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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Wolfox on October 22, 2013, 06:17:33 PM
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In a legit org too. No quarter squats and triple ply bench shirts.
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Lord, if this doesn't bait Galeniko back, nothing will.
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In all serious, watching Layne over the years, I believe he is natural. He's built up his physique slowly, has the natty p4p strength that natty bbers are known for, and he's NEVER ballooned up overnight.
The dude is just a persistent obsessive fuck.
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His squat and dead numbers look good, but is it just me or is his bench really weak?
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Layne owns the haters
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those were awesome Good Mornings but where's the squats? ??? ???
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His squat and dead numbers look good, but is it just me or is his bench really weak?
Tore his pec a few years ago. He used to be more of a presser in his younger years.
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yes agreed nice work liar nortrom all natty 6-700lb dl and squat!!!!
fuck da haters
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His squat and dead numbers look good, but is it just me or is his bench really weak?
I don't think so. For his style of benching I think the bench strength is as developed as the rest.
I don't know if there's any proposed ideal strength ratio between the lifts but the bench doesn't seem weak to me.
yes agreed nice work liar nortrom all natty 6-700lb dl and squat!!!!
fuck da haters
Those numbers are within the realm of possibility. Rare but possible.
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A lot of steroid users started juicing early which is why it's common to hear on the boards that you max out after 2 years of natural training but anyone who has actually trained natural for some time knows thats not true. It's total bs. It's often at the 2 year mark where you're really learning your own body and how it responds to different training and diet. Some of my best quality gains were at year 3 and 4.
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A lot of steroid users started juicing early which is why it's common to hear on the boards that you max out after 2 years of natural training but anyone whose actually trained natural for some time knows thats not true. It's total bs. It's often at the 2 year mark where you're really learning your own body and how it responds to different training and diet. Some of my best quality gains were at year 3 and 4.
It's BS only if it's like the bolded where you had no clue what you were doing at first.
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A lot of steroid users started juicing early which is why it's common to hear on the boards that you max out after 2 years of natural training but anyone whose actually trained natural for some time knows thats not true. It's total bs. It's often at the 2 year mark where you're really learning your own body and how it responds to different training and diet. Some of my best quality gains were at year 3 and 4.
I love getbig but the layne hating is plain fucking retarded. We really come off as low acheiving cynical idiots when we shit on layne.
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say your prayers and take your vitamins kids
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His squat and dead numbers look good, but is it just me or is his bench really weak?
No, it's not.
Good lifting all around. Congrats to the dude.
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It's BS only if it's like the bolded where you had no clue what you were doing at first.
No. There are different workout programs. Different ideas on the best rep ranges and volume. You have to experiment to find out what works best for you. Not everyone responds the same to certain training methods.
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No. There are different workout programs. Different ideas on the best rep ranges and volume. You have to experiment to find out what works best for you. Not everyone responds the same to certain training methods.
I disagree. There's a red thread in every effective hypertrophy program. There aren't really vastly different programs which work differently for different people. Humans aren't really that dissimilar, our muscles work the same.
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5'10 220lbs (at least) 10% was this a tested comp?
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I disagree. There's a red thread in every effective hypertrophy program. There aren't really vastly different programs which work differently for different people. Humans aren't really that dissimilar, our muscles work the same.
Not vastly different but there are differences and there is a sweet spot for the individual.
Different training volume = different result for different people.
Eur J Appl Physiol. 2011 Dec;111(12):3007-16. doi: 10.1007/s00421-011-1944-x. Epub 2011 Mar 31.
Strength and neuromuscular adaptation following one, four, and eight sets of high intensity resistance exercise in trained males.
Marshall PW, McEwen M, Robbins DW.
Source
School of Biomedical and Health Science, University of Western Sydney, Sydney, Australia. p.marshall@uws.edu.au
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/strength-and-neuromuscular-adaptation-following-one-four-and-eight-sets-of-high-intensity-resistance-exercise-in-trained-males-research-review.html
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In all serious, watching Layne over the years, I believe he is natural. He's built up his physique slowly, has the natty p4p strength that natty bbers are known for, and he's NEVER ballooned up overnight.
The dude is just a persistent obsessive fuck.
I believe this as well....even though he had a strange connection with Envizion medical previously. I still say what he's done is achievable naturally.
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It's not hard to find what works for you. You just have to put in the time, experiment, observe, and listen to your body. All too often people who start juicing too early never learn what works best for them. They just mindlessly go through motions and depend on the juice for the results. The don't understand the importance of training. The natural can NOT afford to just go through the motions without using his mind. He needs to be perfectly in-tune with his body, training and nutrition.
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A lot of steroid users started juicing early which is why it's common to hear on the boards that you max out after 2 years of natural training but anyone who has actually trained natural for some time knows thats not true. It's total bs. It's often at the 2 year mark where you're really learning your own body and how it responds to different training and diet. Some of my best quality gains were at year 3 and 4.
Exactly. My 5th year training natty was my best...every year was an improvement. Im still yet to experience a "plateau", even with gear.
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liar nortrom has better stats than arnold in his prime.
I guess arnold never tried high rep squats.
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Layne clearly has the most elite .00000000001% of genetics on earthm
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so apparantly layne gains more strength and muscle than the rest of us naturally because of WHY exactly?
you guys are stupid never asking why?
if hes so smart there should be 20 people hes trained by now with crazy lift numbers
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so apparantly layne gains more strength and muscle than the rest of us naturally because of WHY exactly?
you guys are stupid never asking why?
if hes so smart there should be 20 people hes trained by now with crazy lift numbers
I dunno about his PLing but he's had a ton if clients win pro cards
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His squat and dead numbers look good, but is it just me or is his bench really weak?
How much does he Bench? ???
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His squat and dead numbers look good, but is it just me or is his bench really weak?
Not really. Like AAU Power lifting, seems this organization wants feet flat and no arch. I believe others like USPA, IPF, etc you can arch as long as but shoulder and head are down and feet dont have to be flat but rather just contact with the floor, you can add about 30+ pounds to that lift.
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Yes Layne tore his chest not too long ago... but dude just kept on going!! Good for him!!!
