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From Bodybuilding for Men
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In Arnold's encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding he calls for 1 gram to 1.5 grams per pound if you are training for growth
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You ever heard of Bill Dobbins?
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In Franco Columbu`s Book Bodybuilding Nutrition, he says the max amount should be 75 grams of Protein.
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In Franco Columbu`s Book Bodybuilding Nutrition, he says the max amount should be 75 grams of Protein.
thats 2 chicken breasts per day of lean protein...
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This conflicts with cswol's advice so I'm not sure what to make of it.
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>:(
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thats 2 chicken breasts per day of lean protein...
Franco Diet Plans:
Meal 1: 2 eggs
1 slice of bread
1/2 slice of pineapple
1 Cup Coffee
1 Cup Water
Meal 2: Fish 4-6 oz
1 Baked potato
Salad
1 Glass Water
Meal 3: Fish 4-6 oz
Salad
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Another from Franco Columbu:
DEFINITON DIET FOR COMPETITVE BODYBUILDERS
Breakfast: 4 eggs
1 slice Fresh Pineapple
1 Cup Coffee
1 cup Water
Lunch: 6 oz of fish
1 baked potato
1 cup of water
Snack: 20 grams of water packed Tuna
Dinner: Fish 4-6 Oz.
Vegetables
Salad
1 Cup Water
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good
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Here is another:
Diet for Average Bodybuilder:
Breakfast:
2 eggs
1 slice of bread
1 glass orange juice or one serving fruit
1 cup coffee
1 glass of water
Lunch:
Any meat 6-8 oz
1 baked potato or small serving of spaghetti without cheese
1 glass or wine or beer
1 glass water
Snack: Fruits, nuts , seeds
Dinner: Fish cooked in any way
Vegetables
Salad
1 glass wine or beer
1 glass water
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:D ;) ;D
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Arnold would suck a dick if there was $10 in it for him.
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:D ;) ;D
;D That's pretty old school hardcore definition diets. I've done them and it sucks.
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zane has some similar plans too,did not seem like much food,he got into incredible condition,had chemical help,,a 'natural'i believe can not go far on this low protein amounts,,,
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From Bodybuilding for Men
protein = 85 g
carbs =80g
low fat
I would fucking disappear .
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Funny how today's guys take twice as much protein as Arnold do three times the drugs but still are not half the size.
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I would believe this diet as much as Arnold's height or the grunting and yelling on stage advice. Remember Arnold was/is a BS artist. He has bragged many times about how he conned people. Remember the lady that was unhappy about the shoddy brick work and he convinced her it was the latest style?
80 grams of protein and 80 grams of carbs = 640 calories per day. Along with minimal fat intake this is less than 750 calories a day! You can burn 350 calories on the revolving stepper in 30 minutes alone.
These numbers are BS.
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Funny how today's guys take twice as much protein as Arnold do three times the drugs but still are not half the size.
They are bigger. It's an illusion. Arnold had small joints making him appear huge. 220 lbs is not huge. Neither is 235 lbs (at his peak, cut).
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Funny how today's guys take twice as much protein as Arnold did three times the drugs but still are not half the size.
Vince Gironda said this in his book: "Your intake of protein should be far smaller than the 1 Gram per pound of BW or more that is the prevailing view of most weightlifters."
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Vince Gironda said this in his book: "Your intake of protein should be far smaller than the 1 Gram per pound of BW or more that is the prevailing view of most weightlifters."
What book are you referring to?
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Funny how today's guys take twice as much protein as Arnold do three times the drugs but still are not half the size.
x2,,,u defintley have an eye and method for getting people in shape i will say this,i think each body will vary,metabolism,size,condition pre diet in terms of fat/muscle,genetics.
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80 grams of protein and 80 grams of carbs = 640 calories per day. Along with minimal fat intake this is less than 750 calories a day! You can burn 350 calories on the revolving stepper in 30 minutes alone.
These numbers are BS.
I agree
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What book are you referring to?
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I have that book. Vince had many different diets. His definition diets varied anywhere from 1/2 to 1 pound of beef per day and 6 to 12 whole eggs per day. He had a few different bulking type diets they relied a lot on eggs up to three dozen per day plus heavy cream, hardly low protein.
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Parillo recommends one gram of protein per pound of bodyweight, per day each and every day, seven days a week.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=390809.0;attach=422358;image)
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It seems very low in cals...
