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http://www.lex18.com/news/house-votes-to-cut-food-stamps-by-2-billion/
WASHINGTON (AP) - The House voted on Wednesday to cut food stamps by $2 billion a year as part of a wide-ranging farm bill.
The chamber rejected 234-188 a Democratic amendment to the five-year, half-trillion-dollar farm legislation that would have maintained current spending on food stamps, now called the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP. The overall bill cuts the $80 billion-a-year program by about 3 percent and makes it harder for some people to qualify.
The food stamp cuts have complicated passage of the bill and its farm-state supporters were working to secure votes Wednesday. Many conservatives have said the food stamp cuts do not go far enough since the program has doubled in cost in the last five years and now feeds 1 in 7 Americans. Liberals have argued against any reductions, contending the House plan could take as many as 2 million needy recipients off the rolls. The White House has threatened a veto over the food stamp cuts.
The amendment by Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass., and other Democrats would have eliminated the SNAP cuts and taken the money from farm subsidies instead.
"It's too big, it's too harsh and it's going to hurt so many people," McGovern said of the food aid cuts.
Other amendments chipped away at the program. The House adopted by voice vote an amendment to require drug tests for SNAP recipients, angering Democrats who said the tests would be demeaning to people who apply for the food aid. Lawmakers also adopted by voice vote an amendment that would end a 2004 U.S.-Mexico agreement to educate Mexican-Americans about food stamps. More amendments are expected to try and scale back the program.
Also complicating passage is growing Republican opposition to farm subsidies, some of which are expanded under the bill. Republicans have proposed amendments that would cut back dairy and sugar supports that could turn lawmakers from certain regions of the country against the bill if they were to succeed.
The House is scheduled to continue voting on 103 amendments to the bill Thursday with a vote on passage possibly next week. As of Wednesday, it was unclear if Republicans had enough votes.
In an effort to push the legislation through, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said last week that he would vote for it, while making it clear that he did not really like it. He said he wants to get the bill to House and Senate negotiators for a potential deal, and that passing the bill was better than doing nothing.
The legislation would cut around $4 billion a year in overall spending on farm and nutrition programs. The Senate passed its version of the farm bill last week, with about $2.4 billion a year in overall cuts and a $400 million annual decrease in the SNAP program - about a fifth of the amount of the House food stamp cuts.
Democratic leaders have said they will wait to see how the House votes on the many amendments, but have so far signaled opposition to the measure. Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi of California argued against the food stamp cuts on the floor Wednesday and was a "likely no" on the bill, according to an aide. No. 2 House Democrat Steny Hoyer of Maryland called the food stamp cuts "irresponsible."
The chairman of the House Agriculture Committee, Rep. Frank Lucas, R-Okla., told colleagues that a robust farm policy was necessary to avoid farm crises like those in the 1930s and 1980s.
"I will work with all of you to improve this draft," he said Tuesday. "I ask you to work with me."
The legislation would achieve some of the food stamp cuts by partially eliminating what is called categorical eligibility, or giving people automatic food stamp benefits when they sign up for certain other programs. The bill would end a practice in some states of giving low-income people as little as $1 a year in home heating assistance, even when they don't have heating bills, in order to make them eligible for increased food stamp benefits.
Lucas said the cuts would still allow people who qualify to apply for food stamps, they just wouldn't automatically get them.
The Oklahoma Republican has called the overall legislation the "most reform-minded bill in decades" because it would make needed cuts to food stamps and eliminate $5 billion a year in direct payments, subsidies that are paid to farmers whether they grow or not. The bill would expand crop insurance and makes it easier for rice and peanut farmers to collect subsidies.
The bill also sets policy for international food aid abroad, which is currently shipped from U.S. farms. The House rejected an amendment to shift around half of international food aid money to more flexible accounts that allow for cash purchases abroad.
The Obama administration has proposed shifting the way the food aid is distributed, saying it would be more efficient to make purchases closer to conflict areas.
(Copyright 2013 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.)
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"It's too big, it's too harsh and it's going to hurt so many people," McGovern said of the food aid cuts.
it's going to hurt a lot of kids. stupid fucks! ::)
even 3rd world countries don't cut their food programs to the poor.
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"POor" are generally black single mother, who literraly "lay" children, so that don't disturb me much more.
It's time for black ppl to put the word "responsability" in their vocabulary.
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Why not cut food stamps and farm subsidies? ???
» Although politicians love to discuss the plight of small farmers, the vast majority of farm subsidies go to the largest farms. In recent years, the biggest 10 percent of farm businesses have received 72 percent of farm subsidies, according to the Environmental Working Group.
