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http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/15/joe-biden-sees-no-legal-problem-with-taxing-violent-video-games
Joe Biden Sees No Legal Problem with Taxing Violent Video Games
There would be “no restriction on the ability to do that"
by Lucy O'Brien MAY 14, 2013
At a gun legislation strategy meeting held at the White House recently, United States Vice President Joe Biden suggested there would be "no legal reason" why taxing violent media, including video games, would be an issue. This taxing of any kind of "violent images" could, of course, extend to film and television, as well.
The Vice President's declaration came in response to a suggestion made by Reverend Franklin Graham, who attended the meeting alongside 19 other religious leaders. According to Politico.com, attendees at the meeting said that Biden responded favourably to the Reverend's idea, going so far as to say there would be “no restriction on the ability to do that, there’s no legal reason why they couldn't."
It was suggested by Graham that proceeds of the tax would go towards victims of gun violence and their families, according to the website's sources.
As Geek.com correctly notes, this sort of concern is nothing new. The Obama Administration has funded research into the effects of violent video games on young people following the Sandy Hook tragedy, and is a common theme in the wake of any major national tragedy. At this point there's no indication that Graham's suggestion will come to fruition, with Vice President Biden eventually concluding that a study should be made on the effects violent video games have on developing brains.
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Tyranny ahead, caution.
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all the pussy suburbanite parents and conservatives who see videogames as some evil thing will love this.
eventually it will be their turn, though.
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all the pussy suburbanite parents and conservatives who see videogames as some evil thing will love this.
eventually it will be their turn, though.
Exactly. Another Strange "issue" where loony Liberals and Nutso Right Wing Conservatives agree on.
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Biden is a clown and their gun measures failed so they have to claim some hollow victory and justify their jobs
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quit voting for fucking christian/catlick baby rapist supporters.
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Silly, and near impossible to delineate, or implement. Just hot air.
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Maybe we should have another Congressional investigation into baseball and violent video games, making Biden's friends wealthy.
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Will they also be taxing violent movies, books and comics?
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They already have an age restriction on violent games. Why the hell would they tax the adults then? There is going to be another Boston Tea Party, if shit like this keeps happening.
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Good point.
That is why we need limited government...so they perform necessary functions for society without over-reaching and infringing on our freedoms. Limiting their power (no matter who is in charge, liberals and right wing fringe nuts) limits their ability to take our freedoms away. Overburdening government is why many of our forefathers came to America, yet in the past decade more people (that haven't experienced oppression) are nudging government in that direction. Think people, be careful what you ask for.
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people voted for obama to a second term people dont want a limited government
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people voted for obama to a second term people dont want a limited government
He will not be elected again only two terms, but has helped alot of Afro Americans which is good.
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This country is getting more and more weird. We just need to bomb ourselves and start over from scratch. Wasn't this country supposed to be for the people and freedom?
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all the pussy suburbanite parents and conservatives who see videogames as some evil thing will love this.
eventually it will be their turn, though.
This is the best point in thread. There is not one person that never does anything others would object to.
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He will not be elected again only two terms, but has helped alot of Afro Americans which is good.
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They are poorer and more indebted than they have been in many years.
But they get more food stamps now I guess... ::)
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wont happen: they would be targeting their own supporters...
especially will not happen to hollywood
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I do not agree with using the tax code to target and punish things because you don't like them. This should be illegal.
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eventually it will be their turn, though.
this
It's like I've told people that support some of the phaggot legislation restricting various consumptions...one of these days the object being regulated will be something you like, then you'll cry like Arvilla when Laura Lee got her butt smoked by Grant.
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Don`t think its Just Joe Biden. Republicans HATE HATE HATE video games:
http://www.policymic.com/articles/23436/gun-violence-solution-tax-violent-video-games
Gun Violence Solution: Tax Violent Video Games
GOP Rep. Diane Franklin of rural Camdenton, Missouri has an idea for reducing gun violence: a 1% sales tax on violent video games in response to the deadly Sandy Hook shootings,
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Don`t think its Just Joe Biden. Republicans HATE HATE HATE video games:
someone earlier mentioned that there are some things that bring the fringes of both sides together
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someone earlier mentioned that there are some things that bring the fringes of both sides together
I did.
http://kotaku.com/5982842/oh-come-on-67-of-polled-voters-say-video-games-are-a-bigger-threat-to-safety-than-guns
Video Games Are 'A Bigger Problem Than Guns,' Says Actual U.S. Senator
On MSNBC today, U.S. senator Lamar Alexander (a Tennessee Republican) set a new benchmark for insanity by claiming that games are worse than guns
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http://kotaku.com/5982842/oh-come-on-67-of-polled-voters-say-video-games-are-a-bigger-threat-to-safety-than-guns
Only Republican voters were asked the video games question
What do you think is a bigger safety threat in America: guns or violent video games?