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2010/layne_norton_comeback_3_a.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2010/layne_norton_comeback_3_b.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2010/layne_norton_comeback_3_d.jpg)
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Nothing wrong with an almost 400 press in a meet. Props
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Yes Layne tore his chest not too long ago... but dude just kept on going!! Good for him!!!
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2010/layne_norton_comeback_3_a.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2010/layne_norton_comeback_3_b.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2010/layne_norton_comeback_3_d.jpg)
Any pictures of the massive bruising that comes with a torn muscle or only all covered up(no homo)...Cutler tried to pull off a torn bicep when every knows it was SEO abcess...
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Why don't some of you who claim he's natural explain the onset of puffy(bitch) nips in some shots but not in others at the same bodyfat %?
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5'10 220lbs (at least) 10% was this a tested comp?
Pretty sure it says he's 214 lbs in the vid. 10-12% is easy as fuck. You aint on the level so it's impossible for you to fathom.
so apparantly layne gains more strength and muscle than the rest of us naturally because of WHY exactly?
you guys are stupid never asking why?
if hes so smart there should be 20 people hes trained by now with crazy lift numbers
He's been lifting persistantly for 15+ years...To not even be able to DL 700...Not that impressive. Not even bench 405..There are literally high school children benching 4 plates..Nothing crazy. To achieve his numbers he would have had to train people (equally obsessed as himself) for 10-15 years...Come on Falcone you're smarter than this.
This is what pro-hormones and gear do.
Eric one of the best powerlifters in the world. Rumored to have started prohormones at roughly 17 y/o.
850 raw @ 22 y/o
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/15/yryhudud.jpg)
George Leeman is one of the strongest deadlifters ever successfully pulling 906lbs in training. Talks openly about his gear use.
875 x 4 raw @ 21 y/o
815 x 6 @ 22 y/o
6'3 360lbs...22 y/o
(https://scontent-a-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1391989_474166956023921_289839144_n.jpg)
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/NilWW3LCW6g/hqdefault.jpg)
Chris Hickson...855 @ 20 y/o - 6'4 260lbs...Dude was sponsored by a research chem site for god's sakes.
Pete Rubish is one of the most intense individuals on earth. Talks openly on RXmuscle about Methyltrienolone, Oral Tren, etc...etc..
815 @ 20 y/o
(https://scontent-a-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/62446_10201304485510657_1229313031_n.jpg)
You pussies don't know shit about powerlifting...And have questionable knowledge of anything for that matter...Bunch of internet shmoes and pussies. Lane Norton aint even fucking strong. Morons.
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In all serious, watching Layne over the years, I believe he is natural. He's built up his physique slowly, has the natty p4p strength that natty bbers are known for, and he's NEVER ballooned up overnight.
The dude is just a persistent obsessive fuck.
Natural eh? LOL!!!!!!!
(http://s1.postimage.org/fyymhrfrj/layne_05_3.jpg)
(http://s2.postimage.org/6v83xqfzd/layne_05_4.jpg)
(http://s7.postimage.org/eauyc722j/layne_05_7.jpg)
(http://s7.postimage.org/3ql0tlxkr/weik75c.jpg)
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I swear most people on this site have never lifted before...Anyone that lifts over 135 pounds, people scream PED's...I can get up to 405 on the deadlift with just a few months training...I have never deadlifted for a long period of time seriously...Squat is the same...It is a hobby for me, I lift till i get bored, then start all over again...Someone that trains naturally that has lifted consistently for 15 years can get pretty damn strong...I can see myself squatting 700 easily if I dedicated my life to it...Those that can not see themselves doing that feat, WTF? I cant bench anymore because of shoulder pain...I went from 225 on the bench, to 290 for reps in one damn month, just one!!!!!!!! Then i quit benching because i reached my goal...I am older now, but I wonder what I would have achieved if I dedicated myself truely to lifting weights...
Its often said success comes with dedication, consistency, and hard work...Get a life people, Layne Norton is natural, and you are to weak minded to conceive you could not accomplish the same as him..
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In all serious, watching Layne over the years, I believe he is natural. He's built up his physique slowly, has the natty p4p strength that natty bbers are known for, and he's NEVER ballooned up overnight.
The dude is just a persistent obsessive fuck.
I hope you were very ironic here..
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Pretty sure it says he's 214 lbs in the vid. 10-12% is easy as fuck. You aint on the level so it's impossible for you to fathom.
He's been lifting persistantly for 15+ years...To not even be able to DL 700...Not that impressive. Not even bench 405..There are literally high school children benching 4 plates..Nothing crazy. To achieve his numbers he would have had to train people (equally obsessed as himself) for 10-15 years...Come on Falcone you're smarter than this.
This is what pro-hormones and gear do.
Eric one of the best powerlifters in the world. Rumored to have started prohormones at roughly 17 y/o.
850 raw @ 22 y/o
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/15/yryhudud.jpg)
George Leeman is one of the strongest deadlifters ever successfully pulling 906lbs in training. Talks openly about his gear use.
875 x 4 raw @ 21 y/o
815 x 6 @ 22 y/o
6'3 360lbs...22 y/o
(https://scontent-a-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1391989_474166956023921_289839144_n.jpg)
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/NilWW3LCW6g/hqdefault.jpg)
Chris Hickson...855 @ 20 y/o - 6'4 260lbs...Dude was sponsored by a research chem site for god's sakes.
Pete Rubish is one of the most intense individuals on earth. Talks openly on RXmuscle about Methyltrienolone, Oral Tren, etc...etc..
815 @ 20 y/o
(https://scontent-a-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/62446_10201304485510657_1229313031_n.jpg)
You pussies don't know shit about powerlifting...And have questionable knowledge of anything for that matter...Bunch of internet shmoes and pussies. Lane Norton aint even fucking strong. Morons.
And you are?
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I'll give him his props, the numbers are very good, especially the deadlift for a natural or some who's been off for a decent amount of time. That fed is a tough one too. Nice to see that he's edging up the bench after the pec tear too, that's usually close to an ender for most benchers.
Also, it's funny to see a tendo unit being strapped to a bar at a meet, and it's nice to see the high plate racks being used, that design is great if you're loading bars all day.
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not a single hebrew?