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NO one should be hungry in the USA
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the house is filled with many gopers n tea party brain dead idiots they vote many things senate just doesnt pass their stupid bills think of it like a f grade student turning his work into teach only to be somehow suprised he got another f rejected ! ;D
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Here is an interesting question. Do you guys think that if it was a requirement to do 5 hours a month of volunteer work to get food stamps, would a lot of people do that or just not get the food stamps? I feel if they truly needed them they would.
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By the way... It's really annoying to constantly be in line at the grocery behind black women (who always walk slow trying to hold someone up) who are dressed in expensive name brand clothing, that pay with their Food Stamp card.
You then follow them out and they're driving an M Class Mercedes.
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Here is an interesting question. Do you guys think that if it was a requirement to do 5 hours a month of volunteer work to get food stamps, would a lot of people do that or just not get the food stamps? I feel if they truly needed them they would.
Something simple like this would weed out the abusers real quick.
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How about every one do five hours per month we owe it to our country just like I say we should all serve at some point
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:D ;D
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the house is filled with many gopers n tea party brain dead idiots they vote many things senate just doesnt pass their stupid bills think of it like a f grade student turning his work into teach only to be somehow suprised he got another f rejected ! ;D
Says the homo from the party with the least amount of commonsense.
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NO one should be hungry in this World period
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By the way... It's really annoying to constantly be in line at the grocery behind black women (who always walk slow trying to hold someone up) who are dressed in expensive name brand clothing, that pay with their Food Stamp card.
You then follow them out and they're driving an M Class Mercedes.
Happens to me all the time. I can pick em out before they even pull the card out. I'm there with just a few items paying cash I worked hard to earn, and the EBT user has their cart full, usually of junk, and out comes the card. ::) one day I should just say "you're welcome!"
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Its going to effect kids.
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Happens to me all the time. I can pick em out before they even pull the card out. I'm there with just a few items paying cash I worked hard to earn, and the EBT user has their cart full, usually of junk, and out comes the card. ::) one day I should just say "you're welcome!"
I'm seriously relieved to know that this shit doesn't just happen to me!!! ;D
Have you noticed the black people walking/driving slow thing? I swear these people try to make me late.
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Its going to effect kids.
Just up the dosage abortions.
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If it keeps them inside and out of the way, I'd rather just give most of them the food stamps. Instead of the 5 hours of month volunteer work, how about to get food stamps, they can only be outside of their apartment/house 1 hour a day?
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I'm seriously relieved to know that this shit doesn't just happen to me!!! ;D
Have you noticed the black people walking/driving slow thing? I swear these people try to make me late.
Luckily here in the pacific nw we don't have huge numbers of blacks. I noticed they are bad drivers and drive shitty cars. And I think the reason for walking slow is they just want to "chill". Not in a hurry when you don't have a job.
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nothing wrong with making anyone that is on govt help who comes into the hospital for free sterile for the rest of their life.
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How many people on ebt do you think are fraudulently stealing from the system?
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nothing wrong with making anyone that is on govt help who comes into the hospital for free sterile for the rest of their life.
X2. Heaven forbid these americano whores wait until marriage to have sex.
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"It's too big, it's too harsh and it's going to hurt so many people," McGovern said of the food aid cuts.
it's going to hurt a lot of kids. stupid fucks! ::)
even 3rd world countries don't cut their food programs to the poor.
Obama loves the poor you stupid fuk.
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The food stamp program has exploded under Obama. So has people getting a check for life through social security disability. Unemployment checks for years under him? Suddenly they find the majority find some kind of job once their unemployment runs out. Free money for farmers is a massive welfare waste. Many "farmers" it's their profit money. In other words they make no money from farming.
If you haven't heard the US funds is running a massive negative cash flow every year. The only way we survive is through loans from countries like China. Bury your head in the sand and kick the can down the road thinking who cares? When it all comes crashing down like Greece or Spain you will see poverty on a scale like you have never seen. When the Republicans try to reign in spending the Democrats say, see what scum bags they are. Don't worry Democrats. There will be basically a one party system soon where the only choice will which Democrat you want instead of Republicans vs Democrats. That's when this country will fail because there isn't enough workers paying taxes to make this country work for the takers.
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but the black ppl could just grow watermelons in their gardens and hunt chicken ;D
Lol.
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"It's too big, it's too harsh and it's going to hurt so many people," McGovern said of the food aid cuts.
it's going to hurt a lot of kids. stupid fucks! ::)
even 3rd world countries don't cut their food programs to the poor.
Why do you always have to mention these other shit countries? How long before you start talking about "mulattas"? Idiot.
