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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: BFG on September 06, 2013, 09:56:33 AM
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Nothing ground breaking but I know how much you guys love reading about what the pros are taking. So, here you go, this was the offseason blast protocol of a well known IFBB pro who was trying to build as much mass as possible before going into contest prep.
heres a hint: hes well known for taking very long offseasons and not competing much.
enjoy.
note: most of the stuff is via email, faxed or scanned. if its faxed or scanned often times its in someones handwriting and so i just type it up in the forum post. I type most of the drug stacks up in the same easy to read format. that does not mean they are all done by the same guy (but you are correct to say they are all typed up by the same guy - myself).
Weeks 1-6
15iu humalog IM with breakfast
15iu humalog IM with lunch
15iu humulin-r IM pre workout
6iu serostim first thing in the morning
6iu serostim right before sleep
150mg anadrol everyday
1,200mg test cypionate weekly
1,000mg EQ weekly
1,000mg test propionate weekly
700mg TNE weekly
600mg nandralone deca weekly
1050mg NPP weekly
100mcg t4
25mcg t3
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamoxifen EOD
weeks 6-10
6iu serostim first thing in the morning
6iu serostim right before sleep
1,200mg test cyp weekly
1,000mg EQ weekly
600mg nandralone deca weekly
100mcg t4
25mcg t3
0.5mg anastrazole EOD
10mg tamoxifen EOD
weeks 11-17
20iu humalog IM with breakfast
20iu humalog IM with lunch
20iu humulin-r pre workout
6iu serostim first thing in the morning (Mon thru Fri)
6iu serostim after training (Mon thru Fri)
6iu serostim before bed (Mon thru Fri)
1,200mg test cyp weekly
1,400mg test prop weekly
1,050mg TNE weekly
1,000mg EQ weekly
600mg nandralone deca weekly
1,050mg NPP weekly
100mcg t4
25mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamoxifen EOD
begin contest prep
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thanks for sharing !
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Evan Centopani
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Nice solid cycle.
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Fuck, can only imagine what I would have looked like if I did one third of that stack!
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Ha ha, EVEN CENTO
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my goodness, where is this Pharmacy at?
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That's alot of compounds. I've noticed other pros will run say 3g test and 2g deca + orals, but this person prefers more compounds slightly lower dose. I know it's been asked and speculated about to death but I'd love to know how that's affordable, especially if it is EC who I'd be surprised if he spends any time putting shmoes under the towel.
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Nice solid cycle.
Interesting how he runs his T3 & T4.
Disgusted, care to speculate?
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BLAH BLAH BLAH. DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS.
What is RAMY's cycle? 10X that?
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I can't even pronounce half of that crap....what is all that? How do people afford all those drugs for daily/weekly use? How much does that cost a week and where do people get all that? The internet? Mexico? Mail order from Europe? Crooked doctor or pharmacist?
That looks like a nightmare.
People with legitimate and severe health problems don't put that many chemicals in their body. Do chemotherapy patients take that many drugs in the course of their treatments?
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IFBB pros are modern day drug addicts.
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I can't even pronounce half of that crap....what is all that? How do people afford all those drugs for daily/weekly use? How much does that cost a week and where do people get all that? The internet? Mexico? Mail order from Europe? Crooked doctor or pharmacist?
That looks like a nightmare.
People with legitimate and severe health problems don't put that many chemicals in their body. Do chemotheraphy patients take that many drugs?
To see these written out like that really puts it in perceptive. I am sure a lot of us have done the typical 500mgs of test, some anavar.... Even that is a pain in the ass. But this is mind boggling. Do they carry these with them when they are going out? Let's say they run errands on a Saturday, are they in the bathroom of a grocery store or mall shooting stuff?
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Interesting how he runs his T3 & T4.
Disgusted, care to speculate?
I'm speculating that this person is trying to keep the bodies correct ratio intact and if that is the case it's for naught.
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Doubtful this is true.
I know two pros and their cycles are NOTHING like that laundry list. Of course maybe if they took more they would actually have a chance of winning something.
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Interesting how he runs his T3 & T4.
Disgusted, care to speculate?
That is very common there. 4:1 ratio. T4 is converted to T3 in the body but only in the amounts that it needs and the purpose of taking a small dose of T3 along with it is to get some in there right away without having to wait for the conversion process to take place.
Broscience talk right there.
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The coach's cycle?
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Dexterity Jackson
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[... lots of drugs ....]
6iu serostim first thing in the morning (Mon thru Fri)
6iu serostim after training (Mon thru Fri)
6iu serostim before bed (Mon thru Fri)
[... lots of drugs ....]
Does he take the weekend off on this one ???
