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bob chick wants to make the fella say that weight dont matter, it's all about contraction etc; but the guy disagrees and then bob pretends thats what he meant
here kai greene claiming you dont need to lift heavy
1:55 charles glass says of course you need to train heavy how else do you grow muscles ??? ??? ???
here milos sarcev claiming you can develop a bigger chest with 80kg bench press than 200kg+ bench press
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it goes on and on and on
they contradict themselves every 2 sentences too
basically their advice is meaningless gibberish
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The first video was dave palumbo talking not bob chick ..
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it goes on and on and on
they contradict themselves every 2 sentences too
basically their advice is meaningless gibberish
don't you know that most of these shitheads build thier size through heavy progressive training and that they are just maintaining size throughout the bulk of thier career with this light pumping horseshit
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don't you know that most of these shitheads build thier size through heavy progressive training and that they are just maintaining size throughout the bulk of thier career with this light pumping horseshit
the main thing fueling both training protocals from heavy to maintaining and in between is the amounts of 'drugs'in the system from start low dose to progressive compounds/time on/yrs on ect,,,only way ....
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Said it many times before, none of these guys actually believe weight doesn't matter, despite what they say.
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Kai says weight don't matter.... yet.... military presses 405 like 3 weeks out. lol
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Kai says weight don't matter.... yet.... military presses 405 like 3 weeks out. lol
Exactly. Full of shit.
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there was a guy, dave pulcinela, who's brother shoots a lot of kai's videos, that said pros don't know shit. he says phil will say fish is good for you, but can't tell you why. it's just something he was told and now he will spew it out like gospel.
you got dusty hanshaw giving these bb.com natty's diabetes from pop tarts
and the whole, you GOTTA have a cheat meal every week. fuck, in 7 weeks I've had 1 cheat meal. didn't even wanna do it that day but I was traveling and I still kept my calories down
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04:23
bob chick wants to make the fella say that weight dont matter, it's all about contraction etc; but the guy disagrees and then bob pretends thats what he meant
here kai greene claiming you dont need to lift heavy
casey viator said this years ago, we don;t know what the hell we're doing, we just follow a system and hope it works.johnny mcwilliams said train hard drink plenty of water and pray most of it goes to your arms.
1:55 charles glass says of course you need to train heavy how else do you grow muscles ??? ??? ???
here milos sarcev claiming you can develop a bigger chest with 80kg bench press than 200kg+ bench press
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this is why that "penitentiary style" lifting works. it's heavy heavy weight for as much as you can. cuz your life is on the line. you fail on some pussy weight and you will be known as weak. you gotta die every workout.
tyrus hughes said ppl would let him lift cuz he was small at first. then he had a few years of curling 135 + dbs + boots tied to the bar. when someone of these geezers got back inside he was the bigger guy. said he curled every day for like a decade.
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If you've got superior genetics combined with consistent training, proper pharmaceuticals, and a good diet, you can train light or heavy. You will grow.
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never heard of such "contest prep & training gurus" back to 1970s & 1980s.
who was Arnold's guru?
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I under the belief that people attach to "gurus" for political reasons. Take Ramy as a recent example, with DJ being good friends with Weinerberger from NY gym he's gonna give Ramy a good look. Same as if you with Hany, Farah, etc. you got someone high profile who judges will be "I wonder what this fucker looks like" and you get more looks. more looks can only be a good thing
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Most average guys would get way better results if they dropped their weights by a 20-30 % and focused more on the target muscle. Doesn't mean you have to toy around with the 5 pds dumbbells like Milos was advertising. Middle course is the key.
On boatloads of drugs I think it doesn't even matter tough. If you're on the doses Ramy is on, all that matters is wheter you lift at all or not. lol
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Most average guys would get way better results if they dropped their weights by a 20-30 % and focused more on the target muscle. Doesn't mean you have to toy around with the 5 pds dumbbells like Milos was advertising. Middle course is the key.
On boatloads of drugs I think it doesn't even matter tough. If you're on the doses Ramy is on, all that matters is wheter you lift at all or not. lol
"grows into the show"
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Most average guys would get way better results if they dropped their weights by a 20-30 % and focused more on the target muscle. Doesn't mean you have to toy around with the 5 pds dumbbells like Milos was advertising. Middle course is the key.
