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I dont know what happened... but if i had to GUESS...
I'd say trayvon got away then slowed down once he got around the corner. Zimmerman went thru behind the bushes (as an angry ninja neighborhood watch commander who had just lose sight of the kid aroundthe corner would do).
They ran right smack dab into each other. Trayvon on phone with GF, having just run two blocks.
ZImmerman - who had the balls to push a fcking cop a few years back - and maybe a few beers in on a sunday afternoon and history of alcohol counseling - probably charged at the kid using some profane language with his hand onthe butt of pistol, front waist band. Pissed off cowboy, knowing the cops were 60 seconds away, wanting to interrogate trayvon before they arrived so he could be 'THE MAN" and so trayvon would admit where zimm's stolen bike was. it was a nice bike!
Trayvon is scared and mad and embarassed and tired and they go right into a scuffle. Trayvon clocks him in the nose and they grapple. zimmerman, who had attended a MMA/karate gym for 1.5 years, and is 30+ pounds heavier, does get on top of the 6 foot something, 155 pound twink. Yes, he got on top. He drew his gun and pressed it against trayvon, probably hopeing trayvon would just stop moving and submit, as he had lost control of situation and even though he hated this punk, he sure as shit didn't want to shoot him. Trayvon (i think it was him screaming, as does the expert, but I know defense disagrees) - trayvon starts to get up and zimm just shoots him accidentally.
ANd trayvon was dead. zimm wasn't trying to help him - he got off and was pacing with gun mumling - he was not tested for alcohol, but i think any 27 year old with a history of state-ordered alcohol counseling, who once shoved a cop while drunk, with domestic abuse charges.... well, if he's wrasslin in the night with some punk kid he jsut chased down, it's probably not sober. Again, completely my own GUESS of how it went down. They never checked, but i bet his trip to Target that night (ironically) involved the purchase of a 12 pack.
THis isn't a thread on "you're a liar, you can't prove XYZ"... answers may come to light as the trial progresses. But what is you personal belief or what probably happened that night, IN YOUR BEST GUESS?
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Man, thats quite the interesting story you've got there.
Im going with 90% of whats stated that happened.... Martin confronted Zimmerman, they exchanged words, they got into a fight, Martin wound up in the mount and was trying to get grab his head and slam it into the pavement, and in fear and desperation Zimmerman grabbed at his pistol shot him.
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both were idiots,
after hanging up zimmerman was walking back to his truck and came in contact with trayvon probably by accident on both ends. Trayvon asks why he is following him neither one backs down and a fight happens.
the younger more athletic guys gets the upperhand sees the gun and goes for it, zimmerman struggles and gets a shot off killing trayvon.
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This is a case where I would give a huge deference to the jury's decision. Very hard to discern all the facts without being a jury member and listening to the whole thing.
It's also concerning that so many people would lock this dude up without any real facts detailing what went down.
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Man, thats quite the interesting story you've got there.
Im going with 90% of whats stated that happened.... Martin confronted Zimmerman, they exchanged words, they got into a fight, Martin wound up in the mount and was trying to get grab his head and slam it into the pavement, and in fear and desperation Zimmerman grabbed at his pistol shot him.
See, I dont even konw about this... i thought that was the case initially... but zimmerman had 10 years and 30 pounds on him, shorter and thicker -
AND HE SPENT a year and a half in a SELF DEFENSE SCHOOL. I mean, he was formally trained for 18 months in MMA and karate. he wasn't the best student in the class, but anyone who's trained knows that in 18 months, you certainly can handle yourself against a twink 30 pounds lighter. 18 months of training in self defense.
Once i heard that, I started to believe he was on top - maybe it was him even yelling for help, just to help control this squirmy tall twink on the bottom. He drew his gun but didn't know what to do, and when trayvon started to wiggle out, he just shot. Probably didn't know why. Maybe didn't even know the keltec went off *although it was the model with the extended trigger that is VERY hard to squeeze - I owned a keltec and they're a bitch to fire).
SO yeah - if you realize the 27 year olf who washed out of police training had 18 months of MMA mat training - do you still think he was the BOTTOM to a skinny pothead? I dont, anymore.
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LMFAO 18 months dude you know absolutely shit about physical confrontations...
18 months doesnt mean shit, ive known ppl who have trained their entire life at all different types of self defense/fighting and are still completely useless in a fight.
