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Could be the Bengazi whistleblowers or someother corruption, but this administration might end before this clowns second term is up. I know high school governments that could.run this country better.
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Could be the Bengazi whistleblowers or someother corruption, but this administration might end before this clowns second term is up. I know high school governments that could.run this country better.
Nobody gave a fucking rat's ass about this admin being caught red handed dumping guns to the cartels across the border so I guess you'll have to catch him after he's pitched his load on a fucking blue dress for it to really matter ::)
fucking assclowns the lot of you.
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Nobody gave a fucking rat's ass about this admin being caught red handed dumping guns to the cartels across the border so I guess you'll have to catch him after he's pitched his load on a fucking blue dress for it to really matter ::)
fucking assclowns the lot of you.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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This President could probably rape a child, execute them live on CNN, and still not lose his job.
While I agree that the Benghazi issue is a scandal that should end his Presidency, don't hold your breath waiting for anyone give a shit. It's a fucked up world we live in these days.
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This President could probably rape a child, execute them live on CNN, and still not lose his job.
While I agree that the Benghazi issue is a scandal that should end his Presidency, don't hold your breath waiting for anyone give a shit. It's a fucked up world we live in these days.
http://whatafy.com/political-corruption-in-ancient-rome.html (http://whatafy.com/political-corruption-in-ancient-rome.html)
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Nobody gave a fucking rat's ass about this admin being caught red handed dumping guns to the cartels across the border so I guess you'll have to catch him after he's pitched his load on a fucking blue dress for it to really matter ::)
fucking assclowns the lot of you.
Sad but true. I turned on the news today and hardly any mention of those deaths.
Either they don't know, don't show or just don't care whats really going on in Bengazi.
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Most of the media is just a mouthpeice for this administration, and most the dumb population gets all their 'opinions' from media soundbites so yea, he coukd say or do pretty much anything and the public would be oblivious.
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Obama isn't going anywhere. Doesn't matter how bad the cover-up was.
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Obama could rape Betty White on the WH lawn and the cult of OTWINK would defend him.
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Obama isn't going anywhere.
And you secretly like it... ::)
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/08/benghazi-whistleblower-i-was-told-not-to-talk-to-members-of-congress-investigating-terror-attack
The corruption never stops w this shithead in office
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And you secretly like it... ::)
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http://twitchy.com/2013/05/08/greg-hicks-i-briefed-hillary-on-benghazi-that-night-clinton-continued-to-blame-video
HILLARY LIED
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i have to think that those in the media PREFER it when the other party is in power.
Ratings are surely a lot higher when the hosts can ATTACK all day, and their audience is pissed, emotionally involved, anrgy.
Compare that to when they actually win... and they have to spend the next 4 years carrying the water, defending all the bullshit they pull.
Keith Olbermann was an excellent attack dog, a terrible defender - he'd probably still have his job if daily palin attacking was his duty.
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Obama wins again. Today the jurors come to a decision on the Jodi Arias case and that's all the news is talking about. Even Fox.
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Its a minor story now thats she's guilty...still divert to some extent. Obama will try and get Clinton to take the bullet for this.
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If this administration finally comes to an end will that mean your incessant whining will also be over?
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If this administration finally comes to an end will that mean your incessant whining will also be over?
You must be a Democrat to post something like that. Smart-assed mockery devoid of anything relevant to the issue itself.
Weak sauce.
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Obama could put blacks into slavery and his cult of personality would defend it.
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Could be the Bengazi whistleblowers or someother corruption, but this administration might end before this clowns second term is up. I know high school governments that could.run this country better.
2016 is a looonnngggg way off if you are filling that cranium with delusional hopes like this.
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Fact : they left 4 people to die..it took 8 hours between the start of the attack and their deaths.
Fact: their was a special forces unit 1 hour away , locked loaded and ready to chopper to the embassy..
Fact : there was air support available as well from Tripoli
Fact : they turned down the dead seals request for help, they turned down the Spec ops request to go in and they turned down the air support
End result they left those 4 people to die and have their bodies desecrated by a bunch of animals.
Fuck obama - and those that voted for him.
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Yep, seems kind of hard to get out of that, but I don't think you will much consequence.
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Yep, seems kind of hard to get out of that, but I don't think you will much consequence.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/09/us/politics/official-offers-account-from-libya-of-benghazi-attack.html?hp&_r=0
And the whistleblower was demoted - a 22 year career down the toilet due to the corruption and treason of hillary and obama
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Watching the media bury this and the Gosnell trial is amusing. Then we'll get the leftists like 240 up on their soapboxes talking about there being no bias.
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Watching the media bury this and the Gosnell trial is amusing. Then we'll get the leftists like 240 up on their soapboxes talking about there being no bias.
It's pathetic how the leftists are so backwards to appease an agenda.
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2016 is a looonnngggg way off if you are filling that cranium with delusional hopes like this.
You couldn't argue a logical point if your life depended on it. Keep spinning, twisting and lying. If it's now or later, I GUARANTY everything the left is doing will come back to destroy them.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/09/us/politics/official-offers-account-from-libya-of-benghazi-attack.html?hp&_r=0
And the whistleblower was demoted - a 22 year career down the toilet due to the corruption and treason of hillary and obama
Welcome again to the real world. It happens often in the government regardless of who is in charge.
Too bad, people like that should prolly get promoted.
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Welcome again to the real world. It happens often in the government regardless of who is in charge.
Too bad, people like that should prolly get promoted.
So that makes it ok right?
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Testimony: Elements of Militia State Dept. Hired to Protect Diplomats in Benghazi Were ‘Complicit’ in Terrorist Attack
May 9, 2013
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By Terence P. Jeffrey
(CNSNews.com) -- Elements of the February 17 Martyrs Brigade, the Libyan militia hired by the U.S. State Department to protect U.S. diplomats in Benghazi, were “complicit” in the Sept. 11, 2012 terrorist attack that killed Amb. Chris Stevens, according to the testimony of Greg Hicks, who was the department's second-ranking diplomat in Libya at the time of the attack.
“Certainly, elements of that militia were complicit in the attacks,” Greg Hicks, the State Department’s former deputy chief of mission in Libya told the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee on Wednesday. “The attackers had to make a long approach march through multiple checkpoints that were manned by February 17 militia.
Rep. Blake Farenthold (R.-Texas), who asked Hicks about the militia's complicity in the attacks, also asked Eric Nordstrom, who had been the State Department’s regional security officer (RSO) at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli until July 26 of last year, whether the department was aware that the militia had any ties to Islamic extremists.
