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Well not counting that having Rick Perry as their leader, these dumbasses were so upset over their little abortion bill failing that they consoled themselves by passing a ban against male masturbation.
Since they couldn't tell women what to do with their bodies, they now resort to trying to tell men.
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Lol. Clearly telling others what to do is how they masturbate.
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Hellbent on protecting the unborn even at the source I suppose.
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Every sperm is sacred. You can't spill one drop.
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The utter lunacy of our elected officials never ceases to amaze me.
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Every sperm is sacred. You can't spill one drop.
ROFL
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http://news.yahoo.com/texas-senate-passes-abortion-restrictions-050032557.html
tell us all how this is a war on women...::)
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Well not counting that having Rick Perry as their leader, these dumbasses were so upset over their little abortion bill failing that they consoled themselves by passing a ban against male masturbation.
Since they couldn't tell women what to do with their bodies, they now resort to trying to tell men.
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I thought no way,this has to be a joke :D :D :D :D
Texas legislature fails on abortion, passes masturbation bill
Politics June 26, 2013 Comments: 153
Texas legislators successfully pass pro-life bill.
Texas legislators successfully pass pro-life bill.
Coming down to the final minute as Texas Lt. Governor David Dewhurst forced Sen. Wendy Davis to end her filibuster, the legislature was unable to pass a widely decried abortion bill. The legislature was able to accomplish another aspect of their pro-life agenda though, a ban on male masturbation.
One Texas lawmaker joyously announced after the passing of the measure, “this marks a milestone for the pro-life movement! We must protect the unborn any way we can; I’m very proud that my fellow legislators voted to protect life, even in its earliest stages!”The new measure will go into effect on January 1, 2014 which will make many forms of male masturbation illegal. Exceptions include sperm donations, which now must only be performed at a designated hospital facility.
New rules will also require men to sign an agreement when obtaining prescription erectile dysfunction medication which indicates they will not use the medicine for any purposes other than sexual intercourse with a woman.Amendments added to the bill also require a permit to obtain and possess male sexual toys which could be used to assist people in violating the new law.
Those found in violation of the new law could be sentenced up to two years in prison.Many legislators who voted in favor of the bill also voted in favor of a bill debated just prior to speed up executions in the state. Legislators were hopeful they would be able to have time to pass another bill which would have nullified Obamacare, the federal legislation in which many are decrying as government getting in between people and their doctor and making healthcare decisions for people.
By: George M. Spooner
George may be contacted via email at tribuneheraldnews@gmail.com
the stupid party lives on :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Well what do you expect from a state that thinks July is The Texas Heterosexual Awareness Month? Apparently, the closet Repubs there haven't seen a straight male in so long they forgot what they look like.
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Well not counting that having Rick Perry as their leader, these dumbasses were so upset over their little abortion bill failing that they consoled themselves by passing a ban against male masturbation.
Since they couldn't tell women what to do with their bodies, they now resort to trying to tell men.
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WTF ???
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Between this and Dems wanting to designate a national park on the moon, I can't help but the laugh at how pathetic our politicians are.
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I thought no way,this has to be a joke :D :D :D :D
Texas legislature fails on abortion, passes masturbation bill
Politics June 26, 2013 Comments: 153
Texas legislators successfully pass pro-life bill.
Texas legislators successfully pass pro-life bill.
Coming down to the final minute as Texas Lt. Governor David Dewhurst forced Sen. Wendy Davis to end her filibuster, the legislature was unable to pass a widely decried abortion bill. The legislature was able to accomplish another aspect of their pro-life agenda though, a ban on male masturbation.
One Texas lawmaker joyously announced after the passing of the measure, “this marks a milestone for the pro-life movement! We must protect the unborn any way we can; I’m very proud that my fellow legislators voted to protect life, even in its earliest stages!”The new measure will go into effect on January 1, 2014 which will make many forms of male masturbation illegal. Exceptions include sperm donations, which now must only be performed at a designated hospital facility.