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Nothing ground breaking but I know how much you guys love reading about what the pros are taking. So, here you go, this was the offseason blast protocol of a well known IFBB pro who was trying to build as much mass as possible before going into contest prep.
heres a hint: hes well known for taking very long offseasons and not competing much.
enjoy.
note: most of the stuff is via email, faxed or scanned. if its faxed or scanned often times its in someones handwriting and so i just type it up in the forum post. I type most of the drug stacks up in the same easy to read format. that does not mean they are all done by the same guy (but you are correct to say they are all typed up by the same guy - myself).
Weeks 1-6
15iu humalog IM with breakfast
15iu humalog IM with lunch
15iu humulin-r IM pre workout
6iu serostim first thing in the morning
6iu serostim right before sleep
150mg anadrol everyday
1,200mg test cypionate weekly
1,000mg EQ weekly
1,000mg test propionate weekly
700mg TNE weekly
600mg nandralone deca weekly
1050mg NPP weekly
100mcg t4
25mcg t3
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamoxifen EOD
weeks 6-10
6iu serostim first thing in the morning
6iu serostim right before sleep
1,200mg test cyp weekly
1,000mg EQ weekly
600mg nandralone deca weekly
100mcg t4
25mcg t3
0.5mg anastrazole EOD
10mg tamoxifen EOD
weeks 11-17
20iu humalog IM with breakfast
20iu humalog IM with lunch
20iu humulin-r pre workout
6iu serostim first thing in the morning (Mon thru Fri)
6iu serostim after training (Mon thru Fri)
6iu serostim before bed (Mon thru Fri)
1,200mg test cyp weekly
1,400mg test prop weekly
1,050mg TNE weekly
1,000mg EQ weekly
600mg nandralone deca weekly
1,050mg NPP weekly
100mcg t4
25mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamoxifen EOD
begin contest prep
It¿s all fun and games until kidneys are fried.
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Even if cost was not a concern, how would u source all of this? Is it all through UGLs?
I'd have to imagine that any doctor prescribing all of these drugs, at least the ones that actually have legit pharmaceutical uses, would be facing potential loss of his/her license and maybe even criminal charges.
easy answer.
some pros are very good at making threre own oils.you would have to be able to at doses like that.
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Does he take the weekend off on this one ???
There is a 5 on 2 off theory when it comes to HGH. There are a lot of BS ideas out there. This one I think was a study based on HGH given to children. It also helps them stretch out their cycles to save on cost.
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Serious question, do you guys simply believe everything you read?
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BFG,
good to see you back.
question.
maybe youve seen Bostin loyds youtube vids.he talks about Dallas and a certain trainer.
wondered what your take was.seems the truth is there.hard to handle.
12 ius a day Serostim a day is gets me.it would break the bank.
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Serious question, do you guys simply believe everything you read?
I don't believe it in the slightest - even a well-off pro bodybuilder wouldn't take that amount - there would be no financial benefit in competing at all unless they got the vast majority of it for free.
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20 ius of GH daily off weekends should run you around $150 weekly.
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Serious question, do you guys simply believe everything you read?
This.
Many on the Internet seem to.
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BFG, thanks for posting.
What is the reason for deca AND eq? Seems like most will choose one or the other. Why not forgo EQ and just add more deca, since deca is the better anabolic
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To see these written out like that really puts it in perceptive. I am sure a lot of us have done the typical 500mgs of test, some anavar.... Even that is a pain in the ass. But this is mind boggling. Do they carry these with them when they are going out? Let's say they run errands on a Saturday, are they in the bathroom of a grocery store or mall shooting stuff?
I like pinning every other day but that's a monumental task for me, even though it's just 5-10 minutes in the washroom max. Sometimes I space it out and go twice a week. And then sometimes I just hate the needle so much I'll go off completely for weeks because it's so strenuous.
I can't imagine pinning thousands of times a day the way these guys do. I barely have enough time to shit, let alone pin drugs around the clock.
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How is this afforded?
Anabolic steroids are really, really cheap and often free. Pretty much anyone with a job can run as much gear as they want. The biggest expense is hgh. and it really isnt that big of an expense if you are using serostim. humatrope, genotropin, omnitrope, etc etc cost an arm and a leg even on the black market. but since many people who have prescriptions for serostim are HIV+ drug addicts, one can often obtain the sero kits for $100-200 each.
Why Deca and EQ?
I don't really know the specific reason for this bodybuilder. I am not him. But, I personally dont believe in the concept of deca and eq being mutually exclusive. More gear, more compounds = more results.
Also, its not Dexter Jackson.
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So it's Evan?
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Evan Centopani
I was thinking the same
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BFG, thanks for posting.
