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Yep, they want to lower the limit, could this be a money thing? Or is it a safety thing?
http://jalopnik.com/federal-agency-wants-to-lower-the-drunk-driving-limit-f-505807259 (http://jalopnik.com/federal-agency-wants-to-lower-the-drunk-driving-limit-f-505807259)
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Its a money thing...Everyone should just refuse to blow, get a lawyer and plead guilty to reckless driving. .05 is basically one drink for most people within an hour...
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Yep, they want to lower the limit, could this be a money thing? Or is it a safety thing?
http://jalopnik.com/federal-agency-wants-to-lower-the-drunk-driving-limit-f-505807259 (http://jalopnik.com/federal-agency-wants-to-lower-the-drunk-driving-limit-f-505807259)
If it happens looks like alot of more whores are going to jail.
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of course it's a money thing, they just want to be able to arrest more people and hand out more tickets. i sincerely have trouble believing the feds actually care about public safety.
let's be realistic, the impediment a beer or two has on a fully grown adult is negligible at best. hell the only time i've ever had an accident was when i was completely sober (albeit pretty sleep-deprived).
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Its a money thing...Everyone should just refuse to blow, get a lawyer and plead guilty to reckless driving. .05 is basically one drink for most people within an hour...
can you actually do that? i had no idea. any more info?
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I am for it
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Given that I have a commercial license, my BAC, wether I'm driving my work truck or a commercial vehicle my personal vehicle, is point 04. Definitely makes you thinkSafert and be more responsible.
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Totally a money thing. Not a lot of people getting killed by drivers between .01 and .08. It his the high BA that is deadly. I actually heard a study that the numbers in alcohol related crashes are highly inflated. Only about 400 people a year die directly caused by alcohol crash. Still too many but much lower than the man would have you think.
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Totally a money thing. Not a lot of people getting killed by drivers between .01 and .08. It his the high BA that is deadly. I actually heard a study that the numbers in alcohol related crashes are highly inflated. Only about 400 people a year die directly caused by alcohol crash. Still too many but much lower than the man would have you think.
yeah but how many die caused by stupid shit like texting or just general bad driving?
i dont condone drunk driving, but i do believe someone who is a good driver can still be a good driver while somewhat impaired, and that buzzed driving is overhyped by the media. people do it all the time and most don't have accidents. i mean, what the fuck are you supposed to do, get a taxi and pay 40 bucks every night you go out? fuck that shit.
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Let them lower it in half then report the stats after say 12-24 months then either leave it or go back to the level it is at now
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red lights should scramble/block cell signals.
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yeah but how many die caused by stupid shit like texting or just general bad driving?
i dont condone drunk driving, but i do believe someone who is a good driver can still be a good driver while somewhat impaired, and that buzzed driving is overhyped by the media. people do it all the time and most don't have accidents. i mean, what the fuck are you supposed to do, get a taxi and pay 40 bucks every night you go out? fuck that shit.
Agree with all of this.
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That's what the limit is here in Alberta. .05. One drink and I'd be arrested.
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I don't really care much for the BAC threshold when it comes to this unless it is outrageously high. Show me evidence of poor driving. Show me video tape of outright impairment.
Dude can have 2 beers, is driving PERFECTLY but has a .051 when passing through a checkpoint and that calls for thousands of dollars in fines and a mark on his permanent record? That's not the type of country/police state I care to live in.
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yeah but how many die caused by stupid shit like texting or just general bad driving?
i dont condone drunk driving, but i do believe someone who is a good driver can still be a good driver while somewhat impaired, and that buzzed driving is overhyped by the media. people do it all the time and most don't have accidents. i mean, what the fuck are you supposed to do, get a taxi and pay 40 bucks every night you go out? fuck that shit.
The last part, in my area you literally trip over cabs, because the downtown area is bar-city...and a money maker for cops, due to people NOT getting cabs because they drunk.
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can you actually do that? i had no idea. any more info?
yes but Reckless driving is also loss of license...
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Let them lower it in half then report the stats after say 12-24 months then either leave it or go back to the level it is at now
States never go backward...Too much money to make. Now cops can pull over anyone leaving a restaurant and if they had a couple of drinks during dinner, they may blow over the limit. It's a total money grab. I wouldn't doubt if attorney lobbyist are also behind it. Lowering the limit will effect women more than men...
