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As with many professional organisations, if one possesses a criminal record they are not permitted membership.
Should the same standard apply to the IFBB ? -Discuss.
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Lol, I thought you had one foot out the door?
Should those with criminal records be allowed to hold office in the IFBB?
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Does Victor still post here?
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As with many professional organisations, if one possesses a criminal record they are not permitted membership.
Should the same standard apply to the IFBB ? -Discuss.
One of the worst gimmicks ever.
Fuck every Mod that lets this shit continue.
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The strength of an organisation is built around honesty and integrity.
Hence, in my personal view, criminal record checks should be made mandatory for those seeking a Pro Card.
Discuss.
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A sport where being the best involves how consistently you lift weights and how many illegal drugs you inject, and you're worried about criminal records?
Derpity derp derp.
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As with many professional organisations, if one possesses a criminal record they are not permitted membership.
Should the same standard apply to the IFBB ? -Discuss.
you're still here?
why wouldn't they be allowed a membership?
you can be a Nurse, Doctor, CPA, Stock Broker, Financial Advisor, Mortgage Broker, Real Estate Agent, Real Estate Broker, ect.... with a criminal record. So, it's FAR from a 'standard'.
And, the IFBB was/is built on possession, distribution, and use of controlled substances.
98% of the IFBB is at risk of being charged at any given time with possession, possession with intent, distribution, inter-state transport, or manufacturing of any number of drugs from steroids, to pain killers, to amphetamines, to non-scheduled aux drugs.
and the organization makes money from members paying yearly dues. ban the member, and you lose his yearly dues.
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Caro has reached celebrity status...
nothing else matters now that you have the whole board's attention ~ lol
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I believe that organisations should never remain static.
Having good governance, checks and balances only enhances an organisation.
The IFBB should always be striving to evolve for the better -and making it mandatory to conduct 'criminal record checks' may be a positive move forward?
Discuss.
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I believe that organisations should never remain static.
Having good governance, checks and balances only enhances an organisation.
The IFBB should always be striving to evolve for the better -and making it mandatory to conduct 'criminal record checks' may be a positive move forward?
Discuss.
No. You sound like a gay, and not the cool, respectable gays like OMR. You sound like a complete fgt.
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The strength of an organisation is built around honesty and integrity.
Hence, in my personal view, criminal record checks should be made mandatory for those seeking a Pro Card.
Discuss.
We have a big problem in Australia. The guy handing out pro cards has a criminal record. What do you suggest then?
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I have never been a defender of the status quo. Organisations like the IFBB should continue to strive for positive change.
Criminal checks would only be a step forward...right?
Discuss.
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I have never been a defender of the status quo. Organisations like the IFBB should continue to strive for positive change.
Criminal checks would only be a step forward...right?
Discuss.
Wrong.
BB = sport built around its "athletes" engaging in criminal activity. Your entire premise is retarded.
Why am I even replying to this fucking troll.
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We have a big problem in Australia. The guy handing out pro cards has a criminal record. What do you suggest then?
Vince I am in charge of Pro cards and I do not have a criminal record.
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I believe that organisations should never remain static.
Having good governance, checks and balances only enhances an organisation.
The IFBB should always be striving to evolve for the better -and making it mandatory to conduct 'criminal record checks' may be a positive move forward?
Discuss.
well, do you consider that ppl who run the fucking organization might have criminal records?
if you don't like it, join the IFPA or WBFF or whatever.
one things for sure, since you're not allowed to live within 500 feet of a public park, the ifbb should be the least of your concerns. (thank you Megan's law)
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Vince I am in charge of Pro cards and I do not have a criminal record.
Tony, you are one of the good guys. Was referring to the guy in Sydney who is mates with Arnold.
I was at a contest there when he handed out Luke Wood's pro card.
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Tony, you are one of the good guys. Was referring to the guy in Sydney who is mates with Arnold.
I was at a contest there when he handed out Luke Wood's pro card.
Vince, that all changed a few years ago when Jim Manion appointed me as Pro rep for Australia. Now we have a pro qualifier every year with FitX.
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well, do you consider that ppl who run the fucking organization might have criminal records?
if you don't like it, join the IFPA or WBFF or whatever.
one things for sure, since you're not allowed to live within 500 feet of a public park, the ifbb should be the least of your concerns. (thank you Megan's law)
Wooow :o, link?
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Do Pros with criminal records bring the sport into ill repute?
It is my belief that, a discredited individual does effect the integrity of any organisation (eg) It brings to the fore issues of trust/lack of etc.
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Vince, that all changed a few years ago when Jim Manion appointed me as Pro rep for Australia. Now we have a pro qualifier every year with FitX.
What, no election for the position? How did Paul feel about this? Jim made a good decision, I think.
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Bah! Doom disapproves!
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What, no election for the position? How did Paul feel about this? Jim made a good decision, I think.
Except for the fact you all but called Tony a criminal. Open mouth insert foot.
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Bah! Doom disapproves!
