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In the wake of the recent disclosure of two classified U.S. surveillance programs, most Americans disapprove of the government collecting the phone numbers of ordinary Americans, but approve of its monitoring those suspected of terrorist activity, according to a new CBS News poll.
Seventy-five percent of Americans approve of federal agencies collecting the phone records of people the government suspects of terrorist activity, but a 58 percent majority disapproves of this type of data collection in the case of ordinary Americans.
Majorities of Republicans and independents oppose the government collecting phone records of ordinary Americans; Democrats are divided.
When asked if the government’s collection of Americans’ phone call records is a necessary tool to help find terrorists, a slight majority of 53 percent say it is.
There is broad support for the government monitoring the internet activities of those living in foreign countries. Seventy-two percent of Americans approve of this practice and there is agreement on this across party lines.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57588748/most-disapprove-of-govt-phone-snooping-of-ordinary-americans/
Surprise, surprise that it's the leftists that have the least problems with this. But not really surprising given leftist history and the Facism/Nazism/Communism and various other totalitarian left-wing ideologies that resulted in police states and genocide.
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Hold on now.
Let me understand.
The Patriot Act was never designed to be an investigative tool for the government to go on a massive fishing expedition. Judicial oversight, notice requirements and the like were supposed to be written into the law as procedural safeguards for the rights of ordinary Americans. Back when that was the line, Democrats overwhelmingly disapproved of the Patriot Act.
Now that it's being used (illegally in my opinion) to farm data on hundreds of millions of innocent people, Democrats think its a necessary weapon in fighting terrorism (even though Obama said terrorism was defeated a few weeks ago). lololol
If you ever needed proof that one side of the aisle is morally and intellectually bankrupt, this poll takes the cake.
It's the same idiotic justification these morons use for empowering the TSA. Racial profiling is bad! Molesting grandma is fairness!
Or more appropriately, we need this massive, illegal, expansive, intrusive tool to "protect Americans"-- but securing the border is bad! We must collect data on innocent people while allowing blanket amnesty to illegal aliens in the name of "fairness".
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Like I said - Obama could rape a goat on the white house lawn and leftists would be perfectly fine with it
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the only constituency? maybe you should learn to read.
It's not cool, the patriot act is not cool, the lies to go to war were not cool.
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yeah, no Repubs support the programs STARTED by Bush and that have congressional oversight
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/06/house-speaker-john-boehner-nsa-leaker-a-traitor/
House Speaker John Boehner today called NSA leaker Edward Snowden a “traitor” who put Americans at risk by releasing classified information to the media.
“He’s a traitor,” the highest ranking Republican in the House of Representatives said in an extensive interview with ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos. “The disclosure of this information puts Americans at risk. It shows our adversaries what our capabilities are. And it’s a giant violation of the law.”
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yeah, no Repubs support the programs STARTED by Bush and that have congressional oversight
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/06/house-speaker-john-boehner-nsa-leaker-a-traitor/
STFU - no one defends boenhner here over this or the program. you leftists communists liberals progressive Marxists who attacked W for doing less than what O-TWINK is doing are a complete joke
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STFU - no one defends boenhner here over this or the program. you leftists communists liberals progressive Marxists who attacked W for doing less than what O-TWINK is doing are a complete joke
This is the simple fact that eludes that pile of dog crap that straw boy calls his brain.
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EU warns US of 'grave consequences' from intel scandal
The EU has warned President Barack Obama's administration of "grave adverse consequences" to the rights of European citizens from a huge US Internet surveillance programme, officials said Wednesday.
Viviane Reding, the EU's Justice Commissioner, wrote a letter on Monday to US Attorney General Eric Holder demanding "swift and concrete" answers about the spy scheme when they meet in Dublin on Friday.
She set out seven detailed questions about the PRISM spy programme, which were leaked by whistleblower Edward Snowden and revealed by The Guardian and Washington Post newspapers last week.
