6'1", 230lbs, Natural pro, Muscelmania europe 2013 winner.
Is this the ideal pussy pulling physique?
Buchanan esque waistline, arnold pose duplicated.
Fella has some serious width just standing there!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVfhPLTIAAAOv65.jpg:large)
6'1", 230lbs, Natural pro, Muscelmania europe 2013 winner.Great, physique natural ::)!
Is this the ideal pussy pulling physique?
Buchanan esque waistline, arnold pose duplicated.
Fella has some serious width just standing there!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVfhPLTIAAAOv65.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXn8hInIgAANPBB.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTebIxSIMAAtGJm.jpg:large)
What's with the angry poop in the butt faces on these two guys? "Natural"?
As natural as buttsex with men.
this can't be real life. panda fella has the perfect physique
any competition pics? I love a good debate/discussion... so I'll be the sole voice to say maybe he isn't on the gas. At 6 foot 1, with that frame, he SHOULD be 180 or 190 pounds without lifting. Toss in 4-5 years of consistent lifting, supps, eating a ton, and the fact he doesn't look "ripped" in those pics and 230 may be a stretch, they're at a flattering angle, and those arms and legs are clearly skinny by pro standards...Delts and traps are too full to be 100% nattt IMHO.
I dunno... I expect to see delts and quads way bigger if he's on gear. all packed with receptors and whatnot... those shoulders and quads say natty to me.
(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/533064_540773332619771_688129512_n.jpg)
any competition pics? I love a good debate/discussion... so I'll be the sole voice to say maybe he isn't on the gas. At 6 foot 1, with that frame, he SHOULD be 180 or 190 pounds without lifting. Toss in 4-5 years of consistent lifting, supps, eating a ton, and the fact he doesn't look "ripped" in those pics and 230 may be a stretch, they're at a flattering angle, and those arms and legs are clearly skinny by pro standards...like 6th place cutler..
I dunno... I expect to see delts and quads way bigger if he's on gear. all packed with receptors and whatnot... those shoulders and quads say natty to me.
(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/533064_540773332619771_688129512_n.jpg)
any competition pics? I love a good debate/discussion... so I'll be the sole voice to say maybe he isn't on the gas. At 6 foot 1, with that frame, he SHOULD be 180 or 190 pounds without lifting. Toss in 4-5 years of consistent lifting, supps, eating a ton, and the fact he doesn't look "ripped" in those pics and 230 may be a stretch, they're at a flattering angle, and those arms and legs are clearly skinny by pro standards...
I dunno... I expect to see delts and quads way bigger if he's on gear. all packed with receptors and whatnot... those shoulders and quads say natty to me.
(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/533064_540773332619771_688129512_n.jpg)
i still cant believe you have people seriously debating this... take a random bodybuilder from the 70's gassed to the gills and compare... he is bigger than mr prabolin serge nube for exampleThis! Serge was 6ft and competed at 210!
yep,,, excellent physique, what most guys withgoodamazing genetics will look like without total abuse/mega dosing
Delts and traps are too full to be 100% nattt IMHO.
ftfy
seriously this guy's got top notch 1 in a million black genetics
1 in a billion possibly for a white fella
6'1", 230lbs, Natural pro, Muscelmania europe 2013 winner.fucking incredible structure on the guy on the left. and fuck no he's not natural lmao
Is this the ideal pussy pulling physique?
Buchanan esque waistline, arnold pose duplicated.
Fella has some serious width just standing there!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVfhPLTIAAAOv65.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXn8hInIgAANPBB.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTebIxSIMAAtGJm.jpg:large)
any competition pics? I love a good debate/discussion... so I'll be the sole voice to say maybe he isn't on the gas. At 6 foot 1, with that frame, he SHOULD be 180 or 190 pounds without lifting. Toss in 4-5 years of consistent lifting, supps, eating a ton, and the fact he doesn't look "ripped" in those pics and 230 may be a stretch, they're at a flattering angle, and those arms and legs are clearly skinny by pro standards...