“Absolutely,” said Nordstrom. “Yeah, we had that discussion on a number of occasions, the last of which was when there was a Facebook posting of a threat that named Ambassador Stevens and Senator McCain, who was coming out for the elections that was in the July time frame. I had met with some of my agents and then also with some Annex personnel. We discussed that.”
Farenthold expressed his incredulity that the State Department would hire militia of this nature to provide security.
“I'm stunned that the State Department was relying on a militia with extremist ties to protect American diplomats,” said Farenthold. “That doesn't make any sense. How does that happen?”
“You mean like in Afghanistan where Afghanis that are working with our military that are embedded and turn on them and shoot them?” asked Nordstrom rhetorically. “Or Yemen, where our embassy was attacked in 2008 by attackers wearing police uniforms? Or in Saudi Arabia, in Jedda, we had an attack in 2004? The Saudi National Guard that was protecting our facility reportedly ran from the scene, and then it took 90 minutes before we could get help.”
Nordstrom added that the February 17 Martyrs Brigade “was the unit that the Libyan government had initially designated for VIP protection” for Americans and that it would be “very difficult to extract ourselves from that.”
According to a report published by the Senate Homeland Security Committee on Dec. 30, 2012, a member of the February 17 Martyrs Brigade had warned the RSO at the State Department compound in Benghazi on Sept. 8, 2012, that the militia would no longer protect the movements of Americans diplomats in the city. That specifically included the then-imminent visit of Amb. Stevens.
“In early September, a member of the February 17 Brigade told another RSO [State Department regional security officer] in Benghazi that it could no longer support U.S. personnel movements,” said the Senate committee report. “The RSO also asked specifically if the militia could provide additional support for the Ambassador’s pending visit and was told no.”
On Sept. 9, 2012, the day before Amb. Stevens left for Benghazi, Alec Henderson, the RSO in Benghazi, relayed the warning from the February 17 militia to John Martinec, who was then the RSO in Tripoli.
“- n September 8, 2012, just days before Ambassador Stevens arrived in Benghazi, the February 17 Martyrs Brigade told State Department officials that the group would no longer support U.S. movements in the city, including the Ambassador’s visit,” said a report on Benghazi released last month by the chairmen of the House Foreign Affairs, Intelligence, Oversight, Judiciary and Armed Services committees.
The report, in a footnote, attributed this information to an “Email from Alec Henderson to John B. Martinec, ‘RE: Benghazi QRF agreement,’ (Sep. 9, 2012 11:31 PM).”
The Accountability Review Board report published by the State Department said that the February 17 militia had stop protecting the movements of U.S. diplomats in Benghazi because of the pay and working hours they got from the State Department.
“At the time of Ambassador Stevens’ visit, February 17 militia members had stopped accompanying Special Mission vehicle movements in protest over salary and working hours,” said the ARB report.
The ARB report also said that normally four members of the militia lived inside the State Department's Benghazi compound, but that on Sept. 11, 2012 one of these four "had been absent for several days, reportedly due to a family illness."
When all four February 17 Martyrs Brigade members were resident at the Benghazi compound they out-numbered the U.S. Diplomatic Security officers stationed there four to three.
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You couldn't argue a logical point if your life depended on it. Keep spinning, twisting and lying. If it's now or later, I GUARANTY everything the left is doing will come back to destroy them.
I "GUARANTY" (whatever that is) that you will be in meltdown mode until 2016.
If you think this will lead to Obama leaving the WH you are dumber than I ever thought. Which truth be told, I think you are pretty fucking dumb in the first place.
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I "GUARANTY" (whatever that is) that you will be in meltdown mode until 2016.
If you think this will lead to Obama leaving the WH you are dumber than I ever thought. Which truth be told, I think you are pretty fucking dumb in the first place.
hahaha he's not the only one
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hahaha he's not the only one
I GURANTY THAT!!!!
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Could be the Bengazi whistleblowers or someother corruption, but this administration might end before this clowns second term is up. I know high school governments that could.run this country better.
$100 says it won't. Another hundred says you won't be able to find this story on any major news network in 6 months
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$100 says it won't. Another hundred says you won't be able to find this story on any major news network in 6 months
That is more a reflection on the media rather than the importance of the story.
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$100 says it won't. Another hundred says you won't be able to find this story on any major news network in 6 months
Probably right on the first part. On the second part, it's already been buried on the 12th page if it's in at all. Fox, conservative talk shows and conservative bloggers will be the only place where it will stay in. But hey, Jodi Arias is all over the place.
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That is more a reflection on the media rather than the importance of the story.
agree
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Yeah, an article on the 12th page will certainly lead to the end of the Obama Administration. GURANTY it!
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You must be a Democrat to post something like that. Smart-assed mockery devoid of anything relevant to the issue itself.
Weak sauce.
You're new here so I'll let it slide. I don't post here like I used to but I'm a very much not a democrat, no a republican. I've just been around long enough to find the rantings of Coach to become annoying. It's the same whining I hear whenever a republican is in office from all the liberals.
People give the POTUS too much credit when it comes to fucking up this country.
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Same dopes who said LANDSLIDE for Romney
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Same dopes who said LANDSLIDE for Romney
GURANTY!!!
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Same dopes who said LANDSLIDE for Romney
so true,there's no shortage of them on here
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Could be the Bengazi whistleblowers or someother corruption, but this administration might end before this clowns second term is up. I know high school governments that could.run this country better.
sorry, Gov. Hucksterbee,
you lost on that this one.
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You're new here so I'll let it slide. I don't post here like I used to but I'm a very much not a democrat, no a republican. I've just been around long enough to find the rantings of Coach to become annoying. It's the same whining I hear whenever a republican is in office from all the liberals.
People give the POTUS too much credit when it comes to fucking up this country.
Don't do me any favors. 2004 makes me "new here"?
Many of the problems in the country today started right at the top. Like the Obama administration's refusal to acknowledge the fact that radical Muslims are at war with the United States. They spin, downplay, and flat out lie to cover up anything that doesn't fit their fairytale world view. While the President isn't solely responsible for this shitty mess of a country, his ass-backwards naive philosophy is running us into the ground socially, economically and militarily.
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Don't do me any favors. 2004 makes me "new here"?
Many of the problems in the country today started right at the top. Like the Obama administration's refusal to acknowledge the fact that radical Muslims are at war with the United States. They spin, downplay, and flat out lie to cover up anything that doesn't fit their fairytale world view. While the President isn't solely responsible for this shitty mess of a country, his ass-backwards naive philosophy is running us into the ground socially, economically and militarily.
Call down, Gloria. You're "new" to this section of the board meaning, I haven't seen you post here until recently or maybe you were using a different account at one point. It wasn't meant as an insult.
