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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Mclovin on September 21, 2013, 05:56:02 PM
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Is this legit 3%?
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I believe he was already dead in this picture but I would say yea 3%
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Negative .00003.
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but his stomach was never ripped look at the bloated stomach
never understood how his arms legs and face look liked zero and his stomach looked like 10 just like Boyer, Larry, etc
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Why is it that his abs (of all body parts) could never get that shredded look? I always thought that was odd.
Nevermind.
but his stomach was never ripped look at the bloated stomach
never understood how his arms legs and face look liked zero and his stomach looked like 10 just like Boyer, Larry, etc
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If Flex Wheeler claimed 0% at 1 week out, what would Munzer be?
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no fat on his arms and legs and face
stomach held all of the fat and water
boyer coe, larry scott, etc
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"Come at me bro."
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What was going on inside his body was definitely in direct opposition to what was going on on the outside of his body.
I would imagine since his internal organs were on the verge of giving out completely, the muscles and skin nearest that area probably showed distention and retention for good (?) reason ~
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EQEg9KnZJUM/Tba7B-lwYxI/AAAAAAAAHHQ/YFnnG2I_nfw/s1600/andreas%2Bmunzer%2B3.jpg)
(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/3/f/3f482-andreas_munzer5.jpg)
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this is galineko's boy,,,legit shredded to the bone ,could not make dent in ifbb in 90's ..great bber tho hamidulla..
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So is 3% actually possible? What percentage do guys like Cutler get to?
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Dude was ripped, but had he never died from cutting drugs, he'd just be another bodybuilder. A lot had low body fat, he was just like any other.
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Another dude bodybuilding killed. What a fucked up lifestyle.
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Another dude bodybuilding killed. What a fucked up lifestyle.
did u ever see his cycle posted.
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i seen gymrats alleged cycles coming kinda close to that.
yeah but cytomel,diuretic/thyroid his blood was like jelly 'alledgedly.
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did u ever see his cycle posted.
No idea what he, or any of the others, were taking. Just know it never ends well.
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So is 3% actually possible? What percentage do guys like Cutler get to?
CALIPERS are not designed to read zero %, the lowest reading possible is 1.5 and that is scoring every single bodypart thinner then your eyelids which MUNZER certainly comes very close to doing, so 2% FOR SURE
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Dude was ripped, but had he never died from cutting drugs, he'd just be another bodybuilder. A lot had low body fat, he was just like any other.
At that point in time, about 15 to 20 years ago, Munzer was probably the most shredded guy around.
Granted, almost 2 decades later, he'd be one of the pack.
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Hamdulla is ripped in the stomach though
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high 3s,low 4s.
very few can go high 3s.
but pros, when going full out, itll be low 4% range.
Not with calipers, he would be lower then 3, he would be in the 2% range, would that be his actual legit bodyfat? I do not know but that is what calipers would read.
Calipers read the lowest out of all tests and the 9 fold reads the absolute lowest. I have seen guys read 5% on calipers and then score 9% on the electronic shit so apples and oranges here
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After months of stomach pain, Münzer was admitted to hospital on the morning of March 12. By 7pm, doctors had decided to operate to stop bleeding from his stomach, but shortly afterwards his liver and then kidneys failed. His condition by this point was too severe for a blood transfusion—he died on the morning of March 14, aged 31.[1][2]
The autopsy gave the cause of death as dystrophic multiple-organ-failure.[3] Some of the specific autopsy findings:[3]
An extremely muscular physique, with an almost complete absence of subcutaneous fat
Affecting the liver were numerous table-tennis-ball-sized tumors; half the liver consisted simply of a crumbly mass, similar to polystyrene (Styrofoam)
Diminutive testes
Cardiac hypertrophy (Münzer's heart weighed 636g; a normal man's heart usually weighs 300–350g)
Münzer's electrolytes were also completely out of balance, and his potassium levels were extremely high. Traces of about twenty different drugs were found, along with acute toxicity (perhaps caused by a stimulant).