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Let them lower it in half then report the stats after say 12-24 months then either leave it or go back to the level it is at now
that would never fly. once it's lowered, there ain't a politician on the planet who would be able to promote RAISING the limit. it's like how the legal age was pumped up to 21 thanks to reagan holding infrastructure money hostage against any states that refused to comply with the national minimum drinking act (which only popped up thanks to immense pressure from MADD). everyone knew it was bullshit, but once it got passed you'd never find a politician willing to stick his neck out for his opponents to accuse him of encouraging teenagers to drink.
if they lowered it to 0.5, it'd stay there. period. which means you could be 100% sober but if a cop claims you were swerving and you got metered at 0.6 thanks to having a single beer an hour before, now you have a DUI on your record. because that's how justice works.
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that would never fly. once it's lowered, there ain't a politician on the planet who would be able to promote RAISING the limit. it's like how the legal age was pumped up to 21 thanks to reagan holding infrastructure money hostage against any states that refused to comply with the national minimum drinking act (which only popped up thanks to immense pressure from MADD). everyone knew it was bullshit, but once it got passed you'd never find a politician willing to stick his neck out for his opponents to accuse him of encouraging teenagers to drink.
if they lowered it to 0.5, it'd stay there. period. which means you could be 100% sober but if a cop claims you were swerving and you got metered at 0.6 thanks to having a single beer an hour before, now you have a DUI on your record. because that's how justice works.
Plus, wait until the increased revenue streams come in to the state/local governments, police overtime, plentiful work for lawyers and judges, more people going to jail....it will be a dollar bonanza. No way they raise it back up.
It's about money, period.
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Plus, wait until the increased revenue streams come in to the state/local governments, police overtime, plentiful work for lawyers and judges, more people going to jail....it will be a dollar bonanza. No way they raise it back up.
It's about money, period.
the US judicial system is a money racket, plain and simple.
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Too many retards on the road as it is. Couple that with cell phones and texting. Even 1 drink is too much for these assholes.
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that would never fly. once it's lowered, there ain't a politician on the planet who would be able to promote RAISING the limit. it's like how the legal age was pumped up to 21 thanks to reagan holding infrastructure money hostage against any states that refused to comply with the national minimum drinking act (which only popped up thanks to immense pressure from MADD). everyone knew it was bullshit, but once it got passed you'd never find a politician willing to stick his neck out for his opponents to accuse him of encouraging teenagers to drink.
if they lowered it to 0.5, it'd stay there. period. which means you could be 100% sober but if a cop claims you were swerving and you got metered at 0.6 thanks to having a single beer an hour before, now you have a DUI on your record. because that's how justice works.
True with Reagan but if memory serves me correct Clinton was instrumental with having it lowered to .08 by threatening to withhold highway construction money.
My whole issue with the BAC threshold is mistakes happen with blood/breath testing and it's not an exact science by ANY stretch. There has been a case in Texas and another in Mass I believe of outright falsification of blood tests by lab workers. Over 5000 false results in Texas and not sure about Mass but it was a huge clusterfuck as well. It's an out right injustice to have that on your record because some asshole in a lab is fucking with the results.
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yes but Reckless driving is also loss of license...
mm, still beats a DUI i guess, in my state i believe that stays on your record permanently. but idk what the reckless driving consequences are. warrants more research
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the US judicial system is a money racket, plain and simple.
Exactly that's why they are lowering the limit more tickets and court cases more money.
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Too many retards on the road as it is. Couple that with cell phones and texting. Even 1 drink is too much for these assholes.
what they should do...is stop worrying so much about impaired driving and raise the aptitude standards for driving licenses. i live in a college town and see 12 idiots on the roads every day that have no business being behind the wheel of anything except a Tonka truck. too fucking stupid to pass? tough shit, get a vespa.
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Plus, wait until the increased revenue streams come in to the state/local governments, police overtime, plentiful work for lawyers and judges, more people going to jail....it will be a dollar bonanza. No way they raise it back up.
It's about money, period.
exactly. DUI fines are over a grand for a first offense, not even taking into account the repeat offenders. the amount of money this would pump into law firms, prisons, and counties would be immense. defense attorneys would love this shit to pieces.
True with Reagan but if memory serves me correct Clinton was instrumental with having it lowered to .08 by threatening to withhold highway construction money.
My whole issue with the BAC threshold is mistakes happen with blood/breath testing and it's not an exact science by ANY stretch. There has been a case in Texas and another in Mass I believe of outright falsification of blood tests by lab works. Over 5000 false results in Texas and not sure about Mass but it was a huge clusterfuck as well. It's an out right injustice to have that on your record because some asshole in a lab is fucking with the results.
the .08 thing gradually rolled out over the years. i'm in PA and it wasn't until 2003 that they adopted the 0.08 limit, well after the Clinton era. that was more public pressure from MADD/SADD and what have you.
breathalyzer tests are bullshit as well because different people have different tolerances. a heavy drinker might be able to pass a field test flawlessly at 0.15%, but a college binge drinker who only touches booze twice a month would be on his ass at under 0.10. it's been shown that alcoholics are far more functioning at high BACs just because their bodies are used to it. not that i'm encouraging alcoholism, but it just shows that using BAC as a metric for drunkenness is like using BMI as a metric for health.
