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according to his trainer Charlie Francis, 2 sets of 6 reps all below parallel at his peak. At a bodyweight of less than 200 pounds.
Anyone believe this?
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Yes. 600 for a couple reps, yes that's believable.
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2:45ish in the clip -
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Can believe #600, not so sure on the reps.
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ben also benched 407 for 2 according to Charlie.
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for those of you to young to remember ben johnson lost his olympic gold medal because he failed the drug test in I think 88?
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2:45ish in the clip -
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Can believe #600, not so sure on the reps.
Maybe at the peak of his strength cycle.
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for those of you to young to remember ben johnson lost his olympic gold medal because he failed the drug test in I think 88?
yep to carl lewis. I think he started off with winny and moved on to Dbol later because it bothered his joints. 3 weeks on 3 weeks off, very basic protocols. I don't know if these guys used test or not. Dbol seems like a strange choice for a sprinter. Why not equipoise? it was designed to make for faster race horses afterall
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Well that was 495 for 6- so maybe 600 for 2 .
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Most elite sprinters are strong as f**k. It's a power sport. Speed is power, power in sprinting = a greater forced application. Drugs or not, he was would have been a 475lb + squatter. When I go to USC to observe, I see the some of the athlete on the mens track team out squatting the football players. As far as upper body, the power has to be just as equal since upper body power is at lease 20% + in sprinting. The greater arm action and elbow drive the more power translates to the lower body, for every action there's a opposite and equal reaction.
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yep to carl lewis. I think he started off with winny and moved on to Dbol later because it bothered his joints. 3 weeks on 3 weeks off, very basic protocols. I don't know if these guys used test or not. Dbol seems like a strange choice for a sprinter. Why not equipoise? it was designed to make for faster race horses afterall
They all used tons of shit including growth hormone. Ben had his own doctor (steroid guru) on staff by the team. You don't have your own doctor for some measly dbol pills..Dude was on tons of shit - just like every other Olympic athlete.
Talk about the people who used heavy GH needing to wear braces (Carl Lewis):
Talk about all kinds of Olympic and sports doping straight from the O.G. himself:
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thanks for that video 8)
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Squatted heavy-ass weights, and was lanky....so much for the "strength=size" theory
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according to his trainer Charlie Francis, 2 sets of 6 reps all below parallel at his peak. At a bodyweight of less than 200 pounds.
Anyone believe this?
He weighed 165 back in 1988.
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according to his trainer Charlie Francis, 2 sets of 6 reps all below parallel at his peak. At a bodyweight of less than 200 pounds.
Anyone believe this?
Yes, I believe it. I know Ben personally. That man had muscles on his muscles. lol.
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yep to carl lewis. I think he started off with winny and moved on to Dbol later because it bothered his joints. 3 weeks on 3 weeks off, very basic protocols. I don't know if these guys used test or not. Dbol seems like a strange choice for a sprinter. Why not equipoise? it was designed to make for faster race horses afterall
in charllie Francis book speed trap he goes on whst his athletes took including ben. The dbol was 3w on 3weeks off they cykled like that for months on 10-15mg. The took winny to at wery low doses (according to francis you never know if its the truth) and it was stanozolol they found in his test. But the strsnge thing is it was in so high concentrated thst he must have tsken a very high dose 1 hour before the finals and ben should knew better. Victor conte said that carl lewis coach was let in where ben johnson was when he was waiting to take the test and bem was drinking a beer, according to victor it is a bkg chamce that carl lewis coach spiked the beer with stanozol.
But no one will find out what really happen but ben johson knew how many weeks before he should stop to beat the test and that it would make no sense to take a big dose 1 hour before the finals
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics/athletics/7403158.stm
Dear Dwain,
Per your request, this letter is to confirm I am willing to assist you in providing UK Sport and others with information that will help them to improve the effectiveness of their anti-doping programs.
The specific details regarding how you were able to circumvent the British and IAAF anti-doping tests for an extended period of time are provided below.