On boatloads of drugs I think it doesn't even matter tough. If you're on the doses Ramy is on, all that matters is wheter you lift at all or not. lol
GREAT POINT,I WOULD HOPE EACH PERSON WHO TRAINS FINDS THAT POINT BEFORE THEY GET HURT OR BURN OUT.
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Most average guys would get way better results if they dropped their weights by a 20-30 % and focused more on the target muscle. Doesn't mean you have to toy around with the 5 pds dumbbells like Milos was advertising. Middle course is the key.
On boatloads of drugs I think it doesn't even matter tough. If you're on the doses Ramy is on, all that matters is wheter you lift at all or not. lol
GREAT POST
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it goes on and on and on
they contradict themselves every 2 sentences too
basically their advice is meaningless gibberish
8) You sir are correct . The whole industry is saturated with nutjobs .
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Why is this topic debated over and over again?
First, someone needs to decide: do you want to look like a bodybuilding or(!) do you want to lift maximum weights?
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whats heavy for a muscle and whats heavy for a muscle and all stabalising muscles are two different things
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bob chick wants to make the fella say that weight dont matter, it's all about contraction etc; but the guy disagrees and then bob pretends thats what he meant
"The fella" says there's a time and a place to concentrate and squeeze the muscle. And he's right. As for Chick, 10 years ago, he wrote two articles (one for FLEX, "Butchering Sacred Cows" and one for IronMan, "Squats Suck") that had many bodybuilding purists seeking to LYNCH him.
The point he made then and makes now is that, at a certain level, lifting superheavy becomes counterproductive. He's been there and done that, speaking on how he used to bench 500 on a regular, until he almost tore his pec.
here kai greene claiming you dont need to lift heavy
Kai is also superstrong, as he reps with weights that are most gym rats' maxes. He's concerned with contracting and feeling the muscles. It just so happens he can do that with superhuman poundages. Most guys can't.
Plus, there a difference between training for low reps for a set or two, after exhausting your muscles earlier in the workout, and doing low reps from the jump.
here milos sarcev claiming you can develop a bigger chest with 80kg bench press than 200kg+ bench press
Why is that so strange? There's a difference between bench-pressing with your PECS doing the work and bench-pressing, as in bouncing the bar off your ribcage, using too much delt and tricep, and arching your back to the point where you training partner is almost blowing you or you're about to castrate yourself with the overhead fans. (MuscleMag once referred to these guys as "ceiling-sexuals").That's what Milos basically said, contrary to the post you put up describing his video.
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never heard of such "contest prep & training gurus" back to 1970s & 1980s.
who was Arnold's guru?
Vince Gironda, during his early years.
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Said it many times before, none of these guys actually believe weight doesn't matter, despite what they say.
yes your posts made me think on the matter
you mentioned that while they claim weight dont matter
they all experiment with strength specific roids and cheat to lift heavier than they can with strict form
and they all lift 4 plates and more on pressing
yeah strength clearly dont matter
these guys want to troll us?
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Vince Gironda, during his early years.
THIS::::: ;D
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Why is this topic debated over and over again?
First, someone needs to decide: do you want to look like a bodybuilding or(!) do you want to lift maximum weights?
it's not that simple
see how they contradict themselves all the time
"i'm not a weightlifter, my goal is not to lift heavy weight"..........
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it's not that simple
see how they contradict themselves all the time
"i'm not a weightlifter, my goal is not to lift heavy weight"..........
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Kai is also superstrong, as he reps with weights that are most gym rats' maxes. He's concerned with contracting and feeling the muscles. It just so happens he can do that with superhuman poundages. Most guys can't.
"it just so happens" huh...
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"it just so happens" huh...
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Yeah! There are people who can do reps with poundages with superhuman poundages. I don't hear you complaining when RONNIE COLEMAN does the same thing, especially with all the Ronnie clips you put up.
What's the point of all your complaining? You supposedly have a world-class Olympic coach. Why is it any concern of yours what certain pros have to say about the matter?
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it's not that simple
see how they contradict themselves all the time
"i'm not a weightlifter, my goal is not to lift heavy weight"..........