Do you hold the previous administration accountable for all their lies, decrepit, deception and continuous erosion of our liberties and freedoms in the name of so called security and safety? It's all the same show, just a different pony.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/10/benghazi-talking-points_n_3253638.html
LOL - total liberal meltdown
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Benghazi memo edits show State, White House involvement
Benghazi attack theories
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/05/10/benghazi-emails/2150103
Source: USA TODAY Research
Tory Hargro, Janet Loehrke, USA TODAY
Oren Dorell2:37 p.m. EDT May 10, 2013
(Photo: Spencer Platt, Getty Images)
Story Highlights
Initial CIA assessment named al Qaeda and Ansar al Sharia and previous warnings for Benghazi.
State Department spokewoman Victoria Nuland worried the information would hurt politically.
The FBI and CIA didn't object, but White House official Ben Rhoades said changes should be made.
A top State Department official pressed the CIA and the White House to delete any mention of terrorism in public statements on the Benghazi terror attack to prevent critics from blaming lax security at the consulate, according to documents obtained by ABC News.
The information "goes right to the heart of what the White House continues to deny," Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, told USA TODAY. "For eight months they denied there's any manipulation, but this continues to shed light on something that was never true."
State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said in a statement to USA TODAY on Friday that the changes were made to prevent members of Congress from "providing more guidance to the public than the administration."
Victoria Nuland, spokeswoman for the State Department, said she was expressing the concerns of her "leadership" when she emailed that a CIA memo on Benghazi should remove references to the attacks links to al-Qaeda and CIA warnings about terrorist threats in Benghazi in the months preceding the attack.
According to ABC News, Nuland objected in an email to White House and intelligence officials that the CIA description "could be abused by members (of Congress) to beat up on the State Department for not paying attention to warnings."
The "talking points" memo on what the Obama administration should tell the public was the basis for statements made by U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice, who appeared on talk shows five days after the Sept. 11 attack to explain what happened.
Rice insisted the attack emanated from a protest over an anti-Islam video produced in America that turned violent and that terrorism was not involved. The White House has since acknowledged the assault was a preplanned terror attack and no protest happened.
In the emails, the White House tells the CIA that State's concerns needed to be addressed. Some of the emails were originally reported on by The Weekly Standard.
Psaki, in her statement, said Nuland's office raised two primary concerns about the talking points.
"First that the points went further in assigning responsibility than preliminary assessments suggested and there was concern about preserving the integrity of the investigation," Psaki said. "Second, that the points were inconsistent with the public language the Administration had used to date – meaning members of Congress would be providing more guidance to the public than the Administration."
Danielle Pletka, vice president for foreign and defense policy at the American Enterprise Institute, said new information that came out this week shows that the Obama administration's version of what happened in Benghazi was deliberately misleading.
"The narrative about the film was a lie. The narrative that it was not al Qaeda was a lie and the notion this was an attempt to protect anyone but Barack Obama is laughable," Pletka said. "They could have nipped this in the bud on day two and there would be no investigation."
ABC News obtained 12 versions of the talking points and reviewed State Department and White House emails that seem to show that references to terrorist involvement in Benghazi were not deleted at the request of the CIA or FBI, as Obama administration officials have said.
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney told reporters in November that the talking points "reflect the (intelligence community's) best assessments of what they thought had happened." The White House and State Department input was minor, to change the word "consulate" to "diplomatic post," Carney said at the time.
The multiple edited versions tell a different story. The initial unclassified memo produced by the CIA for distribution to lawmakers and government officials -- who were to use it to address the public – said extremists linked to al-Qaeda were known to be operating in Benghazi.
"The Agency has produced numerous pieces on the threat of extremists linked to al-Qa'ida in Benghazi and eastern Libya," the initial version said, describing a string of five attacks on foreign interests since April. "We cannot rule out the individuals has previously surveilled the U.S. facilities, also contributing to the efficacy of the attacks."
The paragraph was deleted.
The initial CIA memo also said the attack appeared to have been "spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo," language that survived in the final version given to Rice. But it also said "we do know that Islamic extremists with ties to al-Qa'ida participated in the attack," and named the group Ansar al Sharia.
Nuland objected to naming the terrorist groups saying, "we don't want to prejudice the investigation."
A staffer at the White House National Security Council managing the review of the talking points wrote Nuland that "the FBI did not have major concerns with the points and offered only a couple minor changes."
After some minor edits, Nuland objected again that "these changes don't resolve all of my issues or those of my building's leadership." Ben Rhodes, deputy national security advisory in the White House, wrote on the morning of Sept. 14 that the State Department concerns should be addressed.
"We must make sure that the talking points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department, and we don't want to undermine the FBI investigation," Rhodes wrote, adding that the document would be worked on the next morning.
After that meeting, the CIA produced a new and final version of the memo, with no reference to al Qaeda and the known security threats in Benghazi before Sept. 11.
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Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) suggested that President Obama could be impeached over what he alleged was a White House cover-up after last year’s attack in Benghazi, Libya.
Inhofe, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in an interview Thursday with “The Rusty Humphries Show” that impeachment would become an issue soon over the “greatest cover-up in American history.”
“People may be starting to use the I-word before too long,” Inhofe said.
“The I-word meaning impeachment?” Humphries asked.
“Yeah,” Inhofe responded.
“Of all the great cover-ups in history — the Pentagon papers, Iran-Contra, Watergate, all the rest of them — this … is going to go down as most egregious cover-up in American history,” Inhofe said.
Good!!!! Send this pos marxist from chicago where he belongs
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You're new here so I'll let it slide. I don't post here like I used to but I'm a very much not a democrat, no a republican. I've just been around long enough to find the rantings of Coach to become annoying. It's the same whining I hear whenever a republican is in office from all the liberals.
People give the POTUS too much credit when it comes to fucking up this country.
I really could give a shit if you find me annoying or not. Fact is, over the years I've been rarely wrong and most of the time can prove what I post. unlike You liberals, have a REAL hard time proving what you say in issues which is why you demonize. This isn't rhetoric dude, this is just plain fact. YOUR administration is constantly in damage control because of the lies they can't keep straight...again, this is fact. Even your liberal buddies can't keep up.
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http://cnsnews.com/news/article/cia-timeline-confirms-woods-and-doherty-killed-benghazi-7hrs-after-wh-told-attack
Obama could go down in AF1 hitting side of a mountain and i wouldnt give two shits about it
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I really could give a shit if you find me annoying or not. Fact is, over the years I've been rarely wrong and most of the time can prove what I post. unlike You liberals, have a REAL hard time proving what you say in issues which is why you demonize. This isn't rhetoric dude, this is just plain fact. YOUR administration is constantly in damage control because of the lies they can't keep straight...again, this is fact. Even your liberal buddies can't keep up.