Your performance enhancing drug program included the following seven prohibited substances: THG, testosterone/epitestosterone cream, EPO (Procrit), HGH (Serostim), insulin (Humalog), modafinil (Provigil) and liothryonine, which is a synthetic form of the T3 thyroid hormone (Cytomel).
THG is a previously undetectable designer steroid nicknamed "the clear." It was primarily used in the off season and was taken two days per week, typically on Mondays and Wednesdays. Generally, these were the two most intense weight-training days of the week. The purpose was to accelerate healing and tissue repair. Thirty units (IU) of the liquid was place under the tongue during the morning time-frame. THG was used in cycles of "three weeks on and one week off."
Testosterone/epitestosterone cream was also primarily used during the off season. It was rubbed into the skin on the front of the forearm two days per week, typically Tuesdays and Thursdays. The dosage was ― gram which contained 50mg of testosterone and 2.5mg of epitestosterone (20 to 1 ratio). The purpose was to offset the suppression of endogenous testosterone caused by the use of the THG and to accelerate recovery. The testosterone/epitestosterone cream was also used in cycles of three weeks on and one week off.
EPO was used three days per week during the "corrective phase", which is the first two weeks of a cycle. Typically, it was on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. It was only used once per week during the "maintenance phase" thereafter, typically this was every Wednesday. The dosage was 4,000 IU per injection. The purpose was to increase the red blood cell count and enhance oxygen uptake and utilization. This substance provides a big advantage to sprinters because it enables them to do more track repetitions and obtain a much deeper training load during the off season. EPO becomes undetectable about 72 hours after subcutaneous injection (stomach) and only 24 hours after intravenous injection.
HGH was used three nights per week, typically on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. Each injection would contain 4.5 units of growth hormone. Once again, this substance was used primarily during the off season to help with recovery from very strenuous weight training sessions.
Insulin was used after strenuous weight training sessions during the off season. Three units of Humalog (fast-acting insulin) were injected immediately after the workout sessions together with a powdered drink that contained 30 grams of dextrose, 30 grams of whey protein isolates and 3 grams of creatine. The purpose was to quickly replenish glycogen, resynthesize ATP and promote protein synthesis and muscle growth. Insulin acts as a "shuttle system" in the transport of glucose and branch chain amino acids. There is no test available for insulin at this time.
Modafinil was used as a "wakefulness promoting" agent before competitions. The purpose was to decrease fatigue and enhance mental alertness and reaction time. A 200mg tablet was consumed one hour before competition.
Liothryonine was used help accelerate the basic metabolic rate before competitions. The purpose was to reduce sluggishness and increase quickness. Two 25mg tablets were taken one hour before competition. There is no test available for liothryonine at this time.
In general terms, explosive strength athletes, such as sprinters, use anabolic steroids, growth hormone, insulin and EPO during the off season. They use these drugs in conjunction with an intense weight training program, which helps to develop a strength base that will serve them throughout the competitive season. Speed work is done just prior to the start of the competitive season.
It is important to understand it is not really necessary for athletes to have access to designer anabolic steroids such as THG. They can simply use fast-acting testosterone (oral as well as creams and gels) and still easily avoid the testers. For example, oral testosterone will clear the system in less than a week and testosterone creams and gels will clear even faster.
Many drug-tested athletes use what I call the "duck and dodge" technique. Several journalists in the UK have recently referred to it as the "duck and dive" technique. This is basically how it works.
First, the athlete repeatedly calls their own cell phone until the message capacity is full. This way the athlete can claim to the testers that they didn't get a message when they finally decide to make themselves available. Secondly, they provide incorrect information on their whereabouts form. They say they are going to one place and then go to another. Thereafter, they start using testosterone, growth hormone and other drugs for a short cycle of two to three weeks.
After the athlete discontinues using the drugs for a few days and they know that they will test clean, they become available and resume training at their regular facility.
