NTSB wants to lower Drunk Driving limit to .05

[Parker]

Yep, they want to lower the limit, could this be a money thing? Or is it a safety thing?
http://jalopnik.com/federal-agency-wants-to-lower-the-drunk-driving-limit-f-505807259

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Its a money thing...Everyone should just refuse to blow, get a lawyer and plead guilty to reckless driving. .05 is basically one drink for most people within an hour...

[Mr Nobody]

Yep, they want to lower the limit, could this be a money thing? Or is it a safety thing?
http://jalopnik.com/federal-agency-wants-to-lower-the-drunk-driving-limit-f-505807259

If it happens looks like alot of more whores are going to jail.

[deadpan]

of course it's a money thing, they just want to be able to arrest more people and hand out more tickets. i sincerely have trouble believing the feds actually care about public safety.

let's be realistic, the impediment a beer or two has on a fully grown adult is negligible at best. hell the only time i've ever had an accident was when i was completely sober (albeit pretty sleep-deprived).

[deadpan]

Its a money thing...Everyone should just refuse to blow, get a lawyer and plead guilty to reckless driving. .05 is basically one drink for most people within an hour...

can you actually do that? i had no idea. any more info?

[arce1988]

  I am for it

[YoungBlood]

Given that I have a commercial license, my BAC, wether I'm driving my work truck or a commercial vehicle my personal vehicle, is point 04. Definitely makes you thinkSafert and be more responsible.

[calfzilla]

Totally a money thing. Not a lot of people getting killed by drivers between .01 and .08. It his the high BA that is deadly. I actually heard a study that the numbers in alcohol related crashes are highly inflated. Only about 400 people a year die directly caused by alcohol crash. Still too many but much lower than the man would have you think.

[deadpan]

Totally a money thing. Not a lot of people getting killed by drivers between .01 and .08. It his the high BA that is deadly. I actually heard a study that the numbers in alcohol related crashes are highly inflated. Only about 400 people a year die directly caused by alcohol crash. Still too many but much lower than the man would have you think.

yeah but how many die caused by stupid shit like texting or just general bad driving?

i dont condone drunk driving, but i do believe someone who is a good driver can still be a good driver while somewhat impaired, and that buzzed driving is overhyped by the media. people do it all the time and most don't have accidents. i mean, what the fuck are you supposed to do, get a taxi and pay 40 bucks every night you go out? fuck that shit.

[arce1988]

  Let them lower it in half     then report the stats after say 12-24 months    then either leave it or go back to the level it is at now

[240 is Back]

red lights should scramble/block cell signals.

[calfzilla]

yeah but how many die caused by stupid shit like texting or just general bad driving?

i dont condone drunk driving, but i do believe someone who is a good driver can still be a good driver while somewhat impaired, and that buzzed driving is overhyped by the media. people do it all the time and most don't have accidents. i mean, what the fuck are you supposed to do, get a taxi and pay 40 bucks every night you go out? fuck that shit.

Agree with all of this.

[BikiniSlut]

That's what the limit is here in Alberta. .05. One drink and I'd be arrested.

[polychronopolous]

I don't really care much for the BAC threshold when it comes to this unless it is outrageously high. Show me evidence of poor driving. Show me video tape of outright impairment.

Dude can have 2 beers, is driving PERFECTLY but has a .051 when passing through a checkpoint and that calls for thousands of dollars in fines and a mark on his permanent record? That's not the type of country/police state I care to live in.

[Parker]

yeah but how many die caused by stupid shit like texting or just general bad driving?

i dont condone drunk driving, but i do believe someone who is a good driver can still be a good driver while somewhat impaired, and that buzzed driving is overhyped by the media. people do it all the time and most don't have accidents. i mean, what the fuck are you supposed to do, get a taxi and pay 40 bucks every night you go out? fuck that shit.

The last part, in my area you literally trip over cabs, because the downtown area is bar-city...and a money maker for cops, due to people NOT getting cabs because they drunk.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

can you actually do that? i had no idea. any more info?

yes but Reckless driving is also loss of license...

