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Okay, so I know this isn't exactly the place for this discussion, but after reading posts where Wiggs claims the first Hebrews were black( not disagreeing) , quad calling all the modern day Jews converts, and then the posts saying that Jews through out time have been either wiped out or chased from their homelands, my question is, is there something inherently wrong with the doctoring that makes people hate them? From the conversations, there have been two ethnic groups, but both have shared persecution, so what gives? Jewish bros please answer your opinion.
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Well the ashkenazi theory was proven recently by genetic testing. So majority of white Jews today are indeed of east european origin and are not Semites at all. Those living in israel claiming all their fantasy of 'their land' in fact are nothing but Europeans.
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Well the ashkenazi theory was proven recently by genetic testing. So majority of white Jews today are indeed of east european origin and are not Semites at all. Those living in israel claiming all their fantasy of 'their land' in fact are nothing but Europeans.
Silly Arab Ahmed, Jews took land 1947 & the only think what your primitive tribes do is bla-bla-bla-bla..............................!
Shit, no help from "mighty" Allah ;D
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Well the ashkenazi theory was proven recently by genetic testing. So majority of white Jews today are indeed of east european origin and are not Semites at all. Those living in israel claiming all their fantasy of 'their land' in fact are nothing but Europeans.
i bet your two favorite books are the quran and the protocols of the elders of zion
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Silly Arab Ahmed, Jews took land 1947 & the only think what your primitive tribes do is bla-bla-bla-bla..............................!
Shit, no help from "mighty" Allah ;D
actually their tribes didnt do shit even gaddafi admitted this
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This should be moved to the religious thread. Potential racist post reported.
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Wow you nazis just pop out of no where just like filthy shit flies that attract and mate together.
Why so mad that it's mentioned that today's Jews are not really semites but ashkenazis? I posted that genetic review a while ago. It settles the debate once and for all. Quite on topic about modern jews.
Original Jews stem from Jacob/Israel not Abraham. Abraham was not a Jew for example. Stay on topic people.
And what the hell does that looney Gadaffi have to do with Jews lmao. Retards gonna retard.
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Wow you nazis just pop out of no where just like filthy shit flies that attract and mate together.
Why so mad that it's mentioned that today's Jews are not really semites but ashkenazis? I posted that genetic review a while ago. It settles the debate once and for all. Quite on topic about modern jews.
Original Jews stem from Jacob/Israel not Abraham. Abraham was not a Jew for example. Stay on topic people.
And what the hell does that looney Gadaffi have to do with Jews lmao. Retards gonna retard.
lol youre going to use desert folklore to base your claims
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mhmmm dna is so folklore:
Gene study settles debate over origin of European Jews
by AFP
Source: Google News
(http://muslimvillage.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Gene-study-settles-debate-over-origin-of-European-Jews-600x344.jpg)
By: AFP
Source: Google News
PARIS — Jews of European origin are a mix of ancestries, with many hailing from tribes in the Caucasus who converted to Judaism and created an empire that lasted half a millennium, according to a gene study.
The investigation, its author says, should settle a debate that has been roiling for more than two centuries.
Jews of European descent, often called Ashkenazis, account for some 90 percent of the more than 13 million Jews in the world today.
According to the so-called Rhineland Hypothesis, Ashkenazis descended from Jews who progressively fled Palestine after the Muslim conquest of 638 AD.
They settled in southern Europe and then, in the late Middle Ages, about 50,000 of them moved from the Rhineland in Germany into eastern Europe, according to the hypothesis.
But detractors say this idea is implausible.
Barring a miracle –which some supporters of the Rhineland Hypothesis have in fact suggested — the scenario would have been demographically impossible.
It would mean that the population of Eastern European Jews leapt from 50,000 in the 15th century to around eight million at the start of the 20th century.
That birth rate would have been 10 times greater than that of the local non-Jewish population. And it would have occurred despite economic hardship, disease, wars and pogroms that ravaged Jewish communities.
Seeking new light in the argument, a study published in the British journal Genome Biology and Evolution, compares the genomes of 1,287 unrelated individuals who hail from eight Jewish and 74 non-Jewish populations.