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See, I dont even konw about this... i thought that was the case initially... but zimmerman had 10 years and 30 pounds on him, shorter and thicker -
AND HE SPENT a year and a half in a SELF DEFENSE SCHOOL. I mean, he was formally trained for 18 months in MMA and karate. he wasn't the best student in the class, but anyone who's trained knows that in 18 months, you certainly can handle yourself against a twink 30 pounds lighter. 18 months of training in self defense.
Once i heard that, I started to believe he was on top - maybe it was him even yelling for help, just to help control this squirmy tall twink on the bottom. He drew his gun but didn't know what to do, and when trayvon started to wiggle out, he just shot. Probably didn't know why. Maybe didn't even know the keltec went off *although it was the model with the extended trigger that is VERY hard to squeeze - I owned a keltec and they're a bitch to fire).
SO yeah - if you realize the 27 year olf who washed out of police training had 18 months of MMA mat training - do you still think he was the BOTTOM to a skinny pothead? I dont, anymore.
Guess what, I used to train MMA after I got out of the Marine Corps. (MCMAP in the Corps, pancrase/kickboxing in civilian life). Just because he "trained MMA" doesn't mean he can fight, especially if he did the "MMA workout" at some mall McDojo.
Training =/= fighting, and street fighting =/= MMA.
And if Martin liked to fight regularly (which, by all accounts, he did), then it's not nearly as lopsided as you make is sound. Not only that, but having the jump makes a HUGE advantage.
You're talking out of your ass a lot making all the assumptions about fighting, it's safe to say you know nothing. I barely know shit, and I know enough to know that you have no clue what you speak of.
Not only that, but dudes head was bashed open, broken nose, and matching blood stains on the sidewalk. I know you like to think that he did all those things afterwards, but you also don't operate in reality.
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it's so weird that trayvon was able to punch zimmerman in nose - and then get on top of him, cover his mouth/nose while making threats and taking breath - yet no blood got on him.
Hey, i'm giving zimmerman the benefit of the doubt here - I think Zimm was on top, just screaming for help because he wanted cops and neighbors to come out and see this bad kid attacked him, holding him down.
It makes a LOT more sense and fits with the physical evidence too - zimm DID NOT want to kill him. He wanted to subdue him, and with 18 months of MMA training, he should have been able to take down an untrained teenage twink. It would explain the lack of blood on trayvon, it woudl explain the contact shot, it woudl explain the yelling - he didn't wanna do it, but trayvon was wiggling out.
HEY - anyway, this thread is about what YOU think. Share your alternative theory :)
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Oh, and FYI, I have gotten my ass HANDED to me by guys that weighed 160lbs who fought regularly, and I weighed fucking 220.
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Oh, and FYI, I have gotten my ass HANDED to me by guys that weighed 160lbs who fought regularly, and I weighed fucking 220.
yup 240 believes the way he does b/c he has no experience in physical confrontations.
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it's so weird that trayvon was able to punch zimmerman in nose - and then get on top of him, cover his mouth/nose while making threats and taking breath - yet no blood got on him.
Hey, i'm giving zimmerman the benefit of the doubt here -
No you're not. You're doing the same thing you're always doing, twisting the facts to convict him.
Anyway, it's inconceivable to you that he was smashing his head into the concrete, and then punched him in the face and broke his nose, before his nose started bleeding? Do you ever think before you speak? There are a million ways it could have happened, and martin did show bruising on his knuckles consistent with a fight I believe. You keep believing whatever you want bro, but don't pretend it's based on facts.
wanted to subdue him, and with 18 months of MMA training, he should have been able to take down an untrained teenage twink
Oh brother, again talking out of your ass.
Young, fast, in shape Black kid in his prime that actually fought on the regular, actually boxing and fighting with his peers, compared to a fat Mexican that took a few months of "get in shape while you learn to do armbars" down at the local McDojo.
You'd think the black kid that fights on the regular would rock the fat wannabe mexican.
See? I can do it too. And mine actually makes sense and is based on evidence. (except for the mcdojo part, i have no idea where he trained, but most of those "self defense" classes are a fucking joke)
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Truly I don't really like to guess about these things.
Even if it all happens as 240 says, it's up to the prosecution to PROVE it... That is not an easy thing to do in a case like this.
The end of the trial will be interesting.
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hey - has anyone shared what they believe happened? Or is this just "your'e wrong, but I dont have my own theory" kinda thing?
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hey - has anyone shared what they believe happened? Or is this just "your'e wrong, but I dont have my own theory" kinda thing?