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I remember years back someone on here said John Travolta was a flaming homosexual. This was before the bathhouse book came out. Most people on here didn't want to believe it but only stated "i hope its not true"...Then there were those(about a half dozen) who wanted to fight this information tooth and nail. Years later, 5 out of the 6 people who didn't want to believe it or wanted to fight the information posted ended up being homosapiens of the closeted homosexual variety...So why are people saying this guy is natural again?
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And you are?
A powerlifter and a man that is very committed to, and knowledgeable about powerlifting...What's it to you?
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fuck off back to bodybuilding.com fellas
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I swear most people on this site have never lifted before...Anyone that lifts over 135 pounds, people scream PED's...I can get up to 405 on the deadlift with just a few months training...I have never deadlifted for a long period of time seriously...Squat is the same...It is a hobby for me, I lift till i get bored, then start all over again...Someone that trains naturally that has lifted consistently for 15 years can get pretty damn strong...I can see myself squatting 700 easily if I dedicated my life to it...Those that can not see themselves doing that feat, WTF? I cant bench anymore because of shoulder pain...I went from 225 on the bench, to 290 for reps in one damn month, just one!!!!!!!! Then i quit benching because i reached my goal...I am older now, but I wonder what I would have achieved if I dedicated myself truely to lifting weights...
Its often said success comes with dedication, consistency, and hard work...Get a life people, Layne Norton is natural, and you are to weak minded to conceive you could not accomplish the same as him..
ROFL, you delusional c unt. Any idea how fucking far away a 700 pound squat is from deadlifting 405? Hahahahahha what a joke.
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fuck off back to bodybuilding.com fellas
Exactly.
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fuck off back to bodybuilding.com fellas
Muscle Mayhem and GETBIG.COM forged and raised, brother. Been here since the days of MASSIVE G's BLITHERING IDIOT TAGS and MOWER. And yes, I've donned the tags a time or two in the name of GETBIG.
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ROFL, you delusional c unt. Any idea how fucking far away a 700 pound squat is from deadlifting 405? Hahahahahha what a joke.
Lol glad I'm not the only who saw this..... fucking idiot never heard of diminishing returns.
Anyone can deadlift 405 in 2 years.... very few people can squat 500 to depth, let alone 700
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A powerlifter and a man that is very committed to, and knowledgeable about powerlifting...What's it to you?
Because you're calling others not knowledgeable without knowing who you are.
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If you do not refer to this athlete as Liar Norton, you are not a getbigger.
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If you do not refer to this athlete as Liar Norton, you are not a getbigger.
It is what it is. Those were good lifts.
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Fag norton has easily got one of the most puchable faces ever.
Nothing more annoying that a gay nerd trying to look tough.
Looks like a fucking rat lookong thru a toilet brush.
Utter c unt.
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Prior to 1946, the official deadlift world record was 650 pounds.
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To be fair, Hermann Goerner was pulling in the #700's at #220-#240. Bob Peoples was only a #181 class lifter when was pulling #600 - 725 both pre and post war, and could still pull in the 600's late in life. William Boone was another lifter that could get into the high #600's in the 1930's - 40's. John Terry was only #132 when he pulled #610 in the 1930's.
Not saying Norton has been clean all through his career, but he could of did this meet clean, and hit those numbers.
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ROFL, you delusional c unt. Any idea how fucking far away a 700 pound squat is from deadlifting 405? Hahahahahha what a joke.
Take a step back young Han Solo, re-read what i posted, and get back to me...
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Now imagine the poundages he would lift if he took steroids :D
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ROFL, you delusional c unt. Any idea how fucking far away a 700 pound squat is from deadlifting 405? Hahahahahha what a joke.
LOL exactly. 700 is a lifetime from 400. Like my training partner says, any man should be able to deadlift 200kg (440lbs), even if the only physical thing you do is dig around a bit in you garden. :D
But 300kg (660lbs) is in another universe.
If you haven't done it, don't say you could have done it if you only did this or that LOL.
I did 400lbs in my second deadlift workout as a kid. It took about 15 years to reach 700... with steroids LOL. :D
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Fag norton has easily got one of the most puchable faces ever.
Nothing more annoying that a gay nerd trying to look tough.
Looks like a fucking rat lookong thru a toilet brush.
Utter c unt.
Great athlete nonetheless
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I disagree. There's a red thread in every effective hypertrophy program. There aren't really vastly different programs which work differently for different people. Humans aren't really that dissimilar, our muscles work the same.
I suggest the book "The Sports Gene", the author is Epstein or something like that. It's all about this kind of stuff.
The short of it is you can put different people on the exact same exercise program and get vastly different results.
Now imagine the poundages he would lift if he took steroids :D
Haha yes Raymondo, he would be a savage beast indeed if he was not such a moral man!
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LOL exactly. 700 is a lifetime from 400. Like my training partner says, any man should be able to deadlift 200kg (440lbs), even if the only physical thing you do is dig around a bit in you garden. :D
But 300kg (660lbs) is in another universe.
If you haven't done it, don't say you could have done it if you only did this or that LOL.
I did 400lbs in my second deadlift workout as a kid. It took about 15 years to reach 700... with steroids LOL. :D
Exactly. The dude doesn't know what he's talking about. There is a universe of difference between squatting 405 and hitting seven. A 700-pound squat, performed drug-free and raw/classic, is monumental. I have been flirting with mid-600s lifts for years, and I do think I will eventually reach seven, but require perhaps several more years training. I have already been at it for well over 20. And I am a naturally strong fella, too.
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Exactly. The dude doesn't know what he's talking about. There is a universe of difference between squatting 405 and hitting seven. A 700-pound squat, performed drug-free and raw/classic, is monumental. I have been flirting with mid-600s lifts for years, and I do think I will eventually reach seven, but require perhaps several more years training. I have already been at it for well over 20. And I am a naturally strong fella, too.
Oh I get it, only you can prevent forest fires...
