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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Big Chiro Flex on July 15, 2013, 10:51:23 AM
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Looking into this very closely....what do you guys think?
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It's one of my favorite compounds. I've been using it off and on for years and i prefer it over Deca these days.
600mg minimum to really see it shine IMO.
The only sides are minor anxiety increase and hunger. It's hard to run it when you're dieting, but i've managed to do it without a problem. The hunger increase in minimal, but i can tell a difference for sure. It can get your BP all jacked up, so keep an eye on that. Other than that i don't get many sides from it. I get smooth gains and good strength increase, i prefer to run it for 16 weeks minimum.
Good luck!
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I liked it especially it's endurance boost (serious) but the BP issues I was getting were unbearable..
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It's one of my favorite compounds. I've been using it off and on for years and i prefer it over Deca these days.
600mg minimum to really see it shine IMO.
The only sides are minor anxiety increase and hunger. It's hard to run it when you're dieting, but i've managed to do it without a problem. The hunger increase in minimal, but i can tell a difference for sure. It can get your BP all jacked up, so keep an eye on that. Other than that i don't get many sides from it. I get smooth gains and good strength increase, i prefer to run it for 16 weeks minimum.
Good luck!
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Thanks for your insight bro!! I was hoping you vets would comment.
Can I ask, for a first run with EQ, and 2nd cycle ever, whats a good starting dose. 200mg just to assess tolerance?
Also, why would you prefer it over deca? The joint relief I got from deca was AMAZING. I almost dont even wanna try anything else, but my curiosity is getting the best of me so I wanna try something new.
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I liked it especially it's endurance boost (serious) but the BP issues I was getting were unbearable..
What did you notice exactly? Just your numbers were jacked up or you were getting the headaches, etc?
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I wanna try this but the increased appetite scares me.
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typicaly increases bloodpressure and apetite, the usual esters available take shitload long time to work.
its advertised as less sides and water retention than test, this is funny, becasue test is atleast twice as strong.
but its ok for newcomers,even on itself, one of the better peds out there.
I always appreciate a Galeniko style synopsis 8)
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What did you notice exactly? Just your numbers were jacked up or you were getting the headaches, etc?
Literally when it kicked in for me like week 5, there was this weird epiphany, like an 'enlightened' feeling.. where my endurance was just through the roof, rep after rep after rep, i could just keep going and going and going... and not tire at all.
However, the blood presure got to me so bad... that i was being twarted from progressing on weights on squats and deads simply because my blood would shoot to my head like crazy.. and I'd fail on sets and everyone would be like woah at my face with the redness and veins popping everywhere.. sooo... when i got off all my heavy set numbers went up ...
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Literally when it kicked in for me like week 5, there was this weird epiphany, like an 'enlightened' feeling.. where my endurance was just through the roof, rep after rep after rep, i could just keep going and going and going... and not tire at all.
However, the blood presure got to me so bad... that i was being twarted from progressing on weights on squats and deads simply because my blood would shoot to my head like crazy.. and I'd fail on sets and everyone would be like woah at my face with the redness and veins popping everywhere.. sooo... when i got off all my heavy set numbers went up ...
Wow!! Thanks for your response bro. I'm excited to give this ago. I'm a fan of controlling my estrogen on cycle, helps me with my bloat and as a result the blood pressure issue. Did you control your E while on?
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I always do but i rarely run aromatizing compounds, test is always hrt for me. And since i got leaner i dont need as much ai, i use very weak/low dose ai support. As far as gyno is concerned, ill get surgery down the line and be done with that, but i dont get estro side effects like some would. The fatter you are the more likely the problems with estro.
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I always do but i rarely run aromatizing compounds, test is always hrt for me. And since i got leaner i dont need as much ai, i use very weak/low dose ai support. As far as gyno is concerned, ill get surgery down the line and be done with that, but i dont get estro side effects like some would. The fatter you are the more likely the problems with estro.
Again, thanks for your response man.
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I like EQ over deca, as it gives me less sides. No progesterone, drive, estrogen issues like Deca. My fave stack is Test & EQ.
To counter BP issues, with EQ or anything else, I take a mild diuretic like dyazide eod. This solves any excess edema & BP issues & is actually healthy imo.
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I love EQ. You need to run it with test. I never had an anxiety problem with EQ, and I have been diagnosed with anxiety disorder. It does make you hungry though.
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If you can find a lab that actually has EQ made from high quality raw materials it is a good compound. Alot of labs sell underdosed EQ. I think it is def worth trying but nothing to special. It works better on some people then others. I tried some MSL EQ 325 years ago and I got some good vascularity off it but it didn't work overnight ,you have to be a little patient with EQ.
I got a little water retention on it that I wasn't expecting,but seemed to keep me looking pumped all day. If you get good EQ when you brush your teeth you will see massive increase of vacularity in your for-arms. nothing I would use going into a contest though. I seem to like masteron better then EQ.
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Thanks for your insight bro!! I was hoping you vets would comment.
Can I ask, for a first run with EQ, and 2nd cycle ever, whats a good starting dose. 200mg just to assess tolerance?