Misdirecting your emotional tirade doesn't prove your point, Coach. I'd probably sit down and have a beer with you one day, you seem like an alright dude to hang out with, but you cry about so called "liberal" issues which simply are not partisan at all. If a republican was in office you wouldn't be saying a word if they were doing the exact same thing Obama is, simply because it was a republican. That's your problem. Your simple minded outlook and party bias relegates you to the heard of sheep who still believe we have a choice and that there's a difference between either side.
I voted for Gary Johnson and have voted Libertarian since I was 18, just an FYI for future reference before you go mislabeling people just because you wish to prove a point.
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Misdirecting your emotional tirade doesn't prove your point, Coach. I'd probably sit down and have a beer with you one day, you seem like an alright dude to hang out with, but you cry about so called "liberal" issues which simply are not partisan at all. If a republican was in office you wouldn't be saying a word if they were doing the exact same thing Obama is, simply because it was a republican. That's your problem. Your simple minded outlook and party bias relegates you to the heard of sheep who still believe we have a choice and that there's a difference between either side.
I voted for Gary Johnson and have voted Libertarian since I was 18, just an FYI for future reference before you go mislabeling people just because you wish to prove a point.
No, actually thats not true. I have no problem saying that most of the republicans have been weak and it angers me to no end knowing Obama is getting the upper hand in the bad decisions with their help. Boehner especially. But you cannot deny that it IS liberal policies that have been the detriment to this country. Obamacare, for example. The vast majority DO NOT want he felt compelled to run it through KNOWING it would cost not only the rich more money but the middleclass as well (middleclass is hit the hardest even though he said it wouldn't raise anything).
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ABC's Jon Karl: 'No evidence Hillary Clinton was aware' of Benghazi revisions
Politico ^ | 5/10/13 | DYLAN BYERS
Posted on May 10, 2013 2:04:45 PM EDT by neverdem
Today's blockbuster ABC News report about White House and State Dept. involvement in revising the CIA’s Benghazi talking points has provided Republicans with new talking points in their effort to discredit former Sec. of State Hillary Clinton. But Jonathan Karl, the ABC News White House correspondent who landed the scoop, says not so fast.
The emails obtained by Karl show that State Dept. spokesman Victoria Nuland raised objections to a paragraph in the talking points mentioning threats from extremists linked to Al Qaeda. When a round of revisions did not satisfy her concerns, she wrote back: “These changes don’t resolve all of my issues or those of my building's leadership."
In that reference to the "building's leadership," some see a reference to Sec. Clinton. But Karl says that to date, no such evidence exists.
"There's no evidence that I've seen that Hillary Clinton was aware of what was going on, or in any way tried to direct what was in these talking points," Karl told POLITICO on Friday morning. "But that sentence is certainly open to interpretation, and you can guarantee it is going to seized on by Republicans for a long time, because ultimately the leadership of that building is Hillary Clinton."
Republicans have been fighting to keep the Benghazi story alive for months, and the right-wing blogosphere has made it their r'aison d'etre. Despite front page reports in the New York Times and scoops from reporters like Karl, conservatives accuse the mainstream media of failing to adequately investigate the story.
Those accusations are likely to subside this weekend in the wake of Karl's report (and that of The Weekly Standard's Stephen Hayes), which comes on the heels of Wednesday's 'emotional' testimony from three State Dept. officials. Benghazi is now driving the news cycle and -- as my colleagues Glenn Thrush and Maggie Haberman pointed out on Thursday -- Hillary Clinton is once again fair-game for critics.
The Sunday shows will be almost entirely dedicated to the issue: ABC's "This Week," will feature interviews with Sens. John McCain and Jack Reed, and Gen. James Cartwright, retired Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, will join the roundtable. CBS's "Face The Nation" will feature interviews with former Sec. of Defense Robert Gates and Sens. Dick Durbin and Kelly Ayotte. NBC's "Meet The Press" will have exclusive interviews with House Oversight Committee Chair Darrell Issa and Senate Intelligence Chair Dianne Feinstein.
But where the story goes after Sunday is anyone's guess.
"I have no idea how long this story will go on, but what is clear after this week is that there are still legitimate questions to be asked, and there's also going to be a political story regarding Hillary Clinton," Karl told POLITICO. "The story clearly has legs -- for how long, I just don't know."
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Misdirecting your emotional tirade doesn't prove your point, Coach. I'd probably sit down and have a beer with you one day, you seem like an alright dude to hang out with, but you cry about so called "liberal" issues which simply are not partisan at all. If a republican was in office you wouldn't be saying a word if they were doing the exact same thing Obama is, simply because it was a republican. That's your problem. Your simple minded outlook and party bias relegates you to the heard of sheep who still believe we have a choice and that there's a difference between either side.
I voted for Gary Johnson and have voted Libertarian since I was 18, just an FYI for future reference before you go mislabeling people just because you wish to prove a point.
Need to also add. I particularly liked Gary Johnson and would have been my second choice next to Romney.
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Misdirecting your emotional tirade doesn't prove your point, Coach. I'd probably sit down and have a beer with you one day, you seem like an alright dude to hang out with, but you cry about so called "liberal" issues which simply are not partisan at all. If a republican was in office you wouldn't be saying a word if they were doing the exact same thing Obama is, simply because it was a republican. That's your problem. Your simple minded outlook and party bias relegates you to the heard of sheep who still believe we have a choice and that there's a difference between either side.
I voted for Gary Johnson and have voted Libertarian since I was 18, just an FYI for future reference before you go mislabeling people just because you wish to prove a point.
Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!!!
Glad to know that someone gets it. My head was about to explode ;D
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Incredibly naive statement.
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GUARANTY!!!!
The only thing GURANTY is that 2016 is a long way off for you whiners.
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Jesus, this is still going on?
Lets correct some of this bullshit, there were at least 10 attacks similar to this under Bush, many with longer timelines and more deaths yet nothing, not a fucking peep.
The right is responsible for 80% of the debt and have induced every recession. Surplus only occurs under Left leaning leadership, Fact.
Obamacare is set to save people serious money on premiums and already has.
Benghazi was handled fine, these things are complicated issues and some of the info was issued as a tactic as previously outlined.
This month is the highest surplus in five years, the stock market is soaring and the austerity movement is proven to be absurd, Paul Ryan a moron.
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Jesus, this is still going on?
Lets correct some of this bullshit, there were at least 10 attacks similar to this under Bush, many with longer timelines and more deaths yet nothing, not a fucking peep.