Schwarzenegger sent a wreath to Münzer's funeral in Styria, with the message 'A last greeting to a friend.'[citation needed]
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:(
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After months of stomach pain, Münzer was admitted to hospital on the morning of March 12. By 7pm, doctors had decided to operate to stop bleeding from his stomach, but shortly afterwards his liver and then kidneys failed. His condition by this point was too severe for a blood transfusion—he died on the morning of March 14, aged 31.[1][2]
The autopsy gave the cause of death as dystrophic multiple-organ-failure.[3] Some of the specific autopsy findings:[3]
An extremely muscular physique, with an almost complete absence of subcutaneous fat
Affecting the liver were numerous table-tennis-ball-sized tumors; half the liver consisted simply of a crumbly mass, similar to polystyrene (Styrofoam)
Diminutive testes
Cardiac hypertrophy (Münzer's heart weighed 636g; a normal man's heart usually weighs 300–350g)
Münzer's electrolytes were also completely out of balance, and his potassium levels were extremely high. Traces of about twenty different drugs were found, along with acute toxicity (perhaps caused by a stimulant).
Schwarzenegger sent a wreath to Münzer's funeral in Styria, with the message 'A last greeting to a friend.'[citation needed]
Jesus.
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(http://www.strength-oldschool.com/uploads/1304333471/med_gallery_1_4_206574.jpg)
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Would have to say his BF% is a bit lower now.
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(http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachments/%2018873d1190751016-larry-scott-64-larryscott.jpg%20.att)
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agreed agreed.
seems like munzers death was caused by a diuretic, the hig otassium levels hint at that.
damn how could he mess up the pottasium thing, wasnt that known back then
The diuretics seem to seriously be the final touch. If that report was accurate, he didn't have long to live anyway.
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(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT1_antvXWLUFqlfqADS0Pzb3_tReZxj0NwRi2Hfudi_IwpRTKW)
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(http://www.ambal.ru/02370482915.jpg)
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agreed agreed.
seems like munzers death was caused by a diuretic, the hig otassium levels hint at that.
damn how could he mess up the pottasium thing, wasnt that known back then
he was the type to take diuretics for every occasion multiple times a week, at this point it is not the diuretics or dehydration that would kill you but the kidneys giving out and they don't give out from diuretics but from depleting electrolytes over and over again repetitively week in week out
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(http://www.ambal.ru/02370482915.jpg)
face arms and legs were crazy shredded but stomach was always bloated and fat
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That is about the lowest BF someone can have while a live.
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Affecting the liver were numerous table-tennis-ball-sized tumors; half the liver consisted simply of a crumbly mass, similar to polystyrene (Styrofoam)
Sounds fun. :o
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He died for you bitches
>:(
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"damn how could he mess up the pottasium thing, wasnt that known back then"
- lol, no he was waiting for you to teach him the thing ;D
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this is galineko's boy,,,legit shredded to the bone ,could not make dent in ifbb in 90's ..great bber tho hamidulla..
any idea what his height/weight is there?
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this is galineko's boy,,,legit shredded to the bone ,could not make dent in ifbb in 90's ..great bber tho hamidulla..
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=494255.0;attach=535959;image)
And still looks excellent 20+ years later. Never played the "size game", and this pays off at an older age.
(http://www.team-andro.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10005/normal_2011-04-16_16-36-44_118.jpg) (http://www.dbfv.de/img/Aykutlug2010.jpg)
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EQEg9KnZJUM/Tba7B-lwYxI/AAAAAAAAHHQ/YFnnG2I_nfw/s1600/andreas%2Bmunzer%2B3.jpg)
(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/3/f/3f482-andreas_munzer5.jpg)
The point of no return...
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he was the type to take diuretics for every occasion multiple times a week, at this point it is not the diuretics or dehydration that would kill you but the kidneys giving out and they don't give out from diuretics but from depleting electrolytes over and over again repetitively week in week out
He was also one to stay super lean off season , the abuse was to another level
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At that point in time, about 15 to 20 years ago, Munzer was probably the most shredded guy around.
Granted, almost 2 decades later, he'd be one of the pack.
U are saying the guys today are more shredded? Heck no today's guys are heavily GH and insulin users
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but his stomach was never ripped look at the bloated stomach
never understood how his arms legs and face look liked zero and his stomach looked like 10 just like Boyer, Larry, etc
Exactly I brought this up years ago.
His abs are surprisingly fat in comparison to the rest of him.
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Exactly I brought this up years ago.
His abs are surprisingly fat in comparison to the rest of him.