I dunno... I expect to see delts and quads way bigger if he's on gear. all packed with receptors and whatnot... those shoulders and quads say natty to me.
(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/533064_540773332619771_688129512_n.jpg)
blk genetics
a white guy would have to take drugs all day eat and then maybe be able to take a photo like this one second after doing a full body workout hahahaa
6'1", 230lbs, Natural pro, Muscelmania europe 2013 winner.
Is this the ideal pussy pulling physique?
Buchanan esque waistline, arnold pose duplicated.
Fella has some serious width just standing there!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVfhPLTIAAAOv65.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXn8hInIgAANPBB.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTebIxSIMAAtGJm.jpg:large)
That upper body is absolutely insane... this guy hit the biggest genetic lottery of all time.It's the look that he knows that he has "hit the biggest genetic lottery of all time."
He's got a really stupid look on his face all the time, though.
Anyone who thinks he's natural is completely clueless.
He's tall... compare him to Wade/Lebron... also amazing genetics, height, lines... and they don't bodybuild.At 6'3 he'd still look lanky at 280...he'd have to compete at 300+.
One could argue he adds 5 years of heavy lifting, great nutrition... it's possible. He's lanky, although highly muscular. he's NOT thick like a pro. He'd get defeated by balanced and THICKER NPC athletes. 230 at 6 foot 3? that's thin. back and thighs are years away. I call natty.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=504745.0;attach=541118;image)
At 6'3 he'd still look lanky at 280...he'd have to compete at 300+.
Reminds me of a black Stan McQuay.how? Stan looks awesome, but I don't see the comparison.
how? Stan looks awesome, but I don't see the comparison.Broad shoulders with tats on them, small waist, starting winning BB contest in so called natural shows like muscle mania. Has good looks, just to name a few.
Broad shoulders with tats on them, small waist, starting winning BB contest in so called natural shows like muscle mania. Has good looks, just to name a few.His shoulder to waist ratio is more inline with Brian Buchanan...ain't like Stan's. Also if you look at the vid, he's got very long arms and legs, built like a basketball player---Small Fwd.
blk genetics
a white guy would have to take drugs all day eat and then maybe be able to take a photo like this one second after doing a full body workout hahahaa
His shoulder to waist ratio is more inline with Brian Buchanan...ain't like Stan's. Also if you look at the vid, he's got very long arms and legs, built like a basketball player---Small Fwd.When Stan was in muscle mania his waist was alot smaller than in the IFBB. Stan looks tall in the 212 class even though he is short himself. I think Stan could do very well in mens physique if he wanted. Panda has a good waist, but he is no Brain Buchanan.
Physically he's very different than Stan. Other than Musclemania and the tats, looks, I don't see anything else.
There are white guys with better physiques.....
If we're talking aesthetics, this has never been equalled -
Its is amazing how some guys can tell pretty much exactly what drugs a man used by simply looking at a picture ...
When Stan was in muscle mania his waist was alot smaller than in the IFBB. Stan looks tall in the 212 class even though he is short himself. I think Stan could do very well in mens physique if he wanted. Panda has a good waist, but he is no Brain Buchanan.No, he's no Brian Buchanan, I said more inline---his relaxed taper in pics is great, but he doesn't have the lats to give that "flare"...
equaled? nah, we blew right past that shit... decades ago.
Feel free to post up a more aesthetically pleasing physique.
i don't keep pics of bbers on my pc. lol
equaled? nah, we blew right past that shit... decades ago.
Toss out a name, then.
If we're talking aesthetics, this has never been equalled -Every physique can be picked sort. There is no "perfect" physique...
equaled? nah, we blew right past that shit... decades ago.
Reminds me of a black Stan McQuay.
He's tall... compare him to Wade/Lebron... also amazing genetics, height, lines... and they don't bodybuild.
One could argue he adds 5 years of heavy lifting, great nutrition... it's possible. He's lanky, although highly muscular. he's NOT thick like a pro. He'd get defeated by balanced and THICKER NPC athletes. 230 at 6 foot 3? that's thin. back and thighs are years away. I call natty.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=504745.0;attach=541118;image)
Lee Haney wasn't aesthetically pleasing?