What is the reason for deca AND eq? Seems like most will choose one or the other. Why not forgo EQ and just add more deca, since deca is the better anabolic
My two cents. Deca and eq are two different drugs and are an excellent stack together. Again real life application forget the bro science.
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My two cents. Deca and eq are two different drugs and are an excellent stack together. Again real life application forget the bro science.
Thanks for commenting....
I guess the two seem to accomplish the same thing in my mind.
Test is test, tren is tren, orals are orals.... those are all distinct drugs. But deca and eq always seemed like they accomplished the same thing--mild anabolics with low sides. I guess since one is 19-nor while the other is a test derivative they might work in different mechanisms.
Just thinking out loud here if anyone else wants to chime in
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My two cents. Deca and eq are two different drugs and are an excellent stack together. Again real life application forget the bro science.
I know we have butted heads in the past on a topic or two but I strongly agree with this statement.
again, more drugs, more compounds = more results.
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I know we have butted heads in the past on a topic or two but I strongly agree with this statement.
again, more drugs, more compounds = more results.
Yeah I know bro no worries it's cool. Add some dbol and maybe some tren to that and these guys would be surprised at how much they would blow up.
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Its amazing what people are willing to go through for their fragile egos and vanity
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deca dose seems low..
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deca dose seems low..
It does.
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Hey BFG do any pros bother running HCG? If so what is the normal protocol?
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20 ius of GH daily off weekends should run you around $150 weekly.
126iu serostim is 700-800 bucks minimum from a decent source...so no
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126iu serostim is 700-800 bucks minimum from a decent source...so no
Don't be a fucking idiot. You just need the right connection.
My friend is scoring Serostim kits for $125 Canadian right now... if I didn't just pay $3k for property tax and another $3k for tuition I'd hit them up for sure. First time in a long while I've seen good legit GH become available to me but it is out there. It's just elusive.
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Don't be a fucking idiot. You just need the right connection.
My friend is scoring Serostim kits for $125 Canadian right now... if I didn't just pay $3k for property tax and another $3k for tuition I'd hit them up for sure. First time in a long while I've seen good legit GH become available to me but it is out there. It's just elusive.
pm box to become flooded in 3...2....
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i wont even waste my energy taking a shit without first pinning 40IU of red tops
bench
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Don't be a fucking idiot. You just need the right connection.
My friend is scoring Serostim kits for $125 Canadian right now... if I didn't just pay $3k for property tax and another $3k for tuition I'd hit them up for sure. First time in a long while I've seen good legit GH become available to me but it is out there. It's just elusive.
Really?? I would be highly suspicious, simply for the fact that they could be sold for 2-3x as much without the slightest drop off in demand.
Like Wtf the mind boggles at that price
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deca dose seems low..
cruise dose seems to be 1200 cyp and 600 deca, classic 2:1 ratio. And then adds 1g npp for blasts.
Seems plausible, if not on the lower side of things
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You have to spend most of your day in the bathroom injecting yourself. How do you do it?? You have to have no life and can't to anywhere
I'm curious to know how pros get their gear when traveling and competing? Especially when they leave the country for shows??
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Really?? I would be highly suspicious, simply for the fact that they could be sold for 2-3x as much without the slightest drop off in demand.
Like Wtf the mind boggles at that price
dustin is retarded...there are fake serostims going around I've seen them in Ireland too and used 'em, they're bunk
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126iu serostim is 700-800 bucks minimum from a decent source...so no
What planet are you buying them on?? lol A guy that I train gets them for $200 still wrapped in plastic from an AID's patient with the pharmacy script still on them. You can get decent Chinese GH for $130 per 100 iu kit. I guess it all boils down to having good connections.
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126iu serostim is 700-800 bucks minimum from a decent source...so no
only on gh 15s site
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20 ius of GH daily off weekends should run you around $150 weekly.
I don't feel so bad about getting older after reading this. :D
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What planet are you buying them on?? lol A guy that I train gets them for $200 still wrapped in plastic from an AID's patient with the pharmacy script still on them. You can get decent Chinese GH for $130 per 100 iu kit. I guess it all boils down to having good connections.
Won't be long before that connection dries up.
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My friend is scoring Serostim kits for $125 Canadian right now... if I didn't just pay $3k for property tax and another $3k for tuition I'd hit them up for sure. First time in a long while I've seen good legit GH become available to me but it is out there. It's just elusive.
Paying tuition + property tax in same week....I'd be grumpy as hell.
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What planet are you buying them on?? lol A guy that I train gets them for $200 still wrapped in plastic from an AID's patient with the pharmacy script still on them. You can get decent Chinese GH for $130 per 100 iu kit. I guess it all boils down to having good connections.