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Very interesting. Layne Norton pulled 677, and failed at 700. Ronnie Coleman in his powerlifting prime pulled 747.5, and failed at 752 while having about 40 lbs more bodyweight than Layne. Essentially, Layne is pound for pound much stronger than Ronnie Coleman was in his prime. Amazing what hard work and determination can do. :D
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Very interesting. Layne Norton pulled 677, and failed at 700. Ronnie Coleman in his powerlifting prime pulled 747.5, and failed at 752 while having about 40 lbs more bodyweight than Layne. Essentially, Layne is pound for pound much stronger than Ronnie Coleman was in his prime. Amazing what hard work and determination can do. :D
ronnie was natural tho
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No. There are different workout programs. Different ideas on the best rep ranges and volume. You have to experiment to find out what works best for you. Not everyone responds the same to certain training methods.
post a pic of yourself or shut the fuck up
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Because you're calling others not knowledgeable without knowing who you are.
Obviously I wasn't talking to you dumbass..
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It's BS only if it's like the bolded where you had no clue what you were doing at first.
100%, i learnt more about what i was doing to improve in my second and third years natural but the gains slowed every year, the first year you gain more just turning up even if you overtrain.
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so apparantly layne gains more strength and muscle than the rest of us naturally because of WHY exactly?
you guys are stupid never asking why?
if hes so smart there should be 20 people hes trained by now with crazy lift numbers
I tend to agree, mighty Falcon.
If I had to say it in a word, it'd be Halotestin.
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I suggest the book "The Sports Gene", the author is Epstein or something like that. It's all about this kind of stuff.
The short of it is you can put different people on the exact same exercise program and get vastly different results.
I haven't read the book so I don't know what it asserts.
But, someone could be doing the most efficient program without getting much in the way of results, simply because he doesn't have many muscle fibers, has short muscle bellies and due to a host of other genetic features. Still, the stimulus for growth is the same. Just like no sprinter will get better by only running marathons no bodybuilder will grow best by doing 50 sets of 100 reps every day for each muscle. It's like with drugs, some metabolise drugs faster and may need a little higher dosage compared to someone else for the same effect, but people still respond pretty much the same with some minor variations.
If everyone needed some unique program to progress at all you could forget about programming in any sport, it would be an impossible task to train anyone successfully.
Very interesting. Layne Norton pulled 677, and failed at 700. Ronnie Coleman in his powerlifting prime pulled 747.5, and failed at 752 while having about 40 lbs more bodyweight than Layne. Essentially, Layne is pound for pound much stronger than Ronnie Coleman was in his prime. Amazing what hard work and determination can do. :D
Don't forget that powerlifting is a lot about angles and leverages and technique. Like turning your feet out an inch and adding 20lbs to a lift, that sort of thing.
And genetic skeletal structure. Look at this pic and you immediately see why this guy has an advantage in deadlifting. That's why judging demonstratable strength and connecting it to drugs is tricky.
(http://bonytobeastly.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Lamar-gant-ectomorph-deadlift.jpg)
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Still, the stimulus for growth is the same.
what is this stimulus?
overload? volume? intensity?
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You are aware that there are differences of opinion when it comes to volume, rep range, and training to failure right Van_Bilderass?
Oh and in case you missed it Van_Bilderass here's some actual science that supports that individuals vary.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/strength-and-neuromuscular-adaptation-following-one-four-and-eight-sets-of-high-intensity-resistance-exercise-in-trained-males-research-review.html
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You are aware that there are differences of opinion when it comes to volume, rep range, and training to failure right Van_Bilderass?
Oh and in case you missed it Van_Bilderass here's some actual science that supports that individuals vary.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/strength-and-neuromuscular-adaptation-following-one-four-and-eight-sets-of-high-intensity-resistance-exercise-in-trained-males-research-review.html
I know and I have read everything by Lyle, his reviews of research etc. I've always said he's a master, despite looking like a twig. :D
Individuals vary, yes, but you can still see the same red thread in all effective programs.
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what is this stimulus?
overload? volume? intensity?
well, since Wolfox linked to Lyle's page, I will quote Lyle:
In an exceptional paper (which I recommend the reading of to any nerds in the field) titled “Mechanism of work induced hypertrophy of skeletal muscle” a researcher named Goldspink pretty much laid it out concluding that:
It is suggested that increased tension development (either passive or active) is the critical event in initiating compensatory growth.
Basically, the development of high levels of tension within the muscle is the key factor in initiating the growth process. I’d note that there are also some elements of fatigue that may be contributing to what ‘turns on’ the growth response. Finally, I’d note that in order to keep stimulating growth beyond an acute training bout, there has to be an increase in tension. Basically, over time you have to add weight to the bar.
Which as another great scientist in the field (Ronnie Coleman) summed up thusly:
Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder, but nobody wants to lift no heavy-ass weights.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/reps-per-set-for-optimal-growth.html
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Layne does seem natural from the looks of him. If he is using he is not a great responder. No cartoonish physique here...
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I swear most people on this site have never lifted before...Anyone that lifts over 135 pounds, people scream PED's...I can get up to 405 on the deadlift with just a few months training...I have never deadlifted for a long period of time seriously...Squat is the same...It is a hobby for me, I lift till i get bored, then start all over again...Someone that trains naturally that has lifted consistently for 15 years can get pretty damn strong...I can see myself squatting 700 easily if I dedicated my life to it...Those that can not see themselves doing that feat, WTF? I cant bench anymore because of shoulder pain...I went from 225 on the bench, to 290 for reps in one damn month, just one!!!!!!!! Then i quit benching because i reached my goal...I am older now, but I wonder what I would have achieved if I dedicated myself truely to lifting weights...
Its often said success comes with dedication, consistency, and hard work...Get a life people, Layne Norton is natural, and you are to weak minded to conceive you could not accomplish the same as him..
I think it is hard to say for sure he is natty. 405 deads high school kids can do, sure. Jump it up a couple hundred, even just to 500 and it gets much harder.
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Layne does seem natural from the looks of him. If he is using he is not a great responder. No cartoonish physique here...
No way.... have you seen the pictures of him in contest shape? He is a big dude.
Off season sure, I don't think he uses, but he diets down from a smooth 220 to a ripped 200. No way that's happening as a natural
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I haven't read the book so I don't know what it asserts.