But then maybe that's the reason Arnold came into contests ripped and dry, because unlike todays guys he actually dieted and put in the work.
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I have that book. Vince had many different diets. His definition diets varied anywhere from 1/2 to 1 pound of beef per day and 6 to 12 whole eggs per day. He had a few different bulking type diets they relied a lot on eggs up to three dozen per day plus heavy cream, hardly low protein.
Yeah, I saw that he has several different plans, one that is very much like your Meat and Eggs diet for 12 weeks or something like that.
Some of the stuff in there is out there, but a good read nonetheless.
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Parillo recommends one gram of protein per pound of bodyweight, per day each and every day, seven days a week.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=390809.0;attach=422358;image)
I still can`t figure out what Bob is doing in that picture and why he needed a "spotter" for such sissy weight. ???
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I have that book. Vince had many different diets. His definition diets varied anywhere from 1/2 to 1 pound of beef per day and 6 to 12 whole eggs per day. He had a few different bulking type diets they relied a lot on eggs up to three dozen per day plus heavy cream, hardly low protein.
exactly...see many old school bulk to ripped pics b/w clarence bass/steve davis they were smooth and dieted to dry physiques and stayed there,,,they ate and ate.like u said variables today is overeating on todays drugs regimines produced shitty builds,,,there are some guys today that have nice stage builds but they do not hold them long and eat back to shitty offseason look...
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Yeah, I saw that he has several different plans, one that is very much like your Meat and Eggs diet for 12 weeks or something like that.
Some of the stuff in there is out there, but a good read nonetheless.
Yeah I still love reading that stuff even today. I will agree though guys eat far too much protein than needed.
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This conflicts with cswol's advice so I'm not sure what to make of it.
lol
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exactly...see many old school bulk to ripped pics b/w clarence bass/steve davis they were smooth and dieted to dry physiques and stayed there,,,they ate and ate.like u said variables today is overeating on todays drugs regimines produced shitty builds,,,there are some guys today that have nice stage builds but they do not hold them long and eat back to shitty offseason look...
My very first show my senior year I used Bass's diet.
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I eat 7 pixie sticks, two handfuls of couch cushion padding, a packet of sour skittles and some turkey skin every day and I'm leaner than I've ever been.
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I eat 7 pixie sticks, two handfuls of couch cushion padding, a packet of sour skittles and some turkey skin every day and I'm leaner than I've ever been.
michael lockett diet,substitute skittles for red licorice tho,,
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When you consider that a large can of tuna has ~25 grams of protein, 8 cans a day does seem excessive for a 200lb man. I've always believed the 1 gram per lb rule of thumb was a scam to sell protein power.
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I still can`t figure out what Bob is doing in that picture and why he needed a "spotter" for such sissy weight. ???
repeatedly alternate from the second image to the first. 2-1-2-1 etc and you'll have your answer.
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No way Arnold could put in the workload he did in the gym on such a minuscule intake. That is hardly enough for a 50kg bikini girl.
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First-hand account of Arnolds diet and training routine when prepping for movies
As I have said in my post about Arnolds weight in 1980, from 1995 through 2001 I had the pleasure to work for Arnold. The job that I held with him I choose to not disclose. I had signed heavy confidentiality agreements and I do not want to be a part of any lawsuits, just as Don Cestone has said in his thread called Unknown Arnold Stories. What I will be discussing on this thread is something that I feel absolutely comfortable with and that which cannot compromise the contracts that I signed nor put this site in jeapordy. As much of this info has been witnessed by many around Arnold, those that trained in World Gym and those that have eaten in Schatzi's restaurant when Arnold was their in the 90's and early 2000's. Employees of these establishments as well as the average folks that were consistently present have seen much of what I will discuss.
During the time I was working for him, I had the honor to watch Arnold train and eat for many films. I was working for him during the time of the films Eraser, Jingle all the Way, Batman, End of Days, The 6th Day, and Collateral Damage. While Collateral Damage came out in 2002. It was shot in late 2000 and early 2001. It was delayed release because of the 9/11 attacks and controversy.
For the films Jingle all the Way, Batman, and The 6th Day, it appeared that Arnold did not seem particularly concerned with getting his body into any better physical shape than what he had already been walking around with. The films did not really display much of his physique. So it appeared to me that Arnold would not undertake any new changes to his eating or training for these films. It makes sense to me, considering they were not films that showcased his physique. And it is not as if he didnt already look awesome already.