Yeah but he probably gets 1 kit a month, no? Getting any sort of quantity of pharmacy GH would cost you, or you'd have to know lots of fellas with AIDS
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Yeah but he probably gets 1 kit a month, no? Getting any sort of quantity of pharmacy GH would cost you, or you'd have to know lots of fellas with AIDS
There will always be places to get stuff you need. I know plenty of guys who do 20 ius daily and take weekends off when they are on. No one I know is paying 4K a month for GH.
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There will always be places to get stuff you need. I know plenty of guys who do 20 ius daily and take weekends off when they are on. No one I know is paying 4K a month for GH.
You have given me hope, sir
(Please post more :) )
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That's unbelievable.......
1mg of anastrozole every day?
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dustin is retarded...there are fake serostims going around I've seen them in Ireland too and used 'em, they're bunk
Fake... from the pharmacy, right? Does the pharmacy order them online from some shitty Chinese website like Alibaba or something? No... they order it from legit chains and it arrives after a couple of days. Like all the other hormones and peptides which they don't keep on hand, you call them a day or two in advance and they place the order. You roll up to a Shopper Drug Mart or any other pharmacy and you get a baggy from the fridge with your GH. Exactly the same process when I ordered my HCG and alfa follitropin.
You are a moron if you think it's not out there. How in the fuck would there be 260lb monsters at 5% body fat if there weren't affordable GH out there? These gay4pay fuckers aren't paying $2500 per kit. They're paying a hundred or two hundred, max. It's out there, you just have to look. These idiot bodybuilders obviously found ways to get their hands on affordable GH... how would you explain that? You either have to have HIV/AIDs, a midget, or have a severe wasting disease to get GH. Rejuvenation clinics sell it at full MRSP but insurance usually won't cover a dime, so that's a no go. It's usually from HIV/AIDs patients or hospital and pharmacy robberies.
It's not easy to find though. I've been ripped off more than I've been hooked up when it comes to GH. It always eludes me. And now that it's out there again I can't afford it lol... but my friend is growing like a weed. And yes, he drives with the person he gets his GH from to the pharmacy. I met with them after the gym to get sushi and the HIV/AIDs patient he gets it from was at the pharmacy waiting to get the script filled. I could smell the GH from outside of the bag too.
BTW, no source requests lol... no one's asked, and I doubt anyone will ask. Way too huge of a risk to send priceless shit like that through the mail. Not able to, unable to, and don't want to sell anything illegal. I don't even have the time or money to get any for myself.
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Paying tuition + property tax in same week....I'd be grumpy as hell.
Well, not in 1 week but I only get paid every two weeks so it feels like it's back to back. Being an adult sucks. I thought adults just went to the bank any time they needed a big wad of cash. :( ;D
Yes, grumpy as fuck too. Just got the first injectable gear I've had in a while and got sick right after the first injection. Cold's gone and I just blasted a couple mls. Gonna put my rage towards the weights. Haven't trained like a beast in a long while.
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Based on the hint I would guess Levrone.
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Fake... from the pharmacy, right? Does the pharmacy order them online from some shitty Chinese website like Alibaba or something? No... they order it from legit chains and it arrives after a couple of days. Like all the other hormones and peptides which they don't keep on hand, you call them a day or two in advance and they place the order. You roll up to a Shopper Drug Mart or any other pharmacy and you get a baggy from the fridge with your GH. Exactly the same process when I ordered my HCG and alfa follitropin.
You are a moron if you think it's not out there. How in the fuck would there be 260lb monsters at 5% body fat if there weren't affordable GH out there? These gay4pay fuckers aren't paying $2500 per kit. They're paying a hundred or two hundred, max. It's out there, you just have to look. These idiot bodybuilders obviously found ways to get their hands on affordable GH... how would you explain that? You either have to have HIV/AIDs, a midget, or have a severe wasting disease to get GH. Rejuvenation clinics sell it at full MRSP but insurance usually won't cover a dime, so that's a no go. It's usually from HIV/AIDs patients or hospital and pharmacy robberies.
It's not easy to find though. I've been ripped off more than I've been hooked up when it comes to GH. It always eludes me. And now that it's out there again I can't afford it lol... but my friend is growing like a weed. And yes, he drives with the person he gets his GH from to the pharmacy. I met with them after the gym to get sushi and the HIV/AIDs patient he gets it from was at the pharmacy waiting to get the script filled. I could smell the GH from outside of the bag too.
BTW, no source requests lol... no one's asked, and I doubt anyone will ask. Way too huge of a risk to send priceless shit like that through the mail. Not able to, unable to, and don't want to sell anything illegal. I don't even have the time or money to get any for myself.
