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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Roger Bacon on June 28, 2013, 09:31:37 PM
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How's hitting it twice weekly working out for you Adonis?
I've modified the Layne Norton PHAT program, I'm doing Chest/Tri, Back/Bi, Legs/Shoulders, heavy as hell (low reps) Monday thru Wednesday.
Same split Thursday thru Saturday but I'm focusing on hypertrophy those days.
I honestly look better than ever, and I'm gaining strength again big time. It's been a five weeks and there's no sign of over training.
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yo, i wouldnt follow lay nortern programs,unless on gear like himself. :D
also i never seen him do a proper rep of anything, ppl giving shit to cswol here, but lays goodmorning deadssquats are atrocious, those are hitting the quads about as hard as laying on the beach
You might be right, but for now it really is working like a fucking charm. Maybe I just needed a temporary boost or change but for now, I'm riding this wave... lol
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Twice a week has given me the best progress at the fastest rate. I think it is optimal. Not necessary but optimal, especially if you are not on any drugs or anything.
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yah, often ppl find out very late how good it is to increase training frequency.
oh brother, the wasted time i regret so much when i was doing 3 rorkouts a week and thought i need the 4 days off to recover.haha
That's where I was, completely misguided... lol
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Twice a week has given me the best progress at the fastest rate. I think it is optimal. Not necessary but optimal, especially if you are not on any drugs or anything.
Good to know, glad you posted the PHAT program (or whoever it was that did).
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man fuck all you so call rocket scientists trying to come up with all these new so called workouts its all a bunch of bullshit every person has different recovery abilities and it also depends on how much sleep and how much stress is in your life etc, any basic routine will work and when you try a new workout and feel that you are gaining its called shocking your body dumbasses and it also helps you mentally because you are doing something new, you einsteins really need to get a clue or better yet get a trainer.
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man fuck all you so call rocket scientists trying to come up with all these new so called workouts its all a bunch of bullshit every person has different recovery abilities and it also depends on how much sleep and how much stress is in your life etc, any basic routine will work and when you try a new workout and feel that you are gaining its called shocking your body dumbasses and it also helps you mentally because you are doing something new, you einsteins really need to get a clue or better yet get a trainer.
Perfect summation.
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PHAT is a killer program. I've done it for 1.5 years, though I've modified it as to maximize my anabolic windows and so on and so forth. I like any split that hits it all twice a week.
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where's the pics of your progress ???
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man fuck all you so call rocket scientists trying to come up with all these new so called workouts its all a bunch of bullshit every person has different recovery abilities and it also depends on how much sleep and how much stress is in your life etc, any basic routine will work and when you try a new workout and feel that you are gaining its called shocking your body dumbasses and it also helps you mentally because you are doing something new, you einsteins really need to get a clue or better yet get a trainer.
So why do they need a trainer after reading that? Like you are going to come up with an "amazing" routine? Oh wait...instead of doing pulldowns first, they will do rows. Then you will reduce the rest period and tell them how good they are doing while wearing a polo shirt one size too small to embellish your average arm size but unfortunately not your gut (but its ok, you are bulking right now)
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How's hitting it twice weekly working out for you Adonis?
I've modified the Layne Norton PHAT program, I'm doing Chest/Tri, Back/Bi, Legs/Shoulders, heavy as hell (low reps) Monday thru Wednesday.
Same split Thursday thru Saturday but I'm focusing on hypertrophy those days.
I honestly look better than ever, and I'm gaining strength again big time. It's been a five weeks and there's no sign of over training.
Yes but how many excercies per group, for example chest and back, do you do? And how long does the workout become from start to finish?
I want to do twice a week, with focus on form and high reps but I don't have the time.
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4 days a week 45 mins per session. ???
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So why do they need a trainer after reading that? Like you are going to come up with an "amazing" routine? Oh wait...instead of doing pulldowns first, they will do rows. Then you will reduce the rest period and tell them how good they are doing while wearing a polo shirt one size too small to embellish your average arm size but unfortunately not your gut (but its ok, you are bulking right now)
Remember my client base is the average joe who knows nothing about training and they need somebody to motivate them.
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4 days a week 45 mins per session. ???
HEAVY DUTY baby!!!!
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Remember my client base is the average joe who knows nothing about training and they need somebody to motivate them.