[The Abdominal Snoman]

 Let them lower it in half     then report the stats after say 12-24 months    then either leave it or go back to the level it is at now

States never go backward...Too much money to make. Now cops can pull over anyone leaving a restaurant and if they had a couple of drinks during dinner, they may blow over the limit. It's a total money grab. I wouldn't doubt if attorney lobbyist are also behind it. Lowering the limit will effect women more than men...

[MisterMagoo]

  Let them lower it in half     then report the stats after say 12-24 months    then either leave it or go back to the level it is at now

that would never fly. once it's lowered, there ain't a politician on the planet who would be able to promote RAISING the limit. it's like how the legal age was pumped up to 21 thanks to reagan holding infrastructure money hostage against any states that refused to comply with the national minimum drinking act (which only popped up thanks to immense pressure from MADD). everyone knew it was bullshit, but once it got passed you'd never find a politician willing to stick his neck out for his opponents to accuse him of encouraging teenagers to drink.

if they lowered it to 0.5, it'd stay there. period. which means you could be 100% sober but if a cop claims you were swerving and you got metered at 0.6 thanks to having a single beer an hour before, now you have a DUI on your record. because that's how justice works.

[GigantorX]

that would never fly. once it's lowered, there ain't a politician on the planet who would be able to promote RAISING the limit. it's like how the legal age was pumped up to 21 thanks to reagan holding infrastructure money hostage against any states that refused to comply with the national minimum drinking act (which only popped up thanks to immense pressure from MADD). everyone knew it was bullshit, but once it got passed you'd never find a politician willing to stick his neck out for his opponents to accuse him of encouraging teenagers to drink.

if they lowered it to 0.5, it'd stay there. period. which means you could be 100% sober but if a cop claims you were swerving and you got metered at 0.6 thanks to having a single beer an hour before, now you have a DUI on your record. because that's how justice works.

Plus, wait until the increased revenue streams come in to the state/local governments, police overtime, plentiful work for lawyers and judges, more people going to jail....it will be a dollar bonanza. No way they raise it back up.

It's about money, period.

[Parker]

Plus, wait until the increased revenue streams come in to the state/local governments, police overtime, plentiful work for lawyers and judges, more people going to jail....it will be a dollar bonanza. No way they raise it back up.

It's about money, period.

the US judicial system is a money racket, plain and simple.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Too many retards on the road as it is.  Couple that with cell phones and texting.  Even 1 drink is too much for these assholes.

[polychronopolous]

that would never fly. once it's lowered, there ain't a politician on the planet who would be able to promote RAISING the limit. it's like how the legal age was pumped up to 21 thanks to reagan holding infrastructure money hostage against any states that refused to comply with the national minimum drinking act (which only popped up thanks to immense pressure from MADD). everyone knew it was bullshit, but once it got passed you'd never find a politician willing to stick his neck out for his opponents to accuse him of encouraging teenagers to drink.

if they lowered it to 0.5, it'd stay there. period. which means you could be 100% sober but if a cop claims you were swerving and you got metered at 0.6 thanks to having a single beer an hour before, now you have a DUI on your record. because that's how justice works.

True with Reagan but if memory serves me correct Clinton was instrumental with having it lowered to .08 by threatening to withhold highway construction money.

My whole issue with the BAC threshold is mistakes happen with blood/breath testing and it's not an exact science by ANY stretch. There has been a case in Texas and another in Mass I believe of outright falsification of blood tests by lab workers. Over 5000 false results in Texas and not sure about Mass but it was a huge clusterfuck as well. It's an out right injustice to have that on your record because some asshole in a lab is fucking with the results.

[deadpan]

yes but Reckless driving is also loss of license...

mm, still beats a DUI i guess, in my state i believe that stays on your record permanently. but idk what the reckless driving consequences are. warrants more research

[Mr Nobody]

the US judicial system is a money racket, plain and simple.

Exactly that's why they are lowering the limit more tickets and court cases more money.

[deadpan]

Too many retards on the road as it is.  Couple that with cell phones and texting.  Even 1 drink is too much for these assholes.

what they should do...is stop worrying so much about impaired driving and raise the aptitude standards for driving licenses. i live in a college town and see 12 idiots on the roads every day that have no business being behind the wheel of anything except a Tonka truck. too fucking stupid to pass? tough shit, get a vespa.