Also, why would you prefer it over deca? The joint relief I got from deca was AMAZING. I almost dont even wanna try anything else, but my curiosity is getting the best of me so I wanna try something new.
No problem!
I think you can use 300-400mg just to see how you react, but keep in mind it takes a long time for it to really kick in. Most people respond really well to 600mg and anything over that is where i have seen the most issues. I've taken it for 3-4 months at a time and it's always a good cycle.
The appetite increase is noticeable, but not as bad as most people think, i can still restrict calories on EQ. It just feels like i have to eat more frequently.
Deca is great for joints and heavy lifting, but it just doesn't give me the same gains as EQ. It's hard to explain but EQ seems to give me better gains and doesn't bloat me as bad as Deca. The vascularity increase is nice as well. I usually look my best when I'm lean and running EQ. Also, Deca and Tren seem to make me a bit lethargic, EQ actually gives me some energy to some extent.
BP can be a huge issue and so can anxiety, but these seem to differ greatly from person to person.
As Gal said, EQ is just like Test and running it with a low dose of Test always provides great results. I'm running 300mg of Sust and 600mg of EQ right now and i feel fantastic. Plenty of energy.
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No problem!
I think you can use 300-400mg just to see how you react, but keep in mind it takes a long time for it to really kick in. Most people respond really well to 600mg and anything over that is where i have seen the most issues. I've taken it for 3-4 months at a time and it's always a good cycle.
The appetite increase is noticeable, but not as bad as most people think, i can still restrict calories on EQ. It just feels like i have to eat more frequently.
Deca is great for joints and heavy lifting, but it just doesn't give me the same gains as EQ. It's hard to explain but EQ seems to give me better gains and doesn't bloat me as bad as Deca. The vascularity increase is nice as well. I usually look my best when I'm lean and running EQ. Also, Deca and Tren seem to make me a bit lethargic, EQ actually gives me some energy to some extent.
BP can be a huge issue and so can anxiety, but these seem to differ greatly from person to person.
As Gal said, EQ is just like Test and running it with a low dose of Test always provides great results. I'm running 300mg of Sust and 600mg of EQ right now and i feel fantastic. Plenty of energy.
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Great post thanks brother.
Im excited to try this!!
I did notice some lethargy with test and deca....it would be great if the EQ gave me a little energy boost, or even if my energy was unchanged Id be completely happy with.
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the two compounds i noticed the least from was EQ and var....EQ i ran for 12 weeks at 400-600 but later found out gear was legit just underdosed... I did see an increase in strength but nothing major
will eventually run it again though
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the two compounds i noticed the least from was EQ and var....EQ i ran for 12 weeks at 400-600 but later found out gear was legit just underdosed... I did see an increase in strength but nothing major
will eventually run it again though
alot of EQ is under-dosed. I don't see why guy's have to run so much EQ.A man should be able to get good gains off just 400mg per week. Vet grade EQ is labelled at 50mg per/ml they don't even give race horses 400mg a week and guys use up to 800mg of EQ a week and get minimal gains off it.
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absolute crap, but newbie customers buy the crap out of it.
very difficult to produce eq cyp that doesn't feel like you just shot reforvit-b.
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All I got out of it really was excellent vascularity which was insane in the gym as I got leaner, but even at 900mg the very little gains in strength and size plateaued. I still run it from time to time, on it now actually.
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i get better vascularity from tren and anadrol. if i'm lean.
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Real EQ is great stuff. Most EQ now is either probably not EQ or under dosed.
For anyone of you guys who've used the old Fort Dodge EQ in the 50mg/cc dose, you know that was some good stuff, especially in a stack with Test.
Btw, this none sense that EQ takes 4-5 weeks to kick in is BS. Use real EQ at 600mg & you feel it in a week or so. If you're using ANY gear & it takes weeks to feel it, you're using bunk or severely under dosed stuff.
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I would run EQ again if i could get bp under control but thats impossible without prescription meds... super high dose of hawthorn extract an celery seed extract and garlic extract helps a ton on Bp lowering numbers hardcore.. but EQ is so bad for me on BP... i just dont want to risk it.. makes me unable to work out period... at least if i wana lift heavier and set PRs... that is... the endurance is amazing but at this cost...
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I would run EQ again if i could get bp under control but thats impossible without prescription meds... super high dose of hawthorn extract an celery seed extract and garlic extract helps a ton on Bp lowering numbers hardcore.. but EQ is so bad for me on BP... i just dont want to risk it.. makes me unable to work out period... at least if i wana lift heavier and set PRs... that is... the endurance is amazing but at this cost...
If you don't have access to pharma BP meds, try Uva Ursi at higher dosages. You can find it in any vitamin store & it's about as powerful a natural diuretic as you can find. Great for controlling gear induced BP/edema issues.
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If you don't have access to pharma BP meds, try Uva Ursi at higher dosages. You can find it in any vitamin store & it's about as powerful a natural diuretic as you can find. Great for controlling gear induced BP/edema issues.
In 21 posts, Qwert quicky solidifying himself as a smart fuckin guy with a ton of BBing knowledge! Glad you're posting here man!