Geneticist Eran Elhaik of the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland, trawled through this small mountain of data in search of single changes in the DNA code that are linked to a group’s geographical origins.
Such telltales have been used in past research to delve into the origins of the Basque people and the pygmy people of central Africa.
Among European Jews, Elhaik found ancestral signatures that pointed clearly to the Caucasus and also, but to a smaller degree, the Middle East.
The results, said Elhaik, give sound backing for the rival theory — the “Khazarian Hypothesis.”
Under this concept, eastern European Jews descended from the Khazars, a hotchpotch of Turkic clans that settled the Caucasus in the early centuries AD and, influenced by Jews from Palestine, converted to Judaism in the 8th century.
The Judeo-Khazars built a flourishing empire, drawing in Jews from Mesopotamia and imperial Byzantium.
They became so successful that they sent offshoots into Hungary and Romania, planting the seeds of a great diaspora.
But Khazaria collapsed in the 13th century when it was attacked by the Mongols and became weakened by outbreaks of the Black Death.
The Judeo-Khazars fled westwards, settling in the rising Polish Kingdom and in Hungary, where their skills in finance, economics and politics were in demand, and eventually spread to central and western Europe, according to the “Khazarian Hypothesis.”
“We conclude that the genome of European Jews is a tapestry of ancient populations including Judaised Khazars, Greco-Roman Jews, Mesopotamian Jews and Judeans,” says Elhaik.
“Their population structure was formed in the Caucasus and the banks of the Volga, with roots stretching to Canaan and the banks of the Jordan.”
Many things are unknown about the Khazars, whose tribal confederation gathered Slavs, Scythians, Hunnic-Bulgars, Iranians, Alans and Turks.
But, argues Elhaik, the tale sketched in the genes is backed by archaeological findings, by Jewish literature that describes the Khazars’ conversion to Judaism, and by language, too.
“Yiddish, the language of Central and Eastern European Jews, began as a Slavic language” before being reclassified as High German, he notes.
Another pointer is that European Jews and their ancestral groups in the Caucasus and Middle East share a relatively high risk of diseases such as cystic fibrosis.
The investigation should help fine-tune a fast-expanding branch of genomics, which looks at single-change DNA mutations that are linked with inherited disease, adds Elhaik.
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Okay, so I know this isn't exactly the place for this discussion, but after reading posts where Wiggs claims the first Hebrews were black( not disagreeing) , quad calling all the modern day Jews converts, and then the posts saying that Jews through out time have been either wiped out or chased from their homelands, my question is, is there something inherently wrong with the doctoring that makes people hate them? From the conversations, there have been two ethnic groups, but both have shared persecution, so what gives? Jewish bros please answer your opinion.
Iron, you will never duplicate the greatness of the catfight thread. It is a futile effort.
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Here's Yiddish being spoken and guess what they are debating:
And this thread has nothing to do with religion but rather race and history.
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mhmmm dna is so folklore:
Gene study settles debate over origin of European Jews
by AFP
Source: Google News
(http://muslimvillage.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Gene-study-settles-debate-over-origin-of-European-Jews-600x344.jpg)
By: AFP
Source: Google News
PARIS — Jews of European origin are a mix of ancestries, with many hailing from tribes in the Caucasus who converted to Judaism and created an empire that lasted half a millennium, according to a gene study.
The investigation, its author says, should settle a debate that has been roiling for more than two centuries.
Jews of European descent, often called Ashkenazis, account for some 90 percent of the more than 13 million Jews in the world today.
According to the so-called Rhineland Hypothesis, Ashkenazis descended from Jews who progressively fled Palestine after the Muslim conquest of 638 AD.
They settled in southern Europe and then, in the late Middle Ages, about 50,000 of them moved from the Rhineland in Germany into eastern Europe, according to the hypothesis.
But detractors say this idea is implausible.
Barring a miracle –which some supporters of the Rhineland Hypothesis have in fact suggested — the scenario would have been demographically impossible.
It would mean that the population of Eastern European Jews leapt from 50,000 in the 15th century to around eight million at the start of the 20th century.
That birth rate would have been 10 times greater than that of the local non-Jewish population. And it would have occurred despite economic hardship, disease, wars and pogroms that ravaged Jewish communities.
