What do you THINK really happened that night with Zimmerman & Trayvon?

[240 is Back]

I dont know what happened...  but if i had to GUESS...

I'd say trayvon got away then slowed down once he got around the corner.  Zimmerman went thru behind the bushes (as an angry ninja neighborhood watch commander who had just lose sight of the kid aroundthe corner would do).

They ran right smack dab into each other. Trayvon on phone with GF, having just run two blocks.
ZImmerman - who had the balls to push a fcking cop a few years back - and maybe a few beers in on a sunday afternoon and history of alcohol counseling - probably charged at the kid using some profane language with his hand onthe butt of pistol, front waist band.  Pissed off cowboy, knowing the cops were 60 seconds away, wanting to interrogate trayvon before they arrived so he could be 'THE MAN" and so trayvon would admit where zimm's stolen bike was.  it was a nice bike!

Trayvon is scared and mad and embarassed and tired and they go right into a scuffle.  Trayvon clocks him in the nose and they grapple.  zimmerman, who had attended a MMA/karate gym for 1.5 years, and is 30+ pounds heavier, does get on top of the 6 foot something, 155 pound twink.   Yes, he got on top.  He drew his gun and pressed it against trayvon, probably hopeing trayvon would just stop moving and submit, as he had lost control of situation and even though he hated this punk, he sure as shit didn't want to shoot him.  Trayvon (i think it was him screaming, as does the expert, but I know defense disagrees) - trayvon starts to get up and zimm just shoots him accidentally.

ANd trayvon was dead.  zimm wasn't trying to help him - he got off and was pacing with gun mumling - he was not tested for alcohol, but i think any 27 year old with a history of state-ordered alcohol counseling, who once shoved a cop while drunk, with domestic abuse charges.... well, if he's wrasslin in the night with some punk kid he jsut chased down, it's probably not sober.  Again, completely my own GUESS of how it went down.  They never checked, but i bet his trip to Target that night (ironically) involved the purchase of a 12 pack.

THis isn't a thread on "you're a liar, you can't prove XYZ"... answers may come to light as the trial progresses.  But what is you personal belief or what probably happened that night, IN YOUR BEST GUESS?

[Shockwave]

Man, thats quite the interesting story you've got there.

Im going with 90% of whats stated that happened.... Martin confronted Zimmerman, they exchanged words, they got into a fight, Martin wound up in the mount and was trying to get grab his head and slam it into the pavement, and in fear and desperation Zimmerman grabbed at his pistol shot him.

[tonymctones]

both were idiots,

after hanging up zimmerman was walking back to his truck and came in contact with trayvon probably by accident on both ends. Trayvon asks why he is following him neither one backs down and a fight happens.

the younger more athletic guys gets the upperhand sees the gun and goes for it, zimmerman struggles and gets a shot off killing trayvon.

[Skip8282]

This is a case where I would give a huge deference to the jury's decision.  Very hard to discern all the facts without being a jury member and listening to the whole thing.

It's also concerning that so many people would lock this dude up without any real facts detailing what went down.

[240 is Back]

Man, thats quite the interesting story you've got there.

Im going with 90% of whats stated that happened.... Martin confronted Zimmerman, they exchanged words, they got into a fight, Martin wound up in the mount and was trying to get grab his head and slam it into the pavement, and in fear and desperation Zimmerman grabbed at his pistol shot him.

See, I dont even konw about this... i thought that was the case initially... but zimmerman had 10 years and 30 pounds on him, shorter and thicker -

AND HE SPENT a year and a half in a SELF DEFENSE SCHOOL.   I mean, he was formally trained for 18 months in MMA and karate.  he wasn't the best student in the class, but anyone who's trained knows that in 18 months, you certainly can handle yourself against a twink 30 pounds lighter.  18 months of training in self defense.

Once i heard that, I started to believe he was on top - maybe it was him even yelling for help, just to help control this squirmy tall twink on the bottom.  He drew his gun but didn't know what to do, and when trayvon started to wiggle out, he just shot.  Probably didn't know why.  Maybe didn't even know the keltec went off *although it was the model with the extended trigger that is VERY hard to squeeze - I owned a keltec and they're a bitch to fire).

SO yeah - if you realize the 27 year olf who washed out of police training had 18 months of MMA mat training - do you still think he was the BOTTOM to a skinny pothead?  I dont, anymore.

[tonymctones]

LMFAO 18 months dude you know absolutely shit about physical confrontations...