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By the way... It's really annoying to constantly be in line at the grocery behind black women (who always walk slow trying to hold someone up) who are dressed in expensive name brand clothing, that pay with their Food Stamp card.
You then follow them out and they're driving an M Class Mercedes.
Pretty much. But it isn't just black people. Everybody just sells the shit here for 40-50 cents on the dollar.
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There is no way in America 1 in 7 need food stamps.
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There is no way in America 1 in 7 need food stamps.
with the high rate of obesity on poor people i think the cut is a good thing.
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There is no way in America 1 in 7 need food stamps.
why not? 6 in 7 are overfed.
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That's when this country will fail because there isn't enough workers paying taxes to make this country work for the takers.
This. This. This.
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i just read the world in general is expected to get into big troubles as far food and its prices go if the population grows as expected till 2050.
How you figure that? Mexicans can rap anything in a Tortilla.
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Luckily here in the pacific nw we don't have huge numbers of blacks. I noticed they are bad drivers and drive shitty cars. And I think the reason for walking slow is they just want to "chill". Not in a hurry when you don't have a job.
Illegal Mexicans are the worst up here, those fucks will literally drive 20 mph in a 45 and take up two lanes. I seriously have almost climbed out of my car and attacked one of these worthless morons.
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Welfare for the Mega Agriculture Companies as well as large corporations and the rich wastes a lot more of your taxpayer dollars than food stamps.
Food stamps and such is really a drop in the bucket when compared to corporate welfare.
As mentioned above, welfare for "farmers" is really welfare for giant agriculture corporations. The handouts are based on acreage.
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Looking at the numbers, in fiscal year 2011, 36.6% of people on foodstamps are white, 22.8% are black (non-hispanic), 9.6% hispanic, 2.4% Asian.
http://www.fns.usda.gov/ora/MENU/Published/snap/FILES/Participation/2011Characteristics.pdf
Page 59, Table A21.
I always hear all this complaining about this race and that race on food stamps. Here are your numbers. Whites will try to spin this and say because they are over 50% of the population more of them are bound to be on food stamps...bullshit. We're not looking at that, just raw numbers and whites have the most.
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Looking at the numbers, in fiscal year 2011, 36.6% of people on foodstamps are white, 22.8% are black (non-hispanic) 9.6% hispanic, 2.4% Asian.
http://www.fns.usda.gov/ora/MENU/Published/snap/FILES/Participation/2011Characteristics.pdf
Page 59, Table A21.
I always hear all this complaining about this race and that race on food stamps. Here are your numbers. Whites will try to spin this and say because they are over 50% of the population more of them are bound to be on food stamps...bullshit. We're not looking at that, just raw numbers and whites have the most.
Damn wiggers. ;D
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Damn wiggers. ;D
;) :)
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Looking at the numbers, in fiscal year 2011, 36.6% of people on foodstamps are white, 22.8% are black (non-hispanic) 9.6% hispanic, 2.4% Asian.
http://www.fns.usda.gov/ora/MENU/Published/snap/FILES/Participation/2011Characteristics.pdf
Page 59, Table A21.
I always hear all this complaining about this race and that race on food stamps. Here are your numbers. Whites will try to spin this and say because they are over 50% of the population more of them are bound to be on food stamps...bullshit. We're not looking at that, just raw numbers and whites have the most.
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oh brother, you just opened pandora's box. the wiki bitches like adonis and stark will try to refute evidence, even if it is factual.
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Here in Massachusetts we give out more welfare than Texas and Florida even though their populations are much bigger than ours.
In the great state of Maine there are more people on welfare than people that pay taxes...
Overrun with free loaders.......FUCKED
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Good, this program has grown far more than it was supposed to. They said they increased funding because of the recession...so it is appropriate to take that increase away...but when you give people free shit, its so hard to take it away. At least raise the eligibility for food stamps. College kids are getting food stamps...that is what loans and side jobs are for.
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1 in 7 Americans now dependent on government food stamps? That is outrageous!
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oh brother, you just opened pandora's box. the wiki bitches like adonis and stark will try to refute evidence, even if it is factual.
Anyone referencing wiki should be put in a camp. These are directly from the government. The only argument they'll have is percentages which don't matter. Just sheer numbers under the SNAP program. They beat second place by 14% that's alot. So if whites are complaining about "minorities" draining the system, they should look to their own poor people first.
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Looking at the numbers, in fiscal year 2011, 36.6% of people on foodstamps are white, 22.8% are black (non-hispanic), 9.6% hispanic, 2.4% Asian.
http://www.fns.usda.gov/ora/MENU/Published/snap/FILES/Participation/2011Characteristics.pdf
Page 59, Table A21.