But, someone could be doing the most efficient program without getting much in the way of results, simply because he doesn't have many muscle fibers, has short muscle bellies and due to a host of other genetic features. Still, the stimulus for growth is the same. Just like no sprinter will get better by only running marathons no bodybuilder will grow best by doing 50 sets of 100 reps every day for each muscle. It's like with drugs, some metabolise drugs faster and may need a little higher dosage compared to someone else for the same effect, but people still respond pretty much the same with some minor variations.
If everyone needed some unique program to progress at all you could forget about programming in any sport, it would be an impossible task to train anyone successfully.
Don't forget that powerlifting is a lot about angles and leverages and technique. Like turning your feet out an inch and adding 20lbs to a lift, that sort of thing.
And genetic skeletal structure. Look at this pic and you immediately see why this guy has an advantage in deadlifting. That's why judging demonstratable strength and connecting it to drugs is tricky.
(http://bonytobeastly.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Lamar-gant-ectomorph-deadlift.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3421/3893569360_fd150c4d5e.jpg)
hey look liar notrom beats a young arnold too
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layne is WAYYY TOO STRONG for a natural
HOWEVER
his ripped look could be acheived naturally i would know because i was near that ripped condition at some points in my life
but ive never had freaky strenth.
i cheat curled 225 , i mean really cheated, i could barbell curl 135 for like 18 reps
best bench was 225 for 17 bouncy reps but full range
best squat was 315 for 3 and 275 for liek 10 i think
best dead was 500
i could never do 225 seated military behind the neck i was close but couldnt do it i could probably do 210
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layne is WAYYY TOO STRONG for a natural
HOWEVER
his ripped look could be acheived naturally i would know because i was near that ripped condition at some points in my life
but ive never had freaky strenth.
i cheat curled 225 , i mean really cheated, i could barbell curl 135 for like 18 reps
best bench was 225 for 17 bouncy reps but full range
best squat was 315 for 3 and 275 for liek 10 i think
best dead was 500
i could never do 225 seated military behind the neck i was close but couldnt do it i could probably do 210
layne is so full of shit i want to fight him :D
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well, since Wolfox linked to Lyle's page, I will quote Lyle:
hey guys newsflash
the breakthroughs in this area are related to chemistry not biomechanics!
am i a genius or what!!???
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Pretty sure it says he's 214 lbs in the vid. 10-12% is easy as fuck. You aint on the level so it's impossible for you to fathom.
He's been lifting persistantly for 15+ years...To not even be able to DL 700...Not that impressive. Not even bench 405..There are literally high school children benching 4 plates..Nothing crazy. To achieve his numbers he would have had to train people (equally obsessed as himself) for 10-15 years...Come on Falcone you're smarter than this.
This is what pro-hormones and gear do.
Eric one of the best powerlifters in the world. Rumored to have started prohormones at roughly 17 y/o.
850 raw @ 22 y/o
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/15/yryhudud.jpg)
George Leeman is one of the strongest deadlifters ever successfully pulling 906lbs in training. Talks openly about his gear use.
875 x 4 raw @ 21 y/o
815 x 6 @ 22 y/o
6'3 360lbs...22 y/o
(https://scontent-a-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1391989_474166956023921_289839144_n.jpg)
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/NilWW3LCW6g/hqdefault.jpg)
Chris Hickson...855 @ 20 y/o - 6'4 260lbs...Dude was sponsored by a research chem site for god's sakes.
Pete Rubish is one of the most intense individuals on earth. Talks openly on RXmuscle about Methyltrienolone, Oral Tren, etc...etc..
815 @ 20 y/o
(https://scontent-a-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/62446_10201304485510657_1229313031_n.jpg)
You pussies don't know shit about powerlifting...And have questionable knowledge of anything for that matter...Bunch of internet shmoes and pussies. Lane Norton aint even fucking strong. Morons.
Let's take the highlighted statement. "He has been lifting persistently for the past 15+ years. To not be able to deadlift lift 700lbs is not that impressive".
You know powerlifiting, great. But you should also know that you either concentrate on one or the other to be successful. Either it's bodybuilding or powerlifting...pick one. Layne obviously trains for both and know's how to train for both. It's two different training styles..period. Those lifts (and anyone but you would seem to agree) are great lifts. I'd be willing to bet, with his age (fairly young) if ONLY concentrated on power lifting those numbers would go up. The problem seems to be with you, you ONLY know (allegedly) how to train for powerlifting. If you knew the difference between bodybuilding-type training and powerlifting, you might have a change of opinion. You might not have been taking to me, but damn, shit like this has to be called out.
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Think how strong Layne Norton would be if he followed the 80c-10p-10f diet.
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How old is Layne now? He's got to be 30 or close to it. Terrible form on the squats, how long can his back take that abuse? And it's been a long time since his last bodybuilding competition. IMO he's a much better powerlifter than bodybuilder. Very good deadlifter....
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How old is Layne now? He's got to be 30 or close to it. Terrible form on the squats, how long can his back take that abuse? And it's been a long time since his last bodybuilding competition. IMO he's a much better powerlifter than bodybuilder. Very good deadlifter....
The only thing I found unusual about the squat is there was no pause at the bottom.
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Let's take the highlighted statement. "He has been lifting persistently for the past 15+ years. To not be able to deadlift lift 700lbs is not that impressive".
You know powerlifiting, great. But you should also know that you either concentrate on one or the other to be successful. Either it's bodybuilding or powerlifting...pick one. Layne obviously trains for both and know's how to train for both. It's two different training styles..period. Those lifts (and anyone but you would seem to agree) are great lifts. I'd be willing to bet, with his age (fairly young) if ONLY concentrated on power lifting those numbers would go up. The problem seems to be with you, you ONLY know (allegedly) how to train for powerlifting. If you knew the difference between bodybuilding-type training and powerlifting, you might have a change of opinion. You might not have been taking to me, but damn, shit like this has to be called out.
Yeah they are good...Not good enough to accuse someone of using gear. I posted vids of kids who were outlifting Layne after lifting for <5 years compared to his 15 years.
Lol I only know powerlifting training...Bro anyone with Youtube knows how bodybuilders train. It aint rocket science. Layne trains "powerbuilding" like many top level powerlifters, the difference is he diets down and gets on stage, and he's not big rofl maybe 200lbs on stage..Again nothing worthy of steroid accusations. Huge doses would bloofy him up to 250 on stage like every other bullshit pro bb'er big whoop. Not rocket science.
