hey OMR thanks for taking the time to get the book. secondly to write the review.
we took a lot of heat for our syntax and grammar but that was part of the spirit of the book. we wanted to keep it as real as possible and a tribute to GB.
but the system itself when apllied as directed WILL cause fat loss to occur at a more rapid rate, give you more energy and help you hold more lean tissue (and we don't know how or why but it does so amazingly well) than any other conventional diet out there.
there are few things in life that work as directed. esp in this industry of fads. I believe in this system. we took a lot of heat at the start for our motivations. I'm glad people are seeing we really truely want to help people. awesome.
thanks again dude. I promise you if you apply it you'll be amazed. it's unbelievable but it works.
1000 cals a day? Please tell me this is a joke.
get the book bro. read it. it will all make sense. then try it. every preconceived notion you have about ultra low cal dieting will be blown out of the water.
Caloric deficit (no more than 1000 cals per day)
Does this mean a caloric deficit of 1000 cals per day or total calories should be 1000 per day?
The first is a bit extreme, the second is insane.
Honestly even if it worked I couldnt. Didnt claw my way to the top of the food chain to est a bowl of Grape Nuts and a spoonfull of peanut butter per day. Sorry.
that's cool bro.
but if we were on the same chain, I'd be eating your grapenuts. ;) this isn't just for dieting. I've accumulated more lean tissue on this system than I can believe.
we can't make anyone try it. those who do are not dissapointed.
ever stop to think as inconceivable as it might be, someone somewhere has created something that totally blows away what your currently doing?
step outside your box bro.
You are only allowed to eat up to 1000 calories per day.
Because of the restrictive approach to caloric intake, that is why I added WILLPOWER as a factor in my equation. You need to have serious WILLPOWER in order to not eat any carbs and also keep your caloric intake at only 1,000 calories per day.
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that's cool bro.
but if we were on the same chain, I'd be eating your grapenuts. ;) this isn't just for dieting. I've accumulated more lean tissue on this system than I can believe.
we can't make anyone try it. those who do are not dissapointed.
ever stop to think as inconceivable as it might be, someone somewhere has created something that totally blows away what your currently doing?
step outside your box bro.
You are only allowed to eat up to 1000 calories per day.
Because of the restrictive approach to caloric intake, that is why I added WILLPOWER as a factor in my equation. You need to have serious WILLPOWER in order to not eat any carbs and also keep your caloric intake at only 1,000 calories per day.
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actually the longer you stay in the deficit the easier it gets and you don't really get crazy hungry.
in that regard it's the easiest diet ever.
I don't know if this emphasized in the book but people need to lift really light weights on such calories or they risk injuryyes and no.
There is no way I could do it. I like to eat and have a few beers. Being lean just isnt a priority anymore.
have you got an example of what you would eat on a 1000 calorie day
I did not read the book
But this obviously will not work for naturals
ya dude. 2lbs of bbqd boneless skinless breast and a few tsp of natty PB.Thats closer to 1300, but what do I know.
There is no way I could do it. I like to eat and have a few beers. Being lean just isnt a priority anymore.Its not hard though. 2500 calories of whatever you want and no cardio will get you to single digits in time.
ya dude. 2lbs of bbqd boneless skinless breast and a few tsp of natty PB.good info.
truthfully 1000cal doesn't seem like a lot. but as your stomach shrinks you'll find it will become difficult to eat 2lbs of chicken breast. lol
at the start the diet is tough. make no doubt about it. you w given your body food for 30+ years it didn't need or require so when you take it away it's not going to be happy. your trying to undo 30 years of overeating so the body has to 'learn' that it has to use it's fat stores for fuel as it will not be getting any more calories from food for fuel, only protein for repair of tissue. once it makes that *switch* you'll experience a marked decrease in appetite and a tremendous increase in energy.
you'll be AMAZED how little food your body actually requires esp for fuel when you already carry a massive fuel source to draw from (fat).
and to address the light weights comment. yesterday I benched 315 for 8 slow reps. I'm not a big bencher. that weight I haven touched since my big tren days.
FOOD INTAKE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TRUE STRENGTH.
good info.Cooked or uncooked?
About the chicken breast, it is usually around 1 calorie per gram, so 2 lb is 900 calories. very feeling, lots of food and low calories.
Cooked or uncooked?obviously cooked
obviously cookedHow do you cook it?
No one when was the first time you tried this diet?
1000 cals a day :o
Not read the book so can't really make a judgement, but if as the OP suggests the diet consists of sticking to 1000 cals a day with 150-200 grams from protein, does anyone really need a book to follow that? Surely a couple sentences would do!