Or the perceived need. Knows nothign....hmmm....remem ber that its not rocket science. Just pick the weight up and put it down. How hard is it to teach someone that? ::)
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Or the perceived need. Knows nothign....hmmm....remem ber that its not rocket science. Just pick the weight up and put it down. How hard is it to teach someone that? ::)
Cue Coach with his sales pitch in 3,2,1.....
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Cue Coach with his sales pitch in 3,2,1.....
Cue the fact you didn't detect the sarcasm UKJizz
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Cue the fact you think there is actually more to it than that.
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Or the perceived need. Knows nothign....hmmm....remem ber that its not rocket science. Just pick the weight up and put it down. How hard is it to teach someone that? ::)
Why does floyd mayweather have a boxing coach I thought he knew how to box, please use your common sense in you have any.
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Why does floyd mayweather have a boxing coach I thought he knew how to box, please use your common sense in you have any.
HA HA HA HA....comparing boxing to your average gym goer. Oh brother.... ::)
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Find me a person who did basic lifts, trained several times a week and then any changes in his training schedule made significant difference in his progress (physique wise).
Good luck with that.
Now, powerlifting/weightlifting, that's a different story.
Oh and Layne's "squat" is what he does before powerlifting meets. He (hopefully) does not do that year round.
That's 250kg (555lbs) high bar, narrow stance... about 20kg lighter than Norton.
Norton is so fucking overhyped.
Here Igor Lukanin dances with Layne Norton's squat record.
Oh and Igor Lukanin is olympic weightlifter, he undergoes much stricter testing than Norton. So if Norton is natural, this guy is supernatural.
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Cue the fact you think there is actually more to it than that.
Cue the fact that you are contradicting yourself.
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where's the pics of your progress ???
Come home and I'll show you. :P
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Yes but how many excercies per group, for example chest and back, do you do? And how long does the workout become from start to finish?
I want to do twice a week, with focus on form and high reps but I don't have the time.
On the first three days I'm doing something like MAX-OT, focusing on gaining strength. Second three days I'm doing something like 20 sets, 10 to 12 reps (The kind of workout that gives you a good pump). I take a ton of time between sets on the first three days so I can lift heavy. Second three days I try to keep up the intensity and really do a lot of work.
Might be stupid, but I'm liking this.
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Come home and I'll show you. :P
lol
where you at?
W. Broad St?
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lol
where you at?
W. Broad St?
Actually... 257 E Broad St... 8)
Mom kicked me out, so I'm sleeping in the abandoned original Wendy's location.
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at least you're not on the near east side
or is that the near east side ???
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at least you're not on the near east side
or is that the near east side ???
lol
I think I71 is the boarder
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I wouldn’t follow Adonis principles too seriously, he is very DECEPTIVE. Like how he stated that he can eat icecream, pizza, and whatever he wants and still gets leaner because it fits into his macros (a calorie is a calorie BS). But what he failed to tell anyone is that he does plenty of Landscape work outside, and that his work is very physical Manual labor, so outside the gym he is still doing lots of physical activities (around 80 hours a week).
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I wouldn’t follow Adonis principles too seriously, he is very DECEPTIVE. Like how he stated that he can eat icecream, pizza, and whatever he wants and still gets leaner because it fits into his macros (a calorie is a calorie BS). But what he failed to tell anyone is that he does plenty of Landscape work outside, and that his work is very physical Manual labor, so outside the gym he is still doing lots of physical activities (around 80 hours a week).
You do realize a calorie is a unit of measure, right?
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You do realize a calorie is a unit of measure, right?
Sorry, but if I ate 2000 calories worth of skittles, I wouldnt' look or feel the same as if I ate 2000 calories worth of steaks
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You do realize a calorie is a unit of measure, right?
Another Variable to consider and factor in is "insulin Spike" that is caused by sugar, this alone discredits "a calorie is a calorie". "protein is a protein" is also BS, try taking in 200g of SOY protein per day for 3 months compared to a guy taking just taking 200g of regular whey per day, you will notice yourself quite more puffy and soft, holding a lot of water around the face and body due to estrogen from taking that much soy daily. QUALITY OVER QUANTITY
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Only reason why TA can get away with this, is that he is VERY ACTIVE around the gym and outside the gym, that his body burns it off before it does some damage to his physique. But for US norms, that have a 9-5 job just sitting around a desk, it doesn't suffice
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I remember when i first started working out if i did not get my creatine and protein shake within half an hour after training i would freak out thinking that i am losing muscle and every 3 hours i had to eat something or i would lose muscle also, the mags and supplement companies sure that a good job of brain washing a young kid into spending his money on garbage and this happen to plenty of young lifters.