New rules will also require men to sign an agreement when obtaining prescription erectile dysfunction medication which indicates they will not use the medicine for any purposes other than sexual intercourse with a woman.Amendments added to the bill also require a permit to obtain and possess male sexual toys which could be used to assist people in violating the new law.
Those found in violation of the new law could be sentenced up to two years in prison.Many legislators who voted in favor of the bill also voted in favor of a bill debated just prior to speed up executions in the state. Legislators were hopeful they would be able to have time to pass another bill which would have nullified Obamacare, the federal legislation in which many are decrying as government getting in between people and their doctor and making healthcare decisions for people.
By: George M. Spooner
George may be contacted via email at tribuneheraldnews@gmail.com
the stupid party lives on :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
it is a joke
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http://news.yahoo.com/texas-senate-passes-abortion-restrictions-050032557.html
tell us all how this is a war on women...::)
it's not. it's just a bill trying to make abortion centers actual surgical centers and not butcher shops. but it would reduce the amount of abortions so it's "a war agaisnt women".
"House Bill 2 would require doctors to have admitting privileges at nearby hospitals, allow abortions only in surgical centers, limit where and when women may take abortion-inducing pills and ban abortions after 20 weeks."
i'm sorry but if you have a problem with this part of the bill you are a fucking idiot.
the reason that all those clinics will have to close is simply because they are not equipped to handle a lot of the life saving surgical procedures that may need to occur during an abortion.
i thought the reason we wanted to legaluize abortion was to make these procedures safer? why are they fighting for the right to own, operate, and patronize 2nd rate abortion clinics?
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the problem is that most people who are protesting the bill have no idea whats in it. all they see is a bill calling abortion doctors to task and they call it "a war against women". so they blindly fight against it. if anyone can explain why they have a problem with the specifics of the bill I'm all ears.
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it's not. it's just a bill trying to make abortion centers actual surgical centers and not butcher shops. but it would reduce the amount of abortions so it's "a war agaisnt women".
"House Bill 2 would require doctors to have admitting privileges at nearby hospitals, allow abortions only in surgical centers, limit where and when women may take abortion-inducing pills and ban abortions after 20 weeks."
i'm sorry but if you have a problem with this part of the bill you are a fucking idiot.
the reason that all those clinics will have to close is simply because they are not equipped to handle a lot of the life saving surgical procedures that may need to occur during an abortion.
i thought the reason we wanted to legaluize abortion was to make these procedures safer? why are they fighting for the right to own, operate, and patronize 2nd rate abortion clinics?
I can see how it might rankle some. It's an example of the state getting involved in how a trained doctor performs their work. Also, it takes a very private procedure usually performed at a small clinic and places it into the confines of a large hospital resulting in a lot more involvement. There might be an element of shaming to this move as well as making the procedure a lot more complicated thus dissuading a woman from doing it. This is just an observation for the sake of argument. Bear, you're a pretty fair minded guy and I know you won't take putting forth a counter argument personally. By the way, haven't seen you post much lately. Where you been?
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I can see how it might rankle some. It's an example of the state getting involved in how a trained doctor performs their work. Also, it takes a very private procedure usually performed at a small clinic and places it into the confines of a large hospital resulting in a lot more involvement. There might be an element of shaming to this move as well as making the procedure a lot more complicated thus dissuading a woman from doing it. This is just an observation for the sake of argument. Bear, you're a pretty fair minded guy and I know you won't take putting forth a counter argument personally. By the way, haven't seen you post much lately. Where you been?
yeah haven't been on here much. i'm usually in the office less in the summer.
and yeah i can see that side of the argument. i guess if i was a woman i would rather take a little shame and know that i will live through the procedure if something goes wrong. i guess i probably should hear a doctor's opinion on the safety of the majortity of abortion clinics before I make up my mind.
i guess the problem i have is that any action directed at making abortion clinics safer carries an inherent cost and realistically would result in less abortions. so it seems as though abortion clinics will not get any safer than they already are as any attempt to make them safer is a "war against women". my question is, "is there no need to make abortion clinics safer? everyone is completely satisfied that the abortion clinics in this country are being run professionally?" and "how could a bill that tries to make them safer NOT be viewed as a war against women?" Do we just bury our head in the sand and just accept the fact that doctors like Gosnell are going to come and go as they please? Do we really have to 100% rely on whistleblowers to stop doctors who run clinics like him? or can we enlist some oversight? i simply don't see that as a war against women. quite the contrary. i see it as helping these women.
