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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: tonymctones on July 28, 2013, 09:41:48 AM
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http://www.uschambersmallbusinessnation.com/community/q2-2013-small-business-survey
"The U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s latest quarterly small business survey finds that Washington policies continue to hamper hiring and growth, with over a quarter of small businesses saying they have lost employees in the last year."
Key Findings
Health Care Law is Top Concern
•Concern about Obamacare has increased by 10-points since June 2011 and by 4 points since last quarter.
•71% of small businesses say the health care law makes it harder to hire.
•Only 30% say they are prepared for the requirements of the law, including participation in the marketplaces.
•Among small businesses that will be impacted by the employer mandate, one-half of small businesses say that they will either cut hours to reduce full time employees OR replace full time employees with part-time workers to avoid the mandate. 24% say they will reduce hiring to stay under 50 employees.
I guess now that we have "passed the bill to find out whats in it" we can talk about nullifying to to prevent what we now know?
how do all the supporters of this bill feel about it now?
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Outlook for Hiring Remains Grim
•77% continue to think the U.S. economy is on the wrong track. However, small businesses are more optimistic about their local economy and individual business.
•The majority (61%) of small businesses do not have plans to hire next year.
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Small Businesses Looking for Legislative Solutions, Not More Regulation
•Concerns about regulation have increased significantly from 35% last quarter to 42% now.
•Small businesses are looking for leadership on issues that will remove barriers and encourage growth. •88% of all small businesses support addressing entitlement spending to resolve America’s growing financial challenges and escalating debt.
•83% support Congressional efforts to reform the tax code—with the majority focusing on making it less complex.
•81% of small businesses surveyed believe the immigration system is broken and needs to be reformed.
•In contrast to the President’s recent speech pushing new energy regulations, 90% of small businesses support easing EPA regulations and opening up more federal lands for drilling.
•The only thing that scares small businesses more than what Washington has already done (23%) is what the federal government will do next (63%). 78% of small businesses are concerned about the prospect of Nancy Pelosi regaining her speakership following the 2014 elections.
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but I guess since a far left think tank says everything is all roses this information is not important, right?
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but I guess since a far left think tank says everything is all roses this information is not important, right?
:D
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oh come on now, none of you fundy liberals want to touch this?
you guys were all for this bill, parroting nut case pelosi "we have to pass it, to see whats in it"
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/100921864
How fucked up is this?
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In this case the ideology and the insurance companies both worked together.
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To be completely open and honest since the passage (start of implementation) of Obama care....my office is actively exploring insurance options we can sell and market.....we are not in the insurance market, but it looks like we soon will be.
I personally think OC is a pos....most smart company will fracture and segment their business structure...one company of 100 now 3 companies at 33...ect.
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To be completely open and honest since the passage (start of implementation) of Obama care....my office is actively exploring insurance options we can sell and market.....we are not in the insurance market, but it looks like we soon will be.
I personally think OC is a pos....most smart company will fracture and segment their business structure...one company of 100 now 3 companies at 33...ect.
I dont know enough about the ins and outs of obamacare these days to know if that will work. If the companies are subsidaries of a larger company whether or not that works etc.
I dont know if I see many companies doing that just from the stand point of having to keep track of multiple sets of books, not being able to take advantage of tax implications of the different businesses etc. Stricly from an accounting/tax stand point it doesnt seem to practical but then again who knows how high the costs of staying together and conforming to the economy killing bill would be.
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nobody still?
I mean this board had no shortage of supporters before this bill passed
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but I guess since a far left think tank says everything is all roses this information is not important, right?
So, what, a right-wing lobbying group is somehow more reliable than a left-wing thinktank? ::)
Same ol' retardo.
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So, what, a right-wing lobbying group is somehow more reliable than a left-wing thinktank? ::)
Same ol' retardo.
lol the US Chamber of Commerce is a right wing lobby group?
hahaha only in the mind of a delusional liberal...come on albert, you supported this bill didnt you?
do you still support it inspite of the obvious negative impact it has had on the economy?
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lol the US Chamber of Commerce is a right wing lobby group?
What do you think the US Chamber of Commerce is?
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What do you think the US Chamber of Commerce is?
not a right wing lobby group
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not a right wing lobby group
Then what is it?
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I know you think it is a government office like the GAO or something, but as you are easily fooled and rarely bother to become informed on any subject you spout off on, you failed to grasp the fact that the Chamber of Commerce is just a lobbying group. That's all they are, that's all they claim to be.
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per their website "The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is the world’s largest business organization representing the interests of more than 3 million businesses of all sizes, sectors, and regions. Our members range from mom-and-pop shops and local chambers to leading industry associations and large corporations. They all share one thing in common—they count on the Chamber to be their voice in Washington, D.C."
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I know you think it is a government office like the GAO or something, but as you are easily fooled and rarely bother to become informed on any subject you spout off on, you failed to grasp the fact that the Chamber of Commerce is just a lobbying group. That's all they are, that's all they claim to be.