That dude beat me by ONE point and I was told should have taken at least 3rd. he took 5th. Dude was big and vascular but built like shit.
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The strength of an organisation is built around honesty and integrity.
Hence, in my personal view, criminal record checks should be made mandatory for those seeking a Pro Card.
Discuss.
Yes, while 100% of the pros use illegal substances.
By your logic, every pro would not be allowed to compete in the IFBB.
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We all know about the Victor Martinez debacle? I will not go there.
At the end of the day, i believe people should be given opportunities to demonstrate they have changed. But that is not the point of this discussion. I am trying to make an argument re. 'organisational integrity'
For example, what if a Pro was found guilty of murder or a perverted sexual crime -should they be allowed to compete once they have done time?
Please discuss.
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Maybe the real Mr Olympia is a resident in a federal prison somewhere?
Organizations have to make rules about conduct. The trouble is the IFBB has fabulous rules, more or less, but many are never enforced.
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hey caro you big bitch your 15 minutes are up and you are out of here, I see you are avoiding the other thread, the one where you are being owned, an ownage of v-board proportion. :'(
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Rules and regulations are the corner stones of any organisation.
A modern society would descend into ultimate anarchy if it were not for laws of governance.
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Caro what do you think about the other thread asking members to vote on if you stay or go?
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Organisations must move with times.
As is the case with many government and private enterprise positions, in order to successfully qualify for that position, one must have a clean criminal records history.
Can't be a bad thing?
Discuss.
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Bah! Doom disapproves!
Lol wtf?!?! Never thought I'd see this on stage, this is nuts
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We all know about the Victor Martinez debacle? I will not go there.
At the end of the day, i believe people should be given opportunities to demonstrate they have changed. But that is not the point of this discussion. I am trying to make an argument re. 'organisational integrity'
For example, what if a Pro was found guilty of murder or a perverted sexual crime -should they be allowed to compete once they have done time?
Please discuss.
is there another kind?
if a pro was found guilty of a sex crime, I think the last thing he should be worrying about is his status in the IFBB.
Pedophile's a pedophile, right Caro? Did you graduate STOP class yet?
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Lol wtf?!?! Never thought I'd see this on stage, this is nuts
Check the line up, second from the right. Torn chest, torn triceps, ankle monitor :-\
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maybe better to follow Italys lead ala Berlusconi and exclude only those who are actually incarcerated.
hi hank! :D
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There are many levels of criminality.
That being said, an organisation must have a standard -at what point should an organisation like the IFBB say to a convicted felon your crime falls into a category that is unacceptable?
Discuss.
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let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
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We have a big problem in Australia. The guy handing out pro cards has a criminal record. What do you suggest then?
You a obviously so jealous of Paul Graham & his achievements, but in 1980 U accepted his plastic trophy ;D ;D ;D
recycled it into Chris Dickerson Mr.Olympia prize ::)
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As is the case with any progressive organisation, 'change' is an inevitability.
Many fear change and that is understandable. Regardless, organisations like the IFBB should embrace change on every level. Hence, a review of the current 'rules of governance' !?!?
Discuss.
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Vince I am in charge of Pro cards and I do not have a criminal record.
Bravo Tony, any poker runs in the near future ;)
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Look, it's a complex issue, but one that should not be shied away from.
I remember the strong views held by many here when Victor got into his terrible messes with the law.
Discuss.
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Maybe the real Mr Olympia is a resident in a federal prison somewhere?
Organizations have to make rules about conduct. The trouble is the IFBB has fabulous rules, more or less, but many are never enforced.
Hey Nursing Home candidate, what was the name of yours BB organization from eighties ?
"United" something ;D & was born in yours place
& lasted ??? how many years again 2 ;D
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Look, it's a complex issue, but one that should not be shied away from.
I remember the strong views held by many here when Victor got into his terrible messes with the law.
Discuss.
I don't think these kind of discussions will bring the pros back.
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Tony, you are one of the good guys. Was referring to the guy in Sydney who is mates with Arnold.
I was at a contest there when he handed out Luke Wood's pro card.
Oh how humiliating for Vince attending Paul Grahams Ifbb contest ;D
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Check the line up, second from the right. Torn chest, torn triceps, ankle monitor :-\
Lol what a mess!
You're lookin good there though coach.
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Look, it's a complex issue, but one that should not be shied away from.
I remember the strong views held by many here when Victor got into his terrible messes with the law.
Discuss.
Another FatAlex23 gimmick....so fucking boring and unoriginal. ::)
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It's 2013 in America- who doesn't have a felony record?
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I don't think these kind of discussions will bring the pros back.
And not one fuck was given over what you think......
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its actually discrimination to hire someone based on their past, massachusets is one of the only states that doesnt ask a person if they have been convicted of a crime on job applications..........ba rring convicted criminals from employment in usa is just a way to bar them from the system, and a way to get them to seek out illegal means of making money so they can be thrown back in jail or prison.