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yeah haven't been on here much. i'm usually in the office less in the summer.
and yeah i can see that side of the argument. i guess if i was a woman i would rather take a little shame and know that i will live through the procedure if something goes wrong. i guess i probably should hear a doctor's opinion on the safety of the majortity of abortion clinics before I make up my mind.
i guess the problem i have is that any action directed at making abortion clinics safer carries an inherent cost and realistically would result in less abortions. so it seems as though abortion clinics will not get any safer than they already are as any attempt to make them safer is a "war against women". my question is, "is there no need to make abortion clinics safer? everyone is completely satisfied that the abortion clinics in this country are being run professionally?" and "how could a bill that tries to make them safer NOT be viewed as a war against women?" Do we just bury our head in the sand and just accept the fact that doctors like Gosnell are going to come and go as they please? Do we really have to 100% rely on whistleblowers to stop doctors who run clinics like him? or can we enlist some oversight? i simply don't see that as a war against women. quite the contrary. i see it as helping these women.
I haven't seen any outcry from women talking about needing safer facilities. Nor do I see anybody pimping stats that show maternal deaths as being significant for women who undergo abortion.
If you've got those facts, I'll gladly listen.
But, IMO, this has little to do with safety and everything to do with control.
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I haven't seen any outcry from women talking about needing safer facilities. Nor do I see anybody pimping stats that show maternal deaths as being significant for women who undergo abortion.
If you've got those facts, I'll gladly listen.
But, IMO, this has little to do with safety and everything to do with control.
Holy Shit
I am in complete agreement with you on this
WTF ?
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Holy Shit
I am in complete agreement with you on this
WTF ?
You been chooming today?
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You been chooming today?
I assumed you were
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I haven't seen any outcry from women talking about needing safer facilities. Nor do I see anybody pimping stats that show maternal deaths as being significant for women who undergo abortion.
If you've got those facts, I'll gladly listen.
But, IMO, this has little to do with safety and everything to do with control.
http://www.afterabortion.org/research/DeathsAssocWithAbortionJCHLP.pdf
basically it states that the scientific opinion that helped push the passage of roe v wade was faulty and that abortion actually is more dangerous than childbirth. but no one cares because we are fighting harder to keep women's abortion a secret rather than fighting to make abortions safer. and again,the good people (and yes i think they were good people with their heart in the right place) who fought to pass roe v wade would be disgusted at what this country is turning it into. the whole reason we passed roe v wade was to make it safer for women. now we ignore ways to make it safer so young girls can keep their abortion a secret. this is not what those people were figting for.
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and you don't hear of any outcry because the liberal machine is telling these women that keeping their abortions a secret is more important than their safety. "your safety is not important if it interferes with increasing the number of abortions"
i mean you liberals on here are all the big conspiracy theorists. how are you not having a field day with this?
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I havent really seen anything pushing more abortions... what possible reason could they have to want women to have abortions besides population control?
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http://news.yahoo.com/texas-senate-passes-abortion-restrictions-050032557.html
tell us all how this is a war on women...::)
the part where the additions of in the case of rape and incest were denied is one part. It's there fucking body, fuck off telling people what to do with it.
Why place restrictions on when and where the abortion pill (double dose of birth control for all intensive purposes), should we do the same for diphenhydramine or how about one of the more lethal medications such as acetaminophen? There is no rational reason to do so, as danger to the female is far below that of these other OTC medications.
I like the idea of improving abortion centers and regulations around the surgery which is pretty simple as is. The other stuff seems to have no bearing in rational thought.