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mm, still beats a DUI i guess, in my state i believe that stays on your record permanently. but idk what the reckless driving consequences are. warrants more research
depends on the state and what you were doing. the problem is that if you get in a crash it's impossible to really "prove" what you were doing wrong if it's something other than drinking. t-bone a guy at an intersection because you ran a red and unless you outright tell the cops "well i was reading getbig on my iPhone..." all they know is that you did something retarded and you'll just be liable for damages.
meanwhile let's say you're driving at 0.10 in a straight line at the speed limit but then someone pulls out of their driveway directly in front of you with no way for you to have seen it coming. guess who's fucked royal now? you had the booze in your system, nevermind that it wasn't your fault, so now not only are you in a lot of trouble but now that's about to get put in the books as another drunk driving statistic.
note: i do NOT drive drunk. if i'm having more than a handful it means either i didn't drive or i'm taking the party to someone's house. my cousin landed in a coma after a drunk driving accident and i'll be damned if i or anyone i know ever does something that stupid, but at the same time i think the laws are far too draconian.
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Exactly that's why they are lowering the limit more tickets and court cases more money.
It's huge, just like the MIC.
Prisons, cops, judges, lawyers, overtime payments, contractors, equipment manufacturers, local revenue streams, state revenue streams....
It's a lot of fucking money.
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I love drunk drivers. I encourage drunk drivers. I hate the pigs and the insurance companies that tell the pigs what to do.
Drink and drive!!!
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depends on the state and what you were doing. the problem is that if you get in a crash it's impossible to really "prove" what you were doing wrong if it's something other than drinking. t-bone a guy at an intersection because you ran a red and unless you outright tell the cops "well i was reading getbig on my iPhone..." all they know is that you did something retarded and you'll just be liable for damages.
meanwhile let's say you're driving at 0.10 in a straight line at the speed limit but then someone pulls out of their driveway directly in front of you with no way for you to have seen it coming. guess who's fucked royal now? you had the booze in your system, nevermind that it wasn't your fault, so now not only are you in a lot of trouble but now that's about to get put in the books as another drunk driving statistic.
note: i do NOT drive drunk. if i'm having more than a handful it means either i didn't drive or i'm taking the party to someone's house. my cousin landed in a coma after a drunk driving accident and i'll be damned if i or anyone i know ever does something that stupid, but at the same time i think the laws are far too draconian.
true. i just didn't realize you had the option to decline taking a breathalyzer test. i really don't know shit about arrest rights.
the one time i was in a wreck i was sober but i could have easily been drunk and they didn't bother testing me, since i'm assuming i didn't look impaired in any way.
dui checkpoints are a different matter though.
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true. i just didn't realize you had the option to decline taking a breathalyzer test. i really don't know shit about arrest rights.
the one time i was in a wreck i was sober but i could have easily been drunk and they didn't bother testing me, since i'm assuming i didn't look impaired in any way.
dui checkpoints are a different matter though.
i think in some states if you refuse the breathalyzer test they can arrest you for DUI on the spot. meaning you could be stone sober but refuse to blow the meter and get a DUI anyway. i don't know off the top of my head and i'm wasting too much time on the board today anyway. :P
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It's huge, just like the MIC.
Prisons, cops, judges, lawyers, overtime payments, contractors, equipment manufacturers, local revenue streams, state revenue streams....
It's a lot of fucking money.
This ^. At .08 you are not drunk just a buzz going on I guess it will get to a point where you can't even drive to a bar a mile away. I understand that alot of people have been killed by drunk drivers but those people mostly were way over .08. Wonder what Russia's limit is?
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on the flip side, theres the "asian flush" syndrome.
These guys are getting off easy since they get wasted just looking at booze
speak on this asians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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In NYS...if you refuse to blow then you lose your drivers license for 1 yr( don't see this as a problem as it's a privilege to drive not a right). Drive sober or STFU
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Great, now I can no longer Buzz Driving......I can kiss my 12 pack goodbye now on Saturday nights.... >:( >:( >:(
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turning more and more people into criminals..