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In 21 posts, Qwert quicky solidifying himself as a smart fuckin guy with a ton of BBing knowledge! Glad you're posting here man!
After being a GB member since 2004, It's about time I posted. Now someone shoot me if I post in the Gossip section.
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When using EQ, it is very smart (read : common sense) to go have blood donated before you start and every 56 days afterwards so you can avoid the higher HCT that it is going to bring.
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When using EQ, it is very smart (read : common sense) to go have blood donated before you start and every 56 days afterwards so you can avoid the higher HCT that it is going to bring.
Can you speak more on this? I've heard that if your training and do cardio frequently (I train 5 days a week and do 7 hours cardio a week) that this step is unnecessary.
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When using EQ, it is very smart (read : common sense) to go have blood donated before you start and every 56 days afterwards so you can avoid the higher HCT that it is going to bring.
I've always heard this, but can never bring myself to donate blood filled with anabolic hormones. seems like such a waste.
also, I've run months upon months of anadrol at 150mg/day, and my hct was always on the high 1/3 of normal, but NEVER high. I doubt EQ would affect hct moreso than anadrol. Thus leaving me with the impression that "steroids raise your hct/rbc's to high levels" nothing more than bro-science.
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Ya ive heard that Eq can be the worst at raising HCT. And that donating blood is a step that should be taken just like any other step to prevent side effects. Im sure that people can obviously make it through a cycle without doing so. But I bet they would have lower blood pressure and feel better if they did donate blood. I imagine combining eq with stimulants for loosing fat could be a bad combination for the heart in particular. Eq is one of those odd steroids that seem to be loved or hated. I heard greg valentino would run crazy amounts of it.
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I've always heard this, but can never bring myself to donate blood filled with anabolic hormones. seems like such a waste.
also, I've run months upon months of anadrol at 150mg/day, and my hct was always on the high 1/3 of normal, but NEVER high. I doubt EQ would affect hct moreso than anadrol. Thus leaving me with the impression that "steroids raise your hct/rbc's to high levels" nothing more than bro-science.
That's irresponsible advice/comments to leave on the internet.. both the running 150mg of drol for months and hct being 'nothing' on steroids... why? Because it may be that you are unaffected or bulletproof, but some dumb teenager who doesn't have any knowledge or understanding of their body could read this and screw themselves.
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anybody remember the old ganabol 50ml jugs 50mg per ml? That was real vet grade EQ.Operation gear grinder took out all the good vet gear. well most of it anyway.They can still make vet steroids but no compound can be made over 50mg per ml. around 05 all those companys like QV,Animal power,Ttokyo,Denkall,Pets pharma, syd group all mexican companys owned by the same guy got shut down. stallion labs came out after the operation gear grinder bust but they got busted too. There is still legit gear down in mexico but it is dosed only at 50mg per ml as it is suppose to be vet gear not for humans. I wish some of those old labs were still around they were decent labs and great prices.
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That's irresponsible advice/comments to leave on the internet.. both the running 150mg of drol for months and hct being 'nothing' on steroids... why? Because it may be that you are unaffected or bulletproof, but some dumb teenager who doesn't have any knowledge or understanding of their body could read this and screw themselves.
c'mon kid. I've read your posts. you're not too far up the ladder from "some dumb teenager" when it comes to AAS. re-read what you typed and think to yourself "do I really know what i'm talking about in this post?" before you hit the "Post" button.
for a child with anemia, the average dose is 2.5-3mg/kg of bodyweight for a minimum of 6 months. 5mg/kg of bodyweight for an adult.
you're comparing healthy bodybuilders weighing 100-150kg's should be deathly afraid of 150mg anadrol? read a textbook or two kid.
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I've always heard this, but can never bring myself to donate blood filled with anabolic hormones. seems like such a waste.
also, I've run months upon months of anadrol at 150mg/day, and my hct was always on the high 1/3 of normal, but NEVER high. I doubt EQ would affect hct moreso than anadrol. Thus leaving me with the impression that "steroids raise your hct/rbc's to high levels" nothing more than bro-science.
Were you lean at the time? Being lean keeps the HCT down naturally. But unfortunately the vast majority of EQ users are not lean and instead try to use EQ in order to get lean and see vascular improvement instead of just dieting. Having BF% that is higher than norm will certainly lead to EQ raising the HCT.
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anybody remember the old ganabol 50ml jugs 50mg per ml? That was real vet grade EQ.Operation gear grinder took out all the good vet gear. well most of it anyway.They can still make vet steroids but no compound can be made over 50mg per ml. around 05 all those companys like QV,Animal power,Ttokyo,Denkall,Pets pharma, syd group all mexican companys owned by the same guy got shut down. stallion labs came out after the operation gear grinder bust but they got busted too. There is still legit gear down in mexico but it is dosed only at 50mg per ml as it is suppose to be vet gear not for humans. I wish some of those old labs were still around they were decent labs and great prices.
Check out the size of this jug
(http://wellcopharma.com/wp-content/files_mf/megabol.jpg)
;D
But you're right, all these down in latin america are 50/mg per ml.