But for Eraser, End of Days, and Collateral Damage, I noticed a distinct change in his eating and training in preparation for the films.
Arnolds eating habits seemed come to a change about a few months before these films. Let me say this first. In all of my time around him , I can honestly say that I have never seen a man be less picky about food than Arnold. He is not a big eater and he never was particulary fussy about what he ate. I honestly believe that you could put anything in front of him that was high quality and well made and he would eat it and not ask for more.
A few months out from a film his diet seemed be:
Breakfast: 1 regular size bowl of steel cut irish oatmeal with a handfull of fresh strawberries. His restaurant Schatzi had this great type of oatmeal.
Lunch: A Salmon Salad with balsamic vinagrette dressing
Dinner: the same as lunch.
This seemed to be the same every day monday -friday. The only variations would come in the form of a chicken breast being substituted for salmon. The oatmeal and strawberries , Arnold would eat year round for breakfast. Never saw him once not eat it. Never saw him consume a protein shake either. The above fish or chicken was all the protein that he seemed to consume. And the portions looked no more than 6 ounces. Basic size. So I would say that he ate about 70-80 grams of protein a day.
He never seemed to strayed from this eating. Maybe on weekends he may have loosened the reigns and eaten some tastier stuff. They used to do that in the 70's too.
As for his training for the mentioned films. Much has been written about Arnolds heavy ,back to the old days routine he did at World Gym , Marina in prep for T3 with Franco and Eddie. I was no longer with him at this point but I heard that he did indeed train old school style for T3 with these men at World gym on split routines. But for the years I was around him this seemed to be the routine that he did with little to no variation. Just as his diet, he seemed to train solidly Monday- friday.
It was a full body routine. And it was done 5 days a week. He would Giant set the entire body like Bob Gadja's PHA system. It looked as if he did 5 circuits of this full body giant set. The reps always looked to be high. 12 reps minimum but more like 15-20 reps. This is what it appeared to me. And here are the exercises. Some might find it hard to believe that this is what he chose to do, but remember one thing. This is Arnold. Some of the greatest genetics ever and a body with muscle memory that responds incredibly fast. And Arnold knows his body and what can cause him injury. A lot of his exercise choices looked to be based on injuries that he may have wanted to avoid or irritate. Isnt this the case for most bodybuilders in their later years of training. Here is the workout that he always seemed to do.
1. Cybex Lat Pulldown to the front
2. Cybex Pec Dec
3. DB Side Laterals
4. Cybex Preacher Curl Machine
5. Tricep Pushdowns on the Lat machine
6. Cybex Leg Extensions
7. Cybex Leg Curls
8. Seated Calf Raises
9. Ab machine
So he would do each of these excercises one after the other with no rest until the end of abs. Then he would take a good rest and repeat it a few more times. After that he would peddle a lifecycle for 30 minutes.
While it may seem odd, it is not. He trained intense and at a brisk pace. And he would balloon up well. And remember, he did this routine 5 consecutive days a week.
Many people who trained at World Gym, Venice and later World Gym , Marina were present to witness Arnold train. And I would often hear that people were surprised that he did giant set type of training.
A few days a week he would train with somebody another ironage bodybuilder. And the pace would slow down quite a bit. But still it was intense. No forced reps ever and no sets pushed to failure. Significant weight was used but nothing dangerous. It all seemed sensible.
I witnessed many of these workouts.
So there you have it. Something that many I am sure will find quite interestig, as not much is ever written about his training and diet of the movie years.
Hope you all enjoy it. And I would appreciate it if you could respect my wishes and not PM me in regards to more details. I feel that what I wrote is fine to write about. But I will not discuss anything else. Thanks guys.
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the part about weekend cheating is interesting in FirstBlood post, maybe they gorged saturday and/or sunday, thus making large feedings during the week uneeded (almost like the galeniko feed then fast plan...)
some good info here as well, he mentions binging on essentially junkfood on sundays, but the strict diet got you back on pace within a day or two
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Looks like he stinks of shit.
needs that stupid look smacked off his face.
Is that the stupid c unt from bb.com that used to eat egg shells.
Fucking liftin
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If you already have acquired mass, then dieting down on next to nothing and loading on juice will get you ripped fast while maintaining mass.
You cannot "grow into a show" on such baby amounts of food.
Either way, Arnold is a lying scum bag, a racist, and a narcissist.