There are multiple ways to achieve the same goal: maximum hypertrophy. There's no need to follow a specific training protocol (sets, reps, techniques, etc) over and over again.
Once again you're over analyzing things and thinking black & white, my friend.
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There are multiple ways to achieve the same goal: maximum hypertrophy. There's no need to follow a specific training protocol (sets, reps, techniques, etc) over and over again.
Once again you're over analyzing things and thinking black & white, my friend.
i have never seen a monster bber who could not press 4plate minimal
that's the fact of the matter, so how can we claim weight is not important
anyway this thing gives me a headache
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There are multiple ways to achieve the same goal: maximum hypertrophy. There's no need to follow a specific training protocol (sets, reps, techniques, etc) over and over again.
Once again you're over analyzing things and thinking black & white, my friend.
I agree
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RONNIE COLEMAN does the same thing
yes, i also see a lot of contradictions in ronnie's stories and theories
i guess bb training is just doing whatever and giving some pseudo theoretical explanation to it
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i have never seen a monster bber who could not press 4plate minimal
that's the fact of the matter, so how can we claim weight is not important
anyway this thing gives me a headache
Weight is important, ONLY IF the targeted muscle does the lifting of that weight. That's the point Milos, Kai, Chick, et. al. were making.
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Weight is important, ONLY IF the targeted muscle does the lifting of that weight. That's the point Milos, Kai, Chick, et. al. were making.
ronnie coleman actually agrees with iris kyle fella
he was asked do you think about "mind muscle and contraction and all that?"
and he said
"no because muscle contract automatically, i just push the weight"
yeah buddy
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yes, i also see a lot of contradictions in ronnie's stories and theories
i guess bb training is just doing whatever and giving some pseudo theoretical explanation to it
No, it's not. It's trial and error. It's using principles as a foundation, keeping what works, and scrapping what doesn't work.
And, as the saying goes, nearly everything works but not everything works indefinitely.
That's because your body doesn't stay static. Do you think I train the same way in my 40s that I did in my 20s? Do you think I eat the same way now as I did nearly a two decades ago?
It's standard procedure to hear guys (when they're younger) swear you need to lift everything that ain't nailed down, only to have a change of heart as the years (and perhaps the INJURIES) pile up.
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No, it's not. It's trial and error. It's using principles as a foundation, keeping what works, and scrapping what doesn't work.
And, as the saying goes, nearly everything works but not everything works indefinitely.
That's because your body doesn't stay static. Do you think I train the same way in my 40s that I did in my 20s? Do you think I eat the same way now as I did nearly a two decades ago?
It's standard procedure to hear guys (when they're younger) swear you need to lift everything that ain't nailed down, only to have a change of heart as the years (and perhaps the INJURIES) pile up.
doesnt change the fact they made those real good gains by lifting heavy
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ronnie coleman actually agrees with iris kyle fella
he was asked do you think about "mind muscle and contraction and all that?"
and he said
"no because muscle contract automatically, i just push the weight"
yeah buddy
Yet, you've made thread after thread and post after post, complaining about not wanting to lift heavy weight. Remember that whole thing about squatting?
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What's the point of all your complaining? You supposedly have a world-class Olympic coach. Why is it any concern of yours what certain pros have to say about the matter?
This guy has a "world-class Olympic coach"? He's slightly retarded and would have a blood and guts battle of wits with Jason Genova.
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Yet, you've made thread after thread and post after post, complaining about not wanting to lift heavy weight. Remember that whole thing about squatting?
i dont want to lift heavy
but if it's required to build big muscles i have no choice ::)
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It's obvious that if you want to get HUGE like fuck you have to lift big weights. Everyone who is huge lifted heavy weights at one point or another. People just don't realise that after you reached 250x8 in squat you don't have to get over 140kg to maintain most of this muscle on drugs.
Just get there and maintain. The stronger you got the bigger you will be.
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doesnt change the fact they made those real good gains by lifting heavy
You don't like lifting heavy, per your previous posts.
Plus, the point you keep missing is that, EVEN IF you do, the target muscle must do the lion's share of the work.
It's been stated repeatedly that there's a difference between lifting heavy (with the intended muscles getting the bulk of the work) and lifting heavy (nearly every muscle BUT the targeted one, getting the stress).