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(http://www.vetermex.com/images/medicamentos_farmaceuticos_veterinarios/Catofos%20B9_B12/Boldemax/Boldemax_AP_boldenona.jpg)
Man, those 250ml jugs look so juicy!
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You can still get Vet EQ in the 50mg/ml dose in the 50ml bottles. I've been using this forever since I had a good local connection for just vet EQ. My fave cycle is HG test & Vet EQ. It can't be beat imo.
I recently switched to UG EQ at 300mg/ml & the UG EQ feels like water. There is no way in hell that the stuff is doses properly.
I wouldn't doubt if it still was 50mg/ml & they were relabeling it as 300mg. Fuck I hate UG labs!!!!
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Were you lean at the time? Being lean keeps the HCT down naturally. But unfortunately the vast majority of EQ users are not lean and instead try to use EQ in order to get lean and see vascular improvement instead of just dieting. Having BF% that is higher than norm will certainly lead to EQ raising the HCT.
very. maintained 5% bf for about 9 months.
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c'mon kid. I've read your posts. you're not too far up the ladder from "some dumb teenager" when it comes to AAS. re-read what you typed and think to yourself "do I really know what i'm talking about in this post?" before you hit the "Post" button.
for a child with anemia, the average dose is 2.5-3mg/kg of bodyweight for a minimum of 6 months. 5mg/kg of bodyweight for an adult.
you're comparing healthy bodybuilders weighing 100-150kg's should be deathly afraid of 150mg anadrol? read a textbook or two kid.
You sound like a dumbass who thinks he knows what he's talking about. You post dumb shit. Women take 100mg anavar and its not for men? You ran drol for 6 months at 150mg? Steroids don't raise HCT. Yeah wise guy.
You're either an idiot newb or another one's troll account because you've just registered on here recently. "Kid?" lol ::)
"Very maintained 5% bf for 9 months" rotflmao. Horse shit (wait its equipose related).
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You sound like a dumbass who thinks he knows what he's talking about I don't talk about what I don't know about. i'm not some 21yr old kid 'learning' about steroids on 'getbig'. I was running a pharmacy when you were still drinking Juice Boxes in your school lunch.. You post dumb shit. Women take 100mg anavar and its not for men? You ran drol for 6 months at 150mg? at least Steroids don't raise HCT I have the bloodwork. Yeah wise guy.
You're either an idiot newb or another one's troll account because you've just registered on here recently. "Kid?" lol ::)
"Very maintained 5% bf for 9 months" rotflmao. that in itself shows how ignorant you are when it comes to what's possible.... also tells me you don't know how to eat or diet Horse shit (wait its equipose related).
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Both of you guys are very knowledgeable and I appreciate both your opinions. Chill the fuck out fellas :D
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lol new troll is bad ass whoever you are. That is all. The endless supply of trolls on getbig ::)
(http://happypix.co.in/files/funzug/imgs/misc/young_old_reflections_02.jpg)
Pharmacist ey ;D
Both of you guys are very knowledgeable and I appreciate both your opinions. Chill the fuck out fellas :D
Roid rage /thread
Both oxandrolone and equipose are well known to raise HCT, guy's throwing posts around with 'advice' to get some kids killed. Anadrol did not raise his HCT? Equipose did not raise his HCT? Troll needs to be shot.
http://www.drugs.com/pro/anadrol.html
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lol new troll is bad ass whoever you are. That is all. The endless supply of trolls on getbig ::)
(http://happypix.co.in/files/funzug/imgs/misc/young_old_reflections_02.jpg)
Pharmacist ey ;D
Roid rage /thread
Both oxandrolone and equipose are well known to raise HCT, guy's throwing posts around with 'advice' to get some kids killed. Anadrol did not raise his HCT? Equipose did not raise his HCT? Troll needs to be shot.
http://www.drugs.com/pro/anadrol.html
gonna get some kids killed? keep showing your ignorance.
and I should be shot? well come get it. feel free to pm me for where you can find me. fucking towelhead. when you come to shoot me, do me one last favor, there's this stuff called 'anti-perspiriant/deodorant' they sell now, put some on before you pull the trigger. I don't want the last thing I smell to be some camel-jockey B.O. reaking of onions and Mexican food.
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pharmacist =/= doctor.
Hope that helps.
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Used to love running eq but stopped due to high RBC. My blood work showed very high RBC so doc told me to donate blood. I stopped using eq next blood work showed normal RBC. Iam in Canada so blood work is free so i get it done every 3 months.
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(http://www.vetermex.com/images/medicamentos_farmaceuticos_veterinarios/Catofos%20B9_B12/Boldemax/Boldemax_AP_boldenona.jpg)
Man, those 250ml jugs look so juicy!
Lol just straight up pictures of livestock on the label.
"Farm" grade size bottles! 8)
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Used to love running eq but stopped due to high RBC. My blood work showed very high RBC so doc told me to donate blood. I stopped using eq next blood work showed normal RBC. Iam in Canada so blood work is free so i get it done every 3 months.