Seeking new light in the argument, a study published in the British journal Genome Biology and Evolution, compares the genomes of 1,287 unrelated individuals who hail from eight Jewish and 74 non-Jewish populations.
Geneticist Eran Elhaik of the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland, trawled through this small mountain of data in search of single changes in the DNA code that are linked to a group’s geographical origins.
Such telltales have been used in past research to delve into the origins of the Basque people and the pygmy people of central Africa.
Among European Jews, Elhaik found ancestral signatures that pointed clearly to the Caucasus and also, but to a smaller degree, the Middle East.
The results, said Elhaik, give sound backing for the rival theory — the “Khazarian Hypothesis.”
Under this concept, eastern European Jews descended from the Khazars, a hotchpotch of Turkic clans that settled the Caucasus in the early centuries AD and, influenced by Jews from Palestine, converted to Judaism in the 8th century.
The Judeo-Khazars built a flourishing empire, drawing in Jews from Mesopotamia and imperial Byzantium.
They became so successful that they sent offshoots into Hungary and Romania, planting the seeds of a great diaspora.
But Khazaria collapsed in the 13th century when it was attacked by the Mongols and became weakened by outbreaks of the Black Death.
The Judeo-Khazars fled westwards, settling in the rising Polish Kingdom and in Hungary, where their skills in finance, economics and politics were in demand, and eventually spread to central and western Europe, according to the “Khazarian Hypothesis.”
“We conclude that the genome of European Jews is a tapestry of ancient populations including Judaised Khazars, Greco-Roman Jews, Mesopotamian Jews and Judeans,” says Elhaik.
“Their population structure was formed in the Caucasus and the banks of the Volga, with roots stretching to Canaan and the banks of the Jordan.”
Many things are unknown about the Khazars, whose tribal confederation gathered Slavs, Scythians, Hunnic-Bulgars, Iranians, Alans and Turks.
But, argues Elhaik, the tale sketched in the genes is backed by archaeological findings, by Jewish literature that describes the Khazars’ conversion to Judaism, and by language, too.
“Yiddish, the language of Central and Eastern European Jews, began as a Slavic language” before being reclassified as High German, he notes.
Another pointer is that European Jews and their ancestral groups in the Caucasus and Middle East share a relatively high risk of diseases such as cystic fibrosis.
The investigation should help fine-tune a fast-expanding branch of genomics, which looks at single-change DNA mutations that are linked with inherited disease, adds Elhaik.
doesnt the study use armenians and georgians as a proxy for the khazars
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The "and" in the thread title was supposed to be Quadzilla
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also the ashkenazi german community is older than khazaria
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moderator of peace ::)
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Wow you nazis just pop out of no where just like filthy shit flies that attract and mate together.
Why so mad that it's mentioned that today's Jews are not really semites but ashkenazis? I posted that genetic review a while ago. It settles the debate once and for all. Quite on topic about modern jews.
Original Jews stem from Jacob/Israel not Abraham. Abraham was not a Jew for example. Stay on topic people.
And what the hell does that looney Gadaffi have to do with Jews lmao. Retards gonna retard.
Loony Gadaffi ,WOW Ahmed ? until yesterday everyone of yours muslims was glorifying him & kissing his arse ;D ;D ;D
Who cares about Jews genetic origin , fact is they a fucking yours Allahists for the last 70 years ;D ;D ;D
How is WC-Reiniger job at German train station , o fuck how many turks like you must clean after Jews :P :P :P
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Wow you nazis just pop out of no where just like filthy shit flies that attract and mate together.
Why so mad that it's mentioned that today's Jews are not really semites but ashkenazis? I posted that genetic review a while ago. It settles the debate once and for all. Quite on topic about modern jews.
Original Jews stem from Jacob/Israel not Abraham. Abraham was not a Jew for example. Stay on topic people.
And what the hell does that looney Gadaffi have to do with Jews lmao. Retards gonna retard.
Jacob/Isael is Abraham's Grandson.
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Jacob/Isael is Abraham's Grandson.
No shit sherlock, except he's not a Jew. Alot of people mistakingly think Jews start from Abraham. Abraham is the ancestral father of Jews and Arabs although Israel/Jacob is the father of Jews. All mighty people of God as believed in Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
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talmud is the jewish holy book.