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its actually discrimination to hire someone based on their past, massachusets is one of the only states that doesnt ask a person if they have been convicted of a crime on job applications..........ba rring convicted criminals from employment in usa is just a way to bar them from the system, and a way to get them to seek out illegal means of making money so they can be thrown back in jail or prison.
so are you saying schools shouldnt be able to check if some one is a child molester
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I'm saying that it's a form of discrimination to get people broke and back in prison, yes there are situations such as working with kids, but in the big scheme of things, the people running these industries are the biggest criminals who get a free pass, while others are singled out, if you only knew the crimes against children the elite make, they run pedophile rings and molest innocent kids then go get on TV and everyone thinks they are some great person! Research elite circles and crimes against children, look what dcs just did, they are part of it too!
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I dont have a problem with it. To compete at the higher levels, you need to use drugs, which most people cannot get legally. It is what it is.
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Would be a Hypocrisy, competing in a sport that demands illegal drugs to be competitive!
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its actually discrimination to hire someone based on their past, massachusets is one of the only states that doesnt ask a person if they have been convicted of a crime on job applications..........ba rring convicted criminals from employment in usa is just a way to bar them from the system, and a way to get them to seek out illegal means of making money so they can be thrown back in jail or prison.
it's easier to get a real job with a record than a shit job. if your resume is tight and you have experience, employers don't give a fuck if you can make them money.
if you are one of a thousand unskilled schlubs going for a laborer position, it's simply a way to cut down on applicants.
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In the NFL, 30 players have been arrested since the Super Bowl. People in Congress have an arrest record. Shall we ban everyone?
No, the question is what type of arrest and criminal record, and how long ago it was.
If it was for a violent crime, by all means. But for non-violent crimes, you should always get a second chance.
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It's 2013 in America- who doesn't have a felony record?
me
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And not one fuck was given over what you think......
I agree but I was making a point, since Caro wants to bring the pros back to getbig.
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me
And not one single fuck was given on this day..
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I'm saying that it's a form of discrimination to get people broke and back in prison, yes there are situations such as working with kids, but in the big scheme of things, the people running these industries are the biggest criminals who get a free pass, while others are singled out, if you only knew the crimes against children the elite make, they run pedophile rings and molest innocent kids then go get on TV and everyone thinks they are some great person! Research elite circles and crimes against children, look what dcs just did, they are part of it too!
a bank doesn't want a security guard who is on probation for theft or bank robbery.
Nor do stores want employees who are found guilty of theft---from their employers. Nor do doctor's offices want employees found guilty of identity theft. Background check---criminal, is necessary.
Don't eff up, and you will be straight. Many times, your past is what people have to go on. It's cop out for those who continually eff up, and get chance after chance in life, and when they don't get it, they get mad, because they believe that they are entitled.
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a bank doesn't want a security guard who is on probation for theft or bank robbery.
Nor do stores want employees who are found guilty of theft---from their employers. Nor do doctor's offices want employees found guilty of identity theft. Background check---criminal, is necessary.
Don't eff up, and you will be straight. Many times, your past is what people have to go on. It's cop out for those who continually eff up, and get chance after chance in life, and when they don't get it, they get mad, because they believe that they are entitled.
Yes, there would clearly be a conflict of interest.
In peoples effort to be completely fair, they are eliminating common sense.
My problem is with special interest and funding....Theoretically a DUI conviction would hamper your ability to lead a productive life and maintane a job more than a murder conviction.
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it's easier to get a real job with a record than a shit job. if your resume is tight and you have experience, employers don't give a fuck if you can make them money.
if you are one of a thousand unskilled schlubs going for a laborer position, it's simply a way to cut down on applicants.
Very true.
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:D ;D
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Maybe the real Mr Olympia is a resident in a federal prison somewhere?
Organizations have to make rules about conduct. The trouble is the IFBB has fabulous rules, more or less, but many are never enforced.
WHERE do you live fatso ??? in former penal colony of Botany Bay on Van Diemens Land now call Australia ;D
over 165 000 convicts were transported by the British Empire & at the least 30% of Australians have
convicts genes.
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In the NFL, 30 players have been arrested since the Super Bowl. People in Congress have an arrest record. Shall we ban everyone?
No, the question is what type of arrest and criminal record, and how long ago it was.
If it was for a violent crime, by all means. But for non-violent crimes, you should always get a second chance.
Well said Ron.
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A sport where being the best involves how consistently you lift weights and how many illegal drugs you inject, and you're worried about criminal records?
Derpity derp derp.
This times 25.
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Suprise,suprise Vince Basile & Caro suddenly pissed off ;D ;D ;D
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Who gives a fuck about criminal records, If the person without the greater overall package doesn't win the contest has no validity in terms of being a competition.
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Who gives a fuck about criminal records, If the person without the greater overall package doesn't win the contest has no validity in terms of being a competition.
Agree, French Foreign Legion "officially" ;D don't enlist those with record ;)
just like western Security Contractors in Afghanistan, all "angels" ;D