I never said it wasnt a lobby group brainchild, and who is rarely informed?
I said it wasnt a right wing lobby group....unless being pro business make you right wing?
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I never said it wasnt a lobby group brainchild, and who is rarely informed?
I said it wasnt a right wing lobby group....unless being pro business make you right wing?
Straight up idiocy ::)
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Straight up idiocy ::)
great rebuttle....::)
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great rebuttle....::)
Rebuttal. It's spelled rebuttal.
Completely misunderstood the source information in his opening post?CHECK.
Backtracked midway through the thread? CHECK.
Misspelled grammar school-level word? CHECK.
A trademark Tony McTones' thread.
The only thing missing is you bragging about how your university of phoenix degree gives you some special insight into the matter.
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Georgia commissiner on now sayong Obamacare to spike costs 100 percent in a lot of cases.
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Georgia commissiner on now sayong Obamacare to spike costs 100 percent in a lot of cases.
funny, I recently read on Bloomberg that the exchanges in NYC were going to drop the premiums for losers like you by 50% or more
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Liberals didn't pass Obamacare. Insurance companies did.
Do u seriously think ideology means anything in Washington D.C? Just like pro wrestling, politics is "worked" to get people like u all excited.
Mmmm, last I heard, it was passed with a no republican vote while on recess even though the majority of the American people didn't want it. Where the fuck do you thing the term "they rammed down our throats" came from. It sure wasn't Lewinski saying that. The majority of Americans STILL don't want it......and oh, BTW, Obama and his cohorts are exempt from it.
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funny, I recently read on Bloomberg that the exchanges in NYC were going to drop the premiums for losers like you by 50% or more
Funny, I just read in Florida it's going to rise 40%. Face it, your boy is an unqualified idiot.
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Rebuttal. It's spelled rebuttal.
Completely misunderstood the source information in his opening post?CHECK.
Backtracked midway through the thread? CHECK.
Misspelled grammar school-level word? CHECK.
A trademark Tony McTones' thread.
The only thing missing is you bragging about how your university of phoenix degree gives you some special insight into the matter.
brahahahahahahahahaha
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Rebuttal. It's spelled rebuttal.
Completely misunderstood the source information in his opening post?CHECK.
Backtracked midway through the thread? CHECK.
Misspelled grammar school-level word? CHECK.
A trademark Tony McTones' thread.
The only thing missing is you bragging about how your university of phoenix degree gives you some special insight into the matter.
haha oh nossss the grammar police!!!
still no response to the overwhelming evidence that obamacare is hindering the economy?
what exactly did i misunderstand about the source info?
where did I backtrack again?
so lets recap
avoiding the issue at hand? Check
attacking the poster instead of addressing the topic? Check?
making up statements to support their stance? CHECK?
I would say this is typical of a albert response but truth be told its typical of a much broader group...the fundy libtard as evidenced by the ones who have posted in this thread and not one of you morons have addressed the facts that obamacare is obviously hindering economic growth.
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haha oh nossss the grammar police!!!
No, not the grammar police. Just pointing out your habit of misspelling the simplest of words. It plays to the larger point of your underpowered intelllect.
still no response to the overwhelming evidence that obamacare is hindering the economy?
what exactly did i misunderstand about the source info?
where did I backtrack again?
so lets recap
Your "evidence" is a survey of members of a political lobby that has actively and vigorously opposed Obamacare. That's not fucking evidence of anything! You saw some article about how the US Chamber of Commerce had a negative outlook on Obamacare and rushed to start a thread on it, having no fucking idea what the CoC was , as shown in your opening post when you imply that this survey is somehow politically unbiased ::). It's typical you:ignorant, uninformed and a bad speller.
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No, not the grammar police. Just pointing out your habit of misspelling the simplest of words. It plays to the larger point of your underpowered intelllect.
Your "evidence" is a survey of members of a political lobby that has actively and vigorously opposed Obamacare. That's not fucking evidence of anything! You saw some article about how the US Chamber of Commerce had a negative outlook on Obamacare and rushed to start a thread on it, having no fucking idea what the CoC was , as shown in your opening post when you imply that this survey is somehow politically unbiased ::). It's typical you:ignorant, uninformed and a bad speller.
lol the answer speak for themselves, they are the answers from business owners albert...
do you really feel that obamacare has not hindered economic growth?
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lol the answer speak for themselves, they are the answers from business owners albert...
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do you really feel that obamacare has not hindered economic growth?
This is debatable. Definitely not to the degree your "evidence" purports.
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This is debatable. Definitely not to the degree your "evidence" purports.
rolling your eyes...brilliant point...
and what proof do you have to bolster your opinion that the survey is inaccurate?
