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Okay, so I know this isn't exactly the place for this discussion, but after reading posts where Wiggs claims the first Hebrews were black( not disagreeing) , quad calling all the modern day Jews converts, and then the posts saying that Jews through out time have been either wiped out or chased from their homelands, my question is, is there something inherently wrong with the doctoring that makes people hate them? From the conversations, there have been two ethnic groups, but both have shared persecution, so what gives? Jewish bros please answer your opinion.

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Well the ashkenazi theory was proven recently by genetic testing. So majority of white Jews today are indeed of east european origin and are not Semites at all. Those living in israel claiming all their fantasy of 'their land' in fact are nothing but Europeans.

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Well the ashkenazi theory was proven recently by genetic testing. So majority of white Jews today are indeed of east european origin and are not Semites at all. Those living in israel claiming all their fantasy of 'their land' in fact are nothing but Europeans.

Silly Arab Ahmed, Jews took land 1947 & the only think what your primitive tribes do is bla-bla-bla-bla..............................!
Shit, no help from "mighty" Allah  ;D

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Well the ashkenazi theory was proven recently by genetic testing. So majority of white Jews today are indeed of east european origin and are not Semites at all. Those living in israel claiming all their fantasy of 'their land' in fact are nothing but Europeans.
i bet your two favorite books are the quran and the protocols of the elders of zion

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Silly Arab Ahmed, Jews took land 1947 & the only think what your primitive tribes do is bla-bla-bla-bla..............................!
Shit, no help from "mighty" Allah  ;D

actually their tribes didnt do shit even gaddafi admitted this




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This should be moved to the religious thread. Potential racist post reported.

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Wow you nazis just pop out of no where just like filthy shit flies that attract and mate together.

Why so mad that it's mentioned that today's Jews are not really semites but ashkenazis? I posted that genetic review a while ago. It settles the debate once and for all. Quite on topic about modern jews.

Original Jews stem from Jacob/Israel not Abraham. Abraham was not a Jew for example. Stay on topic people.

And what the hell does that looney Gadaffi have to do with Jews lmao. Retards gonna retard.

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Wow you nazis just pop out of no where just like filthy shit flies that attract and mate together.

Why so mad that it's mentioned that today's Jews are not really semites but ashkenazis? I posted that genetic review a while ago. It settles the debate once and for all. Quite on topic about modern jews.

Original Jews stem from Jacob/Israel not Abraham. Abraham was not a Jew for example. Stay on topic people.

And what the hell does that looney Gadaffi have to do with Jews lmao. Retards gonna retard.
lol youre going to use desert folklore to base your claims

a_ahmed

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mhmmm dna is so folklore:

Gene study settles debate over origin of European Jews
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By: AFP

Source: Google News

PARIS — Jews of European origin are a mix of ancestries, with many hailing from tribes in the Caucasus who converted to Judaism and created an empire that lasted half a millennium, according to a gene study.

The investigation, its author says, should settle a debate that has been roiling for more than two centuries.

Jews of European descent, often called Ashkenazis, account for some 90 percent of the more than 13 million Jews in the world today.

According to the so-called Rhineland Hypothesis, Ashkenazis descended from Jews who progressively fled Palestine after the Muslim conquest of 638 AD.

They settled in southern Europe and then, in the late Middle Ages, about 50,000 of them moved from the Rhineland in Germany into eastern Europe, according to the hypothesis.

But detractors say this idea is implausible.

Barring a miracle –which some supporters of the Rhineland Hypothesis have in fact suggested — the scenario would have been demographically impossible.

It would mean that the population of Eastern European Jews leapt from 50,000 in the 15th century to around eight million at the start of the 20th century.

That birth rate would have been 10 times greater than that of the local non-Jewish population. And it would have occurred despite economic hardship, disease, wars and pogroms that ravaged Jewish communities.

Seeking new light in the argument, a study published in the British journal Genome Biology and Evolution, compares the genomes of 1,287 unrelated individuals who hail from eight Jewish and 74 non-Jewish populations.

Geneticist Eran Elhaik of the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland, trawled through this small mountain of data in search of single changes in the DNA code that are linked to a group’s geographical origins.

Such telltales have been used in past research to delve into the origins of the Basque people and the pygmy people of central Africa.

Among European Jews, Elhaik found ancestral signatures that pointed clearly to the Caucasus and also, but to a smaller degree, the Middle East.

The results, said Elhaik, give sound backing for the rival theory — the “Khazarian Hypothesis.”