18 months doesnt mean shit, ive known ppl who have trained their entire life at all different types of self defense/fighting and are still completely useless in a fight.

[Shockwave]

See, I dont even konw about this... i thought that was the case initially... but zimmerman had 10 years and 30 pounds on him, shorter and thicker -

AND HE SPENT a year and a half in a SELF DEFENSE SCHOOL.   I mean, he was formally trained for 18 months in MMA and karate.  he wasn't the best student in the class, but anyone who's trained knows that in 18 months, you certainly can handle yourself against a twink 30 pounds lighter.  18 months of training in self defense.

Once i heard that, I started to believe he was on top - maybe it was him even yelling for help, just to help control this squirmy tall twink on the bottom.  He drew his gun but didn't know what to do, and when trayvon started to wiggle out, he just shot.  Probably didn't know why.  Maybe didn't even know the keltec went off *although it was the model with the extended trigger that is VERY hard to squeeze - I owned a keltec and they're a bitch to fire).

SO yeah - if you realize the 27 year olf who washed out of police training had 18 months of MMA mat training - do you still think he was the BOTTOM to a skinny pothead?  I dont, anymore.

Guess what, I used to train MMA after I got out of the Marine Corps. (MCMAP in the Corps, pancrase/kickboxing in civilian life). Just because he "trained MMA" doesn't mean he can fight, especially if he did the "MMA workout" at some mall McDojo.

Training =/= fighting, and street fighting =/= MMA.

And if Martin liked to fight regularly (which, by all accounts, he did), then it's not nearly as lopsided as you make is sound. Not only that, but having the jump makes a HUGE advantage.

You're talking out of your ass a lot making all the assumptions about fighting, it's safe to say you know nothing. I barely know shit, and I know enough to know that you have no clue what you speak of.

Not only that, but dudes head was bashed open, broken nose, and matching blood stains on the sidewalk. I know you like to think that he did all those things afterwards, but you also don't operate in reality.

[240 is Back]

it's so weird that trayvon was able to punch zimmerman in nose - and then get on top of him, cover his mouth/nose while making threats and taking breath - yet no blood got on him.

Hey, i'm giving zimmerman the benefit of the doubt here - I think Zimm was on top, just screaming for help because he wanted cops and neighbors to come out and see this bad kid attacked him, holding him down.

It makes a LOT more sense and fits with the physical evidence too - zimm DID NOT want to kill him.  He wanted to subdue him, and with 18 months of MMA training, he should have been able to take down an untrained teenage twink.   It would explain the lack of blood on trayvon, it woudl explain the contact shot, it woudl explain the yelling - he didn't wanna do it, but trayvon was wiggling out.


HEY - anyway, this thread is about what YOU think.  Share your alternative theory

[Shockwave]

Oh, and FYI, I have gotten my ass HANDED to me by guys that weighed 160lbs who fought regularly, and I weighed fucking 220.

[tonymctones]

Oh, and FYI, I have gotten my ass HANDED to me by guys that weighed 160lbs who fought regularly, and I weighed fucking 220.

yup 240 believes the way he does b/c he has no experience in physical confrontations.

[Shockwave]

it's so weird that trayvon was able to punch zimmerman in nose - and then get on top of him, cover his mouth/nose while making threats and taking breath - yet no blood got on him.

Hey, i'm giving zimmerman the benefit of the doubt here -

No you're not. You're doing the same thing you're always doing, twisting the facts to convict him.

Anyway, it's inconceivable to you that he was smashing his head into the concrete, and then punched him in the face and broke his nose, before his nose started bleeding? Do you ever think before you speak? There are a million ways it could have happened, and martin did show bruising on his knuckles consistent with a fight I believe. You keep believing whatever you want bro, but don't pretend it's based on facts.

wanted to subdue him, and with 18 months of MMA training, he should have been able to take down an untrained teenage twink

Oh brother, again talking out of your ass.

Young, fast, in shape Black kid in his prime that actually fought on the regular, actually boxing and fighting with his peers, compared to a fat Mexican that took a few months of "get in shape while you learn to do armbars" down at the local McDojo.

You'd think the black kid that fights on the regular would rock the fat wannabe mexican.

See? I can do it too. And mine actually makes sense and is based on evidence. (except for the mcdojo part, i have no idea where he trained, but most of those "self defense" classes are a fucking joke)

[tu_holmes]

Truly I don't really like to guess about these things.

Even if it all happens as 240 says, it's up to the prosecution to PROVE it... That is not an easy thing to do in a case like this.

The end of the trial will be interesting.