"Programmes such as PRISM and the laws on the basis of which such programmes are authorised could have grave adverse consequences for the fundamental rights of EU citizens," she wrote.
Her questions to Holder include whether EU citizens were targeted by the US programmes, whether Europeans would be able find out whether their data has been accessed, and whether they would be treated similarly to US nationals in such cases.
Reding said that "given the gravity of the situation" she expected "swift and concrete answers to these questions" at her meeting with Holder.
http://www.france24.com/en/20130612-eu-warns-us-grave-consequences-intel-scandal
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FBI requests for data on Americans up 1000% since 2009
American Thinker ^ | 06/12/2013 | Rick Moran
Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2013 11:44:34 AM by SeekAndFind
Not surprising given recent revelations about the NSA, but as Michael Isikoff points out, the massive increase in requests for business records by the FBI under a provision in the Patriot Act, represents a sea change in the government's attitude toward privacy.
The FBI has dramatically increased its use of a controversial provision of the Patriot Act to secretly obtain a vast store of business records of U.S. citizens under President Barack Obama, according to recent Justice Department reports to Congress. The bureau filed 212 requests for such data to a national security court last year - a 1,000-percent increase from the number of such requests four years earlier, the reports show.
The FBI's increased use of the Patriot Act's "business records" provision - and the wide ranging scope of its requests -- is getting new scrutiny in light of last week's disclosure that that the provision was used to obtain a top-secret national security order requiring telecommunications companies to turn over records of millions of telephone calls.
Taken together, experts say, those revelations show the government has broadly interpreted the Patriot Act provision as enabling it to collect data not just on specific individuals, but on millions of Americans with no suspected terrorist connections. And it shows that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court accepted that broad interpretation of the law.
"That they were using this (provision) to do mass collection of data is definitely the biggest surprise," said Robert Chesney, a top national security lawyer at the University of Texas Law School. "Most people who followed this closely were not aware they were doing this. We've gone from producing records for a particular investigation to the production of all records for a massive pre-collection database. It's incredibly sweeping."
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
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STFU - no one defends boenhner here over this or the program. you leftists communists liberals progressive Marxists who attacked W for doing less than what O-TWINK is doing are a complete joke
Since they love the program so much, Democrats should start lining up to apologize to Bush for calling him a Nazi and comparing him to Hitler.
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STFU - no one defends boenhner here over this or the program. you leftists communists liberals progressive Marxists who attacked W for doing less than what O-TWINK is doing are a complete joke
there is that moronic blind rage we've all come to expect from you
These programs were started by Bush and fully supported THEN and NOW by both Repubs and Dems
keep your head up your ass so you can keep reminding us how uniformed and willfully ignorant you are
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there is that moronic blind rage we've all come to expect from you
These programs were started by Bush and fully supported THEN and NOW by both Repubs and Dems
keep your head up your ass so you can keep reminding us how uniformed and willfully ignorant you are
So - just because both corrupt parties support this treason its ok? And remember - it was the leftists like yourself who raged over W doing even less.
Nice job hypocrite
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So - just because both corrupt parties support this treason its ok? And remember - it was the leftists like yourself who raged over W doing even less.
Nice job hypocrite
what treason?
do you even know what that word means or is it like "communism" and "dictator" and you just use it while having no clue what it actually means
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So - just because both corrupt parties support this treason its ok? And remember - it was the leftists like yourself who raged over W doing even less.
Nice job hypocrite
It's only ok in legislations like these.
But when it comes to the War in Iraq and the economy the stupid left forgets that they voted right along with Republicans. They continue to solely blame the GOP and never take responsibility for their actions.
The Democratic party has always suffered from amnesia.
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what treason?
do you even know what that word means or is it like "communism" and "dictator" and you just use it while having no clue what it actually means
What part of the 4th Amend do you not understand or care for?
Typical progressive Marxist - "Its not treason when Obama does it"
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What part of the 4th Amend do you not understand or care for?
Typical progressive Marxist - "Its not treason when Obama does it"
so you don't actually know what treason means
that's what I figured
how the fuck are you an attorney?