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I don't know how anyone could troll on here and give advice that EQ and anadrol (running for six months) do not raise blood values... unless they ran bunk stuff lol
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I don't know how anyone could troll on here and give advice that EQ and anadrol (running for six months) do not raise blood values... unless they ran bunk stuff lol
you call me a gimmick and a troll and call for me to be shot? and now you call my stuff 'bunk'?
i've been doing this a long time. you should stick to reading your quran and debating religion (all while shooting your 1iu gh and 200mg testosterone). leave the performance enhancing drug discussion to those who actually have experience. so unless you have a question, keep your greasy camel-oil hands off the keyboard when reading a steroid board.
and btw, i'm still waiting for your PM.
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When I was in PV this past May there was some pharms down there that carried "Human Grade Equipoise" printed out boldly on the letters of their sign by the front door. It wasn't HG, it was simply the 50mg bottles that they trucked in from central MX.
You can still find the 500ml size bladders of test prop there as well. (Less common in the coastal areas you have to go about way inland for it to start appearing.) 500ml of test prop for $75. And it really is a bladder. A big ass red thing that looks like someone filled up a Whoopee Cushion with water and put a rubber stopper on the end.
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You sound like a dumbass who thinks he knows what he's talking about. You post dumb shit. Women take 100mg anavar and its not for men? You ran drol for 6 months at 150mg? Steroids don't raise HCT. Yeah wise guy.
You're either an idiot newb or another one's troll account because you've just registered on here recently. "Kid?" lol ::)
"Very maintained 5% bf for 9 months" rotflmao. Horse shit (wait its equipose related).
THIS. the guy knows fuck all, absolutely no clue what he's talking about. He's a smartass....
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you call me a gimmick and a troll and call for me to be shot? and now you call my stuff 'bunk'?
i've been doing this a long time. you should stick to reading your quran and debating religion (all while shooting your 1iu gh and 200mg testosterone). leave the performance enhancing drug discussion to those who actually have experience. so unless you have a question, keep your greasy camel-oil hands off the keyboard when reading a steroid board.
and btw, i'm still waiting for your PM.
what experience do you have? where is your massive physique, you look like a gym rat on 500mg sustanon.
famous claims by you
-steroids don't raise rbc count ::)
- igf does everything hgh is supposed to do ::) ::) if that were true why would pros throw their own mother under a bus for pharm grade HGH?
ps There is no legit IGF going around..
You come across as a smartass/guru who thinks he knows shit, when he really doesn't. Quit trying to reinvent the wheel
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what experience do you have? where is your massive physique, you look like a gym rat on 500mg sustanon. what experience? I've spent the past 15years making my living with this stuff. where's my massive physique? it's in 2004 when I retired. I don't have the time, energy, or ambition to eat allllll fucking day anymore #1... and #2, the bigger I am, the less clients I have. I train wealthy people... old people. I don't worry about bums like yourself dirt-baggin me for 1/2 their training bill because your car broke down and you need a radiator. I stay lean and marketable. your opinion of me means jack shit compared to me paying my bills and putting my kids in a good college.
famous claims by you
-steroids don't raise rbc count ::) mine weren't elevated. show me your bloodwork. oh, you don't have any? you're just repeating what you read on the internet? ::)
- igf does everything hgh is supposed to do ::) ::) if that were true why would pros throw their own mother under a bus for pharm grade HGH? i'd throw my own mother under a bus for serostim as well... but i'm not paying for it.ps There is no legit IGF going around.. around where
You come across as a smartass/guru who thinks he knows shit, when he really doesn't. Quit trying to reinvent the wheel
so, feel free to send me a PM if you ever want to sort things out. i'd be happy to hear your opinion of me face to face.
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Looking into this very closely....what do you guys think?
My blood is thick enough.
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so, feel free to send me a PM if you ever want to sort things out. i'd be happy to hear your opinion of me face to face.
you are a fucking idiot. Guys disregard everything this person says.....
steroids dont raise your rbc count ::)
jesus christ.
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you are a fucking idiot. Guys disregard everything this person says.....
steroids dont raise your rbc count ::)
jesus christ.
not to the extent you gotta donate fucking blood.
once again. bro-fucking-science endlessly perpetuated on internet msg boards.
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My RBC is elevated enough that I have a script for an ALYX donation once a month to take me to high/normal
Didn't happen until I started HRT
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man, just because you use fakes and underdosed doesnt mean your erepresentative.
read along, very often ppl on hrt doses!!! who actually visit their docs have severly increased rbc and are adviced to donate blood.
if your rbc isnt clearly higher than nromal on 500mgs, thens oemthings wrong with the gear.
Quit spouting bullshit you fucking liar. Everyone should have bp issues on 500 mg+? Are you kidding me? Maybe you do judging by your sickly red skin but I have no bp issues on way more than that as long as I use an AI to control estrogen. And I guarantee my private gear is as close to pharma as you get. Tests were done on my source(s) and most of the gear was slightly overdosed
Yet you preach that AI's are evil. Youre deliberately misleading ppl and its starting to show more and more as you keep referencing your "book". You probably dont need ais bc you abuse the fuck out of tren and masteron and then claim its all diet.