I always hear all this complaining about this race and that race on food stamps. Here are your numbers. Whites will try to spin this and say because they are over 50% of the population more of them are bound to be on food stamps...bullshit. We're not looking at that, just raw numbers and whites have the most.
i think you forget one stat.
race unknown = 18.4% = black not african american.
so black = 22.8 + 18.4 = 41.2 %
Most important thing, black ppl represent only 13% of the total population but 22.8% (or 41.2%) of welfare user.
So of course the number of white on welfare is higher, cos they represent 72% of population.
nummber must be used in their context.
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Total number of people on welfare - 4.3 million
Total number of people on SSDI - 8.8 million
Oh my back.....
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Total number of people on welfare - 4.3 million
Total number of people on SSDI - 8.8 million
Oh my back.....
SSDI is where the disenfranchised unemployed are hidden.
There is an entire legal industry based around getting people on it.
http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/ (http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/)
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Sad fuckin article right there.....
Read the Jahleel story under 'kids' ::)
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Why cant food stamps only be used for basic foods like rice and beans and waybe the oddbag of oats or potatoesif their lucky?
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NO one should be hungry in the USA
NO one should be hungry in this World period
There's even enough excess in the USA to feed the World.
If anything dollars should be added to the food stamp budget.
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i think you forget one stat.
race unknown = 18.4% = black not african american.
so black = 22.8 + 18.4 = 41.2 %
Most important thing, black ppl represent only 13% of the total population but 22.8% (or 41.2%) of welfare user.
So of course the number of white on welfare is higher, cos they represent 72% of population.
nummber must be used in their context.
Quit making shit up Frenchy....Taken directly from footnotes of table A21. "i
This category includes the following values: Unknown; Not recorded on the application for this individual; The application was not found during the QC review, therefore racial/ethnic data is not available."
So no, Blacks = 22.8% on welfare.
As I stated, this isn't about % of Americans are black or white. This is about sheer SNAP numbers. Quit making excuses for whites.
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Quit making shit up Frenchy....Taken directly from footnotes of table A21. "i
This category includes the following values: Unknown; Not recorded on the application for this individual; The application was not found during the QC review, therefore racial/ethnic data is not available."
So no, Blacks = 22.8% on welfare.
As I stated, this isn't about % of Americans are black or white. This is about sheer SNAP numbers. Quit making excuses for whites.
KILL WHITEY!!!!
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KILL WHITEY!!!!
No. Hell no. Just keep it real.
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Quit making shit up Frenchy....Taken directly from footnotes of table A21. "i
This category includes the following values: Unknown; Not recorded on the application for this individual; The application was not found during the QC review, therefore racial/ethnic data is not available."
So no, Blacks = 22.8% on welfare.
As I stated, this isn't about % of Americans are black or white. This is about sheer SNAP numbers. Quit making excuses for whites.
True - I would put all the welfare cases on a work detail. no excuses for whites to be on welfare
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There is more than enough means in this country. There is too much waste. Quit stringing people along at the poverty level with welfare. Some just need to start doing for themselves.
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No. Hell no. Just keep it real.
Certainly, I shall keep it real. ;D
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Certainly, I shall keep it real. ;D
lololol. Embarrassing as hell.
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lololol. Embarrassing as hell.
an over-the-top parody of a racial stereotype, but funny for what it is. ;)
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True - I would put all the welfare cases on a work detail. no excuses for whites to be on welfare
Agreed. If a white person is on welfare they should be ashamed of themselves.
What do you think about unemployment checks ?
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Agreed. If a white person is on welfare they should be ashamed of themselves.
What do you think about unemployment checks ?
This is not directed towards me but I think people should be randomly tested for unemployment checks. If you don't show up, no, check.
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Between this and Zimmermen about to go scott free the black community will be in turmoil ;D
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This is not directed towards me but I think people should be randomly tested for unemployment checks. If you don't show up, no, check.
Randomly?? How about Mandatory!
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Food stamp use is way beyond the inner city communities. It has spread like a virus, leeching our tax dollars. They lowered the financial requirements and advertise the program. Screw making this a black vs latino vs white issue...people of all colors are using food stamps in increasing numbers over the past 5 yrs, and like I said previously, even college kids and tons of people between jobs taking advantage of the 'free' stuff. 1 in 7 people in this country using food stamps, outrageous. Our generation and the next are fucked if we don't address expanding government dependency.
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1. The Government is always looking for more power.