Guns ........................ ........................ ............... 14%
Video games ........................ ........................ ... 67%
Not sure ........................ ........................ .......... 19%
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National Rifle Association CEO and executive vice president Wayne LaPierre was also quick to blame violent video games for the events at the Sandy Hook, after it was found that shooter Adam Lanza may have played video games like "Call of Duty" and "Starcraft."
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Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said Wednesday that Congress may be forced to take action to limit video game violence.
Speaking to an audience of around 500 in San Francisco, Feinstein, who led the charge in the Senate on an assault weapons ban, said the video game industry should take voluntary steps to make sure it does not glorify guns in the wake of the December mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. She added that if the industry does not, Congress is prepared to take action, according to the Associated Press.
Feinstein said that video games play, "a very negative role for young people, and the industry ought to take note of that."
"If Sandy Hook doesn't do it ... then maybe we have to proceed, but that is in the future," she added.
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He will not be elected again only two terms, but has helped alot of Afro Americans which is good.
agreed hope he gets a 3rd term for the Afro-American sake
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all things aside, joe biden is a hilarious person.
and nah i dont think americas gun homicide leevels have much to do with video games.
dont you have vat in the usa? ???
No VAT, but some Republicans support it. VALUE ADDED TAX
Value-added tax has some GOP backers - The Hill's On The Money
http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/95533-value-added-tax-has-some-republican-allies-in-congress
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isnt it ironic, coming from the gop?
be glad you dont have it, its plain and simple theft-extortion
I know it is. I mark everything with a low value so people don`t have to pay VAT on expensive antiquities when I send overseas and even in Canada.
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Do violent single person shooter video games desensitize children to violence? Yes.
That doesn't mean that taxing or banning video games is an appropriate solution to mass murder.
Raise your kids properly and get them help if they are mentally ill. If someone shoots at you, shoot back.
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Do violent single person shooter video games desensitize children to violence? Yes.
That doesn't mean that taxing or banning video games is an appropriate solution to mass murder.
Raise your kids properly and get them help if they are mentally ill. If someone shoots at you, shoot back.
bullshit.
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all taxation is theft - Josiah Warren
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In spite of the proliferation of violent video games and movies, 80+ million gun owners, plummeting morals, Generation Nothingness, decreases of whites as a percentage of entire US population, rap videos, drug cartel violence, drug use, and prostitution THE VIOLENT CRIME RATES IN THE UNITED STATES HAVE CONTINUED TO BE ON A STEEP DOWNWARD TREND. In fact, murder rates are at their lowest since 1910.
Once and for all, here are the facts:
- Depictions of gratuitous violence within media outlets DO NOT lead to increased rates of murder or violence.
- Gun ownership DOES NOT lead to increased murder and violent crime rates.
- Increasing taxes DOES NOT influence behavior regarding product or service taxed, good or bad.
- Increasing number of Americans holding non-religious views DOES NOT lead to more crime or immoral behaviors.
- Religious institutions DO NOT of themselves help cause more violent crime.
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This country is getting more and more weird. We just need to bomb ourselves and start over from scratch. Wasn't this country supposed to be for the people and freedom?
Same here.
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http://kotaku.com/5982842/oh-come-on-67-of-polled-voters-say-video-games-are-a-bigger-threat-to-safety-than-guns
Only Republican voters were asked the video games question
What do you think is a bigger safety threat in America: guns or violent video games?
Guns ........................ ........................ ............... 14%
Video games ........................ ........................ ... 67%
Not sure ........................ ........................ .......... 19%
well it has to be something, after all rock and rolll music didnt destroy the country decades ago, our entire 'youth' didnt commit suicide or turn satanic from heavy metal or playing Dungeons and Dragons, people getting more and more tattoos and piercings didnt turn the country inside out, TV is far to ingrained in the culture/general population to be targeted, so they turn to something that is just enough out of their own cultural norm to seem threatening.
funny i have family members with the same attitude about 'evil games', yet teaching violent, tribal us against them behavior in the sports they play (along with bad sportmanship like 'taking out' a good player on the opposing team) is just fine.
