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Wow... unless anyone has some serious evidence that the US and UN are "making it all up", it looks like war is on the way.
I know it's a very popular position to say "rebels did it", but without evidence of that, well, you'd just be a silly nutty conspiracy theorist like those who doubted Powell in 2003.
(CNN) -- The Obama administration pushed forward Sunday on a new path toward military action in Syria, urging Congress to support the president's call.
Tests found signatures of sarin gas in blood and hair samples collected from the Damascus site of an alleged chemical weapons attack, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Sunday on CNN's State of the Union.
The samples were collected separately from a United Nations investigation into the August 21 attack and provide further proof that the Syrian regime attacked its own people, Kerry said.
With "each day that goes by, this case is even stronger," he said, arguing that the United States must act.
"If you don't do it, you send a message of impunity," Kerry said. Iran, North Korea, and Hezbollah "will look at the United States and say 'Nothing means anything' -- that's what's at stake here," he said.
Kerry: Evidence of sarin gas in Syria Opposition: Decision will embolden regime 'We have to do something' about Syria What steps will the U.S. take in Syria?
Syria denies using chemical weapons on its people and blames the rebels.
Even as Kerry called the evidence "overwhelming" Sunday, the United Nations argued that world leaders should wait until U.N. investigators determine whether chemical weapons were used.
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Wow... unless anyone has some serious evidence that the US and UN are "making it all up", it looks like war is on the way.
I know it's a very popular position to say "rebels did it", but without evidence of that, well, you'd just be a silly nutty conspiracy theorist like those who doubted Powell in 2003.
(CNN) -- The Obama administration pushed forward Sunday on a new path toward military action in Syria, urging Congress to support the president's call.
Tests found signatures of sarin gas in blood and hair samples collected from the Damascus site of an alleged chemical weapons attack, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Sunday on CNN's State of the Union.
The samples were collected separately from a United Nations investigation into the August 21 attack and provide further proof that the Syrian regime attacked its own people, Kerry said.
With "each day that goes by, this case is even stronger," he said, arguing that the United States must act.
"If you don't do it, you send a message of impunity," Kerry said. Iran, North Korea, and Hezbollah "will look at the United States and say 'Nothing means anything' -- that's what's at stake here," he said.
Kerry: Evidence of sarin gas in Syria Opposition: Decision will embolden regime 'We have to do something' about Syria What steps will the U.S. take in Syria?
Syria denies using chemical weapons on its people and blames the rebels.
Even as Kerry called the evidence "overwhelming" Sunday, the United Nations argued that world leaders should wait until U.N. investigators determine whether chemical weapons were used.
I'm having trouble keeping up with where you stand... lol
I think you're actually starting to turn into the character you've been playing.
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Rebels have been found w sarin gas too.
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No proof whatsoever that this was ordered by Assad. And actually the intercepted phone call suggests the higher ups didn't know about it.
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The majority of the world is AGAINST us invading, so the other countries should post info showing it wasn't assad pretty damn fast. Plus, Assad himself should be showing evidence he didn't order it.
If it was some middle mgmt guy pulling this stunt, then assad should be showing the world that.
I'm having trouble keeping up with where you stand... lol
I think you're actually starting to turn into the character you've been playing.
oh I don't want a war, dude. But I sure don't want some nutbag with a suitcase opening up sarin gas in a subway or something. If an anti-USA leader like Assad has and is using Sarin gas against his own people, what's to stop him from using it on Americans?
if the Bush doctrine was valid in 2003 about a country that MIGHT have WMD, what is there to talk about today? They hate us, they have WMD, and they have shown they will use it. I don't like it... but how can one argue it?
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The majority of the world is AGAINST us invading, so the other countries should post info showing it wasn't assad pretty damn fast. Plus, Assad himself should be showing evidence he didn't order it.
If it was some middle mgmt guy pulling this stunt, then assad should be showing the world that.
oh I don't want a war, dude. But I sure don't want some nutbag with a suitcase opening up sarin gas in a subway or something. If an anti-USA leader like Assad has and is using Sarin gas against his own people, what's to stop him from using it on Americans?
if the Bush doctrine was valid in 2003 about a country that MIGHT have WMD, what is there to talk about today? They hate us, they have WMD, and they have shown they will use it. I don't like it... but how can one argue it?