Hams and glutes were never shredded either. Geneticaly insane striations on chest and delts gave him the illusion of being more shredded than he was.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=350316.0;attach=385130;image)
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After months of stomach pain, Münzer was admitted to hospital on the morning of March 12. By 7pm, doctors had decided to operate to stop bleeding from his stomach, but shortly afterwards his liver and then kidneys failed. His condition by this point was too severe for a blood transfusion—he died on the morning of March 14, aged 31.[1][2]
The autopsy gave the cause of death as dystrophic multiple-organ-failure.[3] Some of the specific autopsy findings:[3]
An extremely muscular physique, with an almost complete absence of subcutaneous fat
Affecting the liver were numerous table-tennis-ball-sized tumors; half the liver consisted simply of a crumbly mass, similar to polystyrene (Styrofoam)
Diminutive testes
Cardiac hypertrophy (Münzer's heart weighed 636g; a normal man's heart usually weighs 300–350g)
Münzer's electrolytes were also completely out of balance, and his potassium levels were extremely high. Traces of about twenty different drugs were found, along with acute toxicity (perhaps caused by a stimulant).
Schwarzenegger sent a wreath to Münzer's funeral in Styria, with the message 'A last greeting to a friend.'[citation needed]
By the Great White Christ, did this man ever do ANY blood tests? I can't imagine that his liver and kidney values weren't off the charts. With liver damage of that magnitude, he would have set off sirens at any hematology lab.
Also, the "diminutive testes" comment was just kicking a dead man at that point. Irrelevant to his mortality unless to draw a conclusion to steriod use.
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nah munzer was taken advantage of greatly from some reckless magazine and gym owner, his employer.
he just went way too far, mindlessly.
This. Munzer was just a dumb farmberboy, naive beyond imagination, who thought he could follow in Arnolds footsteps and died chasing those pipe dream.
Few weeks after he had passed away he was replaced by another "golden boy" from the reckless magazine and gym owners.
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This. Munzer was just a dumb farmberboy, naive beyond imagination, who thought he could follow in Arnolds footsteps and died chasing those pipe dream.
Few weeks after he had passed away he was replaced by another "golden boy" from the reckless magazine and gym owners.
Is there a reason that nobody is naming the "reckless magazine" and "gym owners?" Didn't the old one just die recently?
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who gives a fuck about "bodyfat %"..
it's about how you look at that bodyfat. all about genetics and muscle shape. i know a lot of people with lower bf% then me yet their midesection doesnt "pop" like mine. they dont look as visually impressive simply because of the shape or depth. luck of the draw ladies and gents. after that comes hard word and consistency. only then topped off with drug use.
Add to that, LOL @ trying to judge bf% from a picture. I can take 2 identicle pics of myself with the only difference being lighting. in 1 pic you guys would say I look 6% and in the bad lighting pic you would say I'm 10%..
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who gives a fuck about "bodyfat %"..
it's about how you look at that bodyfat. all about genetics and muscle shape. i know a lot of people with lower bf% then me yet their midesection doesnt "pop" like mine. they dont look as visually impressive simply because of the shape or depth. luck of the draw ladies and gents. after that comes hard word and consistency. only then topped off with drug use.
Add to that, LOL @ trying to judge bf% from a picture. I can take 2 identicle pics of myself with the only difference being lighting. in 1 pic you guys would say I look 6% and in the bad lighting pic you would say I'm 10%..
some people are motivated on numbers, to each their own, some people say ''who gives a fuck about abs'' ;)
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Onetimehard is exactly right. The kidney failure causes chronically elevated potassium. Most hard diuretics (not spironolactone) cause potassium loss and require patients to be on potassium supplements. Elevated potassium can cause major arrhythmias too. Getting very dehydrated over and over (and NSAIDS) are hell on the kidney...not to mention all the other crap he took. Love seeing these pics (many now don't get as ripped, I imagine they didn't use GH and insulin as much in the 80s and early 90s) but not worth what it takes to get there.