Pretty sure we already shared what we thought happened, and poked a bunch of holes in your ridiculous theory as well. What, this is "Say what you think happened but dont you dare point out the giant holes in mine" type thread?
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Pretty sure we already shared what we thought happened, and poked a bunch of holes in your ridiculous theory as well. What, this is "Say what you think happened but dont you dare point out the giant holes in mine" type thread?
i dont recall you telling us what you think happened. this is the thread for it :)
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Man, thats quite the interesting story you've got there.
Im going with 90% of whats stated that happened.... Martin confronted Zimmerman, they exchanged words, they got into a fight, Martin wound up in the mount and was trying to get grab his head and slam it into the pavement, and in fear and desperation Zimmerman grabbed at his pistol shot him.
here you go dumb ass
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i dont recall you telling us what you think happened. this is the thread for it :)
Wow, are you illiterate? You can read, yes? Or can you only write?
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I dont know what happened... but if i had to GUESS...
I'd say trayvon got away then slowed down once he got around the corner. Zimmerman went thru behind the bushes (as an angry ninja neighborhood watch commander who had just lose sight of the kid aroundthe corner would do).
They ran right smack dab into each other. Trayvon on phone with GF, having just run two blocks.
ZImmerman - who had the balls to push a fcking cop a few years back - and maybe a few beers in on a sunday afternoon and history of alcohol counseling - probably charged at the kid using some profane language with his hand onthe butt of pistol, front waist band. Pissed off cowboy, knowing the cops were 60 seconds away, wanting to interrogate trayvon before they arrived so he could be 'THE MAN" and so trayvon would admit where zimm's stolen bike was. it was a nice bike!
Trayvon is scared and mad and embarassed and tired and they go right into a scuffle. Trayvon clocks him in the nose and they grapple. zimmerman, who had attended a MMA/karate gym for 1.5 years, and is 30+ pounds heavier, does get on top of the 6 foot something, 155 pound twink. Yes, he got on top. He drew his gun and pressed it against trayvon, probably hopeing trayvon would just stop moving and submit, as he had lost control of situation and even though he hated this punk, he sure as shit didn't want to shoot him. Trayvon (i think it was him screaming, as does the expert, but I know defense disagrees) - trayvon starts to get up and zimm just shoots him accidentally.
ANd trayvon was dead. zimm wasn't trying to help him - he got off and was pacing with gun mumling - he was not tested for alcohol, but i think any 27 year old with a history of state-ordered alcohol counseling, who once shoved a cop while drunk, with domestic abuse charges.... well, if he's wrasslin in the night with some punk kid he jsut chased down, it's probably not sober. Again, completely my own GUESS of how it went down. They never checked, but i bet his trip to Target that night (ironically) involved the purchase of a 12 pack.
THis isn't a thread on "you're a liar, you can't prove XYZ"... answers may come to light as the trial progresses. But what is you personal belief or what probably happened that night, IN YOUR BEST GUESS?
Here's a better question: why are you more concerned with this than PRISM? Interesting priorities you have.
Also, nice fairytale you concocted.
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(http://www.drudge.com/resources/trayvon-martin-body-trial-photo.jpg)
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I guess he won't be assaulting anyone else... :-\
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I KNOW if Zimmerman stayed in his truck as he was told to do that its
99.999999% likely that Martin would not have been shot that night by Zimmerman
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I KNOW if Zimmerman stayed in his truck as he was told to do that its
99.999999% likely that Martin would not have been shot that night by Zimmerman
Absolutely, he should have... Even more so due to the fact that he was armed.
What's your point though? That doesn't make him guilty of any crime?
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there is zero evidence trayvon started the fight.
We do know that, right? ZERO.
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there is zero evidence trayvon started the fight.
We do know that, right? ZERO.
There is zero evidence Zimmerman did, you do know that right?
In this country you're innocent until proven guilty, you do know that right?
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There is zero evidence Zimmerman did, you do know that right?
In this country you're innocent until proven guilty, you do know that right?
yes, agreed `1000%.
As long as we can agree that there is zero proof either man threw the first punch, all good.
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yes, agreed `1000%.
As long as we can agree that there is zero proof either man threw the first punch, all good.
You do understand that until Zimmerman is proven wrong that is the implied series of events?
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You do understand that until Zimmerman is proven wrong that is the implied series of events?
He has been proven wrong on a few things already, Tony. Did you know of the (at least) 4 lies he has been caught in already?
I just want to establish you agree he has said a few things which, in the first 2 days of testimony, we have learned not to be true based upon physical evidence.