The right is responsible for 80% of the debt and have induced every recession. Surplus only occurs under Left leaning leadership, Fact.
Obamacare is set to save people serious money on premiums and already has.
Benghazi was handled fine, these things are complicated issues and some of the info was issued as a tactic as previously outlined.
This month is the highest surplus in five years, the stock market is soaring and the austerity movement is proven to be absurd, Paul Ryan a moron.
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Jesus, this is still going on?
Lets correct some of this bullshit, there were at least 10 attacks similar to this under Bush, many with longer timelines and more deaths yet nothing, not a fucking peep.
The right is responsible for 80% of the debt and have induced every recession. Surplus only occurs under Left leaning leadership, Fact.
Obamacare is set to save people serious money on premiums and already has.
Benghazi was handled fine, these things are complicated issues and some of the info was issued as a tactic as previously outlined.
This month is the highest surplus in five years, the stock market is soaring and the austerity movement is proven to be absurd, Paul Ryan a moron.
Holy shit, where to start!!
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Holy shit, where to start!!
why don't you start the with lies you heard from Rush or Beck
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why don't you start the with lies you heard from Rush ork
What lies?...you first.
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OWNED
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Two Senators Were Asked Whether Obama Should Be Impeached Over Benghazi
Brett LoGiurato|May 12, 2013, 12:15 PM|3,365|31
Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Susan Collins (R-Maine) both brushed off any suggestion that President Barack Obama should be impeached over new revelations about the September terrorist attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya.
On ABC's "This Week," McCain suggested that such talk wasn't serious.
"With all due respect, I think this is a serious issue," McCain said. "I will even give the President the benefit of the doubt on some of these things.
McCain, however, did refer to the Obama administration's editing of talking points in the immediate aftermath of the attack as a "cover up." He suggested that there should be a special Congressional committee to investigate the attack and its aftermath.
Collins had a similar take to McCain, a fellow moderate Republican. On CNN's "State of the Union," Collins said that the new allegations are "serious," and she thought that some lives could have been saved if the Obama administration had handled it differently.
"I don't, at this point," Collins said, when asked by CNN's Candy Crowley if the new revelations warranted talk of impeachment.
The questions on the Sunday shows came up after Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) said in a radio interview on Friday that "people may be starting to use the 'I-word' before too long." Inhofe said that the issue could last until after the 2014 elections, when Republicans will vie for control of the Senate. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee also said last week that he doesn't believe that Obama will fill out his second term.
On Friday, ABC News revealed that the Benghazi points had undergone 12 different revisions, and some of the new information directly contradicted the Obama administration's claims that the talking points were completely drafted by the CIA.
The Washington Post's Glenn Kessler wrote that the talking points could be evidence of a "bureaucratic knife fight" between the State Department and CIA. Collins, though, said that "clearly, politics were at play" because of the removal of references to al-Qaeda-linked groups.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/impeach-obama-benghazi-john-mccain-susan-collins-2013-5#ixzz2T8fytL63
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http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/obama-impeachment-bill-now-in-congress
Impeachment looming for Choomer in Chief
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Haven't you made this prediction already? How did that turn out?
Then you predicted he would step down and seek a pardon. How did that turn out?
Then you predicted he wouldn't even run again. How did that turn out?
Then you predicted he wouldn't even win a second term. How did that turn out?
Your predictions always turn out to be a LANDSLIDE in the exact opposite of what you claim.
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Haven't you made this prediction already? How did that turn out?
Then you predicted he would step down and seek a pardon. How did that turn out?
Then you predicted he wouldn't even run again. How did that turn out?
Then you predicted he wouldn't even win a second term. How did that turn out?
Your predictions always turn out to be a LANDSLIDE in the exact opposite of what you claim.
But in his own mind he is right all along.
Total nutcase.
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Inability to cope with reality is a classic trait of psychopaths.
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Even on morning joe they were horrified at the corruption of Obama and saying he is like Nixon.
Impeach, arrest, incarcerate, and deport this Kenyan Muslim commie where he belongs.
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All these threads talking about prosecution of high government officials and impeachment of the prez just underscore the ignorance of the sheeple. It just ain't gonna happen and the fact even entertain the thought that it might is laughable.
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Even on morning joe they were horrified at the corruption of Obama and saying he is like Nixon.
Impeach, arrest, incarcerate, and deport this Kenyan Muslim commie where he belongs.
He just made your point Lurker.
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He just made your point Lurker.
Even Nixon had his defenders to the end. Impeach arrest incarcerate and deport l
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Even Nixon had his defenders to the end. Impeach arrest incarcerate and deport l
And again..
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All these threads talking about prosecution of high government officials and impeachment of the prez just underscore the ignorance of the sheeple. It just ain't gonna happen and the fact even entertain the thought that it might is laughable.
HAHAHA... Indeed. We all see how delusional those kind of people are and yet they plod along... allowing their delusions to shield them from reality.
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He just made your point Lurker.
He does so day in and day out.
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Your predictions always turn out to be a LANDSLIDE in the exact opposite of what you claim.
Hmmm...
33, I really need you to do me a solid.
Please predict that I will NOT win this week's Powerball currently valued at about 350 million.
Please be emphatic about it.
Thanks,
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;)
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Hmmm...
33, I really need you to do me a solid.
Please predict that I will NOT win this week's Powerball currently valued at about 350 million.
Please be emphatic about it.
Thanks,
LOL
;D
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Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Susan Collins (R-Maine) both brushed off any suggestion that President Barack Obama should be impeached over new revelations about the September terrorist attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya.
impeachment is always off the table. Bush, obama, whoever. no matter how much they deserve it. Clinton's BJ was the last impeachment we'll ever see. Pelosi said it was off the table, mccain says its off the table. Won't happen, no matter what prez does what.
I mean, it's fun to circle jerk on message boards about it, but in real life, we know the prez ain't going anywhere, no matter what he does, no matter what party.
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impeachment is always off the table. Bush, obama, whoever. no matter how much they deserve it. Clinton's BJ was the last impeachment we'll ever see. Pelosi said it was off the table, mccain says its off the table. Won't happen, no matter what prez does what.
I mean, it's fun to circle jerk on message boards about it, but in real life, we know the prez ain't going anywhere, no matter what he does, no matter what party.
Probably which will make even more fun as obama is exposed daily and forced to endure leaving office even lower and worse than nixon or bush
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Probably which will make even more fun as obama is exposed daily and forced to endure leaving office even lower and worse than nixon or bush
You really are deluded...
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You really are deluded...
Yeah, nothing to see here - Nixon was impeached for far less than obama has gotten away with so far.