2. People have to think they need government to live.
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http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/
Amazing
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Want to wipe out poverty in less than one generation here in the US? Here's how:
- Rather than giving out EBT cards where food stamp recipients use at supermarkets, give them a voucher for food-stuffs only at designated food warehouses....sugary cereals and snacks? Nope, not at the taxpayer's expense....here is a box of plain oatmeal and Wheatabix cereal. Soda's? nope.....Juicy Juice instead. This would cut out a lot of corruption and would give incentives to recipients to work to get off the program.
- Voluntary Sterilization. The Government will pay any able-bodied male $10,000 if that male willfully submits to a sterilization program. Leroy, Jorge, and Bubba Jim are now not producing future prison inmates, but spending their money on rims, candy paint jobs for their '85 Olds Cutlasses, used pinatas, and Popov Vodka.
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- Voluntary Sterilization. The Government will pay any able-bodied male $10,000 if that male willfully submits to a sterilization program. Leroy, Jorge, and Bubba Jim are now not producing future prison inmates, but spending their money on rims, candy paint jobs for their '85 Olds Cutlasses, used pinatas, and Popov Vodka.
This x100
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What cost more for a society? People on food stamps or people who go into more debt than they can possibly pay? Both of these are forms of control.
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Quit making shit up Frenchy....Taken directly from footnotes of table A21. "i
This category includes the following values: Unknown; Not recorded on the application for this individual; The application was not found during the QC review, therefore racial/ethnic data is not available."
So no, Blacks = 22.8% on welfare.
As I stated, this isn't about % of Americans are black or white. This is about sheer SNAP numbers. Quit making excuses for whites.
yes i read the table a21.
black 12% of population = 22.8% of welfare. + 18% of unknown (certainly african non american like haitien, dominican, )
white 72 % of population = 36 % of welfare.
the term "african american" lead to a bad interpretation.
They don't speak about asian american or hispanic american but they speak about african american.
If they use the term black (like they use asian or hispanic) instead of "african american" and unknow and you got the magic number of 41%
so in proportion black are over represented in welfare.
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Want to wipe out poverty in less than one generation here in the US? Here's how:
- Rather than giving out EBT cards where food stamp recipients use at supermarkets, give them a voucher for food-stuffs only at designated food warehouses....sugary cereals and snacks? Nope, not at the taxpayer's expense....here is a box of plain oatmeal and Wheatabix cereal. Soda's? nope.....Juicy Juice instead. This would cut out a lot of corruption and would give incentives to recipients to work to get off the program.
- Voluntary Sterilization. The Government will pay any able-bodied male $10,000 if that male willfully submits to a sterilization program. Leroy, Jorge, and Bubba Jim are now not producing future prison inmates, but spending their money on rims, candy paint jobs for their '85 Olds Cutlasses, used pinatas, and Popov Vodka.
Like I said earlier in the thread, most aren't interested in anything but selling the shit for half price.
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http://www.lex18.com/news/house-votes-to-cut-food-stamps-by-2-billion/
WASHINGTON (AP) - The House voted on Wednesday to cut food stamps by $2 billion a year as part of a wide-ranging farm bill.
The chamber rejected 234-188 a Democratic amendment to the five-year, half-trillion-dollar farm legislation that would have maintained current spending on food stamps, now called the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP. The overall bill cuts the $80 billion-a-year program by about 3 percent and makes it harder for some people to qualify.
The food stamp cuts have complicated passage of the bill and its farm-state supporters were working to secure votes Wednesday. Many conservatives have said the food stamp cuts do not go far enough since the program has doubled in cost in the last five years and now feeds 1 in 7 Americans. Liberals have argued against any reductions, contending the House plan could take as many as 2 million needy recipients off the rolls. The White House has threatened a veto over the food stamp cuts.
The amendment by Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass., and other Democrats would have eliminated the SNAP cuts and taken the money from farm subsidies instead.
"It's too big, it's too harsh and it's going to hurt so many people," McGovern said of the food aid cuts.
Other amendments chipped away at the program. The House adopted by voice vote an amendment to require drug tests for SNAP recipients, angering Democrats who said the tests would be demeaning to people who apply for the food aid. Lawmakers also adopted by voice vote an amendment that would end a 2004 U.S.-Mexico agreement to educate Mexican-Americans about food stamps. More amendments are expected to try and scale back the program.
Also complicating passage is growing Republican opposition to farm subsidies, some of which are expanded under the bill. Republicans have proposed amendments that would cut back dairy and sugar supports that could turn lawmakers from certain regions of the country against the bill if they were to succeed.