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I havent really seen anything pushing more abortions... what possible reason could they have to want women to have abortions besides population control?
its not that they "push more abortions". its simply that implementing ANY oversight carries with it inherent cost and if the state places these rules and regulations on abortion clinics some abortion centers will have to close. hence, a "war on women".
that idea is scary.
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Between this and Dems wanting to designate a national park on the moon, I can't help but the laugh at how pathetic our politicians are.
This.
They are all god damn fucking MORONS!
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I would have to ask, are there a lot of deaths at abortion clinics? They claim it's about safety right?
Are women dying after an abortion?
Who?
How many? What's the number?
Go ahead... I'll wait.
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I would have to ask, are there a lot of deaths at abortion clinics? They claim it's about safety right?
Are women dying after an abortion?
Who?
How many? What's the number?
Go ahead... I'll wait.
a very small percentage. however the health risks of legal "safe" abortion are many.
47% of all abortions result in some type of physical complication
6% have resulted in total hysterectomies
6% reported cervical cancer
8% had blocked fallopian tubes
9% had infections
8% had cervical incompetence
15% had post-operative hemorrhage
22% miscarried a later wanted child
(some reported more than one complication)
i know you don't give a fuck. you just want abortion to be legal because its very convenient. i get it.
let me guess. you're going to tell me that there are so many other things that kill women that we should be worried about and you're going to tell me that I should start paying attention to those things instead of harping on abortion?
wow this sounds really familiar. sort of like when conservative people say the same thing to you about gun control. but you ignore their logic and then turn around and use the same logic when it suits you. right? just admit that you want abortion to be legal because the tv told you so and I'll shut up. just be honest.
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also i've only known 2 girls who had abortions. well i knew others i just wasn't very close to them. but both of the ones that i knew had a lot of problems conceiving. their ob/gyn told them that its very common to have problems conceiving if you've had an abortion. their abortion doctor did not tell them this. its just a fact. having an abortion seriously decreases the chances that you will be able to conceive. the more and more oversight that you can have over abortion clinics the more and more of these problems you will be able to mitigate becasue most of the problems are caused by not performing the correct procedure for the patient. there are many ways to abort a child and each patient is different. but no one wants to do that. because you will just call it a "war on women". you don;t want abortion to get better. you just want more of them. again. i get it.
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a very small percentage. however the health risks of legal "safe" abortion are many.
47% of all abortions result in some type of physical complication
Doc here, this is meaningless,like what? dry vagina, tissue inflammation what? there are inherent effects of this procedure, one being abortion, the rest being side effects. It's better then the 100% physical complaints from say a root canal
6% have resulted in total hysterectomies
Fair enough, botched procedures etc, this is close to the rate for most surgeries.
6% reported cervical cancer
what? how the fuck could you make that connection? gonna need to see some citations for this.
8% had blocked fallopian tubes
seems a tad high
9% had infections
sure, not that big of a deal, most invasive things have a similar rate
8% had cervical incompetence
15% had post-operative hemorrhage
oh no, bleeding from the vag, that's not something you see every month or anything.
22% miscarried a later wanted child=
(some reported more than one complication)
spurious
i know you don't give a fuck. you just want abortion to be legal because its very convenient. i get it.
let me guess. you're going to tell me that there are so many other things that kill women that we should be worried about and you're going to tell me that I should start paying attention to those things instead of harping on abortion?
wow this sounds really familiar. sort of like when conservative people say the same thing to you about gun control. but you ignore their logic and then turn around and use the same logic when it suits you. right? just admit that you want abortion to be legal because the tv told you so and I'll shut up. just be honest.
it shouldn't be illegal, that's just stupid. Only an idiot would make it illegal in the cases of rape, incest, medical complications. Choice abortions are the only debatable thing left on the table.
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http://www.afterabortion.org/research/DeathsAssocWithAbortionJCHLP.pdf
basically it states that the scientific opinion that helped push the passage of roe v wade was faulty and that abortion actually is more dangerous than childbirth. but no one cares because we are fighting harder to keep women's abortion a secret rather than fighting to make abortions safer. and again,the good people (and yes i think they were good people with their heart in the right place) who fought to pass roe v wade would be disgusted at what this country is turning it into. the whole reason we passed roe v wade was to make it safer for women. now we ignore ways to make it safer so young girls can keep their abortion a secret. this is not what those people were figting for.