Why? very simple - the press and democrat cultists wont allow the first black prez to leave office in disgrace even though he should be in prison.
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Probably which will make even more fun as obama is exposed daily and forced to endure leaving office even lower and worse than nixon or bush
i dont get it... what' "even more fun"? ???
your goal is lower poll numbers for obama? What the fck, brah? it's all about politics, huh?
Obama let 4 men die. He needs to be impeached. however, the repubs have said they WILL NOT IMPEACH HIM.
So at this point, it's nothing but the politicization of these mens' deaths. Not cool.
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Yeah, nothing to see here - Nixon was impeached for far less than obama has gotten away with so far.
Why? very simple - the press and democrat cultists wont allow the first black prez to leave office in disgrace even though he should be in prison.
NO NO NO
He's not being impeached because Graham and Mccain TOLD THE REPUBS NOT TO IMPEACH HIM.
THAT is why. Stop blaming this or that, stop blaming "democrat leftists".
The repubs have MORE THAN ENOUGH to impeach his ass. And they're not doing it. Stop blaming dems. You have the house majority and half those spineless dems would impeach obama if political pressure said so. But REPUBS are too much pussies to do it. Admit it,, man.
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i dont get it... what' "even more fun"? ???
your goal is lower poll numbers for obama? What the fck, brah? it's all about politics, huh?
Obama let 4 men die. He needs to be impeached. however, the repubs have said they WILL NOT IMPEACH HIM.
So at this point, it's nothing but the politicization of these mens' deaths. Not cool.
They will not impeach him because so long as Reid is in the Senate - its going nowhere. Obama could murder someones grandma on the lawn of the WH and the democrats would still suck cock for him.
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They will not impeach him because so long as Reid is in the Senate - its going nowhere. Obama could murder someones grandma on the lawn of the WH and the democrats would still suck cock for him.
WTF??????????????
In THAT case - WHY not let the HOUSE REPUBLICANS vote to impeach him - then make EVERY SINGLE SITTING DEMOCRAT SENATOR have to stand up behind that massacre that obama let happen?
If NOTHING else, it'd make damn sure he doesn't let another massacre happen!
And we know those spineless dems turned on Clinton - 31 Democrats defected and supported impeachment inquiry for a freaking BJ, and that was BEFORE the information age!!!
DUDE--- If you're blaming REID because the dickless repubs won't impeach obama, you're beyond weak minded... you're delusional. ADMIT IT - Repubs are just as fcking scared of obama as the dems are. Admit it - they're okay with benghazi attacks!!!!!!!!!
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Have i ever said otherwise - the GOP is wortheless
WTF??????????????
In THAT case - WHY not let the HOUSE REPUBLICANS vote to impeach him - then make EVERY SINGLE SITTING DEMOCRAT SENATOR have to stand up behind that massacre that obama let happen?
If NOTHING else, it'd make damn sure he doesn't let another massacre happen!
And we know those spineless dems turned on Clinton - 31 Democrats defected and supported impeachment inquiry for a freaking BJ, and that was BEFORE the information age!!!
DUDE--- If you're blaming REID because the dickless repubs won't impeach obama, you're beyond weak minded... you're delusional. ADMIT IT - Repubs are just as fcking scared of obama as the dems are. Admit it - they're okay with benghazi attacks!!!!!!!!!
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Have i ever said otherwise - the GOP is wortheless
Then please stop saying Reid is the reason he isn't being impeached.
Dems turned on Clinton for lying about a freakin' BJ. They caved to public pressure.
They'd do the same (AND MORE).
Mccain and graham are the repub leadership- and they signaled all repiubs to not impeach obama. Sickening.
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HAHAHA 2016 is a long way off.
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Hmmm...
33, I really need you to do me a solid.
Please predict that I will NOT win this week's Powerball currently valued at about 350 million.
Please be emphatic about it.
Thanks,
;D
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http://www.businessinsider.com/irs-scandal-obama-nixon-joe-scarborough-2013-5
Even Mika knows Obama is done.
Better late than never to expose this crackhead communist shithead
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And again..
Did Obama Cry During His Press Conference?
buzzfeed ^ | 5/13 | kaczynski
Posted on Monday, May 13, 2013 2:17:07 PM by RummyChick
Reuters thinks so, and says in its caption that this wire photo shows a “tear.”
(Excerpt) Read more at buzzfeed.com ...
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Haven't you made this prediction already? How did that turn out?
Then you predicted he would step down and seek a pardon. How did that turn out?
Then you predicted he wouldn't even run again. How did that turn out?
Then you predicted he wouldn't even win a second term. How did that turn out?
Your predictions always turn out to be a LANDSLIDE in the exact opposite of what you claim.
Not entirely true. He predicted a landslide in the 2010 elections. He was right about that.
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Not entirely true. He predicted a landslide in the 2010 elections. He was right about that.
Everyone else including myself predicted the same thing. ::)
Hard to be much of a prediction though when history has shown over and over that the opposing party 99% gains seats during a midterm election. ::)
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Everyone else including myself predicted the same thing. ::)
Hard to be much of a prediction though when history has shown over and over that the opposing party 99% gains seats during a midterm election. ::)
You did? I don't recall that, but I don't read every thread.
Everyone did not predict a landslide, including Nancy Pelosi:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tonight rejected numerous polls predicting a Republican landslide among House candidates and defiantly predicted that Democrats will retain control of the House of Representatives.
"The early returns and overwhelming number of Democrats who are coming out – we're on pace to maintain a majority in the House of Representatives," Pelosi told reporters during a photo op in Washington.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vote-2010-election-results-republicans-seize-control-house/story?id=12003639
In any event, 33 predicted a landslide in 2010, and he was right, so it's not accurate to say he is "always" wrong about his predictions.
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Yeah that whole arab spring i predicted would be a disaster was real off too. ::) ::)
You did? I don't recall that, but I don't read every thread.
Everyone did not predict a landslide, including Nancy Pelosi:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tonight rejected numerous polls predicting a Republican landslide among House candidates and defiantly predicted that Democrats will retain control of the House of Representatives.
"The early returns and overwhelming number of Democrats who are coming out – we're on pace to maintain a majority in the House of Representatives," Pelosi told reporters during a photo op in Washington.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vote-2010-election-results-republicans-seize-control-house/story?id=12003639
In any event, 33 predicted a landslide in 2010, and he was right, so it's not accurate to say he is "always" wrong about his predictions.
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Hmmm...
33, I really need you to do me a solid.
Please predict that I will NOT win this week's Powerball currently valued at about 350 million.
Please be emphatic about it.
Thanks,
that would be awesome....
i played powerball too
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You did? I don't recall that, but I don't read every thread.