That's why you have guys who can push 400 or 500 plus, yet have pancake-sized pecs. One example that comes to mind was a pro wrestler from back in the day, the late Ray "Hercules" Hernandez.
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It's obvious that if you want to get HUGE like fuck you have to lift big weights. Everyone who is huge lifted heavy weights at one point or another. People just don't realise that after you reached 250x8 in squat you don't have to get over 140kg to maintain most of this muscle on drugs.
Just get there and maintain. The stronger you got the bigger you will be.
this is my hypothesis
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i dont want to lift heavy
but if it's required to build big muscles i have no choice ::)
Should we dredge up your old threads and re-hash all your wailing about that?
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B-boy was right all the time.
Get strong and big and when you get big enough switch to high volume and maintain with lighter weights.
That's the way everyone I know trains.
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B-boy was right all the time.
Get strong and big and when you get big enough switch to high volume and maintain with lighter weights.
That's the way everyone I know trains.
did this guy lift heavy?
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This guy has a "world-class Olympic coach"? He's slightly retarded and would have a blood and guts battle of wits with Jason Genova.
That's what he claims; yet, he keeps complaining about what the pros say about getting big as it relates to lifting weights and especially eating.
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did this guy lift heavy?
He did, at least during his football years.
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That's what he claims; yet, he keeps complaining about what the pros say about getting big as it relates to lifting weights and especially eating.
i said i trained with a world class coach. yes. your point?
weightlifting is not even remotely similar to bodybuilding
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also weightlifting coaches are old guys who walk with a cane, not juiced up broscientists with a youtube channel
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i have never seen a monster bber who could not press 4plate minimal
that's the fact of the matter, so how can we claim weight is not important
anyway this thing gives me a headache
There's a difference between being capable to lift 4 plates and the necessity to train this way, week in & week out.
I remember Ricardo Gya very well, a former IFBB pro with a great chest, who trained in the same gym. 90% of the time he was benching 1-2 plates. There was a publication of his training schedule in a magazine, and guess his response: "that's not the way I train!". I remember him as an honest & intelligent person, so I have no reason not to believe him.
Over analyzing things give you a headache ;D
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jose raymond said he trained real heavy on bench for a while and he got super strong but his chest went flat like a little girl
the mysteries of bodybuilding will not be unraveled today
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He's just a troll. This is same guy that supposedly took viagra or cialis or something in place of finasteride. Or something of equal stupidity I can't remember.
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paul dillet says go heavy once a month
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paul dillet says go heavy once a month
AAAAHHHH!!!!! Herein lies your problem. You mistakenly think "go heavy" means merely one-rep max. That's not the concept, unless you're a powerlifter (based on your shots at CT Fletcher, that's not a goal of yours).
Going heavy usually means the most poundage you can move, WITH GOOD FORM, for 6-8 reps. Once a month, SURE, go for a one-rep max. But, for the most part, stick with that rep range.
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the weider scientists say you need to lift heavy and explosive to hit the white fibras
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the weider scientists say you need to lift heavy and explosive to hit the white fibras
And......
I saw that video MONTHS ago. I also saw the accompanying NUTRITION video (which you nee to watch....MULTIPLE TIMES).
Here!!
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And......
I saw that video MONTHS ago. I also saw the accompanying NUTRITION video (which you nee to watch....MULTIPLE TIMES).
Here!!
you think it's good information or a joke?
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you think it's good information or a joke?
The information is solid, hardly in contrast in what I and others have been saying.
But, you're the one with the Olympic world-class coach. Why should Weider tapes from 20 years ago be a concern to you now?
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The information is solid, hardly in contrast in what I and others have been saying.
But, you're the one with the Olympic world-class coach. Why should Weider tapes from 20 years ago be a concern to you now?
you really dont know what weightlifting is all about it seems
it's nothing like bb, nothing
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you really dont know what weightlifting is all about it seems
it's nothing like bb, nothing
I'm sorry!! Who started the thread about his arms being 16", calling people MFers?
You're not posting videos about Olympic weightlifting; you're posting videos about BODYBUILDING!
Speaking of this very issue....
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I'm sorry!! Who started the thread about his arms being 16", calling people MFers?