Do you know how long they've had chemical weapons? All of a sudden this means they might attacks us in America? ::) I think that the chance of that happening was about as close to zero as it gets. If anything there's probably a better chance of it if we attack them. And again, nobody has shown that Assad is the one who gave those orders and not an operation by the rebels to make it look like that. We don't have any business in this civil war.
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That's odd, looks a lot more like tea party member vs. neocon.
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Obama should say he will abide by however the congress votes.
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Obama should say he will abide by however the congress votes.
No reason to do that as long as he has the legal authority. If Lincoln used the oath of the Constitution to invade the south, than Obama easily has this one in the bag without any approval.
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No reason to do that as long as he has the legal authority. If Lincoln used the oath of the Constitution to invade the south, than Obama easily has this one in the bag without any approval.
That is not what he promised running for office.
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No reason to do that as long as he has the legal authority. If Lincoln used the oath of the Constitution to invade the south, than Obama easily has this one in the bag without any approval.
Well you need to go ahead and tell us why both Obama and Biden are wrong on the following statements:
“The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat,”--Obama
JOE BIDEN: Ladies and Gentlemen, I drafted an outline of what I think the Constitutional limits have on the war clause. I went to five leading scholars, constitutional scholars, and they drafted a treatise for me that’s being distributed to every senator. And I want to make it clear, and I made it clear to the president, that if he takes this nation to war…without congressional approval, I will make it my business to impeach him. And that’s a fact!
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That is not what he promised running for office.
Not true at all. He has been warning Assad for months and years not to use Chemical Weapons. He always maintained that he would never take any option off the table in the event of a nation using Chemical Warfare. He said this in the Democratic debates in 2007 even.
Here he was warning Assad 9 months ago. Obama has been the toughest President to date on Terrorists and Muslim Extremists. To say otherwise is just being moronic.
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I don`t think you can find a single thing Bernie Sanders has lied about in office.
"the president does not have the authority to attack Iran without the congressional authorization that our Constitution requires."--Bernie Sanders
Even your hero disagrees with you lol...
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"the president does not have the authority to attack Iran without the congressional authorization that our Constitution requires."--Bernie Sanders
Even your hero disagrees with you lol...
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Obama is asking for approval from Congress. Did you not know that?
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Obama is asking for approval from Congress. Did you not know that?
::) yea, I knew that assmunch.... You said he didn't have to though. If that's your position, explain what Obama, Biden and Sanders said on the subject! which is posted above.
No reason to do that as long as he has the legal authority. If Lincoln used the oath of the Constitution to invade the south, than Obama easily has this one in the bag without any approval.
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remember this?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57592880/russia-syrian-rebels-made-used-sarin-nerve-gas/
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No reason to do that as long as he has the legal authority. If Lincoln used the oath of the Constitution to invade the south, than Obama easily has this one in the bag without any approval.
Lincoln was the original Neo Con... ::)
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Wow... unless anyone has some serious evidence that the US and UN are "making it all up", it looks like war is on the way.
I know it's a very popular position to say "rebels did it", but without evidence of that, well, you'd just be a silly nutty conspiracy theorist like those who doubted Powell in 2003.
(CNN) -- The Obama administration pushed forward Sunday on a new path toward military action in Syria, urging Congress to support the president's call.
Tests found signatures of sarin gas in blood and hair samples collected from the Damascus site of an alleged chemical weapons attack, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Sunday on CNN's State of the Union.
The samples were collected separately from a United Nations investigation into the August 21 attack and provide further proof that the Syrian regime attacked its own people, Kerry said.
With "each day that goes by, this case is even stronger," he said, arguing that the United States must act.
"If you don't do it, you send a message of impunity," Kerry said. Iran, North Korea, and Hezbollah "will look at the United States and say 'Nothing means anything' -- that's what's at stake here," he said.
Kerry: Evidence of sarin gas in Syria Opposition: Decision will embolden regime 'We have to do something' about Syria What steps will the U.S. take in Syria?