Well, first that's a Literature Review, not a study. And while the suicide information is interesting, a comparative analysis to all deaths just isn't impressive. A study controlling for the multiple variables involved would be far more interesting but socioeconomic factors alone would suggest that women in poor and inherently more dangerous living environments would be at increased risk for things like homicide.
The Texas bill attempts to ban abortion after 20 weeks under the auspices that the fetus feels pain (I have no idea if that's true or not).
The Texas bill requires the physician to make 'reasonable effort' that the woman returns for a follow-up. What the fuck does that even mean and what counts as reasonable?
The Texas bill requires parental consent.
The Texas bill doesn't exclude rape or incest.
The Texas bill is about CONTROL.
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also i've only known 2 girls who had abortions. well i knew others i just wasn't very close to them. but both of the ones that i knew had a lot of problems conceiving. their ob/gyn told them that its very common to have problems conceiving if you've had an abortion. their abortion doctor did not tell them this. its just a fact. having an abortion seriously decreases the chances that you will be able to conceive. the more and more oversight that you can have over abortion clinics the more and more of these problems you will be able to mitigate becasue most of the problems are caused by not performing the correct procedure for the patient. there are many ways to abort a child and each patient is different. but no one wants to do that. because you will just call it a "war on women". you don;t want abortion to get better. you just want more of them. again. i get it.
Well, I know more than a couple of girls who have had abortions.
No problems what so ever... This is going back over 15 years actually.
You know if you get a vasectomy, you can literally just walk into the place and say give it to me.
No one asks shit... Except "Are you sure". So it's just because it's a woman... If men had to deal with the same kind of shit, they would never put any laws up about it.
Even Insurance companies will cover almost all of the cost because they don't want to pay for extra babies on your group policy.
It really is about control of women... Which is fine, but just call it what it is.
Well, first that's a Literature Review, not a study. And while the suicide information is interesting, a comparative analysis to all deaths just isn't impressive. A study controlling for the multiple variables involved would be far more interesting but socioeconomic factors alone would suggest that women in poor and inherently more dangerous living environments would be at increased risk for things like homicide.
The Texas bill attempts to ban abortion after 20 weeks under the auspices that the fetus feels pain (I have no idea if that's true or not).
The Texas bill requires the physician to make 'reasonable effort' that the woman returns for a follow-up. What the fuck does that even mean and what counts as reasonable?
The Texas bill requires parental consent.
The Texas bill doesn't exclude rape or incest.
The Texas bill is about CONTROL.
Correct.
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Well, first that's a Literature Review, not a study. And while the suicide information is interesting, a comparative analysis to all deaths just isn't impressive. A study controlling for the multiple variables involved would be far more interesting but socioeconomic factors alone would suggest that women in poor and inherently more dangerous living environments would be at increased risk for things like homicide.
The Texas bill attempts to ban abortion after 20 weeks under the auspices that the fetus feels pain (I have no idea if that's true or not).
I have no problem with this. make your mind up before you have a full grown fetus.
The Texas bill requires the physician to make 'reasonable effort' that the woman returns for a follow-up. What the fuck does that even mean and what counts as reasonable?
this is simply a way to make doctors a little bit more accountable for what happens to their patients.
The Texas bill requires parental consent.
i want to know when my child is given drugs or when they are going to have a surgical procedure performed on them. i don't get people's problem with this.
The Texas bill doesn't exclude rape or incest.
this i have never agreed with. i'm sure you are on the same page as me with this. however, since children don't need parental consent to have an abortion the person who is abusing them can just tale them themselves and cover it up.. this part only helps rapists and their victims cover a crime up. and its well documented that this happens fairly often.
The Texas bill is about CONTROL.
its also about taking control away from parents and giving more control to the government over your children.
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How is it giving the gov't more control over someone's child? No one is forcing a child to go get an abortion.