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VIDEO GAMES- serious business.
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In spite of the proliferation of violent video games and movies, 80+ million gun owners, plummeting morals, Generation Nothingness, decreases of whites as a percentage of entire US population, rap videos, drug cartel violence, drug use, and prostitution THE VIOLENT CRIME RATES IN THE UNITED STATES HAVE CONTINUED TO BE ON A STEEP DOWNWARD TREND. In fact, murder rates are at their lowest since 1910.
Once and for all, here are the facts:
- Depictions of gratuitous violence within media outlets DO NOT lead to increased rates of murder or violence.
- Gun ownership DOES NOT lead to increased murder and violent crime rates.
- Increasing taxes DOES NOT influence behavior regarding product or service taxed, good or bad.
- Increasing number of Americans holding non-religious views DOES NOT lead to more crime or immoral behaviors.
- Religious institutions DO NOT of themselves help cause more violent crime.
Probably because many of the mentally unstable folks who would have went out and committed all these crimes are just content with staying home and playing video games all day.
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Exactly. Another Strange "issue" where loony Liberals and Nutso Right Wing Conservatives agree on.
They agree on it because it's an easy target and, like the PED witch hunt, a big red herring (what changes in this country if some jackoff pro baseball player is tested for steroids regularly?).
It wouldn't be so bad if the plebs weren't easily swayed by bullshit arguments like "so-and-so is violent, and he liked violent videogames; therefore, even if we can't prove videogames made him shoot up a crowd of people, it certainly didn't help!" The masses will buy into almost anything with such a sufficiently tenuous, even questionable correlation so long as it's an emotionally-charged issue. Introduce kids into the mix, and BAM: it's more than likely the majority of Americans will hitch their wagon to the idea, even if they can't even explain why they support it.
The whole second-hand smoke thing isn't all that different. Of course it's gross and it's obvious to any sane human being that, over time, inhaling even something much more diffuse than what makes most smokers him/herself sick simply cannot be good for you. Just the same, the people who conducted the research which suggests SHS is such a menace cherry-picked their data something fierce. One of my favorite vloggers, Krissiespeaks on Youtube, talks a bit about that. (Naturally, most people will dismiss her contention out of hand because she smokes like there's no tomorrow. But I say attack the reasoning, not the person. There is such a thing as the Appeal to Motive fallacy, itself a variation on the red herring.) Walking past some hipsters smoking outside a coffee house or even going to a smoky bar every month or two will have no measurable effect on an otherwise healthy person's well-being. Asthmatics might have some trouble, but then, Lindsay fucking Lohan has asthma and she's chain-smoked since she was a young teen -- nevermind all of the other shit she's done to her body. I just see it as another step in the utter faggication of Americans. Don't drink, don't smoke, don't eat salt, don't drink large sugary drinks, don't spend time in the sun, don't eat much red meat, wash your hands fifty times a day, etc.
But I digress. The extreme liberal morons and conservative fucktards never, EVER have a counterargument to the countless examples of us who grew up watching violent movies, playing videogames like Mortal Kombat and watching bloody sports like hockey, boxing, Tough Man shows, this MMA shit, rugby and even your personal favorite, Adam: American football :) When I was a kid -- and even now -- I loved the parts of Conan: The Barbarian where he, Valeria and Subotai infiltrate one of Thulsa Doom's temples and chop off legs, heads and arms. I howled with laughter at those old, fake-ass "Faces of Death" movies. I was fairly numb through "A Clockwork Orange" but shit, even parts of that were comedic. (If anything, the part that most disturbed me wasn't either of the rape scenes, but how Alex's former droogs, now policemen, took him out in the country and tortured him via near-drowning.)
And as much as I enjoyed my 8-bit Nintendo, I knew I was really an avid gamer when Golden Axe came along. You'd hack dudes to death, hear their death cries, then their bodies would drop -- and stay there (albeit the fact they turned brown)! For fighting games, the Neo-Geo took it to the next level with the Art of Fighting series. The first one was clunky, but the second was quite good. And it was so much fun to literally watch as you pounded your enemy's face -- including your own daughter, if you played as Takuma! -- into a swollen, purplish pulp. But as I said, I doubt anything quite topped the Mortal Kombat fatalities back then. Modern games bring you a whole new brand of fun violence. I bet anyone who's played Red Dead Redemption, one of my favorites, has tied someone up and left them on the train tracks, only to be pulverized in a big squish of blood.