Call me out ? You haven't called out shit...There are 17 year old's out lifting Layne and there are 17 year old bb'ers bigger than him..Lol You didn't call out shit old man.
And I'm an actual fan of Layne lol.
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Huge doses would bloofy him up to 250 on stage like every other bullshit pro bb'er big whoop. Not rocket science.
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Ben Rice. 1830 @ 209. 24 y/o . This kid is 100% drug free I'd put money on it. Been lifting since he was 13 or so.
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Powerlifting appears to be even more bizarre and cultist than bodybuilding...
Impressive!!
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Powerlifting appears to be even more bizarre and cultist than bodybuilding...
Impressive!!
Not even close.
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layne is WAYYY TOO STRONG for a natural
HOWEVER
his ripped look could be acheived naturally i would know because i was near that ripped condition at some points in my life
but ive never had freaky strenth.
i cheat curled 225 , i mean really cheated, i could barbell curl 135 for like 18 reps
best bench was 225 for 17 bouncy reps but full range
best squat was 315 for 3 and 275 for liek 10 i think
best dead was 500
i could never do 225 seated military behind the neck i was close but couldnt do it i could probably do 210
Seems like you didn't work your legs as much.
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Think how strong Layne Norton would be if he followed the 80c-10p-10f diet.
Falcon principles will surely take this athlete to the next level.
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tHe fact that some of you still believe that someone can be "natural" saddens me. There is no such thing in anything. If there is, it is so not impressive you wouldn't be talking about it.
"I have a friend who I slept with every day so I know he is natural eats 500 g of carbs a day and is 6% no roids, no burners or diuretics no nothing."
"I have a friend who been lifting for 23 years so his lifts are achieved through a lot of hard work and dedication."
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tHe fact that some of you still believe that someone can be "natural" saddens me. There is no such thing in anything. If there is, it is so not impressive you wouldn't be talking about it.
"I have a friend who I slept with every day so I know he is natural eats 500 g of carbs a day and is 6% no roids, no burners or diuretics no nothing."
"I have a friend who been lifting for 23 years so his lifts are achieved through a lot of hard work and dedication."
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Except your argument becomes much less convincing when there has been people like myself who have posted pics of when I was actually truly 100% natty, before I started gear, and there was still people claiming I was juiced to the gills. And i certainly am far from being considered a genetic elite, yet my priorly natural physique had endless claims that i was juiced? nobody believed my old natty pics or the ones of my best bro who is still natty.
So then what are we to believe?? It's just another opinion that somebody has. Obviously there's a lot of fakes and phonies claiming drug free out there, but your insistence that there are NO exceptions is silly. I've only been doing this for 6 years and I've known a few "exceptions" including myself. You should know better, what are you like 45?
Throw Groink into this category as well with me, I believe he's another guy that trained natty for years before juicing and nobody believed him either.
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Except your argument becomes much less convincing when there has been people like myself who have posted pics of when I was actually truly 100% natty, before I started gear, and there was still people claiming I was juiced to the gills. And i certainly am far from being considered a genetic elite, yet my priorly natural physique had endless claims that i was juiced? nobody believed my old natty pics or the ones of my best bro who is still natty.
So then what are we to believe?? It's just another opinion that somebody has. Obviously there's a lot of fakes and phonies claiming drug free out there, but your insistence that there are NO exceptions is silly. I've only been doing this for 6 years and I've known a few "exceptions" including myself. You should know better, what are you like 45?
Throw Groink into this category as well with me, I believe he's another guy that trained natty for years before juicing and nobody believed him either.
Groink is a cool dude so I will not "go there" but don't be a naive kid.
I AM genetic elite and respond very well. So I know what the deal is as I have done it all (natty, clean, juiced, young, old)
Don't come here with that natural bull crap kiddo. I remeber when you came here shouting all natural and how special you are. I am alergic to bull shit so please don't spam us with your friend who you jerked off with in the very same room so you know he does not use viagra ::)
BTW.. I am 37 and shit on you in each and every single way. Please engrave this upon the tablets of your memories.
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Groink is a cool dude so I will not "go there" but don't be a naive kid.
I AM genetic elite and respond very well. So I know what the deal is as I have done it all (natty, clean, juiced, young, old)
Don't come here with that natural bull crap kiddo. I remeber when you came here shouting all natural and how special you are. I am alergic to bull shit so please don't spam us with your friend who you jerked off with in the very same room so you know he does not use viagra ::)
BTW.. I am 37 and shit on you in each and every single way. Please engrave this upon the tablets of your memories.
LOL jeez you mad bro :D
First off you hilariously have me confused with Flinstones who j.o.'d with some good bros of his.
I'm 25 so you should be "shitting on me in every single way" in life since you have 12 years on me Gramps. It would be shameful if you WEREN'T!
No offense but you are genetically good....NOT elite. Elite is a very strong word and for your 1.5g/week cycles you look very good but NOT elite. I'd save Elite for like a 49 yo Groink or a BigRo....maybe even a Mesomorph87. I train every week with some huge shredded fuckers that compete nationally here in the NPC....it takes a lot for me to refer to someone as Elite, and no offense but you're not in these fellas league. Other than that not a ton of elite bros on here. Anyways sorry if I made you mad dude, I'm not here to start an e-war with you, just pointing out some epic flaws in your argument since you cited my previous post about my best friend.
8)
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Cleanest Natural making friends in this thread.
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Cleanest Natural making friends in this thread.
Yes he's very agitated that my drug-free buddy is 6'2, 195lbs and eats carbs til he wants to puke but can't put on dense Muslce (or fat) to save his life. Extreme ectomorph genetics...calves like a billy goat, etc.
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I AM genetic elite and respond very well. So I know what the deal is as I have done it all (natty, clean, juiced, young, old)
You're the genetic elite which is why you need 200 mg of dbol and 2 grams of test to achieve what many polygraph tested naturals would stomp all over. As soon as you go off you look like you've never touched a weight in your life.
You're so full of yourself and the thing is it's totally unwarranted. You shit talk anyone who claims to be natural that looks better than you. You meltdown every time this comes up. You just can't fathom how some natural could be better than you all juiced out on 200mg of dbol.