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No shit sherlock, except he's not a Jew. Alot of people mistakingly think Jews start from Abraham. Abraham is the ancestral father of Jews and Arabs although Israel/Jacob is the father of Jews. All mighty people of God as believed in Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
did they even have 'the law' before moses? i mean they were earting pork and whatnot before all that was dictated to them.
anyway, the talmud indicates they are better than others because god says so, they are better than us just because essentially. much like any other doctrine based on bigotry.
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No shit sherlock, except he's not a Jew. Alot of people mistakingly think Jews start from Abraham. Abraham is the ancestral father of Jews and Arabs although Israel/Jacob is the father of Jews. All mighty people of God as believed in Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
So Allah & his secretary Mohamed could be Jews too ;D ;D ;D
Ahmed, do you like Christian Arabs ;D ;D ;D
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talmud is the jewish holy book.
So you a admitting Jewish superiority over palestinians :D :D :D
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is the old testament or the talmud what they believe?
or are these 2 similiar anyway?
Depends on the group. The Old Testament is what Christians call the Jewish Bible/Tanakh, which is basically Jewish Scripture. The Talmud is basically Rabbinical law and teachings. Certain groups put the Talmud above the Old Testament and other don't even study the Talmud.
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This thread has been derailed by hatred. Looking for religious and ethnic Jews take on this question.
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I am not sure I want to reply to a post that seems to have a racist bent. However, I want to point out two things:
1. It's ridiculous to ask the question is there something inherently "bad" about Judaism if you are either a Christian (which I am) or a Muslim. Our religions are based on Judaism. If it weren't for Judaism, we would not have our religions as they are.
2. You can go on and on about what percentage of European Jews were originally from the Middle East or Europe (later non-semitic converts). It's a mix I am sure. However, there is no doubt that Jews were driven out of the Middle East in huge numbers during the period of the Roman Empire. This is anecdotal, but when I observe my Jewish friends and acquaintances (Ashekenazi), they seem to have middle eastern characteristics (i.e., they kind of look and even act like Arabs to me a bit more than they do Poles or Germans, for example).
But my next point is that there were HUGE numbers of Jews in the Middle East recently until they either decided to leave or were driven out. These Jews were Middle Eastern, not European at all. For example, I have heard that Bahgdad was more than a third Jewish around the time of WWII. Alexandria had lots of Jews in earlier centuries, and up to recently. Look at all the Iranian Jews now in Los Angeles. They represented an important slice of Teheran until the Revolution there. What I am saying is that you can build a case that Jews belong in Palestine just on the basis of Sephardic Jews alone (Arabs also belong there of course, I am not a blind defender of Israel in this arena and I believe in Palestinian statehood).
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Why can't Muslim's and Jews just live together? Why all the racism?
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Why can't Muslim's and Jews just live together? Why all the racism?
They did live together until zionists came about. Hardcore Orthodox Jews hate Israel and zionists just as much and are friends with Muslims. Not all Jews are pro-israel and anti-muslim.
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They did live together until zionists came about. Hardcore Orthodox Jews hate Israel and zionists just as much and are friends with Muslims. Not all Jews are pro-israel and anti-muslim.
What is the point of Zionism? You say they are atheists, so why use religion as a cover?
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This thread, Oy Vey!
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They did live together until zionists came about. Hardcore Orthodox Jews hate Israel and zionists just as much and are friends with Muslims. Not all Jews are pro-israel and anti-muslim.
Yeah right, they a "only" 99.99% anti-muslims ;D ;D ;D
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This thread has been derailed by hatred. Looking for religious and ethnic Jews take on this question.
a Ahmeds hatred is palpable, i seriously hope he's on the goverments watchlist.
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^lol ziobot #282893 how much are you being paid?
What is the point of Zionism? You say they are atheists, so why use religion as a cover?
Zionism is a racist, nationalist secularist movement. They just tried to play on orthodox jew's idea of the coming of the messiah. In reality they hate orthodox jews, and orthodox jews are treated like crap by israel.
That's why you have tons of orthodox jews all across america, russia, etc.. and they dont want to go to israel.
It's a myth the zionist lobbies and the likes of aipac want to create that Jew=zionist and zionist=jew.