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Another Variable to consider and factor in is "insulin Spike" that is caused by sugar, this alone discredits "a calorie is a calorie". "protein is a protein" is also BS, try taking in 200g of SOY protein per day for 3 months compared to a guy taking just taking 200g of regular whey per day, you will notice yourself quite more puffy and soft, holding a lot of water around the face and body due to estrogen from taking that much soy daily. QUALITY OVER QUANTITY
No, a calorie IS a calorie. Just like 1lb is 1lb be it from feathers or lead. One inch is one inch. No one said "protein is a protein", but the L-leucine you get from soy is no different from the l-leucine you get from whey. Are you the type that says "muscle weighs more than fat"?
Again, my question stands....do you realize that a "calorie" is a unit of measure? Do you know what the definition of a "calorie" is?
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No, a calorie IS a calorie. Just like 1lb is 1lb be it from feathers or lead. One inch is one inch. No one said "protein is a protein", but the L-leucine you get from soy is no different from the l-leucine you get from whey. Are you the type that says "muscle weighs more than fat"?
Again, my question stands....do you realize that a "calorie" is a unit of measure? Do you know what the definition of a "calorie" is?
So your relation with “lb is a lb, 1lb feather is the same as 1lb lead”, you are saying a 275lb fat guy is the same as a 275lb shredded Ronnie Coleman, both are 275lb. Quality Over Quantity!! The Human body is not that simple as you think, HORMONE LEVELS play a BIG FACTOR in what you put into your body, wither it be FATS, CARBS, or Protein, at a certain RATIO. Testosterone, Metabolism, thyroid, Estrogen LEVELS are ALL easily manipulated, when eating a certain amount and the quality of the amount of food. You are, what you eat.
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Another Example to discredit this, is that I can't just eat one meal for the whole week, One big meal containing 100000 calories and expect to be fine for the whole week of not eating. Your body can't handle that much overload in one sitting, hence eating 3-6 meals spread out through the day, metabolism is a key factor, which is easily manipulated by a constant diet
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Don't know why you guys would think otherwise, this has been done and proven for a long time, the only variable you guys do that fail to discuss when debating this matter is "workload, throughout the whole day". Stop trying to "reinvent the wheel". Real question you need to ask is
DO YOU EVEN LIFT BRO
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Watching porn makes my kawk PHAT.
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Stop trying to reinvent the wheel. Your average person works a 9-5 desk job and only does about 1-2 hours of physical activities 4 times a week, so we can’t burn off all that crap we take in just to prove that a calorie is a calorie BS. Some of us have normal lives, so we need to stick carefully with what our bodies take in, and not just anything we want.
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Stop trying to reinvent the wheel. Your average person works a 9-5 desk job and only does about 1-2 hours of physical activities 4 times a week, so we can’t burn off all that crap we take in just to prove that a calorie is a calorie BS. Some of us have normal lives, so we need to stick carefully with what our bodies take in, and not just anything we want.
Actually, you're wrong on every level. First of all, you do not understand concept of calorie. Calorie is an energy unit. Yes, Adonis does a lot of labor work, so he needs a lot of energy (=CALORIES). It would not matter if that intake was from rice or ice cream. If he is within his caloric intake it won't make a difference.
First, you say calorie is not a calorie, then you say Adonis can get away with his diet because he burns alot of calories. See, you got it all fucking confused. You confused two concepts:
- Adonis can get away with huge caloric intake because of his daily activities.
- Adonis can get away with shit diet because... so now, what does activity has to do with that?
There is a lot of research supporting the idea that if you stick within your macros it does not matter what you it. Read it up.
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you can get away with it as long as your burn it off, but if you don't then it all depends on what you ate. Testosterone, Estrogen, Thyroid, metabolism all get manipulated depending on a diet, HORMONES and metabolism is a factor, again which is influence on a diet
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Oh and your username pretty much sums it up
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If I ate ramen noodles all day for a year, I would feel sick, look sick, and my estrogen levels would be at an all time HIGH. Here is an article of a girl who ate nothing but RAMEN noodles for 13 years and now has the health condition of an 80 year old
http://www.examiner.com/article/teen-eats-ramen-noodles-for-the-last-13-years
A calorie is not a calorie, So your Bro science has FAILED you moron
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If I ate ramen noodles all day for a year, I would feel sick, look sick, and my estrogen levels would be at an all time HIGH. Here is an article of a girl who ate nothing but RAMEN noodles for 13 years and now has the health condition of an 80 year old
http://www.examiner.com/article/teen-eats-ramen-noodles-for-the-last-13-years
A calorie is not a calorie, So your Bro science has FAILED you moron
Why do you keep missing the point you dummy?