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http://www.muscleandstrength.com/workouts/arnold-schwarzenegger-volume-workout-routines over 300 grams of protein daily
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adonis, do you even own the New Modern Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding, and how many getbiggers own it, Ive owned it since 1991
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that calorie plan makes no sense. 1g protein per 2lb of bodyweight would be about 100g protein for me. 60-100g of carbs. that means, at most, he's suggesting 800cal from carbs and protein. limited fat intake means what? 50g? that's another 450cals. so 1250cal total. per day.
this is the problem when everyone talks about how many grams of this or that you need. it ignores total caloric intake. those extra calories have to come from somewhere, but arnold is saying ALL THREE macronutrients should be kept low.
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adonis, do you even own the New Modern Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding, and how many getbiggers own it, Ive owned it since 1991
I have that one as well.
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In Franco Columbu`s Book Bodybuilding Nutrition, he says the max amount should be 75 grams of Protein.
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He's 5'4" at best...
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that calorie plan makes no sense. 1g protein per 2lb of bodyweight would be about 100g protein for me. 60-100g of carbs. that means, at most, he's suggesting 800cal from carbs and protein. limited fat intake means what? 50g? that's another 450cals. so 1250cal total. per day.
this is the problem when everyone talks about how many grams of this or that you need. it ignores total caloric intake. those extra calories have to come from somewhere, but arnold is saying ALL THREE macronutrients should be kept low.
You're right. It doesn't make sense. I don't care what Arnold says, I know FIRSTHAND I'm not growing on 115 grams of protein per day.
With that said, what Arnold is making is RECCOMENDATIONS. They aren't set in stone. He'd be the first to tell you, not to do something simply because it worked for someone else.
When he first came to America and was training in Vince Gironda's gym, he was doing tons of preacher curls. He did such, because that was what Gironda's star pupil (2-Time Mr. Olympia, Larry Scott) did to get his huge arms.
But, Arnold said preacher curls didn't so as much for him, as they did for Scott. So, he went back to the basic barbell curl and cheat barbell curl.
You also have to keep in mind things like age, level of activity outside the gym, and digestion issues.
About 17 or 18 years ago, I was eating well over 300 grams of protein per day. But, I was walking up and down hills in college, carrying books to class. At times, I had to walk or run to destinations if I missed the bus. During the summertime, I played softball with my church league, pinch-running for the overweight guys on my team with bad knees. Heck, I ran for guys on other teams (except the one my team was facing, of course). That was the fun part of playing ball, back then.
Doing that, along with my weight training 4 times a week, allowed me to burn up that much food and still (for the most part) put on good size.
Gironda gave me the idea of making old-school protein shakes, with the dozen eggs and half-n-half along with a little protein powder. Back in college, I simply cut that into two batches. I drank one (six eggs 16-oz half-n-half, which I later replaced with lowfat milk) for breakfast before class; I drank the ohter before bed. During the rest of the day, it was either regular solid food or Mega Mass 2000 (to be later replaced with N-Large).
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I have that book. Vince had many different diets. His definition diets varied anywhere from 1/2 to 1 pound of beef per day and 6 to 12 whole eggs per day. He had a few different bulking type diets they relied a lot on eggs up to three dozen per day plus heavy cream, hardly low protein.
12 eggs.....that's at least 72 grams of protein (96 grams, if you use jumbo eggs).
A pound of cooked beef is about 100 grams of protein.
So, if you go conservative with that (half-pound of beef and six medium eggs and a quart of milk/cream/half-n-half), that's 130 grams of protein, AT LEAST.....but that's not all you're supposed to eat.
And, don't forget the liver tablets, which I used (on and off) even to this day. ;D
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Sometimes I wonder what my arteries r like. I subscribed to girondas advice as a teen. Put on a shitload of size but was religiously drinking 12 eggs a day w heavy cream on top of all else.
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Sometimes I wonder what my arteries r like. I subscribed to girondas advice as a teen. Put on a shitload of size but was religiously drinking 12 eggs a day w heavy cream on top of all else.
well if you got good health genetics then they are probably doing fine
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protein = 85 g
carbs =80g
low fat
I would fucking disappear .
THIS!
Is this diet a joke or something?
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They are bigger. It's an illusion. Arnold had small joints making him appear huge. 220 lbs is not huge. Neither is 235 lbs (at his peak, cut).
This! And so are their guts!