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Prosecution witnesses back Zimmerman (Jack Cashill)
WND ^ | 6/26/2013 | Jack Cashill
Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2013 8:30:07 AM by RoosterRedux
Defense attorney Mark O’Mara has been consistently strong in cross-examination. O’Mara asked Noffke whether his two questions to Zimmerman about the path Martin was taking might have inspired him to leave his truck and maintain visual contact.
Noffke answered, “I understand how someone could have misinterpreted the intent of that.”
Through O’Mara’s questioning, Noffke also undermined the state’s implication that Zimmerman was enraged and keen on vengeance.
If anything, state witness Wendy Dorival, an African-American who served as volunteer program coordinator for the Sanford police department when Zimmerman’s community was organizing its neighborhood watch, proved even more helpful to Zimmerman’s cause.
On cross-examination by defense attorney Don West, Dorival spoke repeatedly of the many burglaries in the community.
She told specifically of how she had met with a female neighbor of Zimmerman’s who had endured a home invasion and was “still shaken up by it.”
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
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The judge allowed 5 of the calls that he made to the police department MONTHS before the encounter.
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this jayne teacher isn't helping the prosecution at all. her 911 call was painful to listen to. "Why did he have to kill him?" "The poor boy was screaming for help".
the defense is MUCH better with the bald 30+ year defense veteran lawyer doing the talking. That Mark OMara guy seemed to be out of it and lost, in my opinion. THis other lawyer is on his game!
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I KNOW if Zimmerman stayed in his truck as he was told to do that its
99.999999% likely that Martin would not have been shot that night by Zimmerman
Ok, I agree with this.
But the jury may, instead, see it as a question of why Zimmerman shot Martin. Yes he got out of his truck, he followed Zimmerman and all that (if that's the truth of what happened) then they got into an altercation, Martin was on top................AND then what? If the jury finds that after all the events leading up to the altercation, (whatever they may be) Zimmerman found his life in danger, thus he defended himself, Zimmerman could get off.
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Ok, I agree with this.
But the jury may, instead, see it as a question of why Zimmerman shot Martin. Yes he got out of his truck, he followed Zimmerman and all that (if that's the truth of what happened) then they got into an altercation, Martin was on top................AND then what? If the jury finds that after all the events leading up to the altercation, (whatever they may be) Zimmerman found his life in danger, thus he defended himself, Zimmerman could get off.
it sets a dangerous precedent.
I mean, I can load up twin glocks, walk up and down the street in the shittiest part of town, and insult people's dead grandmothers until one of them punches me in the nose.
then I can fall down and shoot them in the head 11 times.
Then I can shrug and smirk and say "Hey, i feared for my life!", shake my ass and go home. Sleep well, then do it again the next night.
I'm not sure one can CREATE a dangerous situation then use deadly force for self defense?
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it sets a dangerous precedent.
I mean, I can load up twin glocks, walk up and down the street in the shittiest part of town, and insult people's dead grandmothers until one of them punches me in the nose.
then I can fall down and shoot them in the head 11 times.
Then I can shrug and smirk and say "Hey, i feared for my life!", shake my ass and go home. Sleep well, then do it again the next night.
I'm not sure one can CREATE a dangerous situation then use deadly force for self defense?
That would be completely irresponsible and dumb....
You cannot assault people though, bottom line. If assaulted you should have the right to defend yourself.
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That would be completely irresponsible and dumb....
You cannot assault people though, bottom line. If assaulted you should have the right to defend yourself.
okay. then what if I SCARE YOU so bad that you put up your fists in self defense?
Like, if I chase you two blocks through the rainy night with a gun in my waistband, then when you run away, I cut through the yards to intercept you. I catch you and come within your personal space (inside 5 feet).
I'm guessing you'd feel DAMN scared, particularly if I had my hand on the butt of my gun. And you might just punch me to try to end what you feel is a pretty big threat at that point. I'll be honest - if a dude chases me TWO BLOCKS and he's 30 pounds bigger and he's coming at me fast with hand on butt of gun - I fear for my life like crazy. And I'd defend myself. Trayvon used a fist (if he did actually swing first, we have zero evidence of this). Trayvon probably could have shot zimmerman dead, and he probably would have beat the rap - I mean - he was scared of fat man with gun. tWO BLOCKS is a LONG way to chase a kid.
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okay. then what if I SCARE YOU so bad that you put up your fists in self defense?
Like, if I chase you two blocks through the rainy night with a gun in my waistband, then when you run away, I cut through the yards to intercept you. I catch you and come within your personal space (inside 5 feet).
