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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: chimera on October 29, 2013, 11:17:47 PM
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"I started my prep at 20 weeks out. Going into the diet, I was running test 400 at 6-8cc a week, insulin, and growth hormone. At 20 weeks out, I cut the insulin, lower my test to 5cc a week (2000mg/wk) and added several new goodies. Trenbolone acetate, proviron, equipoise and masteron enanthate were all added in starting at 20 weeks out.
Cycle looked something like this:
-Test enanthate/cypionate- 2000mg per week
-Trenbolone Acetate- 700mg per week
-Proviron- 50mg per day
-Equipoise- 1000mg per week
-Masteron E- 500mg per week
-Growth Hormone- 10iu per day (5iu AM, 5iu PM)
I ran these up until 12 weeks out where I added in even more goods. At this point in the diet, I was already fairly lean at a bodyweight of 270 lbs and was just looking to harden up my physique while very slowly losing more body fat. So at 12 weeks out, I added primobolan at 500mg per week and oral winny at 50mg per day. Growth hormone was increased to 20iu per day, split in four 5iu injections and proviron was also bumped to 100mg per day. Test was cut to 1000mg because at this point, you're not building any new muscle, you're just trying to maintain what you have while slowly losing bodyfat. Running high test would add bloat and is just not necessary. Arimidex was also added at 2 mg per day.
-Test- 1000mg/wk
-Tren ace- 700mg/wk
-Eq- 1000mg/wk
-Mast E-500mg/wk
-Primo-500mg/wk
-Winny-50mg/day
-Proviron- 100mg/day
-Growth Hormone- 20iu/day
-Arimidex- 2mg/day
So this regimen was continued until 8 weeks out. At 8 weeks out, I was sitting at 265 lbs, very lean and hard at this point and just trying to maintain all my muscle. At this point, EQ was cut, Mast E was switched to Mast P. Winny was bumped to 100mg/day, and Letro was added at 2.5mg per day. Also Anavar was added at 100mg/day. Clenbuterol was also added at 80mcg/day. I had not been on any fat burners up to this point in the prep. 6 weeks out were the next changes and really the last phase of my prep. Both Anadrol and Halotestin were put in at 100mg/day and 30mg/day respectively. GH was dropped back to 10iu due to water retention / funds, and Tren Ace was bumped to 150mg/day. Cycle looked like this. Test was also cut out at this point due to water retention. I have found that cutting test out early like this makes me that much more dry and hard. Arimidex was bumped to 4mg and letro to 5mg ed. I was using research chems tho, so who knows how much i actually was getting.
-Tren Ace- 150mg/day
-Mast P- 100mg m-f
-Primo- 100mg m-f
-Anavar- 100m/day
-Winny- 100mg/day
-Proviron- 100mg/day
-Halo- 30mg/day
-Anadrol- 100mg./day
-GH- 10iu/day
-Arimidex- 4mg/day
-Letro- 5mg/day
-Clen-80mcg/day
So pretty much from 6 weeks out until showtime, the only thing that changed was primo was dropped at 4 weeks out, and gh, mast p, and tren ace were dropped one week out. All orals, including clen were run through the show and dyazide was used the night before at .5 tab every meal starting at 6pm friday night. Comparing this prep to my past preps, I feel that the main difference was amount of gh, and starting the 'hardening' compounds earlier. Usually i would start mast and tren ace at 12 weeks out or so. I feel that starting them at 20 wks allowed my body to gradually get harder and keep all my muscle, nothing felt rushed, and I was in shape early and actually had to hold myself back from losing too fast by doing a couple cheats. This prep was the first time I've ran primo and anavar and I felt those too gave my physique a different look. Stay tuned in next couple weeks as I outline my offseason cycle and what it takes to be a national level Super Heavyweight bodybuilder."
- http://www.ironaffinity.com/forums/forum/body-building/chem/233-top-10-national-level-super-heavyweight-contest-cycle
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Dosages do not seem excessive here, the tren amount was kept moderate throughout. Clen was kept lowish. Dont see any T3 in there. The amount of letro and arimidex from 6 weeks out though... whoa! mr stalk must have been completely limp, also joints must have been totally dried up. Test was cut early at 6 weeks out, are the changes that happen from dropping test soley water related or does one actually drop fat faster also...