[240 is Back]

hey - has anyone shared what they believe happened?  Or is this just "your'e wrong, but I dont have my own theory" kinda thing?

[Shockwave]

hey - has anyone shared what they believe happened?  Or is this just "your'e wrong, but I dont have my own theory" kinda thing?

Pretty sure we already shared what we thought happened, and poked a bunch of holes in your ridiculous theory as well. What, this is "Say what you think happened but dont you dare point out the giant holes in mine" type thread?

[240 is Back]

Pretty sure we already shared what we thought happened, and poked a bunch of holes in your ridiculous theory as well. What, this is "Say what you think happened but dont you dare point out the giant holes in mine" type thread?

i dont recall you telling us what you think happened.  this is the thread for it

[tonymctones]

Man, thats quite the interesting story you've got there.

Im going with 90% of whats stated that happened.... Martin confronted Zimmerman, they exchanged words, they got into a fight, Martin wound up in the mount and was trying to get grab his head and slam it into the pavement, and in fear and desperation Zimmerman grabbed at his pistol shot him.

here you go dumb ass

[Shockwave]

i dont recall you telling us what you think happened.  this is the thread for it

Wow, are you illiterate? You can read, yes? Or can you only write?

[Fury]

I dont know what happened...  but if i had to GUESS...

I'd say trayvon got away then slowed down once he got around the corner.  Zimmerman went thru behind the bushes (as an angry ninja neighborhood watch commander who had just lose sight of the kid aroundthe corner would do).

They ran right smack dab into each other. Trayvon on phone with GF, having just run two blocks.
ZImmerman - who had the balls to push a fcking cop a few years back - and maybe a few beers in on a sunday afternoon and history of alcohol counseling - probably charged at the kid using some profane language with his hand onthe butt of pistol, front waist band.  Pissed off cowboy, knowing the cops were 60 seconds away, wanting to interrogate trayvon before they arrived so he could be 'THE MAN" and so trayvon would admit where zimm's stolen bike was.  it was a nice bike!

Trayvon is scared and mad and embarassed and tired and they go right into a scuffle.  Trayvon clocks him in the nose and they grapple.  zimmerman, who had attended a MMA/karate gym for 1.5 years, and is 30+ pounds heavier, does get on top of the 6 foot something, 155 pound twink.   Yes, he got on top.  He drew his gun and pressed it against trayvon, probably hopeing trayvon would just stop moving and submit, as he had lost control of situation and even though he hated this punk, he sure as shit didn't want to shoot him.  Trayvon (i think it was him screaming, as does the expert, but I know defense disagrees) - trayvon starts to get up and zimm just shoots him accidentally.

ANd trayvon was dead.  zimm wasn't trying to help him - he got off and was pacing with gun mumling - he was not tested for alcohol, but i think any 27 year old with a history of state-ordered alcohol counseling, who once shoved a cop while drunk, with domestic abuse charges.... well, if he's wrasslin in the night with some punk kid he jsut chased down, it's probably not sober.  Again, completely my own GUESS of how it went down.  They never checked, but i bet his trip to Target that night (ironically) involved the purchase of a 12 pack.

THis isn't a thread on "you're a liar, you can't prove XYZ"... answers may come to light as the trial progresses.  But what is you personal belief or what probably happened that night, IN YOUR BEST GUESS?

Here's a better question: why are you more concerned with this than PRISM? Interesting priorities you have.

Also, nice fairytale you concocted.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

[Roger Bacon]

I guess he won't be assaulting anyone else... 

[Straw Man]

I KNOW if Zimmerman stayed in his truck as he was told to do that its
99.999999% likely that Martin would not have been shot that night by Zimmerman

[Roger Bacon]

I KNOW if Zimmerman stayed in his truck as he was told to do that its
99.999999% likely that Martin would not have been shot that night by Zimmerman

Absolutely, he should have... Even more so due to the fact that he was armed.

What's your point though?  That doesn't make him guilty of any crime?

[240 is Back]

there is zero evidence trayvon started the fight.

We do know that, right?  ZERO.

[tonymctones]

there is zero evidence trayvon started the fight.

We do know that, right?  ZERO.

There is zero evidence Zimmerman did, you do know that right?

In this country you're innocent until proven guilty, you do know that right?

[240 is Back]

There is zero evidence Zimmerman did, you do know that right?

In this country you're innocent until proven guilty, you do know that right?

yes, agreed `1000%.

As long as we can agree that there is zero proof either man threw the first punch, all good.