Yeah but it's not like you can get an unlimited supply of gh through prescription. Probably like 1 a month, right? You made it sound like you knew some guy who had a pile of serostim and was selling them for $150.
And how do bodybuilders afford gh? Most take generic. Those that use pharmgrade and don't g4p deal. Buy a quantity, sell it for double, and poof--free gh.
It just defies logic that someone w a quantity of serostim would sell it for $150, since people would still go crazy for serostim at $400-500. Now if it's some AIDS patient who you know, it's a different story. But that's not really the same as saying "I know a guy w kits of serostim for $150"
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Yeah but it's not like you can get an unlimited supply of gh through prescription. Probably like 1 a month, right? You made it sound like you knew some guy who had a pile of serostim and was selling them for $150.
And how do bodybuilders afford gh? Most take generic. Those that use pharmgrade and don't g4p deal. Buy a quantity, sell it for double, and poof--free gh.
It just defies logic that someone w a quantity of serostim would sell it for $150, since people would still go crazy for serostim at $400-500. Now if it's some AIDS patient who you know, it's a different story. But that's not really the same as saying "I know a guy w kits of serostim for $150"
Just like any other esoteric circle, something as lucrative as selling your prescription to desperate bodybuilders gets spread around quickly. Just as fast as we spread it in our circles, they spread it in theirs. They usually don't take their GH as HIV meds are awesome now and it's not a death sentence like it used to be a couple decades ago, so it's essentially free money. The scripts that doctors can write for GH are enormous too as there's an industry collusion to push GH out the door (so everyone in the pharmaceutical industry makes a killing). Most are getting prescribed 24iu PER DAY or more... you tell me if that's a little or a lot. Remember, I am getting over a cold and I could smell the GH in a sushi joint. There's no better GH and each iu makes a difference.
There's lots of people doing this all over Canada and the US. And it might have been something changing with the Canadian insurance companies or something, but it's flooded the market. Friends working at the oil rigs in Alberta are all getting access to cheap GH, and my friends in Montreal are all enjoying the same thing. I'm not sure why it's sprung up on the market all of the sudden, but no one's complaining. I'm thinking it's probably some insurance coverage thing. They probably cover the scripts in full or increased coverage or something because friends from all over the place suddenly take tons of GH and are all paying the same price.
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Hmmmm you have given me further hope.
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Hmmmm you have given me further hope.
Don't go and get ripped off or anything. The risk with GH is a lot higher than with anything else. At least with gear you can pin it a few times and generally find out. Nothing to lose $50 from a vial of bunk or underdosed gear. But $500 or $5000 really fucking hurts.
I don't follow the scene half as much as I used to, but it seems to be out there. Just be vigilant and make sure the source is completely trusted. Or if it's at all possible, find someone to buy from personally. I've known guys who've hung out around methadone clinics and some of them are privy to the exchange (heard from friends that people were selling their GH scripts - anything that makes money spreads fast in the junkie community).
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Bodybuilding is insane. Cannot imagine doing all the bullshit it takes health, and legal risk wise.
This is coming from a guy who ordered big cases of pins, tons of shit from Europe, Russia and China, etc.
Yeah, I made money, but it was continually worrisome.
And I can't imagine doing all that crap. It would have to be Ativans all day.
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Bodybuilding is insane. Cannot imagine doing all the bullshit it takes health, and legal risk wise.
This is coming from a guy who ordered big cases of pins, tons of shit from Europe, Russia and China, etc.
Yeah, I made money, but it was continually worrisome.
And I can't imagine doing all that crap. It would have to be Ativans all day.
Well, now you see why every big one-person-source that crashes and burns always ends up the same.
Opiate or benzo addiction, acts erratic on the boards and messed up email and PM communications, you see things fall apart with the significant other and she leaves with the kids (big custody battle too, he'll bitch about this on the forum and say it's the reason for some falling behind), selective scamming, fucking up orders or just straight up ripping people off, brutal bust from the LEO either a controlled delivery (got sloppy and careless, authorities had enough to go in for the kill) and the little underground lab along with a generous amount of narcotics (rx label scratched out or made out to another patient) and it's in the local evening news for the next few days.
It's always exactly the same. I'm willing to bet the sources were probably just normal, mentally stable guys at the start. But anyone who's ever sold gear to juicers knows how it can drive anyone insane. Bunch of juiced up cry babies and drama queens. Very fucked up bunch, but I'm glad there are good guys who tolerate the BS. I couldn't tolerate that unless I was extremely high up and selling millions. Bodybuilders are the worst cry babies. Seen so many sources drop like flies after a short time.
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Dustin: I do not know what you mean that you can "smell" the GH. GH does not smell.