Next time you're in america visit a division 1 college and go watch their football players lift. They are bigger than you, faster than you, and stronger than you. And guess what? the majority of those kids are natural.
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(http://www.musclechronicle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/layne3.jpg)
layne does not seem natural in this pic...not so much mass but still he got that geared up look here...agreed he is a better powerlifter than bb though
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Groink is a cool dude so I will not "go there" but don't be a naive kid.
I AM genetic elite and respond very well. So I know what the deal is as I have done it all (natty, clean, juiced, young, old)
Don't come here with that natural bull crap kiddo. I remeber when you came here shouting all natural and how special you are. I am alergic to bull shit so please don't spam us with your friend who you jerked off with in the very same room so you know he does not use viagra ::)
BTW.. I am 37 and shit on you in each and every single way. Please engrave this upon the tablets of your memories.
you have solid genetics... but elite level? No way bro....
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genetics have to do with shape and how you respond, how fast etc .. nothing to do with developement.. that's just drugs alone and their quality and quantity .. most of you woulnd't know what good genetics even mean par example. Chiro is just a dreamy kid ;D
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somebodys chest just got shitted on
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The only thing I found unusual about the squat is there was no pause at the bottom.
What? Are you saying there's supposed to be a pause in the squat?
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Being strong is so much more than just "muscles" and is the reason why there are world class freaks who are clean whereas in bodybuilding it is almost always possible to spot someone who is "on".
I know a clean, sub 80kg guy, who screws around with his training, looks more like a Men's Health model, who can deadlift 315kg without even a belt. when he was 19yrs old he apparently lifted a barbell for the first time (dead) and pulled 210kg.
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The only thing I found unusual about the squat is there was no pause at the bottom.
Since when does ANY federation require a pause at the bottom of a squat?
You know nothing. Leave the discussion to those with half a clue. Thanks.
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Since when does ANY federation require a pause at the bottom of a squat?
You know nothing. Leave the discussion to those with half a clue. Thanks.
AAU. Thanks for coming. Tip your waiter on the way out.
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AAU. Thanks for coming. Tip your waiter on the way out.
Obama is a manufatured "president!?" Manufactured?
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Obama is a manufatured "president!?" Manufactured?
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AAU. Thanks for coming. Tip your waiter on the way out.
Point it out to me:
Squat
Rules of Performance:
The lifter shall face the front of the platform. The bar shall be held horizontal across the
shoulders, hands and fingers gripping the bar, and the top of the bar not more that the
thickness of the bar bel
ow the outer edge of the shoulders. Th
e
hands may be positioned
anywhere on the bar inside and or in contact with the inner collars.
After removing the bar from the racks, (the lifter may be aided in the removal of the bar
from the racks by the sp
otter/loaders) the lifter must move backwards to establish the
starting position. When the lifter is motionless, erect with knees locked, and the bar
properly positioned the Chief Referee will give the signal to begin the lift. The signal shall
consist of a downward movement of the arm and the audible command “squat”. Before
receiving the signal to “squat”, the lifter may make any position adjustments within the
rules, without penalty. For reasons of safety, the lifter may be requested t
o “rack” the bar if
after a five (5) second period he is not in the correct position to begin the lift. The signal to
replace the bar shall consist of a backward movement of the arm and the audible command
“rack”.
The lifter may resume the att
empted lift after racking the bar if time permits under the
60 second rule.
Upon receiving the Chief Referee’s signal the lifter must bend the knees and lower the body
until the top surface of the legs at the hip joint is lower that the top of the
knees. Only one
decent attempt is allowed. The attempt is deemed to have commenced when the lifters
knees have unlocked. The bar may move from its starting position downwards on the lifters
back the thickness of the bar during the performance o
f the lift.
The lifter must recover at will to an upright position with the knees locked. Double
bouncing at the bottom of the squat attempt or any downward movement is not permitted.
When the lift
er is motionless (in the apparent final position) the Chief Referee will give the
signal to rack the bar.
The signal to rack the bar will consist of a backward motion of the arm and the audible
command “rack”. The lifter must then move forward and
return the bar to the racks. For
reasons of safety, the lifter may request the aid of the spotter/loaders in returning the bar to,
and replacing it in the racks.
The lifter must stay with the bar at all times during the lift and while returning the
bar to the
racks.
No more than five and not less than two spotter/loaders shall be on the platform at any time.
The Chief referee shall decide the number of spotter/loaders needed on the platform.
Designated spotter/loaders may not be replaced
unless approved by the Chief Referee. A
lifter may use spotters other tha
n
those on the platform with the approval of the Chief
Referee. If in the opinion of the meet director, additional spotters are needed and the
spotting can be done safely
, additional spotters may be used.
http://image.aausports.org/handbooks/powerlifting/Powerlifting_Handbook.pdf
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19yrs old he apparently lifted a barbell for the first time (dead) and pulled 210kg.
He he, I did exactly the same thing at 18, in a gym in Madrid 1968. The gym owner was not there when I lifted the new gym record (210 kg) and would not give me the record because he did not believe it ;D
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Since when does ANY federation require a pause at the bottom of a squat?
You know nothing. Leave the discussion to those with half a clue. Thanks.
;D ;D
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Point it out to me:
http://image.aausports.org/handbooks/powerlifting/Powerlifting_Handbook.pdf
Holy fuck what sheer ownage. Van B, are you an attorney or something?
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Point it out to me:
http://image.aausports.org/handbooks/powerlifting/Powerlifting_Handbook.pdf
Don't know what to tell you. I have a kid who won both the AAU national and two weeks ago the world's. In the 198 20-23 year old class. I wasnt there but from what I was told he missed the first lift because he didn't come up on the judges cue.
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Don't know what to tell you. I have a kid who won both the AAU national and two weeks ago the world's. In the 198 20-23 year old class. I wasnt there but from what I was told he missed the first lift because he didn't come up on the judges cue.
That's about hitting sufficient depth, not about pausing at the bottom
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Well, if you're gonna make a definitive political statement for all of us to see, it's best not look like a retard by misspelling shit. :-\
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AAU. Thanks for coming. Tip your waiter on the way out.