Syria denies using chemical weapons on its people and blames the rebels.
Even as Kerry called the evidence "overwhelming" Sunday, the United Nations argued that world leaders should wait until U.N. investigators determine whether chemical weapons were used.
Where's the evidence that Assad is responsible? Kerry is just reiterating that chems were used, what's new? Maybe someone should have bombed the U.S then, for using white phosphorous in Iraq. This moral high ground Kerry is spewing is BS. Kerry should STFU.
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::) yea, I knew that assmunch.... You said he didn't have to though. If that's your position, explain what Obama, Biden and Sanders said on the subject! which is posted above.
He doesn`t have to. The precedent for using military action in some instances without the approval has already been long set. Are you not aware of this?
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He doesn`t have to. The precedent for using military action in some instances without the approval has already been long set. Are you not aware of this?
Doesn't make it legal to do so though. Libya was illegal and for that, Obama should have been impeached. Those like Obama like to bypass the constitution when it suits their fancy.
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Doesn't make it legal to do so though. Libya was illegal and for that, Obama should have been impeached. Those like Obama like to bypass the constitution when it suits their fancy.
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Have fun with that. Read some American History why don`t you.
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Have fun with that. Read some American History why don`t you.
Read the constitution why don't you. ::)
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Read the constitution why don't you. ::)
I will do you one better. I already read the Federalist Papers from cover to cover a few years ago.
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He doesn`t have to. The precedent for using military action in some instances without the approval has already been long set. Are you not aware of this?
yes and Obama, Biden and Sanders along with many others are on record saying that without an actual attack or immanent threat, the president needs to get approval from Congress. So you need to explain why they were wrong saying that, especially explain why Biden is wrong since he's the one who consulted leading constitutional scholars on it lol... And just because a president does something it doesn't set a new precedent making it the absolute right. You are aware of that right? lol...
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yes and Obama, Biden and Sanders along with many others are on record saying that without an actual attack or immanent threat, the president needs to get approval from Congress. So you need to explain why they were wrong saying that, especially explain why Biden is wrong since he's the one who consulted leading constitutional scholars on it lol... And just because a president does something it doesn't set a new precedent making it the absolute right. You are aware of that right? lol...
Well put. I'll be interested to hear Mr. Know it all explain this as well.
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Well put. I'll be interested to hear Mr. Know it all explain this as well.
Explain what? The fact that you are wasting your time whining about the "legality" when it has been already established since the XYZ affair which led to the Quasi-War from 1798-1800 between the United States and France? Why are you not marching in the streets to have John Adams dug up and his body impeached?
Or is it that you just have never read a day of history in your life?
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Hope this helps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasi-War
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yes look at how the "rebels" that the us have put in power in Libya are so for the people better make sure you are the right skin color though ::)
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Explain what? The fact that you are wasting your time whining about the "legality" when it has been already established since the XYZ affair which led to the Quasi-War from 1798-1800 between the United States and France? Why are you not marching in the streets to have John Adams dug up and his body impeached?
Or is it that you just have never read a day of history in your life?
Priceless TA ::) This is your final answer? lol....
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Underlying tone of urgency to the situation...
Insinuations that what is happening in Syria is a threat to our national security...
The use of chemical weapons is the new "smoking gun"...
I've seen this movie many times before and I know it's all a LIE.
Obama is not telling the truth. He ought to resign NOW.
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Underlying tone of urgency to the situation...
Insinuations that what is happening in Syria is a threat to our national security...
The use of chemical weapons is the new "smoking gun"...
I've seen this movie many times before and I know it's all a LIE.
Obama is not telling the truth. He ought to resign NOW.
Why?
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Underlying tone of urgency to the situation...
Insinuations that what is happening in Syria is a threat to our national security...
The use of chemical weapons is the new "smoking gun"...
I've seen this movie many times before and I know it's all a LIE.
Obama is not telling the truth. He ought to resign NOW.
he wont
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Priceless TA ::) This is your final answer? lol....
hahaha yea thats this fucking tards final answer
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Why?
Because he's lying?
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hahaha yea thats this fucking tards final answer
and he disappeared for a while to come up with that funny dodge lol...