Sometimes I think we need gh15 back here to shut down liars like you.
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Quit spouting bullshit you fucking liar. Everyone should have bp issues on 500 mg+? Are you kidding me? Maybe you do judging by your sickly red skin but I have no bp issues on way more than that as long as I use an AI to control estrogen. And I guarantee my private gear is as close to pharma as you get. Tests were done on my source(s) and most of the gear was slightly overdosed
Yet you preach that AI's are evil. Youre deliberately misleading ppl and its starting to show more and more as you keep referencing your "book". You probably dont need ais bc you abuse the fuck out of tren and masteron and then claim its all diet.
Sometimes I think we need gh15 back here to shut down liars like you.
listen did gh15 send you here to stand for the truth? Im flinstones guy, shit wont fly with me here. As long as Im banned from that sight, and until he fires that fucking mod neil, Any guys he tries to send here will be shut up by me.
dont make me own you, son...
warning.
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man, just because you use fakes and underdosed doesnt mean your erepresentative.
read along, very often ppl on hrt doses!!! who actually visit their docs have severly increased rbc and are adviced to donate blood.
if your rbc isnt clearly higher than nromal on 500mgs, thens oemthings wrong with the gear.
fake gear? bwhaha.. explain guys making gains using the same drol (and NOTHING else, against my wishes.. believe me I try to get'em to use test as well) and underdosed? lol unless i'm underdosing it myself. holy fuck you're a idiot. this is what the internet has done to the 'steroid underground'... people like you. ast/alt/bile was elevated, but rbc/htc? nah. (no jaundice either, or high blood pressure)... 'fake or underdosed gear'.. bwahahahahaha... because when you go around talking about things like that you little homo.
you have ABOSOLUTE SHIT for personal experience and do NOTHING more than repeat what you read on message boards.
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Holy shit there is a lot of emotion behind this thread on the basics of equipoise.
I'm still unsure of my opinion on donating blood however. Especially since my dosages will be >400mg a week of EQ and >400mg a week of test E.
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I'm not trying to add fuel to the fire, but I just had bloodwork done and have been on test P at at least 700mg for a very long time and EQ at 900mg for over a month and my rbc was in normal range, as was estradiol no AIs were used. Granted I'm debating the quality of the current gear I'm on so to take that for what it's worth.
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fake gear? bwhaha.. explain guys making gains using the same drol (and NOTHING else, against my wishes.. believe me I try to get'em to use test as well) and underdosed? lol unless i'm underdosing it myself. holy fuck you're a idiot. this is what the internet has done to the 'steroid underground'... people like you. ast/alt/bile was elevated, but rbc/htc? nah. (no jaundice either, or high blood pressure)... 'fake or underdosed gear'.. bwahahahahaha... because when you go around talking about things like that you little homo.
you have ABOSOLUTE SHIT for personal experience and do NOTHING more than repeat what you read on message boards.
where the fuck are your pictures at 260 in contest shape big guy
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listen did gh15 send you here to stand for the truth? Im flinstones guy, shit wont fly with me here. As long as Im banned from that sight, and until he fires that fucking mod neil, Any guys he tries to send here will be shut up by me.
dont make me own you, son...
warning.
Fucking lol you blow up doll phag. You couldnt own me if you tried muthafucker.
You were banned from his site? Thats funny because I recall you being one of his prime elves while he was here. Gh15 didnt "send" me, I dont even know why the thought of being sent would cross your putrified middle school brain. You didnt even address the content of my post and its validity but rather come in with some bullshit tough guy threat.
The gh15 comment was a jest in the means of reminding up and comers that there are people who just straight up lie and deceive for reasons I cant fully conprehend myself; other than maybe that they are just egotistical narcisistic losers.
One of galeneekos main themes is preaching trt doses and hardcore dieting...reminds me of boards like steroid dot com
Fuck off you little punk.
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Fucking lol you blow up doll phag. You couldnt own me if you tried muthafucker.
You were banned from his site? Thats funny because I recall you being one of his prime elves while he was here. Gh15 didnt "send" me, I dont even know why the thought of being sent would cross your putrified middle school brain. You didnt even address the content of my post and its validity but rather come in with some bullshit tough guy threat.
The gh15 comment was a jest in the means of reminding up and comers that there are people who just straight up lie and deceive for reasons I cant fully conprehend myself; other than maybe that they are just egotistical narcisistic losers.
One of galeneekos main themes is preaching trt doses and hardcore dieting...reminds me of boards like steroid dot com
Fuck off you little punk.
You have some good points bro, but question: what is wrong with low doses and hard dieting if the goal is to look like Gal or No One?? These guys aren't saying you can turn pro off of their diet, just have a good shredded beach bod...not my cup of tea, but still their program works and they look great (for the look they're going for)
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It's safe to assert when administering high doses of gear, it would be a wise move to get blood work done every 3-4months if you can.
Some have more tolerance to drugs than others, but nonetheless, drugs will affect you.
...on a side note, one thing i learned since i started AAS, it's best to try things out for yourself and arrive at your own conclusions.
Reading forums and asking experienced members is a definite positive, but even then , without personal experience, it's meaningless.