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http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2013/07/31/obamacare-increases-part-timers-at-schools-local-governments
Here you go - more evidence of what a disaster this is
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Obama Care negatively impacts small business and is a net drain on the economy....as it produces (service) nothing to add to GDP and takes away resources from companies. A perpetual and boundless drain on the productive in our society.
To even debate this is useless and would only waste keystrokes....unless you're a civil servant in which case waste is all you produce.
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rolling your eyes...brilliant point...
Why am I not surprised that you would find a smiley face a brilliant response? I guess compared to most of the drivel you churn out, it does look that way.
and what proof do you have to bolster your opinion that the survey is inaccurate?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/a-misleading-obamacare-poll-courtesy-of-the-chamber-of-commerce-and-harris-interactive/2013/07/30/26e5f51c-f94a-11e2-8e84-c56731a202fb_blog.html
A misleading ‘Obamacare’ poll, courtesy of the Chamber of Commerce and Harris Interactive
Cliffs:
Here, the polling company, Harris Interactive, and the sponsor, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, presented the data in a highly misleading way — and then made false claims about the type of poll that had been conducted.
So, basically, they conducted a poll to get a specific result, then lied about the legitimacy of the poll.
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Funny, I just read in Florida it's going to rise 40%. Face it, your boy is an unqualified idiot.
my boy?
let's ignore that for the moment
Florida premiums are going up because the Republican controlled state has not implemented the exchanges in any significant way
isn't that the part of what's being reported that you forgot to mention (or more likely didn't know)?
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/314443-florida-says-premiums-will-rise-30-40-under-obamacare
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Health Premiums Up $3,065; Obama Vowed $2,500 Cut [promised to do so by end of first term]
yahoo.com/Investor's Business Daily ^ | September 24, 2012
Posted on August 2, 2013 2:41:40 AM EDT by grundle
During his first run for president, Barack Obama made one very specific promise to voters: He would cut health insurance premiums for families by $2,500, and do so in his first term.
But it turns out that family premiums have increased by more than $3,000 since Obama's vow, according to the latest annual Kaiser Family Foundation employee health benefits survey.
Premiums for employer-provided family coverage rose $3,065 — 24% — from 2008 to 2012, the Kaiser survey found. Even if you start counting in 2009, premiums have climbed $2,370.
What's more, premiums climbed faster in Obama's four years than they did in the previous four under President Bush, the survey data show.
There's no question about what Obama was promising the country, since he repeated it constantly during his 2008 campaign.
In a debate with Sen. John McCain, for example, Obama said "the only thing we're going to try to do is lower costs so that those cost savings are passed onto you. And we estimate we can cut the average family's premium by about $2,500 per year.
At a campaign stop in Columbus, Ohio, in February 2008, Obama promised that "We are going to work with you to lower your premiums by $2,500. We will not wait 20 years from now to do it, or 10 years from now to do it. We will do it by the end of my first term as president."
(Excerpt) Read more at finance.yahoo.com ...
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Why am I not surprised that you would find a smiley face a brilliant response? I guess compared to most of the drivel you churn out, it does look that way.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/a-misleading-obamacare-poll-courtesy-of-the-chamber-of-commerce-and-harris-interactive/2013/07/30/26e5f51c-f94a-11e2-8e84-c56731a202fb_blog.html
A misleading ‘Obamacare’ poll, courtesy of the Chamber of Commerce and Harris Interactive
Cliffs:
Here, the polling company, Harris Interactive, and the sponsor, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, presented the data in a highly misleading way — and then made false claims about the type of poll that had been conducted.
So, basically, they conducted a poll to get a specific result, then lied about the legitimacy of the poll.
So when asked what you had to believe the data was misleading you post a quote from someone saying the same thing?
Give me the points there Albert
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http://savannahnow.com/opinion/2013-08-01/obamacare-georgia-sticker-shock#.UfukEz7D_IU
Yeah - no impact whatsoever. ::) ::)
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So when asked what you had to believe the data was misleading you post a quote from someone saying the same thing?
Give me the points there Albert
No, dunderhead. I posted a link to an article detailing exactly how the survey was skewed. As the article is long, and I knew it would therefore be difficult for you to comprehend, I pulled the quote that was most relevant to your question (in red). The line following that (in black) is a quick summary of the article. If you care for more detail, the text highlighted in blue is called a hyperlink. Most people are familiar with them, but I I guess I have to explain how they work to you: click on hyperlink to go to story.
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No, dunderhead. I posted a link to an article detailing exactly how the survey was skewed. As the article is long, and I knew it would therefore be difficult for you to comprehend, I pulled the quote that was most relevant to your question (in red). The line following that (in black) is a quick summary of the article. If you care for more detail, the text highlighted in blue is called a hyperlink. Most people are familiar with them, but I I guess I have to explain how they work to you: click on hyperlink to go to story.
Why did Obama delay the Employer Mandate for a year again?
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http://news.investors.com/politics/080213-666235-cheap-obamacare-twice-as-costly-as-existing-plans.htm