And for all the fun I had playing those games, I've never committed a violent crime. I haven't even run a fucking stop sign or short-changed a retarded employee at Jack in the Box. Why? I'm a decent, kind fellow. I try to observe the Golden Rule. The only people upon I truly wish harm are habitual abusers or even child molesters that my ex-fiance (and current girlfriend) have told me about. I'd think nothing of going Theon Greyjoy on their asses, at least for awhile. But again, it's worth noting that, in spite of me absorbing all of this violent "media," never once have I thought to repeat it; and, if anything, I abhor it. I get sick at the sight of some automobile accident footage. And shit, I even teared up watching some of the live footage from this tornado business in Oklahoma.
So, Mr. Biden, Mrs. [batshit insane] Feinstein, Misters Chris "Parade Float" Christie and Diane Black, where do I and the countless people like me fit into the picture you've grossly distorted for your own petty political gain?
Here's an idea!
Maybe we should burn those games and, while we're at it, VHS tapes, DVDs and Blu-Rays of violent movies. And there remains much description of truly horrific violence in print, so we might as well throw the books and magazines onto the fire. SEIG HEIL! Hitler would be proud ... if not for the fact that the Nazis singled-out anything they thought might promote dissent; "violence" as such never even entered the radar of most fascist regime in Earth's history :o ::)
SEIG HEIL! SEIG HEIL! ::) Fucking shitty government and its focus on the most obtuse :'(
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So they've found their scapegoat.
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well it has to be something, after all rock and rolll music didnt destroy the country decades ago, our entire 'youth' didnt commit suicide or turn satanic from heavy metal or playing Dungeons and Dragons, people getting more and more tattoos and piercings didnt turn the country inside out, TV is far to ingrained in the culture/general population to be targeted, so they turn to something that is just enough out of their own cultural norm to seem threatening.
funny i have family members with the same attitude about 'evil games', yet teaching violent, tribal us against them behavior in the sports they play (along with bad sportmanship like 'taking out' a good player on the opposing team) is just fine.
You really believe this crap? It's Biden that wants a tax on video games and the Democratic machine comes out of the woodwork to convince simpletons it's the Republicans.
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You really believe this crap? It's Biden that wants a tax on video games and the Democratic machine comes out of the woodwork to convince simpletons it's the Republicans.
Its both or do you simply like to have your head under the sand?
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Its both or do you simply like to have your head under the sand?
Yes , unfortunately for them there is a lot of big media money tied up in video games so this is just puffery to make the old folks and nanny staters feel like Daddy is going to make it all better. The irony is most of the realistic big budget violent shooters are almost jingoistically pro American so they should be happy that the message in most of the games we make is USA good, desert dweller bad
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bullshit.
Come on son. Of course it does.
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Come on son. Of course it does.
proof?
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proof?
I've witnessed it with my nephews. Grand Theft Auto and all of the Call of Duty games have warped their mind. That doesn't mean that they are going to climb a clock tower and start wasting people, but they are definitely desensitized to murder.
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I've witnessed it with my nephews. Grand Theft Auto and all of the Call of Duty games have warped their mind. That doesn't mean that they are going to climb a clock tower and start wasting people, but they are definitely desensitized to murder.
lol
what does "desensitized" mean?
has someone been murdered in front of their eyes, before and after they were introduced to videogames? what were the results?
::)
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there's literally no politician that evokes as much hate from me as joe biden. he is just....SO FUCKING STUPID. every time he opens his fucking mouth, it's just a giant deluge of shit. and he always has that fucking smug attitude of an idiot that thinks he's a genius, that's the most infuriating part. at least i can respect obama for playing the politics game and knowing what to say and what to not say. biden is just a tactless, brainless, senseless idiot. no wonder they kept him on such a short leash during the past two campaigns.
I've witnessed it with my nephews. Grand Theft Auto and all of the Call of Duty games have warped their mind. That doesn't mean that they are going to climb a clock tower and start wasting people, but they are definitely desensitized to murder.
oh what, and mad max, toxic avenger, scarface, rambo, commando, robocop, lethal weapon etc didn't desensitize a whole generation of people to murder?
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No VAT, but some Republicans support it. VALUE ADDED TAX
Value-added tax has some GOP backers - The Hill's On The Money
http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/95533-value-added-tax-has-some-republican-allies-in-congress
we need to just do a flat tax like russia. it's been doing wonders for their economic recovery.