Also, the max prescribed dosage for AIDS wasting is 18iu per day. That is one 6mg vial of serostim. That is why the typical prescription is 4 boxes of 126iu serostim per month. Each box contains 7 6mg vials and 7 sterile water vials for each day of the week.
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Dustin: I do not know what you mean that you can "smell" the GH. GH does not smell.
Also, the max prescribed dosage for AIDS wasting is 18iu per day. That is one 6mg vial of serostim. That is why the typical prescription is 4 boxes of 126iu serostim per month. Each box contains 7 6mg vials and 7 sterile water vials for each day of the week.
Bingo. I wish I was that acquainted with GH kits. No one with HIV or AIDs would be able to tolerate 18iu per day. The sides and exorbitant cost don't add much when the newer generation of drugs works so well.
I believe the smell is mannitol. I have a couple kits of alfo follitropin still and I thought it had the same scent as GH. But maybe I'm wrong, or just smelling something else entirely like the box LOL ;D
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Well, now you see why every big one-person-source that crashes and burns always ends up the same.
Opiate or benzo addiction, acts erratic on the boards and messed up email and PM communications, you see things fall apart with the significant other and she leaves with the kids (big custody battle too, he'll bitch about this on the forum and say it's the reason for some falling behind), selective scamming, fucking up orders or just straight up ripping people off, brutal bust from the LEO either a controlled delivery (got sloppy and careless, authorities had enough to go in for the kill) and the little underground lab along with a generous amount of narcotics (rx label scratched out or made out to another patient) and it's in the local evening news for the next few days.
It's always exactly the same. I'm willing to bet the sources were probably just normal, mentally stable guys at the start. But anyone who's ever sold gear to juicers knows how it can drive anyone insane. Bunch of juiced up cry babies and drama queens. Very fucked up bunch, but I'm glad there are good guys who tolerate the BS. I couldn't tolerate that unless I was extremely high up and selling millions. Bodybuilders are the worst cry babies. Seen so many sources drop like flies after a short time.
so long as you stay anonymous you'll be ok. you can always control what YOU do, but you can rarely control what somebody else does. a biz partner gets high on coke and drunk at a bar and drives home, gets a dui and cops find 3 sealed cartons of open 10ml vials and a crimper and a 1/2g of coke or 2 adderalls and they get a warrant... before you know it he wants to have conversations on the phone and keeps saying your name.... or a gf gets irrational when you decide it's just not working out and you're leaving her, she threatens to call cops and let them onto your quarter-million $/year steroid distribution business, and she has camera-phone pics of your lab supplies..... crazy shit you won't see coming...... so it's better NOBODY knows, and you at least have a rental studio that you operate or store your shit at (prepaid a few months in advance always).
form Nevada corp's, and have Nevada corps form llc's and corps to deposit your money... never into your personal bank account... and never stash cash in your residence.(or products).
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so long as you stay anonymous you'll be ok. you can always control what YOU do, but you can rarely control what somebody else does. a biz partner gets high on coke and drunk at a bar and drives home, gets a dui and cops find 3 sealed cartons of open 10ml vials and a crimper and a 1/2g of coke or 2 adderalls and they get a warrant... before you know it he wants to have conversations on the phone and keeps saying your name.... or a gf gets irrational when you decide it's just not working out and you're leaving her, she threatens to call cops and let them onto your quarter-million $/year steroid distribution business, and she has camera-phone pics of your lab supplies..... crazy shit you won't see coming...... so it's better NOBODY knows, and you at least have a rental studio that you operate or store your shit at (prepaid a few months in advance always).
form Nevada corp's, and have Nevada corps form llc's and corps to deposit your money... never into your personal bank account... and never stash cash in your residence.(or products).
It's way too easy to get popped in this day and age. EXIF data in photos, IP addressing and browsing data left on your computer, or like you said an erratic girlfriend who decides to go batshit crazy and tell everyone about your operation!
It's just not worth it to try pulling that off. Everyone should always treat every bit of electronic communication as something that's being recording, so anything you say or do digitally should be something you're confident to have read by a judge in a court of law! Always have nothing more than a small personal stash and just leave it at that.
If you build up any sort of assets through illegal means, you should be comfortable with it being seized along with legally purchased assets. Too easy for people to say you invested with proceeds of crime and take it all away. I'd hate to lose the house for selling some gym douche a few vials to round off his cycle. :-X
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It's way too easy to get popped in this day and age. EXIF data in photos, IP addressing and browsing data left on your computer, or like you said an erratic girlfriend who decides to go batshit crazy and tell everyone about your operation!
It's just not worth it to try pulling that off. Everyone should always treat every bit of electronic communication as something that's being recording, so anything you say or do digitally should be something you're confident to have read by a judge in a court of law! Always have nothing more than a small personal stash and just leave it at that.