Flex Wheeler wasn't aesthetically pleasing?
just to name a couple...
or by "aesthetically pleasing" did you mean skinny? or "eh, i'm good enough.. i'll quit where I am".
Lee Haney wasn't aesthetically pleasing?
Flex Wheeler wasn't aesthetically pleasing?
just to name a couple...
or by "aesthetically pleasing" did you mean skinny? or "eh, i'm good enough.. i'll quit where I am".
Every physique can be picked sort. There is no "perfect" physique...
And Paris had a long waist look to him.
Correct
Add Chris Cormier to that list
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/cormier/cc126.jpg)
(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/8/6/869287.1136224455548.cc.jpg)
Haney and Wheeler are not even in the same galaxy aesthetically.
Both are more developed, by far, but standing relaxed neither come close to the ideal structure, lines and proportion of Paris.
Paris was as close to 'perfect' as any pro has ever been.
Well that's just it.....Bob Paris was probably the best looking bodybuilder when just standing there. But he lost something in most poses. Hence why everyone always posts a picture of him just standing there.100 PCT TRUE ,he was not small at times he was over 230 plus on stage but when he did traditional bbing poses he lost it somewhere,he had long torso and big legs ,when he did artistic poses he looked great ,but a side chest or fdb he would somehow not open up or 'pop'weird,dennis newman was a bigger version maybe not 100 pct same look relaxed but same kinda look relaxed wide shoulders/big legs but he posed and looked good in most basic poses 'prejudging 'type.
Sure this Panda-fellow isn't gay? :D
He sure loves to pose with his friends in the lockerrooms!
(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/533064_540773332619771_688129512_n.jpg)
In action....He should stick to modeling, can make a whole lot more money, and not destroy his health!
Natural.... Lol c'mon guys. This is all fast ester and orals. Low to moderate dosages very good build::) moderate doses? this guy is on everything under the kitchen sink. holy fuck there are more juicers out there under 200 pounds than over.
::) moderate doses? this guy is on everything under the kitchen sink. holy fuck there are more juicers out there under 200 pounds than over.
Seen Simeon in personLike a basketball player that lifts, correct?
He's not as big as everyone is making out , but has a good physique narrow waist and great traps are his standout...
A lot of jealousy in this thread.
safe to say the fella looks absolutely outstanding just stood there, great clavicle width with crazy small waist. But he looks very lanky in the video and how long are his arms!?THIS^^^
Even 190lb zane would school him on being complete.
Like a basketball player that lifts, correct?Saw him at the bodyfit expo and while he isn't a big big guy IMO he had one of the best if not the best physique there.... All the pros look pregnant ... Short and too big for there height.
Dude has great traps, arms, chest.
Yes bc everyone is natural these days that compete in bbing , they are very honest too , when they claim natural they are most likely natural
Esp if they compete in musclemania which is tested.....
Yes bc everyone is natural these days that compete in bbing , they are very honest too , when they claim natural they are most likely natural
Esp if they compete in musclemania which is tested.....
Have you heard of rob riches?
Seen Simeon in person
He's not as big as everyone is making out , but has a good physique narrow waist and great traps are his standout...
A lot of jealousy in this thread.
THIS - When a guy uses steroids, he grows. Everywhere. This dude? That back looks untrained. Those quads, MAYBE leg extensions or machines... shoulders and quads don't look big, and that's the first thing that grows on people. He looks like a dude that trained arms for 8 years and the rest of the body for 2 years.
he'll be a very good BBer in a few years, but the opening pic on this thread is the BEST ONE (and most people believe it's shopped). Each following pic is worse. Dude's natural. He has potential, he has killer arms and looks great, really impressive... but not as a complete bber and he could certainly be a natural.
blk genetics
a white guy would have to take drugs all day eat and then maybe be able to take a photo like this one second after doing a full body workout hahahaa
ftfy
seriously this guy's got top notch 1 in a million black genetics
1 in a billion possibly for a white fella
Which is why I think he might be natural.