Terrific. Let me change the question: What we-should-give-a-shit federation requires a pause at the bottom of a squat? In my years competing in and following powerlifting, I have never seen a lifter be asked to pause his squat in the hole. And this applies to feds of all types.
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Don't know what to tell you. I have a kid who won both the AAU national and two weeks ago the world's. In the 198 20-23 year old class. I wasnt there but from what I was told he missed the first lift because he didn't come up on the judges cue.
Okay, I say it again. You know nothing about what is the sport of powerlifting. Please leave the discussion to those of us who have half a clue.
The thing I find unusual ... What a tosser. Find one, ONE, video on YouTube of a powerlifter competing who is pausing in the hole and post the link.
"Coach", oh brother. ::)
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AAU stuff -
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Good general watching for those not familiar with the older rules.
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Terrific. Let me change the question: What we-should-give-a-shit federation requires a pause at the bottom of a squat? In my years competing in and following powerlifting, I have never seen a lifter be asked to pause his squat in the hole. And this applies to feds of all types.
It is what it is.
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Deadlift -
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Good general watching for those not familiar with the older rules.
I stand corrected.
As for the rest of you who NEVER make mistakes........fuck you.
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Okay, I say it again. You know nothing about what is the sport of powerlifting. Please leave the discussion to those of us who have half a clue.
The thing I find unusual ... What a tosser. Find one, ONE, video on YouTube of a powerlifter competing who is pausing in the hole and post the link.
"Coach", oh brother. ::)
There's a huge difference between "pausing" and the double pump or bounce that the AAU rules mention. Nobody allows bouncing. I guess if you're worried about squat depth, pause away so there's no question. I paused on my first and second attemp in my last meet several weeks ago, went conservative so there was no question.....atttempt 3 was down and up. I think heavy squats and deads make average BB's feel bad abou themselves or something. Its to different activites that share the same equipment. I don't need 40 inch peaks and you don't need to pull 600lbs off the ground to get where you want to go. More power to you if u look like Dan Green
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genetics have to do with shape and how you respond, how fast etc .. nothing to do with developement.. that's just drugs alone and their quality and quantity .. most of you woulnd't know what good genetics even mean par example. Chiro is just a dreamy kid ;D
I agree 100%... I think you have great genetics for shape. Genetic elite is a stretch bro, be real.
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I agree 100%... I think you have great genetics for shape. Genetic elite is a stretch bro, be real.
I AM real bro, based on how I respond ;) .. I also had great strength genetics and was very explosive. I played pro tennis, top level basketball, squash and was no slouch at bodybuilding.
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You're the genetic elite which is why you need 200 mg of dbol and 2 grams of test to achieve what many polygraph tested naturals would stomp all over. As soon as you go off you look like you've never touched a weight in your life.
You're so full of yourself and the thing is it's totally unwarranted. You shit talk anyone who claims to be natural that looks better than you. You meltdown every time this comes up. You just can't fathom how some natural could be better than you all juiced out on 200mg of dbol.
Next time you're in america visit a division 1 college and go watch their football players lift. They are bigger than you, faster than you, and stronger than you. And guess what? the majority of those kids are natural.
Quoted for TRUTH..Damn good post. Again ''he must be using(ped)'',when referring to someone with a superior physique or strength level, is the mantra of the genetically inferior.
Now, granted there are individuals who do lie about natural status-however,just like height,or other physical differences there are some with an ability to naturally build more muscle,
Ya it sucks to get dealt shitty muscle genetics, when you want to be a bodybuilder-same as the 5 foot nothin dude who wants to play pro basketball, it's just not in the genetic cards-but,that's life.
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I stand corrected.
As for the rest of you who NEVER make mistakes........fuck you.
C'mon, man. When you post in a thread about something you obviously know little about, then don't post. Sure I am mistaken about things. But I know when I do not know and I therefore keep my mouth shut. The whole pause-in-the-hole thought is SO indicative of your not knowing much of anything about the sport of powerlifting that what I say applies totally to you. Just another internet clown who speaks with authority about everything and anything simply because the medium "gives him a voice" to do so.
Can it, pops.
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C'mon, man. When you post in a thread about something you obviously know little about, then don't post. Sure I am mistaken about things. But I know when I do not know and I therefore keep my mouth shut. The whole pause-in-the-hole thought is SO indicative of your not knowing much of anything about the sport of powerlifting that what I say applies totally to you. Just another internet clown who speaks with authority about everything and anything simply because the medium "gives him a voice" to do so.
Can it, pops.
MMmm, actually I have a name, face and facility to go along with my "voice". Drop by sometime and train.
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Receiving the chief referee's signal
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There is no required "pause" in the bottom position for the squat in any federation. None.
Now let's carry on bashing Edward Norton.
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MMmm, actually I have a name, face and facility to go along with my "voice". Drop by sometime and train.
Exact location, please.
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George Leeman is one of the strongest deadlifters ever successfully pulling 906lbs in training. Talks openly about his gear use.
875 x 4 raw @ 21 y/o
906 dl in the end of this vid
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There is no required "pause" in the bottom position for the squat in any federation. None.
Now let's cary on bashing Edward Norton.
Like I said. My mistake. Should have looked closer.
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Like I said. My mistake. Should have looked closer.
You need to practice saying that. It suits you.
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genetics have to do with shape and how you respond, how fast etc .. nothing to do with developement.. that's just drugs alone and their quality and quantity .. most of you woulnd't know what good genetics even mean par example. Chiro is just a dreamy kid ;D
Are you saying I have dreamy eyes? :)
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Like I said. My mistake. Should have looked closer.
Noted sir.
And I don't think Ed Norton can squat 700 but perhaps I'm wrong.
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Exact location, please.
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Tore his pec a few years ago. He used to be more of a presser in his younger years.
it would be funny if now he destroyed his back trying to do that stupid shit. Dude should seriously give up all that is related to weights and get a better diploma in something more important. He s a nerd, he doesnt belong in the bbing industry/world. He s just miscast. I salute his natural crusade, but it's getting ridiculous. All he s doing is destroying his body.
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Does Norton still live in Champaign, Illinois?
I used to have a travel pass for Gold's everywhere and never once ran into him when I would go over there.