...and personal experience is uniquely individual, that's why you get opposing viewpoints, like in this thread.
I also noticed that a good portion of veteran forum members lie through their teeth.
They would be dishing out insults and giving you advice they themselves heaven't followed in years, if ever.
So take what you read with a gigantic grain of salt.
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Fucking lol you blow up doll phag. You couldnt own me if you tried muthafucker.
You were banned from his site? Thats funny because I recall you being one of his prime elves while he was here. Gh15 didnt "send" me, I dont even know why the thought of being sent would cross your putrified middle school brain. You didnt even address the content of my post and its validity but rather come in with some bullshit tough guy threat.
The gh15 comment was a jest in the means of reminding up and comers that there are people who just straight up lie and deceive for reasons I cant fully conprehend myself; other than maybe that they are just egotistical narcisistic losers.
One of galeneekos main themes is preaching trt doses and hardcore dieting...reminds me of boards like steroid dot com
Fuck off you little punk.
gh15 didn't ban me one of his mods banned me for reasons completely unrelated to bbing or knowledge. They said i was racist...
as for a blow up doll? I dont even use insulin.
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Fucking lol you blow up doll phag. You couldnt own me if you tried muthafucker.
You were banned from his site? Thats funny because I recall you being one of his prime elves while he was here. Gh15 didnt "send" me, I dont even know why the thought of being sent would cross your putrified middle school brain. You didnt even address the content of my post and its validity but rather come in with some bullshit tough guy threat.
The gh15 comment was a jest in the means of reminding up and comers that there are people who just straight up lie and deceive for reasons I cant fully conprehend myself; other than maybe that they are just egotistical narcisistic losers.
One of galeneekos main themes is preaching trt doses and hardcore dieting...reminds me of boards like steroid dot com
Fuck off you little punk.
Gal looks big because he's ripped. What he has achieved can be done with TRT doses (250mg/wk in his case).
Don't forget he has been training for years and muscle memory is not some Santa Claus fairy tale.
I know GH15 loves to make fun of Gal, so maybe you're regurgitating GH15's semen out your mouth like a typical brainwashed sheep.
or i could be wrong, who knows. lol ;D
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It's safe to assert when administering high doses of gear, it would be a wise move to get blood work done every 3-4months if you can.
Some have more tolerance to drugs than others, but nonetheless, drugs will affect you.
...on a side note, one thing i learned since i started AAS, it's best to try things out for yourself and arrive at your own conclusions.
Reading forums and asking experienced members is a definite positive, but even then , without personal experience, it's meaningless.
...and personal experience is uniquely individual, that's why you get opposing viewpoints, like in this thread.
I also noticed that a good portion of veteran forum members lie through their teeth.
They would be dishing out insults and giving you advice they themselves heaven't followed in years, if ever.
So take what you read with a gigantic grain of salt.
Excellent post bro. I'm newer to this stuff, so this is good advice.
That's fucked up about the veteran members Lying though :(
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Lol so these are gh15 trolls? Fascinating :P So where's ESFitness' 260lbs competition pix?
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It's safe to assert when administering high doses of gear, it would be a wise move to get blood work done every 3-4months if you can.
Some have more tolerance to drugs than others, but nonetheless, drugs will affect you.
...on a side note, one thing i learned since i started AAS, it's best to try things out for yourself and arrive at your own conclusions.
Reading forums and asking experienced members is a definite positive, but even then , without personal experience, it's meaningless.
...and personal experience is uniquely individual, that's why you get opposing viewpoints, like in this thread.
I also noticed that a good portion of veteran forum members lie through their teeth.
They would be dishing out insults and giving you advice they themselves heaven't followed in years, if ever.
So take what you read with a gigantic grain of salt.
this x2.
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Lol so these are gh15 trolls? Fascinating :P So where's ESFitness' 260lbs competition pix?
with some of the things I write on here, you really think i'm gonna identify myself? you really are a dunce.
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with some of the things I write on here, you really think i'm gonna identify myself? you really are a dunce.
pm me the pics, block your face out. I am a man of my word....will not share them with anyone. prove to me its the real you and you have my respect and i will apologize to you publicly.
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You have some good points bro, but question: what is wrong with low doses and hard dieting if the goal is to look like Gal or No One?? These guys aren't saying you can turn pro off of their diet, just have a good shredded beach bod...not my cup of tea, but still their program works and they look great (for the look they're going for)
Low doses is a relative term. So relative its almost better not to even use the word. Height also comes into play. Gal is extremely short so of course he doesnt have to use as much as a tall guy to look big because he doesnt have as much muscle to fill out. What im getting at is his whole, "you never need more than a gram to look like this etc etc is bullshit.
How the fuck would he know what someone needs? He's so quick to give people diet advice but when asked about roids hes the first to jump on the low dose bandwagon.
People have to try for themselves, but you cant stay at galineekos weight and bodyfat with muscularity while barely eating shit unless youre on enough drugs. To find out what is enough is up to you.
You think he just picked a dosage for a few compounds and stayed on it for years, putting in the time like a good ol boy as he likes to preach here?