If you build up any sort of assets through illegal means, you should be comfortable with it being seized along with legally purchased assets. Too easy for people to say you invested with proceeds of crime and take it all away. I'd hate to lose the house for selling some gym douche a few vials to round off his cycle. :-X
which is why you form NV corp's, and have those NV corp's for real estate holding co's or LLC's (too many rules for REITS), and buy the homes with those companies, and rent them to yourself. At least that way you're insulated and if you do get popped, nothing is in your name and you have a legitimate income source.
moving the money and assets is the easiest part of the whole thing. it's getting in kg's of raw's every month that gets worrisome, esp when you gotta go pick up the raw at the post office. lol. 30k/month worth of product and you're looking at 3-5kg's of raw every month. (figure 3 orders/day, avg order $300.. 27k/month.)
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which is why you form NV corp's, and have those NV corp's for real estate holding co's or LLC's (too many rules for REITS), and buy the homes with those companies, and rent them to yourself. At least that way you're insulated and if you do get popped, nothing is in your name and you have a legitimate income source.
moving the money and assets is the easiest part of the whole thing. it's getting in kg's of raw's every month that gets worrisome, esp when you gotta go pick up the raw at the post office. lol. 30k/month worth of product and you're looking at 3-5kg's of raw every month. (figure 3 orders/day, avg order $300.. 27k/month.)
In Canada you can get caught with boxes of gear and a lot of the time no one will give you any trouble. But order a baggy or two of raws and they book gets thrown at your face. I would never risk bringing in raws. I really want to brew my own gear though. Fucking blows...
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And what does such a stack cost and where does the money come from?
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I sell shit on the side to some of my clients and people who ask for it but I get it from a dealer and just mark up the price, I would never get into selling gear on a big scale too many risks.
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200 for 126 i.u.'s
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To see these written out like that really puts it in perceptive. I am sure a lot of us have done the typical 500mgs of test, some anavar.... Even that is a pain in the ass. But this is mind boggling. Do they carry these with them when they are going out? Let's say they run errands on a Saturday, are they in the bathroom of a grocery store or mall shooting stuff?
Surely, you would know whose in public restrooms. Isn't this where you find sex?
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200 for 126 i.u.'s
I'll take 5.
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Nothing ground breaking but I know how much you guys love reading about what the pros are taking. So, here you go, this was the offseason blast protocol of a well known IFBB pro who was trying to build as much mass as possible before going into contest prep.
heres a hint: hes well known for taking very long offseasons and not competing much.
enjoy.
note: most of the stuff is via email, faxed or scanned. if its faxed or scanned often times its in someones handwriting and so i just type it up in the forum post. I type most of the drug stacks up in the same easy to read format. that does not mean they are all done by the same guy (but you are correct to say they are all typed up by the same guy - myself).
Weeks 1-6
15iu humalog IM with breakfast
15iu humalog IM with lunch
15iu humulin-r IM pre workout
6iu serostim first thing in the morning
6iu serostim right before sleep
150mg anadrol everyday
1,200mg test cypionate weekly
1,000mg EQ weekly
1,000mg test propionate weekly
700mg TNE weekly
600mg nandralone deca weekly
1050mg NPP weekly
100mcg t4
25mcg t3
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamoxifen EOD
weeks 6-10
6iu serostim first thing in the morning
6iu serostim right before sleep
1,200mg test cyp weekly
1,000mg EQ weekly
600mg nandralone deca weekly
100mcg t4
25mcg t3
0.5mg anastrazole EOD
10mg tamoxifen EOD
weeks 11-17
20iu humalog IM with breakfast
20iu humalog IM with lunch
20iu humulin-r pre workout
6iu serostim first thing in the morning (Mon thru Fri)
6iu serostim after training (Mon thru Fri)
6iu serostim before bed (Mon thru Fri)
1,200mg test cyp weekly
1,400mg test prop weekly
1,050mg TNE weekly
1,000mg EQ weekly
600mg nandralone deca weekly
1,050mg NPP weekly
100mcg t4
25mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamoxifen EOD
begin contest prep
Horseshit....even Obama isn't that stupid.
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It¿s all fun and games until kidneys are fried.
That's when it's fun for the bystanders. So, thanks in advance.
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lol @ people saying bbers arent drug addicts. :-\ :-\
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Horseshit....even Obama isn't that stupid.
only thing i find wierd is that he mentioned the deca at 600mg and npp at over a gram.......ive never seen that before.
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What planet are you buying them on?? lol A guy that I train gets them for $200 still wrapped in plastic from an AID's patient with the pharmacy script still on them. You can get decent Chinese GH for $130 per 100 iu kit. I guess it all boils down to having good connections.