You're not posting videos about Olympic weightlifting; you're posting videos about BODYBUILDING!
Speaking of this very issue....
do you have some mental impairment?
no shit, i'm trying to figure out bb, why would i ask bbers about weightlifting ::)
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do you have some mental impairment?
no shit, i'm trying to figure out bb, why would i ask bbers about weightlifting ::)
Then why do you talk about your OLYMPIC coach? Bodybuilding ain't in the Olympics. Joe and Ben tried their best to get it there (had Olympic recognition for a few years).
What are you trying to figure out? Basically every question you've asked has been answered in spades. I suspect your issue isn't about lack of knowledge; it's lack of WORK and EFFORT.
It appears you like posting pics of Ronnie more than actually heeding the point of one of his most popular sayings......
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fucking hell this guy is clearly retarded
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fucking hell this guy is clearly retarded
Step away from the mirror, please.
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Most average guys would get way better results if they dropped their weights by a 20-30 % and focused more on the target muscle. Doesn't mean you have to toy around with the 5 pds dumbbells like Milos was advertising. Middle course is the key.
On boatloads of drugs I think it doesn't even matter tough. If you're on the doses Ramy is on, all that matters is wheter you lift at all or not. lol
bingo.... x 100
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bob chick wants to make the fella say that weight dont matter, it's all about contraction etc; but the guy disagrees and then bob pretends thats what he meant
here kai greene claiming you dont need to lift heavy
1:55 charles glass says of course you need to train heavy how else do you grow muscles ??? ??? ???
here milos sarcev claiming you can develop a bigger chest with 80kg bench press than 200kg+ bench press
Instead of just watching that shit, you should be able to understand what you see, and it is obvious that you lack brain capacity to accomplish that. Let just say that there is more than one road to goal, and you seem to be lost all of them. Do you understand? Your lack of the gray matter between your ears makes you too dumb to even lift weights, and that has to be some kind of record.
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Instead of just watching that shit, you should be able to understand what you see, and it is obvious that you lack brain capacity to accomplish that. Let just say that there is more than one road to goal, and you seem to be lost all of them. Do you understand? Your lack of the gray matter between your ears makes you too dumb to even lift weights, and that has to be some kind of record.
jason genova doesnt understand it either, and he is basically a genius
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jason genova doesnt understand it either, and he is basically a genius
He is a genius compared to you, that is quite evident. What you are, I don't know, but I put you somewhere between full retard and stupid amoeba.
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Of course you must lift heavy. But heavy for you,not for others.
Amount of weight is depend on your genetic.
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they contradict themselves every 2 sentences too
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Just like your, bullshitting contradiction :P
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If I left California in my car headed for New York, do you think there would be only one set of directions that would get me there?
If I trained "naturally" (whatever that means) do you think that I would feel the need to train the same way if I was boat-loading Test, Tren and HGH?
Does everyone listen to the exact same music?
Is bodybuilding a subjective "sport" or is it much more objective and dogmatic like Mike Mentzer used to preach?
Are there many means to an end? Does the exact same protocol work for every guy or gal?
How come everyone doesn't train the same? How come everyone doesn't look the same? How come everyone doesn't eat the same foods?
Has it ever crossed your minds that maybe these "gurus" are more knowledgeable when they know what kinds of drugs you are using? Maybe their "expertise" actually lies in pharmacology and empirical data?
It is all horse-shit.
Why are there a bazillion books on diets and workout regimens?
Nobody has the answers. I doubt they ever will. If scientists are still finding new hormones that they never knew existed in the human body, how can a gym rat truly know what is happening to him physiologically?
There are studies now showing that certain muscle groups have the ability to fire off individual muscle fibers within a muscle as opposed to the *theory* of the past that said the *whole muscle* contracts.
There are also new studies that are killing off the mythology of spot-reduction.
We are still in the dark ages. People talk like they know what is right. They may even sound convincing with all of their logic and anatomical studies... but, it doesn't make it fact.
Keep on truckin'
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It's easy to be a training guru of a genetically gifted guy: Any kind of training will work, whatever he eats or injects will work.
The dificulty is to train a scrawny or fatzo injury prone individual with zero response to most steroids, except to the side bad effects of them - that's a challenge!