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Onetimehard is exactly right. The kidney failure causes chronically elevated potassium. Most hard diuretics (not spironolactone) cause potassium loss and require patients to be on potassium supplements. Elevated potassium can cause major arrhythmias too. Getting very dehydrated over and over (and NSAIDS) are hell on the kidney...not to mention all the other crap he took. Love seeing these pics (many now don't get as ripped, I imagine they didn't use GH and insulin as much in the 80s and early 90s) but not worth what it takes to get there.
excellent post :)
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some people are motivated on numbers, to each their own, some people say ''who gives a fuck about abs'' ;)
i say numbers are meaningless if you look like garbage. *cough* branch warren *cough*
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After months of stomach pain, Münzer was admitted to hospital on the morning of March 12. By 7pm, doctors had decided to operate to stop bleeding from his stomach, but shortly afterwards his liver and then kidneys failed. His condition by this point was too severe for a blood transfusion—he died on the morning of March 14, aged 31.[1][2]
The autopsy gave the cause of death as dystrophic multiple-organ-failure.[3] Some of the specific autopsy findings:[3]
An extremely muscular physique, with an almost complete absence of subcutaneous fat
Affecting the liver were numerous table-tennis-ball-sized tumors; half the liver consisted simply of a crumbly mass, similar to polystyrene (Styrofoam)
Diminutive testes
Cardiac hypertrophy (Münzer's heart weighed 636g; a normal man's heart usually weighs 300–350g)
Münzer's electrolytes were also completely out of balance, and his potassium levels were extremely high. Traces of about twenty different drugs were found, along with acute toxicity (perhaps caused by a stimulant).
Schwarzenegger sent a wreath to Münzer's funeral in Styria, with the message 'A last greeting to a friend.'[citation needed]
:o Wow!!!
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This. Munzer was just a dumb farmberboy, naive beyond imagination, who thought he could follow in Arnolds footsteps and died chasing those pipe dream.
Few weeks after he had passed away he was replaced by another "golden boy" from the reckless magazine and gym owners.
A few weeks? -lol... the next day.
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I believe he was already dead in this picture but I would say yea 3%
:D ;D
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i say numbers are meaningless if you look like garbage. *cough* branch warren *cough*
bro I was a personal trainer for ions and still do but only for contest prep. Anyhow a portion of my income would be on dieting as i offered this service on top of training.
SAY GOOD BYE TO HALF YOUR INCOME IF YO DO NOT DISCUSS NUMBERS WITH YOUR CLIENTS, IT IS WHAT'S SPARKS THEIR DRIVE KNOWING I CAN GET THEM TO 8% BODYFAT
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So is 3% actually possible? What percentage do guys like Cutler get to?
there is no such a thing as 3% bf. The lowest you can get with out heart failure is 3.5 bf % and can last only for a couple hours.
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there is no such a thing as 3% bf. The lowest you can get with out heart failure is 3.5 bf % and can last only for a couple hours.
You might be right if you are referring to a technological form of testing but you are not right if you are referring to calipers. I have calipers read 3% on at least 3 to 4 people I have tested in the past, calipers can easily read 3%
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yeah, but 3.5 is in the 3s, so yeah.
actually we gave this guy a caliper test in 2006 at the provincials here, he was 150lb and the most shredded guy I have ever seen, striations in his face and you can stick your fingers in between his abs and obliques and actually feel his internal organs. GUY WAS PEELED and the calipers had a reading of very low 2% range
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Surprised Andreas wasn't more vascular with the epic leans.
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Surprised Andreas wasn't more vascular with the epic leans.
He is too dehydrated. Veins don't show good when not well hydrated.
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actually we gave this guy a caliper test in 2006 at the provincials here, he was 150lb and the most shredded guy I have ever seen, striations in his face and you can stick your fingers in between his abs and obliques and actually feel his internal organs. GUY WAS PEELED and the calipers had a reading of very low 2% range
calipers are bs and never gives an accurate estimate, not even close. there is no way in earth someone can be 2 bf. andreas mentzer abused the hell out of drugs to get 3%. look what happend to him.
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calipers are bs and never gives an accurate estimate, not even close. there is no way in earth someone can be 2 bf. andreas mentzer abused the hell out of drugs to get 3%. look what happend to him.
maybe, but that is a different argument for a different day. Bodybuilders use calipers so if one says they are 3%, fine maybe they are not but what they mean is the calipers read 3%
regardless of it actually works out to a true measurement or not, it is still a valid method to go by to make progress, what you guys are arguing is semantics, big deal.
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At the time of his dead it was said he had several tennis ball size cysts in his liver. Don't know if true.