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Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« on: September 01, 2013, 02:28:48 PM »
Wow... unless anyone has some serious evidence that the US and UN are "making it all up", it looks like war is on the way. 

I know it's a very popular position to say "rebels did it", but without evidence of that, well, you'd just be a silly nutty conspiracy theorist like those who doubted Powell in 2003.



(CNN) -- The Obama administration pushed forward Sunday on a new path toward military action in Syria, urging Congress to support the president's call.
Tests found signatures of sarin gas in blood and hair samples collected from the Damascus site of an alleged chemical weapons attack, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Sunday on CNN's State of the Union.
The samples were collected separately from a United Nations investigation into the August 21 attack and provide further proof that the Syrian regime attacked its own people, Kerry said.
With "each day that goes by, this case is even stronger," he said, arguing that the United States must act.
"If you don't do it, you send a message of impunity," Kerry said. Iran, North Korea, and Hezbollah "will look at the United States and say 'Nothing means anything' -- that's what's at stake here," he said.
 Kerry: Evidence of sarin gas in Syria Opposition: Decision will embolden regime 'We have to do something' about Syria What steps will the U.S. take in Syria?
Syria denies using chemical weapons on its people and blames the rebels.
Even as Kerry called the evidence "overwhelming" Sunday, the United Nations argued that world leaders should wait until U.N. investigators determine whether chemical weapons were used.


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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2013, 02:31:45 PM »
Wow... unless anyone has some serious evidence that the US and UN are "making it all up", it looks like war is on the way. 

I know it's a very popular position to say "rebels did it", but without evidence of that, well, you'd just be a silly nutty conspiracy theorist like those who doubted Powell in 2003.



(CNN) -- The Obama administration pushed forward Sunday on a new path toward military action in Syria, urging Congress to support the president's call.
Tests found signatures of sarin gas in blood and hair samples collected from the Damascus site of an alleged chemical weapons attack, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Sunday on CNN's State of the Union.
The samples were collected separately from a United Nations investigation into the August 21 attack and provide further proof that the Syrian regime attacked its own people, Kerry said.
With "each day that goes by, this case is even stronger," he said, arguing that the United States must act.
"If you don't do it, you send a message of impunity," Kerry said. Iran, North Korea, and Hezbollah "will look at the United States and say 'Nothing means anything' -- that's what's at stake here," he said.
 Kerry: Evidence of sarin gas in Syria Opposition: Decision will embolden regime 'We have to do something' about Syria What steps will the U.S. take in Syria?
Syria denies using chemical weapons on its people and blames the rebels.
Even as Kerry called the evidence "overwhelming" Sunday, the United Nations argued that world leaders should wait until U.N. investigators determine whether chemical weapons were used.



I'm having trouble keeping up with where you stand... lol

I think you're actually starting to turn into the character you've been playing.

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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2013, 02:42:05 PM »
Rebels have been found w sarin gas too.

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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2013, 02:48:17 PM »
No proof whatsoever that this was ordered by Assad.  And actually the intercepted phone call suggests the higher ups didn't know about it.

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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2013, 03:02:41 PM »
The majority of the world is AGAINST us invading, so the other countries should post info showing it wasn't assad pretty damn fast.  Plus, Assad himself should be showing evidence he didn't order it. 

If it was some middle mgmt guy pulling this stunt, then assad should be showing the world that. 

I'm having trouble keeping up with where you stand... lol

I think you're actually starting to turn into the character you've been playing.

oh I don't want a war, dude.  But I sure don't want some nutbag with a suitcase opening up sarin gas in a subway or something.  If an anti-USA leader like Assad has and is using Sarin gas against his own people, what's to stop him from using it on Americans? 

if the Bush doctrine was valid in 2003 about a country that MIGHT have WMD, what is there to talk about today?  They hate us, they have WMD, and they have shown they will use it.  I don't like it... but how can one argue it?

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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2013, 03:15:32 PM »
The majority of the world is AGAINST us invading, so the other countries should post info showing it wasn't assad pretty damn fast.  Plus, Assad himself should be showing evidence he didn't order it. 

If it was some middle mgmt guy pulling this stunt, then assad should be showing the world that. 

oh I don't want a war, dude.  But I sure don't want some nutbag with a suitcase opening up sarin gas in a subway or something.  If an anti-USA leader like Assad has and is using Sarin gas against his own people, what's to stop him from using it on Americans? 

if the Bush doctrine was valid in 2003 about a country that MIGHT have WMD, what is there to talk about today?  They hate us, they have WMD, and they have shown they will use it.  I don't like it... but how can one argue it?
Do you know how long they've had chemical weapons?  All of a sudden this means they might attacks us in America? ::)  I think that the chance of that happening was about as close to zero as it gets.  If anything there's probably a better chance of it if we attack them.  And again, nobody has shown that Assad is the one who gave those orders and not an operation by the rebels to make it look like that.  We don't have any business in this civil war.

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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2013, 03:19:48 PM »

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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2013, 03:25:52 PM »

That's odd, looks a lot more like tea party member vs. neocon.

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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2013, 03:30:41 PM »


Obama should say he will abide by however the congress votes.

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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2013, 03:43:35 PM »
Obama should say he will abide by however the congress votes.
No reason to do that as long as he has the legal authority.  If Lincoln used the oath of the Constitution to invade the south, than Obama easily has this one in the bag without any approval.

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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2013, 03:47:25 PM »
No reason to do that as long as he has the legal authority.  If Lincoln used the oath of the Constitution to invade the south, than Obama easily has this one in the bag without any approval.