Seriously? That's half polish price everyone I know screams, and they are competitors, european IFBB level.
What I'm interested in this cycle is why the fuck he uses arimidex when he could use aromasin which is WAY better, both for lipids and in practical use (suicide inhibitor).
Disgusted do you think that there is still someone who does low test and high anabolics nowadays? And do you think the "high test" trend is the reason why everyone is so fucking bloated nowadays (see Centopani with double chin @ 5% bf).
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Bingo. I wish I was that acquainted with GH kits. No one with HIV or AIDs would be able to tolerate 18iu per day. The sides and exorbitant cost don't add much when the newer generation of drugs works so well.
I believe the smell is mannitol. I have a couple kits of alfo follitropin still and I thought it had the same scent as GH. But maybe I'm wrong, or just smelling something else entirely like the box LOL ;D
serostim does not have mannitol as a filler.
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I'd be interested to know if there are successful pros getting by on generic chinese GH. Doses listed seem legit to me, although I would have expected insulin doses to be higher for pros.
The numbers look huge, but really when you think about it, the test is high in there to work with all that pharma gh. The Nandrolone and EQ dont seem that high to me. Some folks can run EQ sky high (2+ grams per week) and get good results and no sides. Nandrolone around 1 gram weekly is no big deal if you aren't prone to negative side effects from it. Its just that you see all these things stacked together makes it look intimidating.
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I'd be interested to know if there are successful pros getting by on generic chinese GH. Doses listed seem legit to me, although I would have expected insulin doses to be higher for pros.
The numbers look huge, but really when you think about it, the test is high in there to work with all that pharma gh. The Nandrolone and EQ dont seem that high to me. Some folks can run EQ sky high (2+ grams per week) and get good results and no sides. Nandrolone around 1 gram weekly is no big deal if you aren't prone to negative side effects from it. Its just that you see all these things stacked together makes it look intimidating.
i know one who actually turned pro without any gh at all.
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What's hard yo believe about the doses? These guys are the biggest and leanest in the world for a reason. They have to use all of that to compete.
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Seriously? That's half polish price everyone I know screams, and they are competitors, european IFBB level.
What I'm interested in this cycle is why the fuck he uses arimidex when he could use aromasin which is WAY better, both for lipids and in practical use (suicide inhibitor).
Disgusted do you think that there is still someone who does low test and high anabolics nowadays? And do you think the "high test" trend is the reason why everyone is so fucking bloated nowadays (see Centopani with double chin @ 5% bf).
Either GH is real or it isn't I never understood how some guys rave about a certain GH being so much better than others. IF that is the case then it's bunk GH period. All real GH is the same.
Chinese GH can be good, for example. A friend of mine was using tren deca I think some mast and something else I can not remember but doesn't really matter. He wasn't using any insulin or test. He added in some GH (Chinese) at 30 iu's daily. He put on 18 pounds in roughly a month and was bigger and leaner.
No, I don't think that test is the reason for guys looking like they a preggo on stage.
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I've seen legitimate testing of hygetropin and riptropin ;)
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only thing i find wierd is that he mentioned the deca at 600mg and npp at over a gram.......ive never seen that before.
It's tough to manipulate blast dosages w long esters. Run test e & deca as the base dosage, add test prop/npp/orals for 6-8 week blasts
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Disgusted raises a good point: There is no such thing as good, bad or mediocre GH. There is real GH, fake GH and inaccurately dosed GH.
Lately a lot of competitors are talking about serum tests being performed on various steroid forums as an indicator of hgh quality. I spoke to somebody about this at length and this person (who knows his shit about hgh and bodybuilding drugs in general) firmly believes that chinese gh is often filled with other GH releasing peptides as well as other random fillers. The GH releasing peptides would account for the high serum tests coming from various chinese brands. The fillers, he said, are the reason so many people get so bloated on chinese GH.
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Disgusted raises a good point: There is no such thing as good, bad or mediocre GH. There is real GH, fake GH and inaccurately dosed GH.
Lately a lot of competitors are talking about serum tests being performed on various steroid forums as an indicator of hgh quality. I spoke to somebody about this at length and this person (who knows his shit about hgh and bodybuilding drugs in general) firmly believes that chinese gh is often filled with other GH releasing peptides as well as other random fillers. The GH releasing peptides would account for the high serum tests coming from various chinese brands. The fillers, he said, are the reason so many people get so bloated on chinese GH.
Well, Chinese people put melamine in baby formula so when it's tested it'll read as having a high nitrogen/protein content. Rat insulin and other shit have been found in other peptides too. Welp! :-X