Everyone did not predict a landslide, including Nancy Pelosi:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tonight rejected numerous polls predicting a Republican landslide among House candidates and defiantly predicted that Democrats will retain control of the House of Representatives.
"The early returns and overwhelming number of Democrats who are coming out – we're on pace to maintain a majority in the House of Representatives," Pelosi told reporters during a photo op in Washington.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vote-2010-election-results-republicans-seize-control-house/story?id=12003639
In any event, 33 predicted a landslide in 2010, and he was right, so it's not accurate to say he is "always" wrong about his predictions.
Yes, I did.
He "predicted" something nearly everyone except Benny here was already in agreement with. That is sort of like predicting tomorrow will be Tuesday.
But if you want to hold on to that as an example in light of the other ones along with Obama getting a divorce, the Dems running Hillary in 2012, the birth certificate, Rubio being Romney's choice for VP, etc.. etc... then go ahead. ::)
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Yes, I did.
He "predicted" something nearly everyone except Benny here was already in agreement with. That is sort of like predicting tomorrow will be Tuesday.
But if you want to hold on to that as an example in light of the other ones along with Obama getting a divorce, the Dems running Hillary in 2012, the birth certificate, Rubio being Romney's choice for VP, etc.. etc... then go ahead. ::)
Good grief man. Do you hate 33 that much? lol. Here are Skip and others giving 33 credit for his prediction: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=354315.0
But whatever. It's really not a big deal.
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The point of posting that thread of skip giving props is what again......? Hell a lot more people on here said the same thing. This was not exactly a Miss Cleo type feat you know.
::)
Using one instance that was basically common knowledge to balance out another 20 that went the opposite way of his whinings? Umm... Ok. Gotcha.
::)
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The point of posting that thread of skip giving props is what again......? Hell a lot more people on here said the same thing. This was not exactly a Miss Cleo type feat you know.
::)
Using one instance that was basically common knowledge to balance out another 20 that went the opposite way of his whinings? Umm... Ok. Gotcha.
::)
Just to show that people gave him credit for his prediction.
But I get it. 33 is "always" wrong, even when he's right, unless his prediction isn't in line with what most people predict. Except for the Speaker of the House.
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I don't recall the Speaker of the House posting here. Why you are bringing her up, I have no idea. And I suspect neither do you except for the need to say something... anything.
When did I say no one gave him credit for the 2010 midterms? Where did you manage to read/contrive that from? So again :
The point of posting that thread of skip giving props is what again......?
Then again, I don't recall anyone else predicting jail, pardons, dropping out, divorce, etc... either. Maybe you can find someone giving him props for that?
::)
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I don't recall the Speaker of the House posting here. Why you are bringing her up, I have no idea. And I suspect neither do you except for the need to say something... anything.
When did I say no one gave him credit for the 2010 midterms? Where did you manage to read/contrive that from? So again :
Then again, I don't recall anyone else predicting jail, pardons, dropping out, divorce, etc... either. Maybe you can find someone giving him props for that?
::)
lol. Dude. Give it rest. You win.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/13/ap-phone-records-government-intrusion-unprecedented_n_3268569.html
Unfucking real
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The only thing unfucking real is your nonstop whining and crying.
A strong dose of meds *might* can help you have a happy day once.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/13/ap-phone-records-government-intrusion-unprecedented_n_3268569.html
Unfucking real
There's nothing you would love more than to see than Obama led out of the white house in handcuffs haha :)
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There's nothing you would love more than to see than Obama led out of the white house in handcuffs haha :)
False - include michelle, the illegal aliens aunt and uncle, pelosi, feinstein, schumer, jarret, napolitano, holder, cummings, reid, an old wooden ship with a large section for steerage, oars, a refugee camp in kenya, and thats a good start.
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False - include michelle, the illegal aliens aunt and uncle, pelosi, feinstein, schumer, jarret, napolitano, holder, cummings, reid, an old wooden ship with a large section for steerage, oars, a refugee camp in kenya, and thats a good start.
Imagine having a few beers and wings with your buddies and seeing THAT unfold on the television!!
Talk about a time to fist pump, high 5 and celebrate!
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Imagine having a few beers and wings with your buddies and seeing THAT unfold on the television!!
Talk about a time to fist pump, high 5 and celebrate!
This is what I have in mind ha ha ha ha
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This is what I have in mind ha ha ha ha
Back and forth and back and forth!!!
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so people would impeach/remove BO and have in his place......
Biden??!!
really?
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so people would impeach/remove BO and have in his place......
Biden??!!
really?
We are not dealing with the brightest of the bunch here you know...
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so people would impeach/remove BO and have in his place......
Biden??!!
really?
That would hilarious ;D
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That's 3 in a row!
3 presidents, 3 serious talks of impeachment.
Nothing is going to happen here. OB will not be impeached anymore than Sherrif Joe and his posse of idiot followers will uncover incredible evidence proving once and for all OB is Kenyan born.
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Cancer on the presidency
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Cancer on the presidency
Agreed.
Last president to actually "Lead" was Reagan.
The last three have been whores.
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That's 3 in a row!
3 presidents, 3 serious talks of impeachment.
Nothing is going to happen here. OB will not be impeached anymore than Sherrif Joe and his posse of idiot followers will uncover incredible evidence proving once and for all OB is Kenyan born.
LOL! Nice.
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Agreed.
Last president to actually "Lead" was Reagan.
The last three have been whores.
reagan led for about 5 minutes. He was a tool of Bush1 pretty quickly, remember? his last 5 years in office, many experts and doctors agreed he was probably mentally not all there. Against mondale in debates in 84, he was clearly mentally impaired. See it here...
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Agreed.
Last president to actually "Lead" was Reagan.
The last three have been whores.
Iran Contra... Drugs to the hood
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Iran Contra... Drugs to the hood
Really no different from Obama then.
F&F > empowers cartels > push more drugs to the hood.
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Really no different from Obama then.
F&F > empowers cartels > push more drugs to the hood.
I agree....so......what are we talking about here?
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I agree....so......what are we talking about here?
We're talking about Obama. Try to keep up. I know you and other staunch Obama defenders like yourself love to derail any topic about your God-King but that's what this thread is about.
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We're talking about Obama. Try to keep up. I know you and other staunch Obama defenders like yourself love to derail any topic about your God-King but that's what this thread is about.
no... actually i was referring to Ozmo saying RR was a great president....So...yeah.. ..you try and keep up cha cha
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Iran Contra... Drugs to the hood
lol forgot about that. Was there serious talk of Impeachment?
But still, he did lead... cant say that for OB
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lol forgot about that. Was there serious talk of Impeachment?