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so you don't actually know what treason means
that's what I figured
how the fuck are you an attorney?
Obama is an enemy of the constitution and violated his oath of office and promises.
You voted for this - bath in it
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Obama is an enemy of the constitution and violated his oath of office and promises.
You voted for this - bath in it
not just me but a majority of your fellow citizens
you're the minority
you're the person who hates this country, hates your fellow citizens, wishes violence on your fellow citizens and actually supports terrorists who want to commit violence against us
Bathe is that you mentally ill, bald headed dwarf
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not just me but a majority of your fellow citizens
you're the minority
you're the person who hates this country, hates your fellow citizens, wishes violence on your fellow citizens and actually supports terrorists who want to commit violence against us
Bathe is that you mentally ill, bald headed dwarf
wow, tell us how you really feel :D
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not just me but a majority of your fellow citizens
you're the minority
you're the person who hates this country, hates your fellow citizens, wishes violence on your fellow citizens and actually supports terrorists who want to commit violence against us
Bathe is that you mentally ill, bald headed dwarf
LOL - you are paralyzed by fear of guns, muslims, tea party people, religious you name it.
Go cry and hide behind Feinstein's skirt you pathetic bitch
Oh - dwarf? Eat shit - I own you.
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LOL - you are paralyzed by fear of guns, muslims, tea party people, religious you name it.
Go cry and hide behind Feinstein's skirt you pathetic bitch
Oh - dwarf? Eat shit - I own you.
Aren't you the one scared to death to leave your apartment due to the "savages" and "beasts" and constantly complaining about muslims, the govt, etc...
btw - not just a dwarf
mentally ill, bald headed, dwarf
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Aren't you the one scared to death to leave your apartment due to the "savages" and "beasts" and constantly complaining about muslims, the govt, etc...
btw - not just a dwarf
mentally ill, bald headed, dwarf
Post your own pic twink
From yesterday -
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I suspect he only hates libs, Obama supporters and the crowded field of folks who hate America.....the fact that it includes our fellow citizens is an unfortunate fact.
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I suspect he only hates libs, Obama supporters and the crowded field of folks who hate America.....the fact that it includes our fellow citizens is an unfortunate fact.
not just his fellow citizens but yours too
in fact, a majority of your fellow citizens
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Post your own pic twink
From yesterday -
Why are you folks fascinated with 3's physique? I suspect that folks have a pre conceived notion of how folks look here and are shocked when anybody on getbig actually lifts.
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I suspect he only hates libs, Obama supporters and the crowded field of folks who hate America.....the fact that it includes our fellow citizens is an unfortunate fact.
Marxists, progressives, communists, statists, and the like - that's it.
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Post your own pic twink
From yesterday -
Hey Queer, I didn't ask for a pic but thanks for proving my point about being a bald headed dwarf (your mentally illness is already a well established fact)
why don't you send it to your fanboy or maybe you and TBomz can get a room together (are you still searching for his pics on Google)
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Why are you folks fascinated with 3's physique? I suspect that folks have a pre conceived notion of how folks look here and are shocked when anybody on getbig actually lifts.
Funny too - those who usually cast the most stones like Straw know they cant possibly post their own pic knowing the owning they will get.
And for the record Im 5 8 - If some want to call that dwarf? Fine. I cant change that - can only control what I can - and what I can control - DRUG FREE - destroys almost all of these clowns
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.....that voted. A percentage of the folks I identify with decided that not voting was somehow better then voting for Romney. Further...if you look at the breakdown of where Obama gains the most support, large cities and urban area's...the coasts etc...I don't really have much in common with those folks. Most people are retards. I've decided to retire and become a Maine game warden. All you libs who don't have a moose ticket will be fucked.
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Funny too - those who usually cast the most stones like Straw know they cant possibly post their own pic knowing the owning they will get.