Not all jews are zionists and not all support israel, many hate israel (the zionist entity and government) just as Muslims hate zionists and Israel for what they are doing.
The funny thing is israelis hate chrsitians too, not just muslims, palestinians are christian AND muslim.
Israel wants to create a 'pure jewish race only' state in israel and that's what it comes down to, a racist nationalist movement. Orthodox Jews see it as a godless, atheist movement, but the media does not focus on their voice but Israel's voice.
Of course pro-zionist douchebags will try to sideswipe this all over the internet and in real life and call anyone who criticizes israel as an anti-semite.
Yes, Israel actually pays people to troll internet forums. I'm sure there's some of that scum on here too. They literally have a manual guide on how to derail threads, what to say, what not to say, how to respond, etc...
That's how desperate israel is. They spend billions on media and lobbying to 'defend' themselves.
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What a BS, WAR after WAR in Arabs country after country, they called it "Arab Spring" & is very obvious that
probably around 50% of populatian in Algeria,Libya,Oman,Egypt & now in Syria don't support their own countries.
Or those revolutionary anti Ahmedis must be must be really pissed of with Islamic states far
more than with Jews/Israel.
Ahmed visibly support conservative Islamist, time to convert to Christianity Ahmed :D :D :D
Jews don't kill other Jews, but Arabs definitely kill other Arabs and in huge numbers.
Who is next, after Syria probably Turkey ? .
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http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/last-group-of-ethiopian-jews-repatriated-to-israel-a-919229.html (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/last-group-of-ethiopian-jews-repatriated-to-israel-a-919229.html)
Some 450 Jews from Ethiopia landed in Israel on Wednesday, the last arrivals in a program to relocate the community to the Holy Land. The campaign, which lasted for nearly thirty years, has been plagued by controversy.
Natan Sharansky described it as a "moving historical moment." The head of the Jewish Agency for Israel -- the body tasked with overseeing immigration -- on Wednesday accompanied the last group of Ethiopian Jews on their journey to the Holy Land. Some 450 so-called "Falashas" flew to an airport near Tel Aviv in two chartered flights.
ANZEIGE65 years after the establishment of the Israeli nation state, the country has concluded its mass repatriation program for Ethiopian Jews. The arrival of the group means that the religious minority's 3000-year history is finally coming full circle, said Sharansky, according to the German news agency DPA.
Over the last three decades, about 100,000 Jews have been repatriated from the East African country to Israel. The program began with three operations dubbed "Moses" (1984), "Joshua" (1985) and "Solomon" (1991-1992).
After these were completed, the operation came to a prolonged standstill due to a political altercation about whether the Falash Mura -- who were forced to convert to Christianity in the 18th and 19th century, but maintained their Jewish rituals -- should be entitled to Israeli citizenship.
Discrimination Rife
Although some ultra-Orthodox Rabbis still refuse to recognize the group's status as Jews, the Israeli government organized a further repatriation effort -- dubbed "Operation Dove Wing" -- in November 2010. Last October, the first of a total of 93 chartered flights arrived in the country. Before leaving Ethiopia, the Falah Mura had spent several years in transit camps in the nothern city of Gondar being prepared for Israeli life.
Around 500 protestors gathered in front of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's official residence on Wednesday. Their aim was to expand the repatriation program to include a further 5,000 Ethiopians who hadn't been acknowledged as practicing Jews, and therefore hadn't qualified for Operation Dove Wing. The Israeli government has introduced a rule whereby Ethiopians wanting to return to the Holy Land are only able to do so by applying on an individual basis.
The black minority group often faces discrimination in Israel. In 1996, the country's daily Maariv newspaper revealed that Magen David Adom -- the country's bloodbank service -- had been destroying all blood samples provided by Ethiopian Jews. Last year, the Israeli broadcaster Channel 2 revealed that 120 landlords in the southern town of Kiryat Malakhi had agreed not to rent out or sell their houses and apartments to members of the African minority.
Many Ethiopian migrants live in low income areas and illegal settlements. Human rights organizations have accused the Israeli government of forcibly sterilizing members of the minority group. The authorities have denied the allegations.
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My bad. I thought you guys were talking about home brews.