tren was like.
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People must realize that most of the top guys in the 80 - early 90 had good enough connections to get legit gear from dr or straight from pharms.. So 1500 Mgs of test was 1500 Mgs of test.. The whole high dosage protocols of today are sometimes based onthe fact that many are getting under dosed gear and not taking the Mgs they think.. So they think they are taking 1500 Mgs and maybe taking 800 Mgs..
Whena guy like mike took 1500 Mgs he was actually taking that amount.. So in essence many guys of yesteryear were taking as much or sometimes more that the guys today.. I know that's not popular to say but true.. Ask guys like Jim or even I how the guys of the 70- 80s felt about their dbol compared to today's dbol.. Most will tell ya that 20 Mgs gave dramatic gains but yet most took 50 Mgs or more even then.. And yes, negma para at 2 or 3 amps was awesome stuff but it was legit.. Whereas 220 Mgs of tren underground may not give the same effect...( there many great ugs out there.. But many bad too)
So we hear guys taking 800 Mgs of tren today..but are they really? This led many talking about the constant high dose use of today.. But it may surprise many too learn that serges para dose of yesteryear may have actually been more than those of today...
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Yeah, like back in the TJ days if a bottle said it had 1,000mg in it, we were lucky to get 500mg!
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Serges "lack of size" was not because of his training but his diet and constant use of stimulants to keep lean.. But it was the look that he wanted..
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Serge used to post here on Getbig.com ..he was a cool dude and answered every question...RIP
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Not true about only pellets now.. The powder is being manufactured and is readily available to the ugs...
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production discontinued years ago
since then they use veterinary fina pellets to brew ugl tren
Alpha-pharma is a legit company and they make parabolin plus many ugl's make underground grade parabolin. Hell Tren is tren it just depends on the ester it is attached to. I think Negma had the best parabolin ever and I rather shoot negmas parabolin then any UGL Tren or even Alpha-pharmas parabolin just because they made a superior product. negmas parabolin was probably the best tren product ever!
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Serge used to post here on Getbig.com ..he was an agenda dude and lied when answering every question...RIP
fixed that for you
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RIP
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great info as always jim. did he mean jump right in with those doses r work up to and please tell me you got someone u were training to try it ;D
I got the impression that he wasn't telling these guys to gradually increase the dose, but from the sounds of who was there these were all pretty big advanced guys anyway. I remember this guy telling me the story and laughing he said there were these huge guys with little boy faces. lol I asked him if he thought Mentzer's training methods worked he said yes, but who's wouldn't with all the drugs.
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I got the impression that he wasn't telling these guys to gradually increase the dose, but from the sounds of who was there these were all pretty big advanced guys anyway. I remember this guy telling me the story and laughing he said there were these huge guys with little boy faces. lol I asked him if he thought Mentzer's training methods worked he said yes, but who's wouldn't with all the drugs.
lol if all else fails, the walking pharmacy method wont!
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People must realize that most of the top guys in the 80 - early 90 had good enough connections to get legit gear from dr or straight from pharms.. So 1500 Mgs of test was 1500 Mgs of test.. The whole high dosage protocols of today are sometimes based onthe fact that many are getting under dosed gear and not taking the Mgs they think.. So they think they are taking 1500 Mgs and maybe taking 800 Mgs..
Whena guy like mike took 1500 Mgs he was actually taking that amount.. So in essence many guys of yesteryear were taking as much or sometimes more that the guys today.. I know that's not popular to say but true.. Ask guys like Jim or even I how the guys of the 70- 80s felt about their dbol compared to today's dbol.. Most will tell ya that 20 Mgs gave dramatic gains but yet most took 50 Mgs or more even then.. And yes, negma para at 2 or 3 amps was awesome stuff but it was legit.. Whereas 220 Mgs of tren underground may not give the same effect...( there many great ugs out there.. But many bad too)
So we hear guys taking 800 Mgs of tren today..but are they really? This led many talking about the constant high dose use of today.. But it may surprise many too learn that serges para dose of yesteryear may have actually been more than those of today...