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the part about weekend cheating is interesting in FirstBlood post, maybe they gorged saturday and/or sunday, thus making large feedings during the week uneeded (almost like the galeniko feed then fast plan...)
some good info here as well, he mentions binging on essentially junkfood on sundays, but the strict diet got you back on pace within a day or two
Why is he saying that there are no more all-you-can-eat places? There are plenty of them, from what I've seen.
Golden Corall is all-you-can-eat. Certain KFCs have buffets. Then, there are the Mongolian Barbecue places. Every single one of those, to which I've gone, were buffets. Then, there are the all-you-eat-sushi-bars.
Even in places like Sweet Tomatoes in places like California, you can load up. Yes, it's a salad bar. But, with plenty of chicken, ham (for those who dig swine), eggs, soybeans, cream cheese, and nuts to add as fixings to your salad, you can EASILY get your protein fix from a place like that.
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Yes, life is overrated.
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Why is he saying that there are no more all-you-can-eat places? There are plenty of them, from what I've seen.
Golden Corall is all-you-can-eat. Certain KFCs have buffets. Then, there are the Mongolian Barbecue places. Every single one of those, to which I've gone, were buffets. Then, there are the all-you-eat-sushi-bars.
Even in places like Sweet Tomatoes in places like California, you can load up. Yes, it's a salad bar. But, with plenty of chicken, ham (for those who dig swine), eggs, soybeans, and nuts to add as fixings to your salad, you can EASILY get your protein fix from a place like that.
Does he not realize you can eat all you want at home? ???
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Does he not realize you can eat all you want at home? ???
Maybe, he (and/or his wife) can't cook!
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I love the part in the article where Arnold says ""in the research I've done..."..LOL at Arnold ACTUALLY doing RESEARCH
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I love the part in the article where Arnold says ""in the research I've done..."..LOL at Arnold ACTUALLY doing RESEARCH
He probably did. It's called trial-and-error. It's called learning from others: Vince Gironda, Reg Park (his boyhood idol), Frank Zane, just to name a few.
You don't need a lab coat or a government grant to do research, especially given the fact that much of what "mainstream science" touts as being breakthrough (when it comes to training and nutrition) is DECADES behind what old-school bodybuilders know.
"Millions of people are involved in exercise programs that involve strength training and aerobic exercise. High-protein diets are the craze. Arnold (Schwarzenegger) was doing that back in the '70s, in the 60s." - Bill Phillips, "Iron and Beyond", from the Pumping Iron: 25th Anniversary Edition DVD.
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He probably did. It's called trial-and-error. It's called learning from others: Vince Gironda, Reg Park (his boyhood idol), Frank Zane, just to name a few.
You don't need a lab coat or a government grant to do research, especially given the fact that much of what "mainstream science" touts as being breakthrough (when it comes to training and nutrition) is DECADES behind what old-school bodybuilders know.
"Millions of people are involved in exercise programs that involve strength training and aerobic exercise. High-protein diets are the craze. Arnold (Schwarzenegger) was doing that back in the '70s, in the 60s." - Bill Phillips, "Iron and Beyond", from the Pumping Iron: 25th Anniversary Edition DVD.
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SO what he's saying is BRO SCIENCE was alive and doing well in the '60's-80's??
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SO what he's saying is BRO SCIENCE was alive and doing well in the '60's-80's??
Is "BRO SCIENCE" some derogatory term for old-school trial and error? It sounds quite dismissive.
It's real-world experience. As of late, people who claim to be into bodybuilding would rather take advice from "mainstream" scientists who aren't bodybuilders and don't have muscles and ignore real-world advice from those who ARE bodybuilders and DO have the muscles to show for it?
Or, I'll put it another way. The old-timers knew THAT certain things work, even if they didn't necessarily know at the time exactly WHY they worked.
Some people want to get too far into the weeds with this stuff. I believe CT Fletcher likes to refer to them as "egg-head motherf------s".
So you can't get big and strong, unless Dr. Quackenschmidt, PhD., ABC, OPP from ACME University says you can? PLEASE!!!
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Is "BRO SCIENCE" some derogatory term for old-school trial and error? It sounds quite dismissive.
It's real-world experience. As of late, people who claim to be into bodybuilding would rather take advice from "mainstream" scientists who aren't bodybuilders and don't have muscles and ignore real-world advice from those who ARE bodybuilders and DO have the muscles to show for it?
Or, I'll put it another way. The old-timers knew THAT certain things work, even if they didn't necessarily know at the time exactly WHY they worked.