The House is scheduled to continue voting on 103 amendments to the bill Thursday with a vote on passage possibly next week. As of Wednesday, it was unclear if Republicans had enough votes.
In an effort to push the legislation through, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said last week that he would vote for it, while making it clear that he did not really like it. He said he wants to get the bill to House and Senate negotiators for a potential deal, and that passing the bill was better than doing nothing.
The legislation would cut around $4 billion a year in overall spending on farm and nutrition programs. The Senate passed its version of the farm bill last week, with about $2.4 billion a year in overall cuts and a $400 million annual decrease in the SNAP program - about a fifth of the amount of the House food stamp cuts.
Democratic leaders have said they will wait to see how the House votes on the many amendments, but have so far signaled opposition to the measure. Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi of California argued against the food stamp cuts on the floor Wednesday and was a "likely no" on the bill, according to an aide. No. 2 House Democrat Steny Hoyer of Maryland called the food stamp cuts "irresponsible."
The chairman of the House Agriculture Committee, Rep. Frank Lucas, R-Okla., told colleagues that a robust farm policy was necessary to avoid farm crises like those in the 1930s and 1980s.
"I will work with all of you to improve this draft," he said Tuesday. "I ask you to work with me."
The legislation would achieve some of the food stamp cuts by partially eliminating what is called categorical eligibility, or giving people automatic food stamp benefits when they sign up for certain other programs. The bill would end a practice in some states of giving low-income people as little as $1 a year in home heating assistance, even when they don't have heating bills, in order to make them eligible for increased food stamp benefits.
Lucas said the cuts would still allow people who qualify to apply for food stamps, they just wouldn't automatically get them.
The Oklahoma Republican has called the overall legislation the "most reform-minded bill in decades" because it would make needed cuts to food stamps and eliminate $5 billion a year in direct payments, subsidies that are paid to farmers whether they grow or not. The bill would expand crop insurance and makes it easier for rice and peanut farmers to collect subsidies.
The bill also sets policy for international food aid abroad, which is currently shipped from U.S. farms. The House rejected an amendment to shift around half of international food aid money to more flexible accounts that allow for cash purchases abroad.
The Obama administration has proposed shifting the way the food aid is distributed, saying it would be more efficient to make purchases closer to conflict areas.
(Copyright 2013 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.)
Good. If you keep spawning little rats you can't afford, suffer. If you're that much of a parasite that refuse to work in the long term. Suffer.
Why on fucking earth we keep propping up this toilet genetics that keep spawning more worthless mouths to feed is beyond me. Might actually do them a favour by pulling the carpet out from under them. Literally force them to take responsibility for their own economic well being.
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Conditional cash transfer programs have a good record overseas and there doesn't seem to be any compelling reason they wouldn't work here as well.
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NO one should be hungry in the USA
not exactly the current reality.
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We absolutely should have the right to dictate what food types or brands people using food stamps use, it is our tax dollars.
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We absolutely should have the right to dictate what food types or brands people using food stamps use, it is our tax dollars.
Damn right - we should have food depots - not these scams and ebt swipe cards.
Beans, Rice, potatoes, etc for these people - no lobsters and steaks
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The ONLY person responsible for feeding a child, and ensuring it's possible to feed a child is the parent.
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The ONLY person responsible for feeding a child, and ensuring it's possible to feed a child is the parent.
Not according to that hag on msnbc Harris Perry.
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Damn right - we should have food depots - not these scams and ebt swipe cards.
Beans, Rice, potatoes, etc for these people - no lobsters and steaks
being on food stamp should be a hard enough to convince ppl to leave "the food stamp way of life".
No kfc, all rice and bean in 100lbs bag, one bag per month for a family.
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Food stamps and other subsidies to big food keep the price of low grade meat and grains artificially lowered.
But it's nothing like as bad as the government ignoring big food importing millions of illiterate Mexican illegal rednecks to work on their farms and plants. if we have to gve them money to manipulate the market then I'd rather keep subsidies and food stamps than allow an invasion of millions of midgets with room temp iqs and broods of kids to be fed on our collective dime. With food stamps.
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Wrong
people are starving the USA
and people are starving in the World
NOT one person should starve in this day and age
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Wrong
people are starving the USA
and people are starving in the World
NOT one person should starve in this day and age
It's a great idea but platitudes like this can only be done in the context of individual freedom. Sure, everyone should have enough to eat...but at what cost to other? And why stop at food? Morally can we not say that people should also have clothes? Then what...shelter? How about education? Healthcare? Its an easy slope from there to unemployment and welfare...and what about social security for the elderly? And then we're right back here where we started.