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Dosages do not seem excessive here, the tren amount was kept moderate throughout. Clen was kept lowish. Dont see any T3 in there. The amount of letro and arimidex from 6 weeks out though... whoa! mr stalk must have been completely limp, also joints must have been totally dried up. Test was cut early at 6 weeks out, are the changes that happen from dropping test soley water related or does one actually drop fat faster also...
Just the messenger here, but all great points
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if it were me, i would've dropped the var, winny, and primo... the primo dose seems too low to be of any benefit.... the winny is really an individual thing i believe... I've heard that in the past before i'd pushed high doses 200-250mg/day, but even that those doses, i wasn't impressed... and var, i'll always save for women. i would've cut those and increased the mast and tren and drol... probably... and cutting test 6weeks out? holy fuck, i'd be dragging ass and a mental wreck come show time... combine that with 5mg letro (not to mention the 2mg adex)uuuffff.... my girl would be not too happy with those side effects. lol.
i cut test e for a week and i drop water, and even more so after week number two..... 6 weeks seems a long time..... but maybe that's what works for him and he's based it on his prior experience.
correction, he ups the adex to 4mg :o , I suspect these ug adex junk is under dosed big time for people to be handling for 4mg, take real pharm grade AstraZeneca Adex and I guarantee he would not be using 4mg.
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Funny thing is I know a guy who beat the person who wrote this and he hadn't even started GH yet...
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Dosages do not seem excessive here, the tren amount was kept moderate throughout. Clen was kept lowish. Dont see any T3 in there. The amount of letro and arimidex from 6 weeks out though... whoa! mr stalk must have been completely limp, also joints must have been totally dried up. Test was cut early at 6 weeks out, are the changes that happen from dropping test soley water related or does one actually drop fat faster also...
;D
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Funny thing is I know a guy who beat the person who wrote this and he hadn't even started GH yet...
any picuters?
Most bbers lie about dosages. Cant trust the "no gh" guy
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How do so many afford these cycles? If its all 100% real thats a 15-20k cycle.
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holy shit, 2mg of adex is brutal already and then he ups that to 4mg.
my goodness.
How do so many afford these cycles? If its all 100% real thats a 15-20k cycle.
no its not.
do the math or find a cheaper source,lol
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Funny thing is I know a guy who beat the person who wrote this and he hadn't even started GH yet...
so?
this doesnt say much at all.
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correction, he ups the adex to 4mg :o , I suspect these ug adex junk is under dosed big time for people to be handling for 4mg, take real pharm grade AstraZeneca Adex and I guarantee he would not be using 4mg.
i use .25mg e2d and my joints are fucked. course we get the good stuff. :)
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i thought the same, no way is he using anything near 4mg real adex daily,lol, thatd get him the worst sides imaginaeable, this is much more than cancer patients are prescribed,haha, and the medicval industry is not shy with doses when it comes to cancer.
absolute unnecesary overkill, oh and i see 5mg letro on top of that a day.
either stupid or making it up.
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i use .25mg e2d and my joints are fucked. course we get the good stuff. :)
ya and imagine your joints when conbining that that with winstrol and masteron :o :o
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I was on 3mg a week prescription when I started trt and could hardly train , my knees hurt so much. Insomnia , no sex drive , depression, his Hdl must have been in single digits
I love how he lowered his test to " just" 2 g a week.. And some people believe Dorian really only used a gram a week.
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Can these AI's like Arimidex really decimate estrogen completely, especially in someone
taking a lot of extra testosterone, regardless of the dose of AI used?
IIRC even in normal men Arimidex doesn't decimate estrogen at 1mg day, and also Arimidex's
effects peak at like 2mg and taking more doesn't reduce estrogen further. Estrogen may still remain
in normal range even if it drops by 50%. Never seen a study where it absolutely kills estrogen.
Educate me if I'm wrong. Anyone do HRT with Arimidex, got labs done, and estrogen was below normal range?
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it lowers in 80% within a week at 1mg day,lol
im notsure but think it kills it all the same on higher doses, it abrelya llows any to be made.
and yes theres stronger things out there, but not sure if one csn handle it, i mean theres some pains somewhere all the time.
btw, completely, no, it doesnt do that
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Can these AI's like Arimidex really decimate estrogen completely, especially in someone
taking a lot of extra testosterone, regardless of the dose of AI used?