I'm guessing you'd feel DAMN scared, particularly if I had my hand on the butt of my gun. And you might just punch me to try to end what you feel is a pretty big threat at that point. I'll be honest - if a dude chases me TWO BLOCKS and he's 30 pounds bigger and he's coming at me fast with hand on butt of gun - I fear for my life like crazy. And I'd defend myself. Trayvon used a fist (if he did actually swing first, we have zero evidence of this). Trayvon probably could have shot zimmerman dead, and he probably would have beat the rap - I mean - he was scared of fat man with gun. tWO BLOCKS is a LONG way to chase a kid.
That wouldn't have happened I wouldn't look suspicious cutting through peoples yards at night to begin with, I would have answered when questioned and walked on. If I did happen to ignore you, I would continue on my path home (down the sidewalk) and I definitely wouldn't attack you. You would do the same thing.
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My opinion is that Zimmerman wanted to be a hero. From reports I've read there had been a series of robberies in the area by black men and I believe the robberies were on Zimmermans mind. Zimmerman saw a black guy and pursued him to see what he was up to.
Martin was walking around not doing much of anything. He probably noticed Zimmerman and at first tried to ignore him. After a short pursuit, Martin turned to confront Zimmerman about why he was pursuing him. At this point Martin was not aware zimmerman had a gun. Words were exchanged and a scuffle broke out. During the scuffle and in the heat of the moment Zimmerman pulled his gun and shot Martin.
Zimmerman not having ever shot anyone panicked and this is why his story has holes. He was trying to bend the story enough to give him maximum justification. He should have just told the truth. I don't believe Zimmerman intended to murder anyone that night.
Questions to be answered. (Add to it)
What was the distance the bullet was fired from?
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That wouldn't have happened I wouldn't look suspicious cutting through peoples yards at night to begin with, I would have answered when questioned and walked on. If I did happen to ignore you, I would continue on my path home (down the sidewalk) and I definitely wouldn't attack you. You would do the same thing.
for real? if I cut through yards just to cut you off - come at you at 90 mph (well, as fast as zimm could sprint)- in the rain, after chasing you two blocks? You're not the least bit "on guard"?
Man, that's how people get seriously hurt, robbed, stabbed, killed, etc - If someone is coming at me that fast and they're not yelling "Police!", I'm very safe to assume they aren't there to ask me about the weather.
Maybe I'm just paranoid - would other getbiggers just calmly answer zimmerman's questions? Or would you be VERY MUCH on guard that the angry person using profanity and chasing you (and cutting thru yards to catch you) might be up to something?
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Zimmerman not having ever shot anyone panicked and this is why his story has holes. He was trying to bend the story enough to give him maximum justification. He should have just told the truth. I don't believe Zimmerman intended to murder anyone that night.
AGREED 100% - - he has been caught in 4 lies now about the shooting based upon physical evidence - so far that we've been shown.
What was the distance the bullet was fired from?
contact shot - burns show the gun was pressed against trayvon's chest when it was fired. burns on skin and clothing. it was touching him.
Annnnnd... the witness just told the jury zimmerman was ON TOP when the shot was fired.
this backs MY belief that the MMA trained zimmerman did manage to hold down trayvon, and just wanted to interrogate him, used the gun to try to scare him, and when trayvon kept squirming or maybe went for it - zimm shot him. I dont know which man was screaming for help. witnesses are saying trayvon (the boy) was screaming while the man was on top of him. Not looking good for zimmerman. IF he was on top, and IF trayvon was yelling, it's over for him.
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for real? if I cut through yards just to cut you off - come at you at 90 mph (well, as fast as zimm could sprint)- in the rain, after chasing you two blocks? You're not the least bit "on guard"?
You're completely right, but you're just dreaming up this scenario.
The police didn't arrest him at the scene because it was so clear cut. The only reason he's being prosecuted at all is because of pressure from the misguided black community.
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AGREED 100% - - he has been caught in 4 lies now about the shooting based upon physical evidence - so far that we've been shown.
contact shot - burns show the gun was pressed against trayvon's chest when it was fired. burns on skin and clothing. it was touching him.
Annnnnd... the witness just told the jury zimmerman was ON TOP when the shot was fired.
this backs MY belief that the MMA trained zimmerman did manage to hold down trayvon, and just wanted to interrogate him, used the gun to try to scare him, and when trayvon kept squirming or maybe went for it - zimm shot him. I dont know which man was screaming for help. witnesses are saying trayvon (the boy) was screaming while the man was on top of him. Not looking good for zimmerman. IF he was on top, and IF trayvon was yelling, it's over for him.