And for the record Im 5 8 - If some want to call that dwarf? Fine. I cant change that - can only control what I can - and what I can control - DRUG FREE - destroys almost all of these clowns
I'm a towering 5'10ish..I say ish because sometimes I'm 5'9, it depends on who's running the height and weight scale.
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.....that voted. A percentage of the folks I identify with decided that not voting was somehow better then voting for Romney. Further...if you look at the breakdown of where Obama gains the most support, large cities and urban area's...the coasts etc...I don't really have much in common with those folks. Most people are retards. I've decided to retire and become a Maine game warden. All you libs who don't have a moose ticket will be fucked.
Get the ones in their kayaks and overpriced fly fishing gear
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Funny too - those who usually cast the most stones like Straw know they cant possibly post their own pic knowing the owning they will get.
And for the record Im 5 8 - If some want to call that dwarf? Fine. I cant change that - can only control what I can - and what I can control - DRUG FREE - destroys almost all of these clowns
It also makes people feel better if they can claim that you juice as it somehow negates all your hard work or makes them bigger. You being bigger or smaller doesn't really help my squat.
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.....that voted. A percentage of the folks I identify with decided that not voting was somehow better then voting for Romney. Further...if you look at the breakdown of where Obama gains the most support, large cities and urban area's...the coasts etc...I don't really have much in common with those folks. Most people are retards. I've decided to retire and become a Maine game warden. All you libs who don't have a moose ticket will be fucked.
yeah, voting is kind of important
maybe next time your party can find a viable candidate and then all the lazy nutbags who didn't vote will get up off their ass (though somehow I suspect not)
fact is that the majority of your fellow citizens who exercised their right to vote chose Obama.....TWICE
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It also makes people feel better if they can claim that you juice as it somehow negates all your hard work or makes them bigger. You being bigger or smaller doesn't really help my squat.
I never touched steroids EVER. And I have not even posted a back shot which is by far my best one - then these cry babies like straw will really melt down.
Drug Free for life 38 - and still making these clowns look like kids
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Get the ones in their kayaks and overpriced fly fishing gear
My wife thinks I'm joking. I watch North woods law all the time. Thats my next career. Me, a chevy silvarado and a German shepard. No more retarded meetings, cowardly non deployers.....sexual harrashment prevention classes....ragheads shooting at me. Nope....hunting tags, the occasional pot grower..black bears. I don't even hunt or fresh water fish...but screw it.
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It also makes people feel better if they can claim that you juice as it somehow negates all your hard work or makes them bigger. You being bigger or smaller doesn't really help my squat.
when did I say anything about him juicing ?
I couldn't give a rats ass what drugs he chooses to take or not take. I hope he's not juicing just to look like that though but maybe if he had done a few rounds of growth hormone as a child he wouldn't be a dwarf today
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when did I say anything about him juicing ?
I couldn't give a rats ass what drugs he chooses to take or not take. I hope he's not juicing just to look like that though but maybe if he had done a few rounds of growth hormone as a child he wouldn't be a dwarf today
Post your own pic twink or STFU .
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I long for the day I can juice freely. My training partner is getting the test from uncle sam..free and under a doc's supervision. I'm trying to figure out how to claim low test...
5'8 is not a dwarf. I guess if he had hair it might help. I never said u said he juices...just a general comment. I think i should juice.....it should be free for military. My knee's and elbows would stop hurting.
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I long for the day I can juice freely. My training partner is getting the test from uncle sam..free and under a doc's supervision. I'm trying to figure out how to claim low test...
5'8 is not a dwarf. I guess if he had hair it might help. I never said u said he juices...just a general comment. I think i should juice.....it should be free for military. My knee's and elbows would stop hurting.
I love having a shaved head. I would not grow my hair back even if I could
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Post your own pic twink or STFU .
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hey queer, I already told you I'm not interested in seeing your pics
why don't you send them to Fairy.
He always seems to get jealous when you stalk me
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Its alot of work.....I'll keep the moderately military haircut...but I'm growing an epic beard. I hear a beard makes u squat and deadlift more anyway.