IIRC even in normal men Arimidex doesn't decimate estrogen at 1mg day, and also Arimidex's
effects peak at like 2mg and taking more doesn't reduce estrogen further. Estrogen may still remain
in normal range even if it drops by 50%. Never seen a study where it absolutely kills estrogen.
Educate me if I'm wrong. Anyone do HRT with Arimidex, got labs done, and estrogen was below normal range?
Yeah, taking a lot didn't lower it more for me than taking a mg a week, but that was hrt not this kind of abuse. 200 mg a week e2 was in range on both 3 mg a week and 1 mg, but I felt like shit on 3 mg so I feel it caused sides by more than just blocking estrogen. Homie is also on Leto which is a whole different beast.
Btw, I'm not sure on this, since ais stop aromatization , how do they affect dht?
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the official listed side effect on package is hair thinning so there about the dht
and i fnd its really happening
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Can these AI's like Arimidex really decimate estrogen completely, especially in someone
taking a lot of extra testosterone, regardless of the dose of AI used?
IIRC even in normal men Arimidex doesn't decimate estrogen at 1mg day, and also Arimidex's
effects peak at like 2mg and taking more doesn't reduce estrogen further. Estrogen may still remain
in normal range even if it drops by 50%. Never seen a study where it absolutely kills estrogen.
Educate me if I'm wrong. Anyone do HRT with Arimidex, got labs done, and estrogen was below normal range?
taking more will not lower estrogen more perhaps but combining with letro does make a difference, it is the norm now a days to do so among bodybuilders 14 days out is all that is needed.
It is not necessary to get rid of all your estrogen, reducing to very loww level is enough to get dry as fuck.
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ya and imagine your joints when conbining that that with winstrol satan in a pill and masteron :o :o
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Can these AI's like Arimidex really decimate estrogen completely, especially in someone
taking a lot of extra testosterone, regardless of the dose of AI used?
IIRC even in normal men Arimidex doesn't decimate estrogen at 1mg day, and also Arimidex's
effects peak at like 2mg and taking more doesn't reduce estrogen further. Estrogen may still remain
in normal range even if it drops by 50%. Never seen a study where it absolutely kills estrogen.
Educate me if I'm wrong. Anyone do HRT with Arimidex, got labs done, and estrogen was below normal range?
It can. I got HG arimidex and it killed my estrogen and cholesterol profile in a week. Faster actually... I stopped taking it after a few days when I realized how much I'd overdosed. UGL stuff you need to take tons, so even when I cut the dosage I still went over way too much.
My doctor called me after he read the report and wanted to see if it was familial hyper cholesterol emus as it was pretty bad. All fine now of course.
My anti-e of choice is aromasin and a little low dosed letro if I need to give estrogen a big kick in the nuts.
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:Dlmao
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It can. I got HG arimidex and it killed my estrogen and cholesterol profile in a week. Faster actually... I stopped taking it after a few days when I realized how much I'd overdosed. UGL stuff you need to take tons, so even when I cut the dosage I still went over way too much.
My doctor called me after he read the report and wanted to see if it was familial hyper cholesterol emus as it was pretty bad. All fine now of course.
My anti-e of choice is aromasin and a little low dosed letro if I need to give estrogen a big kick in the nuts.
yeah its not about whether it can kill off estrogen entirely, it sure comes close enough, its what gonna happen to the cholesterol levels.
i soemtimes have the feeling it makes the gear itself weaker, or feel weaker, weird, hard to explain.
very interesting,yet no overly suprising, that the ugl adex doesnt come close tot eh real ones.
its realy good for a dry look, but not sure if its overall worth it, all sides considered.
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yeah its not about whether it can kill off estrogen entirely, it sure comes close enough, its what gonna happen to the cholesterol levels.
i soemtimes have the feeling it makes the gear itself weaker, or feel weaker, weird, hard to explain.
very interesting,yet no overly suprising, that the ugl adex doesnt come close tot eh real ones.
its realy good for a dry look, but not sure if its overall worth it, all sides considered.
people are stupid gal, you brought up 2 good points here that i will add to. 1. it weakens your gear, yes it does, without estrogen expect a fraction of your gear`s work to go down the drain and 2 is it worth it overall to dry out.