Who are these witnesses? How far away were they? Did any of them bother to call 911? Why would Zimmerman be screaming if he didnt feel in danger? What was he screaming?
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Trayvon was obviously angry that night calling zimmerman a cracker just before assaulting him
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gonna be interesting with jabba back on the stand tomorrow.
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Who are these witnesses? How far away were they? Did any of them bother to call 911? Why would Zimmerman be screaming if he didnt feel in danger? What was he screaming?
Watch the trial from today. One was a teacher named Jayne. Other was an Asian married woman in her 30s. Both were 10 to 20 feet from trayvon's dead body. Both described the screams from a young boy. one saw the bigger adult on top, the skinny kid on bottom. I watched the trial for a few hours today.
Yes, they both called 911. Yes, they both did extensive interviews with police afterwards. I feel like explaining it would be silly... watch headling news for the highlights or read about it. I don't put much cred in the GF from the phone, but the other 2 were well-to-do people who lived there.
And the police didn't arrest trayvon because they waited to see what the evidence showed - autopsy, etc.. And, well, his judge dad and prosecutor, well...
The LEAD DETECTIVE who interviewed Zimmerman that night WANTED TO CHARGE HIM WITH MURDER. The prosecutor had their own reasons for not pursuing it lol...
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gonna be interesting with jabba back on the stand tomorrow.
they'll wreck her. she's angry and ignorant. i believe trayvon said a creepy cracker is following him. BUT she's a mess of a witness and I'd bounce her.
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yes he did, obviously the comment of an angry person.
at lease we finally have proof of racial profiling in this case now though...to bad it was trayvon profiling zimmerdousche
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yes he did, obviously the comment of an angry person.
at lease we finally have proof of racial profiling in this case now though...to bad it was trayvon profiling zimmerdousche
they were both profiling. Zimmerman accused him of being a bike thief.
Only one of them admitted to chasing the other, and said the other was trying to run away.
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they were both profiling. Zimmerman accused him of being a bike thief.
Only one of them admitted to chasing the other, and said the other was trying to run away.
LOL you just dont quit, and I said racial profiling....
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LOL you just dont quit, and I said racial profiling....
Oh I see. Did zimmerman ever mention RACE when it came to the bike thieves or trespassers? I'm pretty sure he used black and african-american many times. Many times.
They were both ignorant pieces of shit that let race, prejudice, and stereotpes and profiling lead them to a very bad path. But only one of them admitted he was chasing the other one down that path...
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Oh I see. Did zimmerman ever mention RACE when it came to the bike thieves or trespassers? I'm pretty sure he used black and african-american many times. Many times.
They were both ignorant pieces of shit that let race, prejudice, and stereotpes and profiling lead them to a very bad path. But only one of them admitted he was chasing the other one down that path...
did he ever use race the night of the incident?
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did he ever use race the night of the incident?
as the 911 tapes show, he profiled trayvon as a bike thief/tresspasser that he had referenced in earlier 911 calls in which he certainly used race.
Defense fought to keep out the tapes as they knew it showed EXACTLY that. The jury learns Zimmerman thought trayvon was a bike thief - this gives him motive.
He used race that night too, describing trayvon with skin color. The same way he did with bike thief, tresspassers, etc.
tony, there's no point in arguing here - it's already on court records. We already know on the night of shooting, HE referenced people HE had described with race in earlier calls. I think there are way cooler things to debate. THis is kinda dumb.
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hahahah, I love getting your mental pygmy ass riled up
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hahahah, I love getting your mental pygmy ass riled up
tony,
do you predict zimmerman will be found not guilty?
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the defense is MUCH better with the bald 30+ year defense veteran lawyer doing the talking. That Mark OMara guy seemed to be out of it and lost, in my opinion. THis other lawyer is on his game!
No. He is doing a good job as well. He caught that one witness for the defense lying about her support for an online petition to prosecute Zimmerman.
The credibility of many of these defense witness have been shot to hell. Even that lady who claims to have heard Trayvon yell for help was shown unreliable as prosecution showed that she couldn't have known whose voice it was since she never heard Trayvon's or Zimm's voice before and they also showed that she originally didn't want to be a witness in court (as she had told the 911 dispatcher) but then she is appearing all over TV doing interviews. Defense also got her to say that it was Trayvon who was on top of Zimm.