BBers are always stretching their weight. When I hear 230, I think 218. He has crazy good lines, but he's not big, he's not thick, considering his height. Those thighs are small for his frame. Back is at least 15 pounds from being on par with the rest of him. Compare hand & head with the rest of him - If dude hit the sauce and bulked up 25-30 pounds of real muscle, he'd look like a top NPC guy. But he doesn't.
A lot of people freak when they see that mirror pic. But every other pic of him is LESS impressive. Dieted down, this would be VERY small by NPC standards (at that height), and other dudes at 5 9 and 230 pounds would wreck him. He's not big for his frame (yet) - Good chance of natty.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=504745.0;attach=541117;image)
lol lets not get carried away this guy is not ronnie coleman. Besides...There are white guys with better physiques..... a young dennis newman would put the whopping on him.
If we're talking aesthetics, this has never been equalled -Agreed. All the girls in the gym loved Bob Paris, to bad he was gay.
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does anyone know off hand what height Arnold is and what he weighed when he competed?6'1 215-235/240 depending on yr mro lowest 80 fiasco a dry lean arnold less than 220 ..
6'1 215-235/240 depending on yr mro lowest 80 fiasco a dry lean arnold less than 220 ..
Lol I think Mr Revelation was trying to make a point. Namely, that this guy has the same stats as Arnold, who--incidentally--was on a good bit of juicei figured ,still thought in a sorta sarcastic way he wanted a comparison lol
Lol I think Mr Revelation was trying to make a point. Namely, that this guy has the same stats as Arnold, who--incidentally--was on a good bit of juice
THIS - When a guy uses steroids, he grows. Everywhere. This dude? That back looks untrained. Those quads, MAYBE leg extensions or machines... shoulders and quads don't look big, and that's the first thing that grows on people. He looks like a dude that trained arms for 8 years and the rest of the body for 2 years.man, those legs and back dont look well on npc stage maybe, but they not small by any means.
he'll be a very good BBer in a few years, but the opening pic on this thread is the BEST ONE (and most people believe it's shopped). Each following pic is worse. Dude's natural. He has potential, he has killer arms and looks great, really impressive... but not as a complete bber and he could certainly be a natural.
:)
i figured ,still thought in a sorta sarcastic way he wanted a comparison lol
Would you mind making a thread sharing your thoughts on diet/juice/training? I'm sure many would find it enlightening, and it would certainly spark some good discussion
A very honest man with great integrity?
got to admit the contest pics tell a different story to gym shots...
got to admit the contest pics tell a different story to gym shots...yeah but thats still 1000mg weekl natural.
yeah but thats still 1000mg weekl natural.THE MASTER HAS SPOKETH...
on the contest stage ,random pics ruthlessly expose all the flaws, when you cant pick you favourite pose :D
there was some random pics of me where i was unprepred for the shot, when i seen them i tought which twink is that ;D ;D
i find it fubby when ppl claim this is natty, they do so bc deep inside they hope they too can get there, naturaly, and if not, then with only a little bit help, since the panda guy is natty after all.im sure you follow the "logic" ;D
someone said he lok smaler in person, lol, no shit,everyone whos shredded will look kinda smaller than thought in person.
by all means, those who belive natty, feel free to duplicate the development.
and to the daydreamers who say hes got a weak back, lol, compared to what?to the olympia lineup?
go to see an regional amateur show and see the development of the backs there,then you know where panda guy is.
arnolds stats and more shredded than arnold,or about the same.good point.
btw, local hero this isnt adressed to you, i know you know what you talking about.
it's not amazing when you've taken probably every anabolic under the sun, know what each one does, the look it brings, and have paid attention to those details at every body fat level.
it's called experience. you have to remember a lot of guys posting here aren't just poking themselves ignorantly and randomly w no clue what they are doing, some have decades of experience.
I'm one of those guys and there are a few others here I've noticed who know what's going on- guys w a lot of knowledge and first hand experience.
I can pretty much tell what someone is using. anabolics are like a fingerprint. each one is different. they bring different looks when used correctly. what's difficult to tell is dosages. impossible imo.