Here is how it goes, estrogen is your friend and so is water retention health wise, no not physique wise, but for health reasons your body elevates estrogen levels and for health reasons you body retains water. Go against this and there will be issues and discomfort.
Now the solution is quick burst at a time, not 60 day protocols, we are talking 2 weeks max, this is the best way to take adex hands down, 2 weeks is all you need for it to do its job.
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people are stupid gal, you brought up 2 good points here that i will add to. 1. it weakens your gear, yes it does, without estrogen expect a fraction of your gear`s work to go down the drain and 2 is it worth it overall to dry out.
Here is how it goes, estrogen is your friend and so is water retention health wise, no not physique wise, but for health reasons your body elevates estrogen levels and for health reasons you body retains water. Go against this and there will be issues and discomfort.
Now the solution is quick burst at a time, not 60 day protocols, we are talking 2 weeks max, this is the best way to take adex hands down, 2 weeks is all you need for it to do its job.
lay this out for me bro im curious. i know you know your shit when it comes to depletion.
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people are stupid gal, you brought up 2 good points here that i will add to. 1. it weakens your gear, yes it does, without estrogen expect a fraction of your gear`s work to go down the drain and 2 is it worth it overall to dry out.
Here is how it goes, estrogen is your friend and so is water retention health wise, no not physique wise, but for health reasons your body elevates estrogen levels and for health reasons you body retains water. Go against this and there will be issues and discomfort.
Now the solution is quick burst at a time, not 60 day protocols, we are talking 2 weeks max, this is the best way to take adex hands down, 2 weeks is all you need for it to do its job.
yah i feel its best for the last bits of fat and water, dont see other uses.
it lays the foundation to get rid of those last stubborn spots like nothing else, but it def weakens the gear,will be happy to get a pump once in a while on low gear doses.
it has def backlash when going off it, but oh well such is life.
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lay this out for me bro im curious. i know you know your shit when it comes to depletion.
I will say something here that will surprise everyone. I LOVE ESTROGEN AND I LOVE WATER RETENTION. I do not wear tight shirts and I stay covered up so for me all that matters is my final destination, the day of ``what I am aiming for`` and with water retention and estrogen I am lifting like a machine and loving the low cal diets and staying clear of a lot of discomfort.
Now my approach; the body can reduce estrogen in 1 week, that is how fast it can happen So the second week i cut sodium and deplete water levels and the process takes a week as well, this is a 2 week approach for the purpose of adex, but I would also take letro as it takes on a slightly different angle.
.5 adex daily and 1.25 letro daily and the 2 week drop is 15 lb or more.
I understand if someone is using for gyno but I did my gyno surgery so I do not use any AI`s for that purpose.
Also estrogen takes a month to build up so after those 2 weeks, you can benefit from adex for an additional 2 weeks before noticing any real changes.
To be honest taking adex for the whole 12 week contest prep is absolutely pointless.
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I will say something here that will surprise everyone. I LOVE ESTROGEN AND I LOVE WATER RETENTION. I do not wear tight shirts and I stay covered up so for me all that matters is my final destination, the day of ``what I am aiming for`` and with water retention and estrogen I am lifting like a machine and loving the low cal diets and staying clear of a lot of discomfort.
Now my approach; the body can reduce estrogen in 1 week, that is how fast it can happen So the second week i cut sodium and deplete water levels and the process takes a week as well, this is a 2 week approach for the purpose of adex, but I would also take letro as it takes on a slightly different angle.
.5 adex daily and 1.25 letro daily and the 2 week drop is 15 lb or more.
I understand if someone is using for gyno but I did my gyno surgery so I do not use any AI`s for that purpose.
Also estrogen takes a month to build up so after those 2 weeks, you can benefit from adex for an additional 2 weeks before noticing any real changes.
To be honest taking adex for the whole 12 week contest prep is absolutely pointless.
yes!
see i love that look. that big round full lean look. but im going to mexico in 3 weeks, and have been less than strict on my diet. fucking muffins. anyway, im thinking fuck it i should run adex and dry out, but then i wont have that fullness im such a big fan of. love that 3D round look and i get really stringy very easily so maybe 'll just leave well enough alone. i'll be as lean as i was this summer. that'll be good enough.
thnaks for taking the time to lay that out dude. 'for future reference' material right there.
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actually fuck it im going to do it.