Basically 600-800 cals coming from protein per day and the rest from fats/carbs, and is it really necessary to have no carb days on 1000 cal diet?, the weight would literally be falling off regardless of macro breakdown on a 1000 cals per day.
1000cal a day is just a small part of it. there are several small parts when combined that make it effective. if one of those is missing it's not as effective. the system is not just one part (1000cal) but the sum of many that makes it the fastest most effective method of fat loss ever created.Not to mention, the book deals with everything involved with the feelings, moods and high's and lows and how to mentally cope with the rigors involved in your daily life.
any 'diet' will get you lean if you apply it.
this system does it better, faster.
Gentlemen,nice
Keep the reviews and/or questions regarding their particular diet coming.
Constructive input is fine. Lets keep it positive though and not let prior personal issues derail the thread.
I am finding this discussion to be very helpful, as I am looking to once again diet in a structured fashion within the next few months and ALL input is highly appreciated.
Lets work towards demystifying the idea of complex dieting.
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1300cal in 2lb chicken breast, right?
Gentlemen,
Keep the reviews and/or questions regarding their particular diet coming.
Constructive input is fine. Lets keep it positive though and not let prior personal issues derail the thread.
I am finding this discussion to be very helpful, as I am looking to once again diet in a structured fashion within the next few months and ALL input is highly appreciated.
Lets work towards demystifying the idea of complex dieting.
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Its not hard though. 2500 calories of whatever you want and no cardio will get you to single digits in time.
nice
Gentlemen,
Keep the reviews and/or questions regarding their particular diet coming.
Constructive input is fine. Lets keep it positive though and not let prior personal issues derail the thread.
I am finding this discussion to be very helpful, as I am looking to once again diet in a structured fashion within the next few months and ALL input is highly appreciated.
Lets work towards demystifying the idea of complex dieting.
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and peanut butterPeanut butter varies from 60 calories to 90 calories.
Jeez you have a bad memory.
I need to.
I am 15 pounds over and being in my mid-40's doesn't help... :(
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You want to look better? Secret?
Eat less, move more. Pretty simple. Sadly most people can't do both at the same time without bitching. Also turn off Food Network. In your case, be the top more than the bottom. Helps you burn more calories.
Peanut butter varies from 60 calories to 90 calories.
So at most 2 lb of chicken breast is 900 calories and even lower about 800 if it has sodium and boiled.
so boiled chicken 800 calories and 2 tbl spoon of Peanut Butter is 120 calories.
so that is a total of 920 calories.
Now let's go the other way, cooked chicken 900 calories and 2 tbls of high end calorie Peanut butter is 180 calories
so at most 1080 calories
CONCLUSION
920 CALORIES TO 1080 CALORIES
Peanut butter varies from 60 calories to 90 calories.
So at most 2 lb of chicken breast is 900 calories and even lower about 800 if it has sodium and boiled.
so boiled chicken 800 calories and 2 tbl spoon of Peanut Butter is 120 calories.
so that is a total of 920 calories.
Now let's go the other way, cooked chicken 900 calories and 2 tbls of high end calorie Peanut butter is 180 calories
so at most 1080 calories
CONCLUSION
920 CALORIES TO 1080 CALORIES
I work out 3-4 times a week (cardio, weight lifting & boxing/jiujitsu).EXACTLY, people act like this is not an issue, the approach is everything. Mental stability and motivation is the bread and butter of a diet
Sometimes, even with all that activity involved, it is not enough.
My diet is certainly not perfect, but it isn't bad either. Finding a good diet that can get the job done quick is always useful.
Plus, if you find a solid diet, that you're comfortable with and are able to do with relative ease, it can become a mainstay approach to daily living.
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Who can stick to two spoons? ;Dwell that is whole other argument.
I started eating like this ie one meal a day/ training fasted/ eating whatever I wanted prolly about a year and a half ago?cool thanks, just curious over how much experience you have over this kind of diet.
gal and I weren't always 'friends' we got off to a rocky start here :D
after that we started comparing notes on how we ate and found we shared a lot of the same ideas- once a day- training fasted- big refeed meals- low cal days etc
we kinda thru the course of time refined our ideas separately (I wasn't on GB for about 8 months) and when we re touched base found we were still dieting the same way but we had both refined it on our own. the book is an accumulation of our experience and the development of the system from exchanging pm's like 2 years ago till today.
I work out 3-4 times a week (cardio, weight lifting & boxing/jiujitsu).
Sometimes, even with all that activity involved, it is not enough.
My diet is certainly not perfect, but it isn't bad either. Finding a good diet that can get the job done quick is always useful.
Plus, if you find a solid diet, that you're comfortable with and are able to do with relative ease, it can become a mainstay approach to daily living.