That is not what he promised running for office.

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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2013, 03:53:19 PM »
No reason to do that as long as he has the legal authority.  If Lincoln used the oath of the Constitution to invade the south, than Obama easily has this one in the bag without any approval.

Well you need to go ahead and tell us why both Obama and Biden are wrong on the following statements:

“The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat,”--Obama

JOE BIDEN:  Ladies and Gentlemen, I drafted an outline of what I think the Constitutional limits have on the war clause. I went to five leading scholars, constitutional scholars, and they drafted a treatise for me that’s being distributed to every senator. And I want to make it clear, and I made it clear to the president, that if he takes this nation to war…without congressional approval, I will make it my business to impeach him. And that’s a fact!

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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2013, 03:55:43 PM »
That is not what he promised running for office.
Not true at all.  He has been warning Assad for months and years not to use Chemical Weapons.  He always maintained that he would never take any option off the table in the event of a nation using Chemical Warfare.  He said this in the Democratic debates in 2007 even.

Here he was warning Assad 9 months ago.  Obama has been the toughest President to date on Terrorists and Muslim Extremists.  To say otherwise is just being moronic.


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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2013, 04:04:02 PM »
I don`t think you can find a single thing Bernie Sanders has lied about in office.

"the president does not have the authority to attack Iran without the congressional authorization that our Constitution requires."--Bernie Sanders

Even your hero disagrees with you lol...

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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2013, 04:08:26 PM »
"the president does not have the authority to attack Iran without the congressional authorization that our Constitution requires."--Bernie Sanders

Even your hero disagrees with you lol...
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Obama is asking for approval from Congress.  Did you not know that? 

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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2013, 04:12:51 PM »
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Obama is asking for approval from Congress.  Did you not know that?  
::) yea, I knew that assmunch....  You said he didn't have to though.  If that's your position, explain what Obama, Biden and Sanders said on the subject!  which is posted above.

No reason to do that as long as he has the legal authority.  If Lincoln used the oath of the Constitution to invade the south, than Obama easily has this one in the bag without any approval.


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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2013, 04:22:07 PM »
No reason to do that as long as he has the legal authority.  If Lincoln used the oath of the Constitution to invade the south, than Obama easily has this one in the bag without any approval.

Lincoln was the original Neo Con...  ::)

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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2013, 04:35:35 PM »
Wow... unless anyone has some serious evidence that the US and UN are "making it all up", it looks like war is on the way.  

I know it's a very popular position to say "rebels did it", but without evidence of that, well, you'd just be a silly nutty conspiracy theorist like those who doubted Powell in 2003.



(CNN) -- The Obama administration pushed forward Sunday on a new path toward military action in Syria, urging Congress to support the president's call.
Tests found signatures of sarin gas in blood and hair samples collected from the Damascus site of an alleged chemical weapons attack, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Sunday on CNN's State of the Union.
The samples were collected separately from a United Nations investigation into the August 21 attack and provide further proof that the Syrian regime attacked its own people, Kerry said.
With "each day that goes by, this case is even stronger," he said, arguing that the United States must act.
"If you don't do it, you send a message of impunity," Kerry said. Iran, North Korea, and Hezbollah "will look at the United States and say 'Nothing means anything' -- that's what's at stake here," he said.
 Kerry: Evidence of sarin gas in Syria Opposition: Decision will embolden regime 'We have to do something' about Syria What steps will the U.S. take in Syria?
Syria denies using chemical weapons on its people and blames the rebels.
Even as Kerry called the evidence "overwhelming" Sunday, the United Nations argued that world leaders should wait until U.N. investigators determine whether chemical weapons were used.



Where's the evidence that Assad is responsible?  Kerry is just reiterating that chems were used, what's new?  Maybe someone should have bombed the U.S then,  for using white phosphorous in Iraq.  This moral high ground Kerry is spewing is BS.  Kerry should STFU.

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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2013, 04:44:28 PM »
::) yea, I knew that assmunch....  You said he didn't have to though.  If that's your position, explain what Obama, Biden and Sanders said on the subject!  which is posted above.

He doesn`t have to.  The precedent for using military action in some instances without the approval has already been long set.  Are you not aware of this?

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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2013, 04:49:18 PM »
He doesn`t have to.  The precedent for using military action in some instances without the approval has already been long set.  Are you not aware of this?

Doesn't make it legal to do so though.  Libya was illegal and for that, Obama should have been impeached.  Those like Obama like to bypass the constitution when it suits their fancy. 

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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2013, 04:51:17 PM »
Doesn't make it legal to do so though.  Libya was illegal and for that, Obama should have been impeached.  Those like Obama like to bypass the constitution when it suits their fancy. 
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Have fun with that.  Read some American History why don`t you.

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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2013, 04:53:43 PM »
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Have fun with that.  Read some American History why don`t you.

Read the constitution why don't you.   ::)

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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2013, 05:06:59 PM »
Read the constitution why don't you.   ::)
I will do you one better.  I already read the Federalist Papers from cover to cover a few years ago.

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Re: Kerry: 'Signatures of sarin' found in Syria
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2013, 05:19:20 PM »
He doesn`t have to.  The precedent for using military action in some instances without the approval has already been long set.  Are you not aware of this?
yes and Obama, Biden and Sanders along with many others are on record saying that without an actual attack or immanent threat, the president needs to get approval from Congress.  So you need to explain why they were wrong saying that, especially explain why Biden is wrong since he's the one who consulted leading constitutional scholars on it lol...  And just because a president does something it doesn't set a new precedent making it the absolute right.  You are aware of that right? lol...