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actually fuck it im going to do it.
lol, good stuff, 8)
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yeah its not about whether it can kill off estrogen entirely, it sure comes close enough, its what gonna happen to the cholesterol levels.
i soemtimes have the feeling it makes the gear itself weaker, or feel weaker, weird, hard to explain.
very interesting,yet no overly suprising, that the ugl adex doesnt come close tot eh real ones.
its realy good for a dry look, but not sure if its overall worth it, all sides considered.
That's why I don't purposely try to eradicate estrogen, just control it. If I keep things steady, no gyno issues or bloating. I had bad gyno and steroid sides when I first started. Took some caber, cycled a bit more, skin cleared up, no mood issues, no gyno (it's completely gone), and I never have a single side effect. Blood work comes back clean too. It's strange.
I think if you just keep things balanced you'll have no problems. Blood work always comes back in perfect ranges. I don't fuck around with things because if I keep it steady, all is well. Do a little blasting every now and again and then cruise at reasonable doses. Never have a problem! No need to overcomplicate shit, pull out compounds and switch shit up trying to master chemical cocktails. It just creates trouble.
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Question: would the results be comparable if one took a very low dose of letro vs an average dose of Adex or Aromasin? See what I'm saying?
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When i read these Gear stacks of some people a few things come to mind,
1. Do they bother to train hard and intense. ( Tho every one has a different interpretation of hard & intense.)
2. To be taking the amounts mg wise It has to be very under-dosed.
3. with all the different compounds how do they know which drug is having what effect.
Strikes me as a Shotgun Approach.
4. Looking for a drug to do all the work for them.
Barring a few body-builders, most are probably Bigger than 80's / 90's But overall quality & condition is not as Good,
And we would expect progress in each direction.
Seeing more of the eastern European & middle eastern Body-builders with that quality & condition.
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When i read these Gear stacks of some people a few things come to mind,
1. Do they bother to train hard and intense. ( Tho every one has a different interpretation of hard & intense.)
2. To be taking the amounts mg wise It has to be very under-dosed.
3. with all the different compounds how do they know which drug is having what effect.
Strikes me as a Shotgun Approach.
4. Looking for a drug to do all the work for them.
Barring a few body-builders, most are probably Bigger than 80's / 90's But overall quality & condition is not as Good,
And we would expect progress in each direction.
Seeing more of the eastern European & middle eastern Body-builders with that quality & condition.
I can take any unlabeled bottle and do one injection and the next day (with fast esters) tell you what the compound is based on how I feel when I wake, of course we can tell what compound does what. anyone with experience at high levels can
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Question: would the results be comparable if one took a very low dose of letro vs an average dose of Adex or Aromasin? See what I'm saying?
the strongest weight wise (mg per mg) is adex., however letro is stronger in terms of its effects being better in the long wrong. Aromasin some people love it or hate it, I personally do not like it, it does very little to me in comparison, my choice is letro but now I combine letro with adex anyway.
sorry, not what you asked but just a view here on their strength, 1mg of adex is comparable to 2.5 mg of letro but letro being more effective in a 2 week run.
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I can take any unlabeled bottle and do one injection and the next day (with fast esters) tell you what the compound is based on how I feel when I wake, of course we can tell what compound does what. anyone with experience at high levels can
On an individual basis I.E one compound at a time possibly if its fast acting,.
The People i know and deal with at the High end of Bodybuilding / powerlifting would struggle with multiple compounds at once
introducing a new drug a knowing almost immediately how good a quality it is.
You seem to come across as you are the only person to have experience at competing & taking drugs as a competitor,
you are not, and i have as much right to post my personnel dealings and experience and views.
Clearly we have different experience's and views.
Does that make one Right or one wrong.
I think not.. But i respect your insight and views.
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I can take any unlabeled bottle and do one injection and the next day (with fast esters) tell you what the compound is based on how I feel when I wake, of course we can tell what compound does what. anyone with experience at high levels can
On an individual basis I.E one compound at a time possibly if its fast acting,.
The People i know and deal with at the High end of Bodybuilding / powerlifting would struggle with multiple compounds at once
introducing a new drug a knowing almost immediately how good a quality it is.
You seem to come across as you are the only person to have experience at competing & taking drugs as a competitor,
you are not, and i have as much right to post my personnel dealings and experience and views.