Under this concept, eastern European Jews descended from the Khazars, a hotchpotch of Turkic clans that settled the Caucasus in the early centuries AD and, influenced by Jews from Palestine, converted to Judaism in the 8th century.

The Judeo-Khazars built a flourishing empire, drawing in Jews from Mesopotamia and imperial Byzantium.

They became so successful that they sent offshoots into Hungary and Romania, planting the seeds of a great diaspora.

But Khazaria collapsed in the 13th century when it was attacked by the Mongols and became weakened by outbreaks of the Black Death.

The Judeo-Khazars fled westwards, settling in the rising Polish Kingdom and in Hungary, where their skills in finance, economics and politics were in demand, and eventually spread to central and western Europe, according to the “Khazarian Hypothesis.”

“We conclude that the genome of European Jews is a tapestry of ancient populations including Judaised Khazars, Greco-Roman Jews, Mesopotamian Jews and Judeans,” says Elhaik.

“Their population structure was formed in the Caucasus and the banks of the Volga, with roots stretching to Canaan and the banks of the Jordan.”

Many things are unknown about the Khazars, whose tribal confederation gathered Slavs, Scythians, Hunnic-Bulgars, Iranians, Alans and Turks.

But, argues Elhaik, the tale sketched in the genes is backed by archaeological findings, by Jewish literature that describes the Khazars’ conversion to Judaism, and by language, too.

“Yiddish, the language of Central and Eastern European Jews, began as a Slavic language” before being reclassified as High German, he notes.

Another pointer is that European Jews and their ancestral groups in the Caucasus and Middle East share a relatively high risk of diseases such as cystic fibrosis.

The investigation should help fine-tune a fast-expanding branch of genomics, which looks at single-change DNA mutations that are linked with inherited disease, adds Elhaik.

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Okay, so I know this isn't exactly the place for this discussion, but after reading posts where Wiggs claims the first Hebrews were black( not disagreeing) , quad calling all the modern day Jews converts, and then the posts saying that Jews through out time have been either wiped out or chased from their homelands, my question is, is there something inherently wrong with the doctoring that makes people hate them? From the conversations, there have been two ethnic groups, but both have shared persecution, so what gives? Jewish bros please answer your opinion.
Iron, you will never duplicate the greatness of the catfight thread. It is a futile effort.

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Here's Yiddish being spoken and guess what they are debating:



And this thread has nothing to do with religion but rather race and history.

hardgainerj

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mhmmm dna is so folklore:

Gene study settles debate over origin of European Jews
by AFP
Source: Google News



By: AFP

Source: Google News

PARIS — Jews of European origin are a mix of ancestries, with many hailing from tribes in the Caucasus who converted to Judaism and created an empire that lasted half a millennium, according to a gene study.

The investigation, its author says, should settle a debate that has been roiling for more than two centuries.

Jews of European descent, often called Ashkenazis, account for some 90 percent of the more than 13 million Jews in the world today.

According to the so-called Rhineland Hypothesis, Ashkenazis descended from Jews who progressively fled Palestine after the Muslim conquest of 638 AD.

They settled in southern Europe and then, in the late Middle Ages, about 50,000 of them moved from the Rhineland in Germany into eastern Europe, according to the hypothesis.

But detractors say this idea is implausible.

Barring a miracle –which some supporters of the Rhineland Hypothesis have in fact suggested — the scenario would have been demographically impossible.

It would mean that the population of Eastern European Jews leapt from 50,000 in the 15th century to around eight million at the start of the 20th century.

That birth rate would have been 10 times greater than that of the local non-Jewish population. And it would have occurred despite economic hardship, disease, wars and pogroms that ravaged Jewish communities.

Seeking new light in the argument, a study published in the British journal Genome Biology and Evolution, compares the genomes of 1,287 unrelated individuals who hail from eight Jewish and 74 non-Jewish populations.

Geneticist Eran Elhaik of the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland, trawled through this small mountain of data in search of single changes in the DNA code that are linked to a group’s geographical origins.

Such telltales have been used in past research to delve into the origins of the Basque people and the pygmy people of central Africa.

Among European Jews, Elhaik found ancestral signatures that pointed clearly to the Caucasus and also, but to a smaller degree, the Middle East.

The results, said Elhaik, give sound backing for the rival theory — the “Khazarian Hypothesis.”

Under this concept, eastern European Jews descended from the Khazars, a hotchpotch of Turkic clans that settled the Caucasus in the early centuries AD and, influenced by Jews from Palestine, converted to Judaism in the 8th century.

The Judeo-Khazars built a flourishing empire, drawing in Jews from Mesopotamia and imperial Byzantium.