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Explain what? The fact that you are wasting your time whining about the "legality" when it has been already established since the XYZ affair which led to the Quasi-War from 1798-1800 between the United States and France? Why are you not marching in the streets to have John Adams dug up and his body impeached?
Or is it that you just have never read a day of history in your life?
There are a lot of things that get done illegally, which people get away with doing, as in the case with Libya. It may very well set a precedent, but not a legal one by any means. There is a constitution for a reason. Nice try at deflection though. Like I said, read the constitution. Then read it again. Or, you can keep trying way too hard to portray yourself as a pseudo intellectual by digging up obscure historical examples that have no relevance to the topic.
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There are a lot of things that get done illegally, which people get away with doing, as in the case with Libya. It may very well set a precedent, but not a legal one by any means. There is a constitution for a reason. Nice try at deflection though. Like I said, read the constitution. Then read it again.
What are you blabbering on about now? Are you really stupid enough to believe that Iraq, Kosovo and all the other skirmishes before it were "illegal"? Did you give up your little picket fest for all of those when you found out that they were not in fact illegal? Now you are on to this next skirmish? How will you get out of it if Congress gives approval? Will you make up some other nonsense excuse and invoke the Illuminati or some other moronic "explanation"? Were you out protesting the first Gulf War to which there was no Congressional authorization? What about the Korean War? Are you still bitter over that one too? :D The Civil War? Want to go back that far?
On at least 125 occasions, the President has acted without prior express military authorization from Congress.
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hahaha yea thats this fucking tards final answer
Good to see you joining the hippie movement. Will you be growing a beard for this occasion? :D
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beards are awesome
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Good to see you joining the hippie movement. Will you be growing a beard for this occasion? :D
If I didnt have a job, I would literally grow a mountain man beard and grow my hair out if that helps ;)
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What are you blabbering on about now? Are you really stupid enough to believe that Iraq, Kosovo and all the other skirmishes before it were "illegal"? Did you give up your little picket fest for all of those when you found out that they were not in fact illegal? Now you are on to this next skirmish? How will you get out of it if Congress gives approval? Will you make up some other nonsense excuse and invoke the Illuminati or some other moronic "explanation"? Were you out protesting the first Gulf War to which there was no Congressional authorization? What about the Korean War? Are you still bitter over that one too? :D The Civil War? Want to go back that far?
On at least 125 occasions, the President has acted without prior express military authorization from Congress.
Where's the immediate or imminent threat to the safety and security of the United States based on the circumstances in Syria? There is none. Therefore, the President is bound by the constitution and cannot bypass the war powers resolution of 1973. All of your examples that predate 1973 are trivial and irrelevant at best. Talk about the civil war though, if you wish.
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If I didnt have a job, I would literally grow a mountain man beard and grow my hair out if that helps ;)
Something to do with that Duck Dynasty show? Its a strange phenomenon I hear. I have never seen the show nor will I ever, but I find it interesting that people are trying to emulate this look.
I can`t stand the feeling of a beard. It gets so itchy and too hot. No idea how people do it. Plus I would probably have to shampoo and condition it after every time I eat or do anything. Most people must have a disgusting beard because I doubt they wash the sweat and food build up out of it.
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Where's the immediate or imminent threat to the safety and security of the United States based on the circumstances in Syria? There is none. Therefore, the President is bound by the constitution and cannot bypass the war powers resolution of 1973. All of your examples that predate 1973 are trivial and irrelevant at best. Talk about the civil war though, if you wish.
Why?
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Something to do with that Duck Dynasty show? Its a strange phenomenon I hear. I have never seen the show nor will I ever, but I find it interesting that people are trying to emulate this look.
I can`t stand the feeling of a beard. It gets so itchy and too hot. No idea how people do it. Plus I would probably have to shampoo and condition it after every time I eat or do anything. Most people must have a disgusting beard because I doubt they wash the sweat and food build up out of it.
no b/c i have to shave nearly everyday so it would be nice to just let me facial hair grow and not worry about it.
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no b/c i have to shave nearly everyday so it would be nice to just let me facial hair grow and not worry about it.
Who says you can`t grow an Andrew Carnegie?
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