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great infoIndeed, I am very thorough with food contents and calories and jeff is wrong about 1300 calories on that one. ;)
fuck bro. that gives me a great idea- we can use ukbeths trolling to help people with accurate information that will better themselves.
maybe he can serve a purpose after all. :)
Food has the same effects on the body as do narcotics. The first few days of changing up your plan and eating a lot less fucks with your head. You start thinking about food all the time. You worry about food. You salivate over everything. You have cravings that fuck with you. Get past it and it all goes away. The body adapts quickly.excellent info^^^
Not sure if their plan just has you jumping in head first to 1000 calories or a slow decline to it, but the way you enter the diet, the better chance you have of succeeding.
I looked my best eating light carbs and super low calories. Eating tuna right from the can with squeezed lemon and dry chicken breasts from the oven. I ate so much tuna and chicken that I couldn't even look or think about it without dry heaving. But eventually my appetite went downhill. I went to a celebratory dinner thinking I was going to gorge like no tomorrow and after a few bites of shit food I felt sick and ready to throw up. My brain was like WTF!
The best thing to do is clean out your fridge and pantry before starting. out of sight, out of mind.
excellent info^^^
hahahaha???
Food has the same effects on the body as do narcotics. The first few days of changing up your plan and eating a lot less fucks with your head. You start thinking about food all the time. You worry about food. You salivate over everything. You have cravings that fuck with you. Get past it and it all goes away. The body adapts quickly.
Not sure if their plan just has you jumping in head first to 1000 calories or a slow decline to it, but the way you enter the diet, the better chance you have of succeeding.
I looked my best eating light carbs and super low calories. Eating tuna right from the can with squeezed lemon and dry chicken breasts from the oven. I ate so much tuna and chicken that I couldn't even look or think about it without dry heaving. But eventually my appetite went downhill. I went to a celebratory dinner thinking I was going to gorge like no tomorrow and after a few bites of shit food I felt sick and ready to throw up. My brain was like WTF!
The best thing to do is clean out your fridge and pantry before starting. out of sight, out of mind.
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Solid advice!
I approach all things with moderation.
As you know, there is a basal metabolic rate that is unique to individuals. Going by what my BMR is and the amount of exercise I put in daily, I can calculate that even with as much as 1,500-1800 calories/day, I would make out pretty well with my weight loss.
Like I said, I am roughly about 15 pounds over, but it's not as if I carry these extra pounds in a bad way. By losing those 15 pounds, I would have a very defined 6-pack and more vascularity overall. Right now, I already have a 4-pack with the bottom two abs covered in fat, but that doesn't make me depressed or anything.
I am just looking for better ways to diet on a day-to-day basis. I want to adjust my diet in such a way that it runs on autopilot with very little fluctuation, but while still appreciating what I eat....somewhat.
I am not prepping for any shows, nor do I want to look like a seasoned NPC competitor or IFBB pro, I just want more ideas to better my dietary approach.
I know that Gal & no one's approach works by way of sheer logic alone, but I also seek to learn about food quantities within meals, particular foods used (seasoning included) and cheat meal inclusion.
Again, this is more for edification purposes, because I am not necessarily unhappy with the way I look, moreover, I just want more tips and tricks for my own knowledge and a lot of these guys (Gal, no one, OTH, TrueAdonis, ukjeff etc.) keep in shape year round.
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I'm looking forward to your review once you've had a chance to read it cover to cover.Syntaxmachine reviewed the book and attributed 5% to you?
I think you'll find it a very complete methodology given what your looking for here. it's honestly and I'm not saying it cause 'we did it' the most concise, easy to use, educational, no bullshit way of managing your weight ever.
Syntaxmachine reviewed the book and attributed 5% to you?
was just going to say the same thing.
agreed.
the last line is gold. altho I've gotten out of bed at 2am to go to the bakery at the 24hr sobeys near my place. :D
Even leaving an oreo in a cabinet, at 2am you're trying to sleep but you are hearing loud screams, you get up and can't figure out the voice, you walk towards the kitchen and the screams get louder and louder, you walk to the pantry and open the door and the Oreo stands up screaming at full volume "EAT ME, EAT ME"
well, adonis says single digits, that can mean high 9s, lol.
and the vague "in time".yeah from where on.
if ppl really think they can get shredded fast on 2500cals of whatever they want, well, they free to try that.
and its not 1000cals a day throughout,as some think.
esp not for naturals.
I thought that or maybe for a giant.
Metabolisms vary...they have to. I see lighter guys than me dieting on amounts of food that I would maintain my weight on. A diet like yours and no one's is one that will get anyone ripped.