A calorie is a calorie because its a unit of energy.
You should be talking about the nutritional value of a calorie, that isn't the same.
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Here is another article of a girl who ate only chicken nuggets for 15 years and is now in the Hosipital
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2092071/Stacey-Irvine-17-collapses-eating-McDonalds-chicken-nuggets-age-2.html
WHERE IS YOUR BROSCIENCE NOW, PROFESSOR!
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Why do you keep missing the point you dummy?
A calorie is a calorie because its a unit of energy.
You should be talking about the nutritional value of a calorie, that isn't the same.
A CERTAIN CALORIE HAS DIFFERENT NUTRITIONAL VALUE THAN ANOTHER CERTAIN CALORIE MORON, 1000 CALORIES WORTH OF FRUITS HAS DIFFERENT NUTRITION THAN 1000 CALORIES WORTH OF SKITTLES, HENCE DISCREDITING CALORIE IS A CALORIE, YOUR WELCOME
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A CERTAIN CALORIE HAS DIFFERENT NUTRITIONAL VALUE THAN ANOTHER CERTAIN CALORIE MORON, 1000 CALORIES WORTH OF FRUITS HAS DIFFERENT NUTRITION THAN 1000 CALORIES WORTH OF SKITTLES, HENCE DISCREDITING CALORIE IS A CALORIE, YOUR WELCOME
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ALL FAG
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I'm sorry, that I am trying to educate some of you, but choose your poison, I wish everyone here well, and long, healthy life, which ever path you decide to choose
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cal·o·rie
/ˈkal(ə)rē/
Noun
Either of two units of heat energy.
The energy needed to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water through 1 °C (now usually defined as 4.1868 joules).
Now, WTF has that got to do with noodles?
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Now, WTF has that got to do with noodles?
You know what, don't listen to me, go ahead and feed your sons soy based products, and then wonder why he turns queer later on in his life. PEACE!
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You know what, don't listen to me, go ahead and feed your sons soy based products, and then wonder why he turns queer later on in his life. PEACE!
and still you dont get it, jeez you really are as dumb as I thought.
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Your body hormones are influence on what type of food you ate, Hormones are a big factor in this equation, things aren't as black and white as u think. Not everyone has access to ROIDS as you ;)
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Your body hormones are influence on what type of food you ate, Hormones are a big factor in this equation, things aren't as black and white as u think. Not everyone has access to ROIDS as you ;)
Thanks for the compliment. ;)
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Thanks for the compliment. ;)
Your quite welcome, musclebear ;) (no homo)
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You unnatural musclebear!
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So your relation with “lb is a lb, 1lb feather is the same as 1lb lead”, you are saying a 275lb fat guy is the same as a 275lb shredded Ronnie Coleman, both are 275lb. Quality Over Quantity!! The Human body is not that simple as you think, HORMONE LEVELS play a BIG FACTOR in what you put into your body, wither it be FATS, CARBS, or Protein, at a certain RATIO. Testosterone, Metabolism, thyroid, Estrogen LEVELS are ALL easily manipulated, when eating a certain amount and the quality of the amount of food. You are, what you eat.
Yes, a 275lb guy weighs the same as a 275lb guy. No matter if he is 25%bf or 5% bodyfat. Whats so hard to grasp here?
Again, macro is not a macro but 1kCal = 1kCal. How you arrive at that kCal is not the subject. Did you bother to look up the definition of a calorie? You can throw out all the hormone names you want...the ones that are usually thrown out with the bro-scientists...but the basic fact remains. A kCal is a UNIT of measure. Realize that and you won't look like you are missing the forest for the trees
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Don't know why you guys would think otherwise, this has been done and proven for a long time, the only variable you guys do that fail to discuss when debating this matter is "workload, throughout the whole day". Stop trying to "reinvent the wheel". Real question you need to ask is
DO YOU EVEN LIFT BRO
Who is reinventing the wheel? The question is...who are you trying to impress "bro"? Guru....oh brother ::)
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Yes, a 275lb guy weighs the same as a 275lb guy. No matter if he is 25%bf or 5% bodyfat. Whats so hard to grasp here?