All these ideas are grand and moral...to a point...and that point is when the cost of these programs comes from the forceful taking of other people's capital (taxation).
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The ONLY person responsible for feeding a child, and ensuring it's possible to feed a child is the parent.
Agreed. Unfortunately, it does not always work out like this.
Should a 6 month old baby starve to death because his/her parents cannot feed them? The 6 month old is totally helpless in this situation. Cant let the baby/kid die because it just so happens to be born to parents who cant feed him/her.
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The food stamp program has exploded under Obama. So has people getting a check for life through social security disability. Unemployment checks for years under him? Suddenly they find the majority find some kind of job once their unemployment runs out. Free money for farmers is a massive welfare waste. Many "farmers" it's their profit money. In other words they make no money from farming.
If you haven't heard the US funds is running a massive negative cash flow every year. The only way we survive is through loans from countries like China. Bury your head in the sand and kick the can down the road thinking who cares? When it all comes crashing down like Greece or Spain you will see poverty on a scale like you have never seen. When the Republicans try to reign in spending the Democrats say, see what scum bags they are. Don't worry Democrats. There will be basically a one party system soon where the only choice will which Democrat you want instead of Republicans vs Democrats. That's when this country will fail because there isn't enough workers paying taxes to make this country work for the takers.
You sound like you are genuinely concerned about the fiscal health of the USA. I'm curious, though: How much does the USA spend on financial help for the alleged poor compared to how much it spends on defense? If you are genuinely concerned about our nation's financial well-being, it seems to me that this is a question that needs to be considered. Just as some have made comments that there is no need to give food stamps to folks wearing designer clothes and driving luxury cars, so these same folks should be even more concerned about needless defense spending, don't you think?
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Says the homo from the party with the least amount of commonsense.
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"Commonsense"? That noun is now one word? "Look at my thumb, gee you're..."
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There is no way in America 1 in 7 need food stamps.
Really? Why?
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Here is an interesting question. Do you guys think that if it was a requirement to do 5 hours a month of volunteer work to get food stamps, would a lot of people do that or just not get the food stamps? I feel if they truly needed them they would.
Question as posed is dumb; Most people (and even animals) will do anything if they would starve otherwise.
Look at immigrants (legal and otherwise) who pick fruit. Who the fuck would do that unless they weren't truly desperate to feed themselves or their families? Whether they should have to do volunteer work at all is a trickier question than the simple-minded folks here realize. For one thing, what kind of work? There's only so much picking up garbage on the freeway, is what I'm thinking. You'd have to make sure that the work being done by those receiving food stamps isn't work that's currently being done by someone who's getting paid for it. Also, to be fair, you'd have to make sure that the benefits of the work done are shared equally by everyone or else there will be some company somewhere that will feel screwed by the fact that it doesn't also get to benefit from free labor. I'm not saying these kinds of questions/concerns are impossible to resolve, but I am saying that it's a more difficult question than your average teabagger can handle.
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nobody entitled to anythging in this world, its sad but true.
In the world as whole, you're right. But in the USA, we are entitled to a lot. By law. You usually seem pretty smart so you do understand this, right?
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Why not cut food stamps and farm subsidies? ???
» Although politicians love to discuss the plight of small farmers, the vast majority of farm subsidies go to the largest farms. In recent years, the biggest 10 percent of farm businesses have received 72 percent of farm subsidies, according to the Environmental Working Group.
If spending cuts are to be made, then defense should not be spared either.
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NO one should be hungry in the USA
Absolutely correct. We are a rich country, we just spend money on the wrong shit.
I'm sure it's not a popular opinion here, but I think the government should provide food, shelter, education, healthcare, AND childcare to all of its citizens. Food, shelter, and healthcare should be free but at a decidely un-extravagant level. Education (up to the highest levels) and childcare should be heavily subsidized on a sliding scale depending on one's financial needs. The childcare part is key, btw. I'd also have the government childcare serve doulble-duty as the kids' social services dept -- If they see evidence of abuse happening at home, the parents will stand a good chance to have the kids taken away.
I'm sure that many here will say that such a system will just breed a perpetually dependent class and for some, they'll be right. Most receiving government assistance, though, are just as materialistic as the rest of us and will want more than the government can give. In my system, btw, fraudulent abuses of the system would be penalized heavily. Much more so than now, actually.
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Looking at the numbers, in fiscal year 2011, 36.6% of people on foodstamps are white, 22.8% are black (non-hispanic), 9.6% hispanic, 2.4% Asian.
http://www.fns.usda.gov/ora/MENU/Published/snap/FILES/Participation/2011Characteristics.pdf
Page 59, Table A21.