Yes, "only" a thousand cals.
For fucks sake, we all THINK we "need" more food then we do. Its probably do to us all being savages.
Thousand is plenty, esp when you know that in a few days you can eat like a wild baboon for a meal.
After you read the book, re-read it. I've found little simple, yet genius gems hidden amongst humorous and at times schizophrenic ramblings.
how to buy it?
I'm loling cause it's true!!
awesome- and it's the one 50cal Oreo that triggers a 4kcal landslide.
:D
It's amazing the shit you'll put into a sandwich in the middle of the night.
The Chips ahoy, cheese, turkey, bacon, tomato, Dorito, lays crumbs, leftover meatloaf in the butt bread sandwich with a bottle of tabasco to help it down.
I've tried dieting on higher calories....nothing happened. I've eaten what's supposed to be maintenance calories (slightly over what you say to diet on with no cardio) for my body weight from whatever I wanted and only got fatter.I am sure you did it wrong. I don`t really care either way. (if you did it right and can`t handle a measly 2500 calories, then you must have shit genetics) :D
I am sure you did it wrong. I don`t really care either way. (if you did it right and can`t handle a measly 2500 calories, then you must have shit genetics) :D
I'm pretty good at calorie counting...been doing it for years. I attribute it to how my body processes and responds to carbohydrates, if that's shit genetics than it's shit genetics. At least I know how my body responds to my food intake where people will go around in a hamster wheel trying all sorts of diets wasting time and effort. You saying 2500 cals of whatever you want and no cardio will get anyone into single digits is misleading. And that's not even knowing the op's stats lol.You probably should get a working digital scale and count again. :D
You probably should get a working digital scale and count again. :D
I bought the book a few weeks ago, and I've read it a few times now.
I think it's a great read, I think gal and no one explain their points of view very well, gal's writing is hilarious (sandra bulldog LOL). It's full of broscience, but that's not bad at all, because it's their real lives experiences, years of it put together. And it just makes sense.
OF COURSE a traditional diet will get you lean, and even contest ripped if you stick at it and give it enough time. But just because something is effective (reaching a certain goal) does not mean it's the most efficient way to get there (how fast you reach your goal). In this case, the goal is fat loss, plain and simple. Get in, get out, get it done as fast as you can. Why the fuck would someone diet for 12-16-20 weeks if you could get to the desired result in a fraction of the time?
Right now life is getting in the way, but in the next couple of weeks I intend to start this crash diet and get shit done. I am far from fat right now, I actually PM'd no one for advice and showed him my pics, I estimated myself at 10~12% no one said I am actually no more than 8%, and his comments really motivated me. :)
lol 'obviously' cause you have the book and tried the system, right? ::)
the majority of the people buying the book are naturals and they are ALL experiencing tremendous results.
wtf instead of 'supposing' and 'assuming' try it and then speak from experience.
really? any pics to back this up? any pic of YOU, btw, exhibiting the condition galeniko achieved? any recent pics of galeniko to prove he maintains condition (year round)?No one only posts pics after he has prepped for them, (dieted, shaved and oiled) I believe he is currently up around 249lbs, thats over 20lbs over his best condition.
No one only posts pics after he has prepped for them, (dieted, shaved and oiled) I believe he is currently up around 249lbs, thats over 20lbs over his best condition.
He doesnt stick to this diet like Gal does.
The guy buys 8 kilos of peanut butter at a time.
No one only posts pics after he has prepped for them, (dieted, shaved and oiled) I believe he is currently up around 249lbs, thats over 20lbs over his best condition.
He doesnt stick to this diet like Gal does.
The guy buys 8 kilos of peanut butter at a time.
I've never seen him in impressive condition anyway. For all the self-promotion about this diet, there has been very little in the way of hard evidence. Sure, gal has posted some damn impressive looking pics... but these don't prove he "maintains this condition year round"... much less no one, or any of the other guys chiming in about how this diet "works", sans pics, of course. And usually when they've only been on the diet for a matter of weeks, if that.No ones shots have always been front shots, we have never seen his lower back, thats where us older guys store our fat.
Like gal and no one admit, any diet can get people shredded. The interesting thing about their diet, to me, has always been the claim that they get as lean as possible, close to contest condition, and maintain it indefinitely. So far, there's been no conclusive evidence of this. That said, there's been no conclusive evidence to the contrary, either. But it seems like the pics have pretty much trickled off, and they were only ever really coming from Gal anyway.