good post. It dosn't even seem like anybody can find any REAL super potent old school dianabol! It is all way weaker then the old dbol the guys in the old days used, even if it tests out at the label claim something is wrong with the purity of the raw material or how it is synthesized. The steroids flooding the market today SUCK! This is why guys use crazy amounts wich make the old school bodybuilders sick and wonder why they have to use those doses. talk to frank zane! He used steroids but he cannot believe what todays guys use! hell 10mg of old-school dbol is like 60mg of todays UGL dbol going around! You have to get pharma grade gear but all the oral steroids are very hard to get and even the usa pharma gear is not as strong and UGL gear is just a joke!
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serge nubret is phoney
who had a rich daddy and was able to show his ebony ass in a thong
granted great genetics and most people will not look like that ever no matter da drugs but
truth be told he knows as much about training as a 5 year old
fucking phoney
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I may have posted this before, but it's true that Mike believed in huge doses. A pro that I used to train (not King) told me that he was at a couple of Mike's private seminars back in the mid 90's. After the training session he said some other guy would talk about drug usage. Maybe Mike didn't want to discuss them for liability reason who knows, but he was told to pick your two fav injectable. do 1500 mgs weekly of each and then cycle an oral 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off. For example Anadrol 200 mgs then rest Dbol 100 mgs. So I know that Mike had his little quips he liked to quote, but seems he never really gave drugs the credit they deserved.
jim , you wudnt happen by any chance to have any stories about Steve Michalik from back in the day ? from the articles ive read and heard he was really one for the high doses...
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good post. It dosn't even seem like anybody can find any REAL super potent old school dianabol! It is all way weaker then the old dbol the guys in the old days used, even if it tests out at the label claim something is wrong with the purity of the raw material or how it is synthesized. The steroids flooding the market today SUCK! This is why guys use crazy amounts wich make the old school bodybuilders sick and wonder why they have to use those doses. talk to frank zane! He used steroids but he cannot believe what todays guys use! hell 10mg of old-school dbol is like 60mg of todays UGL dbol going around! You have to get pharma grade gear but all the oral steroids are very hard to get and even the usa pharma gear is not as strong and UGL gear is just a joke!
I have always thought this. I had the chance to take real Dr prescribed Dianabol once on my life. It was the first steroid that I ever used and I used it by itself while dieting for a show. Put on 7 pound of muscle the last 6 weeks before my show. The only other thing that I would put against them were the old Russian dbol white tabs that came in the punch out foil strips that were available around 15 years ago.
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jim , you wudnt happen by any chance to have any stories about Steve Michalik from back in the day ? from the articles ive read and heard he was really one for the high doses...
Nothing first hand. I know like you he was big into high doses and from what I have heard he was pretty much an asshole to most people and not a very stable guy.
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I certainly don't blame Serge for not wanting to talk about drugs especially at his age. I can't imagine giving guys young enuff to be my grandkids advise on how to take steroids over the internet. Don't get me wrong drugs matter a whole hell of a lot, but the way Serge trained allowed him to not only lift until he was 70 but he also looked very good at that age. You are NOT going to see todays guys lifting in their 60's let alone guest posing, most I'll guess won't be alive.
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I may have posted this before, but it's true that Mike believed in huge doses. A pro that I used to train (not King) told me that he was at a couple of Mike's private seminars back in the mid 90's. After the training session he said some other guy would talk about drug usage. Maybe Mike didn't want to discuss them for liability reason who knows, but he was told to pick your two fav injectable. do 1500 mgs weekly of each and then cycle an oral 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off. For example Anadrol 200 mgs then rest Dbol 100 mgs. So I know that Mike had his little quips he liked to quote, but seems he never really gave drugs the credit they deserved.
and these guys suffered back in the day thru the prep. it showed in the conditioning, esp nubret.