I always hear all this complaining about this race and that race on food stamps. Here are your numbers. Whites will try to spin this and say because they are over 50% of the population more of them are bound to be on food stamps...bullshit. We're not looking at that, just raw numbers and whites have the most.
Oh, wait. Most are white? Ah, carry on then, Mr. President.
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the "white" percentage is high because most of the wetbacks list themselves as white
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Hey Getbiggers,
Sorry for trying to rebut every non-troll who seems not to agree with my views about this subject.
Question, though: How many of you reading comprehension challenged mo-fo's read the OP's post and thought that a bill was passed that cut food stamp spending? Cuz that's not what it says and that's not what happened. I'm hardly the most politically astute chap here, but here's the "TL:DR":
On Weds,repubs were trying to pass a bill that (among other things) cuts food stamps. Vote wasn't for the bill, it was for amendments proposed by dems to eliminate the food stamp cutting part (and amendment was rejected by vote). Not stated in the OP's post, on Thursday the vote for the bill itself (which retained the foodstamp cutting provisions) FAILED. Get it, now?
Real TL;DR: Food stamp program has NOT been cut. Now cry me a river, ya non-reading heartless conservatards.
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Get it, now?
I get why I don't politics. Maybe if they took a one thing at a time approach instead of all wrapped up in eggroll, and if I could actually vote on it instead of just installing clown 1 or clown 2 to wear a nice suit for a few years while not giving a shit about me.
So no. Not really. I don't get it at all.
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Like I said before....people need to quit depending on the government and just grow your own food like a real man....takes just a little dirt, some seeds and some fucking water. Ain't no shame in my game......I got hundreds of dollars in food growing in my yard and its free for me to eat.
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I get why I don't politics. Maybe if they took a one thing at a time approach instead of all wrapped up in eggroll, and if I could actually vote on it instead of just installing clown 1 or clown 2 to wear a nice suit for a few years while not giving a shit about me.
Word.
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Vince, I have too much land and it's going fallow. You can grow on it if you want and we can share the profits from the crop. We could call it sharecropping.
Yes, I'm making a political point here.
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Like I said before....people need to quit depending on the government and just grow your own food like a real man....takes just a little dirt, some seeds and some fucking water. Ain't no shame in my game......I got hundreds of dollars in food growing in my yard and its free for me to eat.
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but veg sucks. Who the fuck wants to live off vegtables?
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Like I said before....people need to quit depending on the government and just grow your own food like a real man....takes just a little dirt, some seeds and some fucking water. Ain't no shame in my game......I got hundreds of dollars in food growing in my yard and its free for me to eat.
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Is there any coincidence that the shapes of these foods make them easily insertable into an anus?
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but veg sucks. Who the fuck wants to live off vegtables?
I eat meat as well.....however vegetables are so expensive in grocery stores...especially fresh organic ones and a lot of times, you're at risk of some serious illnesses from them coming from other countries and picked by unwashed individuals.
If all you had to buy was meat, then your grocery bill would be quite small.
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I eat meat as well.....however vegetables are so expensive in grocery stores...especially fresh organic ones and a lot of times, you're at risk of some serious illnesses from them coming from other countries and picked by unwashed individuals.
If all you had to buy was meat, then your grocery bill would be quite small.
Yeah but you toss other salads no?
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Something simple like this would weed out the abusers real quick.
Sounds "Good" almost like the program were you put in hours to the construction of your new home
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I eat meat as well.....however vegetables are so expensive in grocery stores...especially fresh organic ones and a lot of times, you're at risk of some serious illnesses from them coming from other countries and picked by unwashed individuals.
If all you had to buy was meat, then your grocery bill would be quite small.
i see. Over here its the opposit veg is cheap while chicken and beef is more expensive.
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Yeah but you toss other salads no?
haha!!
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I don't think 300-400 a month is breaking any tax payer or making any welfare recipient rich. But I'm sure it feels pretty good to stomp the destitute.
I know those dopes at the Cato cesspool always lie about welfare and social security b/c they are subhuman. yeah Mike Tanner-I'm looking at you- and easily refuted. You don't believe the Cato crowd, do you?
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everyone is lying except for you of course
"Everyone"? Everyone where? Here on this sub-forum, you mean? bwahaha
The consensus on this board means little except that the BB crowd is largely as insecure (and therefore susceptible to the right's scare tactics) as many of BB's detractors say.
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I was referring to the Cato studies, handsome.
Whatever gets you through the night.
Hmmm. You DO know I'm handsome.
Maybe you do have a clue, then.
Never mind. ;D