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Its alot of work.....I'll keep the moderately military haircut...but I'm growing an epic beard. I hear a beard makes u squat and deadlift more anyway.
I love these dudes who barely lift at all throwing stones at others on a bb site. Cant make that shit up
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I love these dudes who barely lift at all throwing stones at others on a bb site. Cant make that shit up
I've worked out consistently for 30 years and you can see my posts on the training board (where you have almost none)
I just have no interest in seeing your gay photos (which I know is uncommon for this site)
sorry to break it to you Nancyboy
send them to TBombz instead
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Hold on now.
Let me understand.
The Patriot Act was never designed to be an investigative tool for the government to go on a massive fishing expedition. Judicial oversight, notice requirements and the like were supposed to be written into the law as procedural safeguards for the rights of ordinary Americans. Back when that was the line, Democrats overwhelmingly disapproved of the Patriot Act.
Now that it's being used (illegally in my opinion) to farm data on hundreds of millions of innocent people, Democrats think its a necessary weapon in fighting terrorism (even though Obama said terrorism was defeated a few weeks ago). lololol
If you ever needed proof that one side of the aisle is morally and intellectually bankrupt, this poll takes the cake.
It's the same idiotic justification these morons use for empowering the TSA. Racial profiling is bad! Molesting grandma is fairness!
Or more appropriately, we need this massive, illegal, expansive, intrusive tool to "protect Americans"-- but securing the border is bad! We must collect data on innocent people while allowing blanket amnesty to illegal aliens in the name of "fairness".
Yet another great post from GW.
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Why are you folks fascinated with 3's physique? I suspect that folks have a pre conceived notion of how folks look here and are shocked when anybody on getbig actually lifts.
this is getbig bro, 95% of the ppl here may "lift" but that doesnt mean they are working out.
you should have to post a picture to post here....
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Yet another great post from GW.
ya one side of the isle despite it being born out of a republican presidency and supported by many repubs currently? it's idiotic to suggest that.
Fury's fucking thread title and data inside indicate he is a moron of the highest order yet no one cares?
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ya one side of the isle despite it being born out of a republican presidency and supported by many repubs currently? it's idiotic to suggest that.
Fury's fucking thread title and data inside indicate he is a moron of the highest order yet no one cares?
Hey jackass - who ever defended this? It was the same leftist trolls like yourself who called W hitler Nazi etc for the very things you now say its ok for O-TWINK doing.
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Hey jackass - who ever defended this? It was the same leftist trolls like yourself who called W hitler Nazi etc for the very things you now say its ok for O-TWINK doing.
again, I don't see things in black and white, stupid people do. W was a twunt for doing it, it was probably more apt during his time since there was a major attack. Obama, really has taken it up a notch and the fervor that may have made the initiation of such an act digestible is gone.
I agree with you guys on this topic, I don't see Benghazi as an issue, I don't understand the issue with the IRS, I mean those groups should of been scrutinized correct? the targeting I get, but Obama is not behind every issue as if it was even possible.
you are always against the "left", coach for example acts like politics is a team sport.
I think it has been said that 9/11 could of been prevented if so escalating surveillance is probably not even required.
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This data mining bullshit has nothing to do with national security, would not have prevented 911 and does nothing to keep us safer.
Period.
Know what would have prevented 911? Enforcing our immigration laws for one thing. Information sharing between agencies for another thing. And being proactive with fighting the Islamic terrorists for a third thing. You know, good old fashioned common sense and intel work.
How is storing information on millions of innocent people in a gigantic government database supposed to prevent terrorism? Please explain that to me. How did it prevent the Boston bombing? Or wait.... Our insanely suicidal immigration policy led to that attack as well. What a coincidence. I mean what are the odds?
So you see, the solution is mass amnesty for illegals and extensive data mining forever!
The next step is going to be "precrime" like in that movie Minority Report. ::)
After they mine the data, they will predict crime before it happens. Utopia and paradise all around. With the government in charge of it all, what could go wrong?