They became so successful that they sent offshoots into Hungary and Romania, planting the seeds of a great diaspora.

But Khazaria collapsed in the 13th century when it was attacked by the Mongols and became weakened by outbreaks of the Black Death.

The Judeo-Khazars fled westwards, settling in the rising Polish Kingdom and in Hungary, where their skills in finance, economics and politics were in demand, and eventually spread to central and western Europe, according to the “Khazarian Hypothesis.”

“We conclude that the genome of European Jews is a tapestry of ancient populations including Judaised Khazars, Greco-Roman Jews, Mesopotamian Jews and Judeans,” says Elhaik.

“Their population structure was formed in the Caucasus and the banks of the Volga, with roots stretching to Canaan and the banks of the Jordan.”

Many things are unknown about the Khazars, whose tribal confederation gathered Slavs, Scythians, Hunnic-Bulgars, Iranians, Alans and Turks.

But, argues Elhaik, the tale sketched in the genes is backed by archaeological findings, by Jewish literature that describes the Khazars’ conversion to Judaism, and by language, too.

“Yiddish, the language of Central and Eastern European Jews, began as a Slavic language” before being reclassified as High German, he notes.

Another pointer is that European Jews and their ancestral groups in the Caucasus and Middle East share a relatively high risk of diseases such as cystic fibrosis.

The investigation should help fine-tune a fast-expanding branch of genomics, which looks at single-change DNA mutations that are linked with inherited disease, adds Elhaik.
doesnt the study use armenians and georgians as a proxy for the khazars

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The "and" in the thread title was supposed to be Quadzilla

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also the ashkenazi german community is older than khazaria

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Wow you nazis just pop out of no where just like filthy shit flies that attract and mate together.

Why so mad that it's mentioned that today's Jews are not really semites but ashkenazis? I posted that genetic review a while ago. It settles the debate once and for all. Quite on topic about modern jews.

Original Jews stem from Jacob/Israel not Abraham. Abraham was not a Jew for example. Stay on topic people.

And what the hell does that looney Gadaffi have to do with Jews lmao. Retards gonna retard.

Loony Gadaffi ,WOW Ahmed ? until yesterday everyone of yours muslims was glorifying him & kissing his arse  ;D ;D ;D
Who cares about Jews genetic origin , fact is they a fucking yours Allahists for the last 70 years  ;D ;D ;D
How is WC-Reiniger job at German train station , o fuck how many turks like you must clean after Jews  :P :P :P

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Wow you nazis just pop out of no where just like filthy shit flies that attract and mate together.

Why so mad that it's mentioned that today's Jews are not really semites but ashkenazis? I posted that genetic review a while ago. It settles the debate once and for all. Quite on topic about modern jews.

Original Jews stem from Jacob/Israel not Abraham. Abraham was not a Jew for example. Stay on topic people.

And what the hell does that looney Gadaffi have to do with Jews lmao. Retards gonna retard.

Jacob/Isael is Abraham's Grandson.

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Jacob/Isael is Abraham's Grandson.

No shit sherlock, except he's not a Jew. Alot of people mistakingly think Jews start from Abraham. Abraham is the ancestral father of Jews and Arabs although Israel/Jacob is the father of Jews. All mighty people of God as believed in Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

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talmud is the jewish holy book.
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No shit sherlock, except he's not a Jew. Alot of people mistakingly think Jews start from Abraham. Abraham is the ancestral father of Jews and Arabs although Israel/Jacob is the father of Jews. All mighty people of God as believed in Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

did they even have 'the law' before moses? i mean they were earting pork and whatnot before all that was dictated to them.

anyway, the talmud indicates they are better than others because god says so, they are better than us just because essentially.  much like any other doctrine based on bigotry.

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No shit sherlock, except he's not a Jew. Alot of people mistakingly think Jews start from Abraham. Abraham is the ancestral father of Jews and Arabs although Israel/Jacob is the father of Jews. All mighty people of God as believed in Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

So Allah & his secretary Mohamed could be Jews too  ;D ;D ;D
Ahmed, do you like Christian Arabs  ;D ;D ;D

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talmud is the jewish holy book.

So you a admitting Jewish superiority over palestinians  :D :D :D

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is the old testament or the talmud what they believe?

or are these 2 similiar anyway?

Depends on the group.  The Old Testament is what Christians call the Jewish Bible/Tanakh, which is basically Jewish Scripture.  The Talmud is basically Rabbinical law and teachings.  Certain groups put the Talmud above the Old Testament and other don't even study the Talmud.

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This thread has been derailed by hatred. Looking for religious and ethnic Jews take on this question.