Some people want to get too far into the weeds with this stuff. I believe CT Fletcher likes to refer to them as "egg-head motherf------s".
So you can't get big and strong, unless Dr. Quackenschmidt, PhD., ABC, OPP from ACME University says you can? PLEASE!!!
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Quite the opposite for me, I've always been more into Bro-Science (learning from other's results) than what is in a scientific journal... we'll leave that for the Muscletech athletes!!
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Quite the opposite for me, I've always been more into Bro-Science (learning from other's results) than what is in a scientific journal... we'll leave that for the Muscletech athletes!!
Muscletech's science couldn't get Orange CELL-TECH, Gakic, or Anator-P70 not to taste like utter swill.
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Maybe, he (and/or his wife) can't cook!
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That's WHY he had the MEXICAN take-out... :D :D
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Another from Franco Columbu:
DEFINITON DIET FOR COMPETITVE BODYBUILDERS
Breakfast: 4 eggs
1 slice Fresh Pineapple
1 Cup Coffee
1 cup Water
Lunch: 6 oz of fish
1 baked potato
1 cup of water
Snack: 20 grams of water packed Tuna
Dinner: Fish 4-6 Oz.
Vegetables
Salad
1 Cup Water
how many caloires in this diet?
how come he isnt dieting on 2000cal? or recommend it?
should tell you something.
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how many caloires in this diet?
how come he isnt dieting on 2000cal? or recommend it?
should tell you something.
Doesn`t really.
I have dieted on low calories 1300-1800 and it was the worst ever. :-\ I also did five days of cardio during that time and never deviated once. This was in 2004. Protein was 2 grams per lb of bodyweight carbs were low. I logged it all on Muscle Mayhem. I got to low body fat, single digits, but I was so weak, it was laughable. HUNDREDS of pounds lost on lifts.
I can definitively say that these approaches DO NOT WORK FOR ME.
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Doesn`t really.
I have dieted on low calories 1300-1800 and it was the worst ever. :-\ I also did five days of cardio during that time and never deviated once. This was in 2004. Protein was 2 grams per lb of bodyweight carbs were low. I logged it all on Muscle Mayhem. I got to low body fat, single digits, but I was so weak, it was laughable. HUNDREDS of pounds lost on lifts.
I can definitively say that these approaches DO NOT WORK FOR ME.
Why take your carbs so low ??? Totally unnecessary. We prob have similar metabolism and I can get to 5% off 200g a day carbs. And an hour of cardio a day. No wonder your strength suffered.
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Doesn`t really.
I have dieted on low calories 1300-1800 and it was the worst ever. :-\ I also did five days of cardio during that time and never deviated once. This was in 2004. Protein was 2 grams per lb of bodyweight carbs were low. I logged it all on Muscle Mayhem. I got to low body fat, single digits, but I was so weak, it was laughable. HUNDREDS of pounds lost on lifts.
I can definitively say that these approaches DO NOT WORK FOR ME.
lol what did you think would happen?
your a smart guy- instead of chalking it up to a failing as a whole of your enterprise there was a variable that was causing your enterprise to fail.
there is nothing wrong with low cals nothing at all if you do it right. you didnt do it right. its that simple.
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i'll tell you a story that will help you relate bro. i've been there and i know what your talking about. actually any time you see me give advise its cause i have been there.
i was getting ready for a show. i think it was my second show. i dieted on ultra high protein high veg low carb low fat. 3 weeks out i looked the best i think i have ever looked. i was dense and leaner than i had ever been. like that grainy type lean and hardness. i actually cant believe that was me, you know? i was o happy i did this myself.
then as all guys do i got nervous about the last two weeks instead of just trusting in myself and what i know. so i hired this internet training guru for my last two weeks- the fuck was his name- big blond guy true protein guy posted on mayhem was supposed to be the next big thing? anyway i sent him my pics. hes like you look terrific but i want you to up your cardio to AN HOUR AND A HALF of cardio a day. im like wtf? this sint my first bbq, and i know im maaaaybe 1-2% from stage ready but im not going to argue this guy. hes the 'pro' right? so i start doing the cardio.
i remember my blood sugar plummenting so hard i could barely walk at times. i got dizzy, just the very act of walking felt like i was moving thru water.
what do you think happened? dude i looked like i lost 10 pounds of muscle. in 2 weeks. im not bullshitting you bro. i was fucking shattered. i had dieted my ass off doing it myself for x amount of time and this just fucked up all that hard work.
now, was my approach wrong? did the diet fail me? no- it was a variable inside the diet that caused the failure. not the system as a whole. cheers.