Clearly we have different experience's and views.
Does that make one Right or one wrong.
I think not.. But i respect your insight and views.
you should fix this post here, you must have deleted part of the quote brackets.
anyway, I am just responding to your post of people not knowing, I prep people for shows and they always feel the compounds and always tell me what they feel weekly and how the compounds make them feel, I am very organized with this and pay very close attention. So it is not a matter of opinion here, it is the experience guys who are responsible and pay attention will know exactly what compounds are doing what and the beginners or the advance guys that do things recklessly without caring do not. Not trying to pick a fight here bro, just the way it works.
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anyway, I am just responding to your post of people not knowing, I prep people for shows and they always feel the compounds and always tell me what they feel weekly and how the compounds make them feel, I am very organized with this and pay very close attention. So it is not a matter of opinion here, it is the experience guys who are responsible and pay attention will know exactly what compounds are doing what and the beginners or the advance guys that do things recklessly without caring do not. Not trying to pick a fight here bro, just the way it works.
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I also prep people for competing. And speak & work with them on a daily basis when and where possible as without their input and feedback it can make it more difficult and long winded to achieve the desired Goal, if at all.
Sadly not all the experienced men are either responsible or pay attention, Hence the number of top level competitors Dying at very young ages and the others that have had and are having major health issue's.
so not sure that is how it should Work. As we are constantly seeing it leaves a lot to be desired.
I am very happy to listen to you or anyone else that has any intelligent and articulate information to share,as that can be a good source of new knowledge.
Although i will state my point of view if different or i don't agree.
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anyway, I am just responding to your post of people not knowing, I prep people for shows and they always feel the compounds and always tell me what they feel weekly and how the compounds make them feel, I am very organized with this and pay very close attention. So it is not a matter of opinion here, it is the experience guys who are responsible and pay attention will know exactly what compounds are doing what and the beginners or the advance guys that do things recklessly without caring do not. Not trying to pick a fight here bro, just the way it works.
I also prep people for competing. And speak & work with them on a daily basis when and where possible as without their input and feedback it can make it more difficult and long winded to achieve the desired Goal, if at all.
Sadly not all the experienced men are either responsible or pay attention, Hence the number of top level competitors Dying at very young ages and the others that have had and are having major health issue's.
so not sure that is how it should Work. As we are constantly seeing it leaves a lot to be desired.
I am very happy to listen at to you or anyone else that has any intelligent and articulate information to share,as that can be a good source of new knowledge.
Although i will state my point of view if different or i don't agree.
fair enough :)
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When i read these Gear stacks of some people a few things come to mind,
1. Do they bother to train hard and intense. ( Tho every one has a different interpretation of hard & intense.)
2. To be taking the amounts mg wise It has to be very under-dosed.
3. with all the different compounds how do they know which drug is having what effect.
Strikes me as a Shotgun Approach.
4. Looking for a drug to do all the work for them.
Barring a few body-builders, most are probably Bigger than 80's / 90's But overall quality & condition is not as Good,
And we would expect progress in each direction.
Seeing more of the eastern European & middle eastern Body-builders with that quality & condition.
1- so most guys who take high doses must not train hard or intense?
2- looooong before UGL's, guy's would take huge amounts of drugs and still not be the "monsters" most inexperienced people would expect to be taking 5-10g/wk.
3- even if the guy is new and doesn't know what the drug is doing, does that mean the drug ISN'T doing what it does for 90% of the guys who use it?
4- yea, all steroid users are 'lazy'... heard that one before. ::)
overall quality and condition? When? onstage or in the gym? because years ago, most bbers looked like fucking ompa-loompas in the offseason. now guys are leaner than they've ever been, at higher bodyweights in the offseason... and back in the 80's and 90's diuretic use was 'allowed/abused' much moreso compared to today.
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Question: would the results be comparable if one took a very low dose of letro vs an average dose of Adex or Aromasin? See what I'm saying?
from what science says aromasin is the strogest.
hard to compare.
letro and adex are comparable though.
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1- so most guys who take high doses must not train hard or intense?
2- looooong before UGL's, guy's would take huge amounts of drugs and still not be the "monsters" most inexperienced people would expect to be taking 5-10g/wk.
3- even if the guy is new and doesn't know what the drug is doing, does that mean the drug ISN'T doing what it does for 90% of the guys who use it?