Again, macro is not a macro but 1kCal = 1kCal. How you arrive at that kCal is not the subject. Did you bother to look up the definition of a calorie? You can throw out all the hormone names you want...the ones that are usually thrown out with the bro-scientists...but the basic fact remains. A kCal is a UNIT of measure. Realize that and you won't look like you are missing the forest for the trees
If that is the base of your argument, you pretty much loss all accountability, Good night and Good luck
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If that is the base of your argument, you pretty much loss all accountability, Good night and Good luck
anabolicguru STILL failing to grasp the point.
Its getting ridiculous now, he must be trolling.
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If that is the base of your argument, you pretty much loss all accountability, Good night and Good luck
Why is it so hard to answer one question....do you know what a calorie is? How its defined?
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Why is it so hard to answer one question....do you know what a calorie is? How its defined?
He thinks it has something to do with noodles.
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a calorie is not a calorie in terms of bodybuilding and fat loss due to the macros they contain, enough said
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a calorie is not a calorie in terms of bodybuilding and fat loss due to the macros they contain, enough said
Ok, one last time....do you know what the definition of a calorie is? Google is very simple to use....if you can't answer, go back to BB.com douche.
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We will just agree to disagree, even though by this debate, you sound like a complete dumbass
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He's like one of those promuscle guys. I used to post them until some "elite", "vet" member said Levrone could gain 2kg drinking 1l of water during his workout or something like that. When I responded asking him if Levrone can turn energy into mass he responded that I shouldn't play smartass.
WTF @ american education, seriously.
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We will just agree to disagree, even though by this debate, you sound like a complete dumbass
Wow....you can't even answer a simple question. Agree to disagree???
1" = 1" no matter how you make it up
$1 = $1 no matter how you make it up
1lb = 1lb no matter how you make it up
Dumbass = you
Please tell us that you aren't this retarded on BB.com
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He's like one of those promuscle guys. I used to post them until some "elite", "vet" member said Levrone could gain 2kg drinking 1l of water during his workout or something like that. When I responded asking him if Levrone can turn energy into mass he responded that I shouldn't play smartass.
WTF @ american education, seriously.
That is funny. We aren't all that thick
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Wow....you can't even answer a simple question. Agree to disagree???
1" = 1" no matter how you make it up
$1 = $1 no matter how you make it up
1lb = 1lb no matter how you make it up
Dumbass = you
Please tell us that you aren't this retarded on BB.com
one lb of fat is not equal to one lb of muscle, I hope you don't look as dumb as you sound.
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one lb of fat is not equal to one lb of muscle, I hope you don't look as dumb as you sound.
so 1lb does not equal 1lb in your world?
Just answer this question....do you believe that muscle weighs more than fat?
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so 1lb does not equal 1lb in your world?
Just answer this question....do you believe that muscle weighs more than fat?
All things aren't created equal, a pound of muscle does not function the same as a pound of fat. Yes they weigh the same, but do not function the same. You are an idiot for believing they are the same, hope this helps
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A calorie is not a calorie, in more than one sense. Carbohydrate, fat and protein calories are indeed equal by definition in terms of their energy content, but the body processes each in a distinct way, and these differences have real implications for weight management. I
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All things aren't created equal, a pound of muscle does not function the same as a pound of fat. Yes they weigh the same, but do not function the same. You are an idiot for believing they are the same, hope this helps
LOL...1lb = 1lb. No one said anything about function my dear. Just like a calorie. You seem to not be able to google it, so here is what a 'calorie' is :
The energy needed to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water through 1 °C (now usually defined as 4.1868 joules)
Now, that does not change regardless of protein, carbohydrates, or fat. No where does that change regardless of the substance. Now, if you want to discuss the QUANTITY of each...yes, there is difference. You talk quality, but yet do you know that EVERY starchy carbohydrate is broken to either glucose, fructose, or glactose in the body? Meaning that if you wanted to get your carbs from licorice instead sweet potatoes....feel free. My guess is you will tell me to go and eat all my calories from licorice. That again is not my point.
So, listen princess...before you get thoroughly destroyed...step away.