Has he posted any said "prepped" pics? I've only seen three pics of the guy ever. The first one he posted back in the adonis thread, the one where he was out of shape at the pool, and then the recent one that was a close up of his torso. TBH, I can't really remember any of them too clearly now, but I remember thinking his recent one (posted in support of the diet) wasn't any more impressive than the one he posted way back when. And his condition wasn't anything out of the ordinary. Good, yes, but not on gal's level... there are a couple of guys in the condition he exhibited in every gym i've been to.
Nah, not trolling him anymore, Im genuinly interested this time.
I would just like him to verify a few of his contradictory posts, he is after all trying to sell a book based on his claims.
its still trollingAsking someone to verify his claims isnt trolling.
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uk jeff proving he cant stopstalkingtrolling in this thread
his obsession with no one is at the point where he is calculating his peanut butter intake ;D ;D
Been off diet for 2 weeks eating like a glutton. I had my lame reasons. But still did my best to fast off the mess. Weighing a bloated 190. Simply it works. Back on it . Pic taken today.
Asking someone to verify his claims isnt trolling.
Why would he get upset about that?
He has also claimed new muscle created whilst in a calorific deficit.
I dont think thats possible.
I believe he is mistaken about that and any new muscle he has gained has been between his calorific deficit days when he is bingeing and eating normally.
the thread is about reviews of the book
you are trying to rile him by going off topic
might have been an idea to start a thread asking him the question
why do you care how much peanut butter he buys ???
Point taken, I will start a new thread asking him the questions.Thats how he smuggles the coke.
I cant understand why someone who only has a couple of teaspoons of peanut butter a day would buy 8 kilos at a time.
8 kilos is over a years supply at that rate.
the thread is about reviews of the book
you are trying to rile him by going off topic
might have been an idea to start a thread asking him the question
why do you care how much peanut butter he buys ???
Point taken, I will start a new thread asking him the questions.
I cant understand why someone who only has a couple of teaspoons of peanut butter a day would buy 8 kilos at a time.
8 kilos is over a years supply at that rate.
perhaps he gets a discount buying in bulk
my take is in the grand scheme of things im not going to lose sleep over some ones peanut butter accruing tactics
Nah, not trolling him anymore, Im genuinly interested this time.
I would just like him to verify a few of his contradictory posts, he is after all trying to sell a book based on his claims.
Well when he writes about gorging on it and eating huge peanut butter pies it sort of flies in the face of everything he claims he does as far as diet goes.
Anyway, stop pestering me in this thread. ;D
passive aggressive behaviour right here folks raymondo was on to something
Jeff is fruitier than a skittles sharebag.
really? any pics to back this up? any pic of YOU, btw, exhibiting the condition galeniko achieved? any recent pics of galeniko to prove he maintains condition (year round)?
are you saying that jeffs elevator doesn't go all the way to the top floor cyp
Read a few more chapters and really enjoying it.
One suggestion I have if they put out a second edition is to include a chapter on having fun with your new body. I know gal talks a lot on the forum how he goes to outdoor parties and the beach often and I enjoy hearing about those. Maybe make a list for people like go to beach, Vegas pools, compete in bbing, go to nightclubs to fuck whores etc... I'm sure people who have been 15 or 20+% bf and got to single digits for the first time would love to hear some of these ideas. At least some of gal and no ones experiences.
I was around 25% and now around 10-12%, should be soon under 10. And I have never been in that zone. Mind you my wife won't let me partying :D
How is your dieting going
Lets say two juice heads want to do this diet.....first guy is 240 and 12 percent body fat, second guy is 180 with 12 percent body fat (they are both the same height). You couldn't possibly believe both subjects should eat the same amount of calories to diet down on.
Gal or no one can put in their official answer but I think they sure can eat the same # of calories. That's a big part of the diet, throwing out old conventional "wisdom" and being confident you will not wither away from not eating.this is not an issue of throwing out conventional wisdom. Common sense dictates that the guy with more lean tissue would require more calories and he would still be able to lose fat at the same rate as the other guy.
Lets say two juice heads want to do this diet.....first guy is 240 and 12 percent body fat, second guy is 180 with 12 percent body fat (they are both the same height). You couldn't possibly believe both subjects should eat the same amount of calories to diet down on.
A juicehead who's 180 and 12% bf should come off and rethink his approachit was hypothetical. I just can't fathom why someone would recommend the same caloric intake for every person. Say one person works a desk job sitting on their ass all day and another works digging ditches. Are you really going to tell me they should eat the same amount of calories if Ye are both trying to drop some fat?
it was hypothetical. I just can't fathom why someone would recommend the same caloric intake for every person. Say one person works a desk job sitting on their ass all day and another works digging ditches. Are you really going to tell me they should eat the same amount of calories if Ye are both trying to drop some fat?Its actually true.