But still, he did lead... cant say that for OB
ILL GIVE YOU THAT..
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lol forgot about that. Was there serious talk of Impeachment?
But still, he did lead... cant say that for OB
how did Reagan "lead" in ways that Obama has not
are you referring to how he "led/retreated" us out of Beruit after the marine barracks were bombed or was it something else
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http://www.businessinsider.com/jon-stewart-obama-irs-scandal-benghazi-daily-show-may-13-2013-5
LMFAO - Stewart goes on a rampage against OTWINK
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woah woah woah woah....
didnt i post a video from Stewart and you discounted it because of the source...
um...so....like.... in the name of CONSISTANCY....what the fuck?
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woah woah woah woah....
didnt i post a video from Stewart and you discounted it because of the source...
um...so....like.... in the name of CONSISTANCY....what the fuck?
When obama has lost John Stewart like this - you know its over for O-Twink
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When obama has lost John Stewart like this - you know its over for O-Twink
So...when Stewart agrees with you.. spot on...when he disagrees...hes not a credible source..
Well ill keep that in mind for the next Stewart vid i post that you try to discredit
and when you do...ill refer to this thread and put
Von Boom
German for.....Boom
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No - posting this to show that obama is losing everyone who once defended him as it is now plainly obvious obama is a liar, corrupt, and needs to go.
So...when Stewart agrees with you.. spot on...when he disagrees...hes not a credible source..
Well ill keep that in mind for the next Stewart vid i post that you try to discredit
and when you do...ill refer to this thread and put
Von Boom
German for.....Boom
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No - posting this to show that obama is losing everyone who once defended him as it is now plainly obvious obama is a liar, corrupt, and needs to go.
So... is Stewart right...Becareful with your answer
Wong Boom
Thats Korean for Boom
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So... is Stewart right...Becareful with your answer
Wong Boom
Thats Korean for Boom
LOL!!!!
Yes, he is right as is almost everyone who sees this for what it is - rank corruption. I know supporting corrupt politicians is no big thing to leftist marxists, but most people thankfully are not degenerates like that and are sickened by what obama is doing.
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LOL!!!!
Yes, he is right as is almost everyone who sees this for what it is - rank corruption. I know supporting corrupt politicians is no big thing to leftist marxists, but most people thankfully are not degenerates like that and are sickened by what obama is doing.
youve just opened pandoras box my little friend.
landslide coming
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youve just opened pandoras box my little friend.
landslide coming
HAAHAHAHA. Daily.
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Dana Milbank Opinion Writer
Obama, the uninterested president
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President Passerby needs urgently to become a participant in his presidency.
Late Monday came the breathtaking news of a full-frontal assault on the First Amendment by his administration: word that the Justice Department had gone on a fishing expedition through months of phone records of Associated Press reporters.
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And yet President Obama reacted much as he did to the equally astonishing revelation on Friday that the IRS had targeted conservative groups based on their ideology: He responded as though he were just some bloke on a bar stool, getting his information from the evening news.
In the phone-snooping case, Obama didn’t even stir from his stool. Instead, he had his press secretary, former Time magazine journalist Jay Carney, go before an incensed press corps Tuesday afternoon and explain why the president will not be involving himself in his Justice Department’s trampling of press freedoms.
“Other than press reports, we have no knowledge of any attempt by the Justice Department to seek phone records of the Associated Press,” Carney announced.
The president “found out about the news reports yesterday on the road,” he added.
And now that Obama has learned about this extraordinary abuse of power, he’s not doing a thing about it. “We are not involved at the White House in any decisions made in connection with ongoing criminal investigations,” Carney argued.
Reuters correspondent Jeff Mason asked how Obama felt about “being compared to President Nixon on this.”
The press secretary laughed. “People who make those kinds of comparisons need to check their history,” he said.
Carney had a point there. Nixon was a control freak. Obama seems to be the opposite: He wants no control over the actions of his administration. As the president distances himself from the actions of “independent” figures within his administration, he’s creating a power vacuum in which lower officials behave as though anything goes. Certainly, a president can’t know what everybody in his administration is up to — but he can take responsibility, he can fire people and he can call a stop to foolish actions such as wholesale snooping into reporters’ phone calls.
At the start of Tuesday’s briefing, the AP’s Jim Kuhnhenn pointed out that in all the controversies of the moment — the Benghazi “talking points,” the IRS targeting and the journalists’ phone records — “you have placed the burden of responsibility someplace else. . . . But it is the president’s administration.”
President Passerby, however, was not joining the fray. Carney repeated Obama’s assertion that the IRS’s actions would be outrageous only “if” they are true. Never mind that the IRS has already admitted the violations and apologized.
The press secretary said repeatedly that “we have to wait” for a formal report by the agency’s inspector general before the most powerful man in the world could take action. By contrast, Carney didn’t think it necessary to wait to assert that nobody in the White House knew about the IRS activities until “a few weeks ago.” (They apparently didn’t tell the boss about the matter until Friday.) Tuesday night, Obama issued a statement saying he had seen the I.G. report and directed Treasury Secretary Jack Lew “to hold those responsible for these failures accountable.”
The response to the deep-dive into AP phone records — more than 20 work, home and mobile phone lines in three cities over two months — also got the President Passerby response: “He cannot comment specifically on an ongoing criminal investigation or actions that investigators at the Department of Justice may or may not have taken.”
It didn’t matter to Carney that the Justice Department had already admitted the actions in a letter to the AP. “But we know it happened, just as the IRS admitted what it had done,” Fox News’s Wendell Goler protested.
“Again, it would be inappropriate to comment,” said Carney, one of the 42 times he used the words “appropriate” or “inappropriate” in his hour-long briefing. One of the few things Carney thought it appropriate to say was that Obama thinks the press should be “unfettered.”
NPR’s Ari Shapiro asked Carney to square Obama’s belief in an unfettered press with the fact that he has prosecuted twice as many leakers as all previous administrations combined.
Carney said Obama’s love of press freedom “is backed up by his support for a media shield law.” This would be the shield law that died in Congress in 2010 because of Obama’s objections.
Alexis Simendinger, from RealClearPolitics, challenged Carney to harmonize his refusal to meddle in an “ongoing investigation” with Obama’s comments on the Trayvon Martin case last year, when a Justice Department investigation was ongoing.
“Come on,” Carney replied with scorn, repeating the excuse that “we have no knowledge” of the phone snooping “beyond the press reports that we’ve read.”
And that’s just the problem.
Twitter: @Milbank
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Could be the Bengazi whistleblowers or someother corruption, but this administration might end before this clowns second term is up. I know high school governments that could.run this country better.
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