4- yea, all steroid users are 'lazy'... heard that one before. ::)
overall quality and condition? When? onstage or in the gym? because years ago, most bbers looked like fucking ompa-loompas in the offseason. now guys are leaner than they've ever been, at higher bodyweights in the offseason... and back in the 80's and 90's diuretic use was 'allowed/abused' much moreso compared to today.
Hello, are you trying to be clever or pick a verbal fight with your childish writing & answers.
Are you able to read and properly understand.
1. i didnt say they didnt train hard and or intense, I asked the question if they do.
2. Yes there probably was a lot of drug taking & not that many monsters, as in all sports now there are more people involved and and with more people Better genetics.
3. Yet again i didnt state that the drugs were not doing what they were meant to do, only that with so many compounds at once it becomes harder to determine what the effects are. harder but not impossible. ::)
4.No all steroid user's are not lazy, in many cases quite the opposite in fact, we train very hard,watch our diets,do our cardio, work on having a Positve mental attitude,ect,ect.
I see just as many fat water baby's now as i did see back then.
Although the trend in off season competitive bodybuilders does seem to be that they are keeping leaner.
As for excess diuretic use who knows and with all the information around now on it's negative impact on the
body why would they be daft enough to abuse it.
Pls try to read and comprehend, and the aggressive/ nonchalant tone of your reply is not necessary,
i'm sure your able to respond in a more articulate manner to get your views across. :)
Thank you.
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good point the old schoolers who are lifted to heaven, they looked like shit off season, they mad sure theres no pics of that,or very few.
but it is true that often ppl theses days overdo the drugs just in case, to be safe or whatever.
but then theres many jacked guys who are on much less than one would think.
and well often ppl are on varrying stacks during the year.
the most severe mis-use i find is seen in twinks who want it too fast.
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Hello, are you trying to be clever or pick a verbal fight with your childish writing & answers.
Are you able to read and properly understand.
1. i didnt say they didnt train hard and or intense, I asked the question if they do.
2. Yes there probably was a lot of drug taking & not that many monsters, as in all sports now there are more people involved and and with more people Better genetics.
3. Yet again i didnt state that the drugs were not doing what they were meant to do, only that with so many compounds at once it becomes harder to determine what the effects are. harder but not impossible. ::)
4.No all steroid user's are not lazy, in many cases quite the opposite in fact, we train very hard,watch our diets,do our cardio, work on having a Positve mental attitude,ect,ect.
I see just as many fat water baby's now as i did see back then.
Although the trend in off season competitive bodybuilders does seem to be that they are keeping leaner.
As for excess diuretic use who knows and with all the information around now on it's negative impact on the
body why would they be daft enough to abuse it.
Pls try to read and comprehend, and the aggressive/ nonchalant tone of your reply is not necessary,
i'm sure your able to respond in a more articulate manner to get your views across. :)
Thank you.
I'm sure I can too..
but I dont' care to.. given your tone. we've all see it before.. the pompous, arrogant "steroid users don't train hard and rely on drugs".. it's even worse when it comes from another steroid user who thinks he's above other steroid users because he 'uses less' or whatever.
I didn't even bother reading 90% of your post, since I've read it from people like you before for 15+ years.
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I'm sure I can too..
but I dont' care to.. given your tone. we've all see it before.. the pompous, arrogant "steroid users don't train hard and rely on drugs".. it's even worse when it comes from another steroid user who thinks he's above other steroid users because he 'uses less' or whatever.
I didn't even bother reading 90% of your post, since I've read it from people like you before for 15+ years.
I think you should take the time to read my post, and by the sound of it some other peoples too.
You may actually be able to come back with positive answers.. NOT your wild made up claims or
interpretation of what has been written.
I think it's you who has the Pompous I know Better than everyone Attitude.
I also never said how much gear & for how long i have been using gear. yet again wrong assumption.
Given your response It's That Behaviour we have all seen before and are tired of From People Like you
over the last 25+ yrs.
Previous to this, i have read some of your msgs and Believed you had some good points to Bring to
the Boards in general.
I don't know you and what you have experienced or achieved & like wise you know Nothing of what i have
experienced or achieved. Respect.
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from what science says aromasin is the strogest.
hard to compare.
letro and adex are comparable though.
aromas in got no rebound. Right?