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the US judicial system = Oxymoron
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This ^. At .08 you are not drunk just a buzz going on I guess it will get to a point where you can't even drive to a bar a mile away. I understand that alot of people have been killed by drunk drivers but those people mostly were way over .08. Wonder what Russia's limit is?
lmao. driving laws in russia are almost non-existent.
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Its a money thing...Everyone should just refuse to blow, get a lawyer and plead guilty to reckless driving. .05 is basically one drink for most people within an hour...
Thats asking alot from most Getbiggers.
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In NYS...if you refuse to blow then you lose your drivers license for 1 yr( don't see this as a problem as it's a privilege to drive not a right). Drive sober or STFU
oh it's a "privilege" to get to work and be a productive citizen but it's a RIGHT to have the government to force me to pay for healthcare?
gtfo with your soapbox
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that would never fly. once it's lowered, there ain't a politician on the planet who would be able to promote RAISING the limit. it's like how the legal age was pumped up to 21 thanks to reagan holding infrastructure money hostage against any states that refused to comply with the national minimum drinking act (which only popped up thanks to immense pressure from MADD). everyone knew it was bullshit, but once it got passed you'd never find a politician willing to stick his neck out for his opponents to accuse him of encouraging teenagers to drink.
if they lowered it to 0.5, it'd stay there. period. which means you could be 100% sober but if a cop claims you were swerving and you got metered at 0.6 thanks to having a single beer an hour before, now you have a DUI on your record. because that's how justice works.
There's no way you would blow. 06 after an hour on a single beer
We've had. 05 here for years and it's helped a bit
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Update, the White House is not going for that...
http://www.autospies.com/news/White-House-Steps-Back-From-One-Drink-DUI-Requirements-76129/ (http://www.autospies.com/news/White-House-Steps-Back-From-One-Drink-DUI-Requirements-76129/)
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oh it's a "privilege" to get to work and be a productive citizen but it's a RIGHT to have the government to force me to pay for healthcare?
gtfo with your soapbox
yes it is a privilege to drive..ever hear of public transportation f***wad
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oh it's a "privilege" to get to work and be a productive citizen but it's a RIGHT to have the government to force me to pay for healthcare?
gtfo with your soapbox
Driving is no right. If you need to get to work, ride the bus, ride a bike, ride a scooter, ride a motorcycle....and even then, you have to have a license for a motorcycle. But in some states, not a scooter.
Now, in Germany, it is a lot harder to get your license than it is in the US. Which is why, we have crappy driving skills compared to Germany.
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yes it is a privilege to drive..ever hear of public transportation f***wad
public transportation is for the niggs and the poors
also go fuck yourself
i do think vespas are a good idea though parker, it would cut down on bad drivers
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In Brazil it's 0,0.
It's all about money and giving the government power to turn citizens into criminals.
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A lot of wacky information here. In most states refusing to take a breathalyzer carries the same penalty as drunk driving. In NJ you get a double penalty. You get charged with drunk driving without the breathalyzer and since there is implied consent as a condition of your license you also get charged with refusal.
The three proofs you need are impairment, impairment due to drugs or alcohol and proof of operation of the vehicle.
There is a question of tolerance but they have to have a standard. Everyone is impaired at .08 to drive.
The real way getbig way to get rid of drunk drivers is to out law parking lots at establishments that serve alcohol. If drinking and driving is frowned upon then why does almost every bar have a parking lot?
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A lot of wacky information here. In most states refusing to take a breathalyzer carries the same penalty as drunk driving. In NJ you get a double penalty. You get charged with drunk driving without the breathalyzer and since there is implied consent as a condition of your license you also get charged with refusal.
The three proofs you need are impairment, impairment due to drugs or alcohol and proof of operation of the vehicle.
There is a question of tolerance but they have to have a standard. Everyone is impaired at .08 to drive.
The real way getbig way to get rid of drunk drivers is to out law parking lots at establishments that serve alcohol. If drinking and driving is frowned upon then why does almost every bar have a parking lot?
i just talked to my cop friend the other day and he told me as long as you say "i refuse to take any tests without council" they can't do shit to you. your lawyer will let you spend the night in holding to sober up and take it from there.
i guess it varies by state though. in mine apparently if you refuse, that means you don't get a DUI but automatic suspension for one year, although the lawyer can challenge this.
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In NJ you have no right to an attorney counsel regarding taking the breath test. It's implied consent law. If you refuse to take the breath test and the refusal carries the same or greater penalty why bother refusing. You could only beat a refusal if can show the cop did something wrong. Good luck with that unless you live in hillbilly land.
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in sweden it's 0.2
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Let them lower it in half then report the stats after say 12-24 months then either leave it or go back to the level it is at now
smart guy, arce!