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Muscletech's science couldn't get Orange CELL-TECH, Gakic, or Anator-P70 not to taste like utter swill.
Muscle Tech Orange was your favorite :)
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Why take your carbs so low ??? Totally unnecessary. We prob have similar metabolism and I can get to 5% off 200g a day carbs. And an hour of cardio a day. No wonder your strength suffered.
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Cardio was only 30 minutes a day High Intensity style. I did that in 2004. Ended up the weakest I had ever been ever.
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Cardio was only 30 minutes a day High Intensity style. I did that in 2004. Ended up the weakest I had ever been ever.
whats high intensity style?
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Cardio was only 30 minutes a day High Intensity style. I did that in 2004. Ended up the weakest I had ever been ever.
I don't normally train for strength so I stay away from heavy weight. but yesterday as in every day actually I felt fantastic. I did flat bench. I'm 2 reps off my total for that weight weighing 15 pounds lighter and on literally a fraction of the supplements it took me to get there. this leads me to believe I am not only not losing lean tissue but actually am as strong if not stronger pfp on this system Galeniko and i created as I was when I wasn't using it.
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Muscle Tech Orange was your favorite :)
PLEASE!!! It was Blue Raspberry!!
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That's WHY he had the MEXICAN take-out... :D :D
I was referring to Rich Piana, not Arnold.
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PLEASE!!! It was Blue Raspberry!!
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cell tech would make my asshole burn :-[
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Cardio was only 30 minutes a day High Intensity style. I did that in 2004. Ended up the weakest I had ever been ever.
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Low carbs ??? Lots of HIT cardio ???
You did it wrong bro.
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Cardio was only 30 minutes a day High Intensity style. I did that in 2004. Ended up the weakest I had ever been ever.
that's because you were over-training
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Low carbs ??? Lots of HIT cardio ???
You did it wrong bro.
Recipe for muscle loss right there.
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newsflash, everything is determinated by one`s genetics, making all these so called theories bullshits and the bulshiters, scam artists. Especially when they were, are, known steroid users which falsifies the theories even more.
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Recipe for muscle loss right there.
No kidding, especially for a natural.
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newsflash, everything is determinated by one`s genetics, making all these so called theories bullshits and the bulshiters, scam artists. Especially when they were, are, known steroid users which falsifies the theories even more.
Some of these theories could help you put on a few lbs there Mr.Auschwitz.
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This is the shitbag who still downplays the significance of AAS in his life, mentioning the word 'steroids' twice or thereabouts in his latest book (Total Recall) and asserting therein that steroids helped him about as much as a "good suntan." Time to scurry off to an obscure hole and die, thereby protecting whatever is left of his legacy from any further trauma.
Exactly. The guy is a perpetual liar. Look how he lied about the sexual allegations and the maid he fucked. He has always been about "show" and stretching the truth. I would trust 0% of what he says. I stood next to him and at 6'-2" towered over him. He lied about his height as well.
I have respect for his physique and business drive. Don't get me wrong. But part of Arnold's game plan was to offer the wrong "advices". lol!
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bump for TA's responses.
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bump for TA's responses.
Double bump
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http://www.muscleandfitness.com/nutrition/gain-mass/old-school-eats-eat-arnold?page=2
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http://www.muscleandfitness.com/nutrition/gain-mass/old-school-eats-eat-arnold?page=2
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saw that...blows that theory out the window,,,
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Some of these theories could help you put on a few lbs there Mr.Auschwitz.
i dont need too, Mr.im so insecure i need to artificially get bigger to impress other men ;) I was like you, then i grew up. Some never grow up. Once you reach your 50s you ll be back to your natural 150 lbs too anyway.
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i dont need too, Mr.im so insecure i need to artificially get bigger to impress other men ;) I was like you, then i grew up. Some never grow up. Once you reach your 50s you ll be back to your natural 150 lbs too anyway.
if thats u ,your looking ripped in your avi,,,gave in to the get big man love movement with 'pic'as avi,,,look good if its u,,,
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i dont need too, Mr.im so insecure i need to artificially get bigger to impress other men ;) I was like you, then i grew up. Some never grow up. Once you reach your 50s you ll be back to your natural 150 lbs too anyway.
Truly secure men don't ridicule other men discussing bodybuilding on a bodybuilding forum the way you do, überironicman. ;)