This isnt an all drugs debate, im saying that to look like gal you have to take much more than what he says in all of his posts
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pm me the pics, block your face out. I am a man of my word....will not share them with anyone. prove to me its the real you and you have my respect and i will apologize to you publicly.
lol. so what? I don't care for your respect or apology. This place is nothing more than a distraction.. something to pass some time and amuse me. I don't get clients here, of any sort. I really don't give two shits about anything you have to say.
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lol. so what? I don't care for your respect or apology. This place is nothing more than a distraction.. something to pass some time and amuse me. I don't get clients here, of any sort. I really don't give two shits about anything you have to say.
if its such a distraction than shut the fuck up.....you talk to me about respect? haha bitch...im giving you a chance for all our respect, right now...
AND UNTIL YOU FUCKING PUT UP YOU CAN SHUT UP.
confirm its you and i will 100% vouche for you....until then, dont expect anyone to respond to your posts bbing related Im sorry bro this is the online game and thats how it works...you have to prove yourself. IF you gotta problem with it then you can start your own forum..gh15 can help you with that
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if its such a distraction than shut the fuck up.....you talk to me about respect? haha bitch...im giving you a chance for all our respect, right now...
AND UNTIL YOU FUCKING PUT UP YOU CAN SHUT UP.
confirm its you and i will 100% vouche for you....until then, dont expect anyone to respond to your posts bbing related Im sorry bro this is the online game and thats how it works...you have to prove yourself. IF you gotta problem with it then you can start your own forum..gh15 can help you with that
you're a 20yr old kid, on the internet.
i'm a grown man with a lifetime of experiences you'd be lucky to make it though.
you mean zero.
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you're a 20yr old kid, on the internet.
i'm a grown man with a lifetime of experiences you'd be lucky to make it though.
you mean zero.
your a nameless, faceless, coward
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You guys need to act right.
This isn't the G&O board.
No personal attacks, keep it to PM's if you want to have a pissing match. This isn't the place for it.
Bottom line is everyone responds differently to drugs and none of what we are discussing is a proven fact. I've had bloodwork done on 2g's of AAS and all of my values were in normal range. I know guys who have had terrible blood panels done on 500mg a week. Everyone is different.
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Excellent post bro. I'm newer to this stuff, so this is good advice.
That's fucked up about the veteran members Lying though :(
expecting a bodybuilder or gym rat to tell the truth about his actual doses is as naïve as expecting your date to tell you how many dicks she's had in her.
something about this subculture just encourages liars, not really sure why. Anyway, test at 200-250 shouldn't spike RBC too badly, nothing monthly donation cant fix.
EQ I don't like, much too weak and if you want something non aromatizing 'cutting' (LOL) drug use tren, winny, higher dose masteron etc imo. Hate EQ in high doses and it sucks in low doses
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expecting a bodybuilder or gym rat to tell the truth about his actual doses is as naïve as expecting your date to tell you how many dicks she's had in her.
something about this subculture just encourages liars, not really sure why. Anyway, test at 200-250 shouldn't spike RBC too badly, nothing monthly donation cant fix.
EQ I don't like, much too weak and if you want something non aromatizing 'cutting' (LOL) drug use tren, winny, higher dose masteron etc imo. Hate EQ in high doses and it sucks in low doses
Curious what do you have about it at high doses. I've given it it a go twice, and I got to say not a fan, getting off of it as we speak
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expecting a bodybuilder or gym rat to tell the truth about his actual doses is as naïve as expecting your date to tell you how many dicks she's had in her.
something about this subculture just encourages liars, not really sure why. Anyway, test at 200-250 shouldn't spike RBC too badly, nothing monthly donation cant fix.
EQ I don't like, much too weak and if you want something non aromatizing 'cutting' (LOL) drug use tren, winny, higher dose masteron etc imo. Hate EQ in high doses and it sucks in low doses
Thanks bro
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expecting a bodybuilder or gym rat to tell the truth about his actual doses is as naïve as expecting your date to tell you how many dicks she's had in her.
something about this subculture just encourages liars, not really sure why. Anyway, test at 200-250 shouldn't spike RBC too badly, nothing monthly donation cant fix.
EQ I don't like, much too weak and if you want something non aromatizing 'cutting' (LOL) drug use tren, winny, higher dose masteron etc imo. Hate EQ in high doses and it sucks in low doses
blahblahblah. tell that to vic richards.....
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blahblahblah. tell that to vic richards.....
What do you mean?
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You guys need to act right.
This isn't the G&O board.
No personal attacks, keep it to PM's if you want to have a pissing match. This isn't the place for it.
Bottom line is everyone responds differently to drugs and none of what we are discussing is a proven fact. I've had bloodwork done on 2g's of AAS and all of my values were in normal range. I know guys who have had terrible blood panels done on 500mg a week. Everyone is different.
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Amen brother, guys stay on topic :)
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What do you mean?
disgusted said vic mentioned that his favorite compound was eq ...nd that he based all his cycles around it
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disgusted said vic mentioned that his favorite compound was eq ...nd that he based all his cycles around it
Wow interesting.