Most athletes are tested approximately two times each year on a random out-of -competition basis. If a tester shows up and the athlete is not where they are supposed to be, then the athlete will receive a "missed test". This is the equivalent to receiving "strike one" when up to bat in a baseball game. The current anti-doping rules allow an athlete to have two missed tests in any given eighteen-month period without a penalty or consequence. So, the disadvantage for an athlete having a missed test is that they have one strike against them. The advantage of that missed test is the athlete has now received the benefit of a cycle of steroids. Long story short, an athlete can continue to duck and dive until they have two missed tests, which basically means that they can continue to use drugs until that time.
In summary, it's my opinion that more than fifty percent of the drug tests performed each year should be during the off season or the fourth quarter. This is when the track athletes are duckin' and divin' and using anabolic steroids and other drugs. Let me provide some rather startling information for your consideration. If you check the testing statistics on the USADA website, you will find that the number of out-of-competition drug tests performed during each quarter of 2007 are as follows: in the first quarter there were 1208, second quarter 1295, third quarter 1141 and in the fourth quarter there were only 642.
In late 2003 I advised USADA about the importance of random testing during the fourth quarter of the year. They did initially seem to follow my advice because they increased the number of fourth-quarter tests in 2004, 2005 and 2006.
However, they failed to continue this practice in 2007. Why would USADA decide to perform only 15% of their annual out-of-competition tests during the fourth quarter? Let's not forget that this is the off season before the upcoming summer Olympic Games. This is equivalent to a fisherman knowing that the fish are ready to bite and then consciously deciding that it is time to reel in his line and hook, lean his fishing pole up against a tree and take a nap.
On several occasions, I have provided detailed information to both USADA and WADA in an attempt to help them establish more effective testing policies and procedures.
I certainly have more information that I would like the opportunity to provide to you and UK Sport, but I will leave that for another time.
Hopefully, this information will be helpful and I am available to assist you further upon request.
Yours sincerely,
Victor Conte
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Yes, I believe it. I know Ben personally. That man had muscles on his muscles. lol.
doesn't look like it in the videos. If you take a look at him squatting his trainers legs are thicker than him. Saw pictures of him where he looked a good 20 pounds heavier though and upper body was very well developed.
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This gentleman weighed 98lbs as a teen a maxed out at a grand total of 165lbs after ten years or solid training. Then broke the world 100m record.
He spent most of his career getting beat but had a huge breakthrough when he figured out how to finish his race.
still has the best start of any sprinter and could have run even faster
freakish power too
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5'9" 165lb
10 YEARS of serious training on juice!
BUT!!!
We have NATURALS in bodybuilding that shit of these stats!!!!
:D
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/5/23/1337772628902/sport-006.jpg)
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http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/24/athletics.duncanmackay
Lewis has now acknowledged that he failed three tests during the 1988 US Olympic trials, which under international rules at the time should have prevented him from competing in the Seoul games two months later.
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In the video hes doing a half rep with someone helping him
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in charllie Francis book speed trap he goes on whst his athletes took including ben. The dbol was 3w on 3weeks off they cykled like that for months on 10-15mg. The took winny to at wery low doses (according to francis you never know if its the truth) and it was stanozolol they found in his test. But the strsnge thing is it was in so high concentrated thst he must have tsken a very high dose 1 hour before the finals and ben should knew better. Victor conte said that carl lewis coach was let in where ben johnson was when he was waiting to take the test and bem was drinking a beer, according to victor it is a bkg chamce that carl lewis coach spiked the beer with stanozol.
But no one will find out what really happen but ben johson knew how many weeks before he should stop to beat the test and that it would make no sense to take a big dose 1 hour before the finals
There's no doubt he was set up. How else does someone test positive for a substance they weren't even taking? It was all about money. There was a heckuva lot of money in endorsement deals on the line, and there were those willing to ensure at any cost that the money didn't elude their interest. PERIOD!
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2:45ish in the clip -
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Can believe #600, not so sure on the reps.
Above parallel, from box, 5 plates, which means itīs way lighter than a regular squat. Would maybe squat 5 plates deep, never 600 for 6 reps.
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Above parallel, from box, 5 plates, which means itīs way lighter than a regular squat. Would maybe squat 5 plates deep, never 600 for 6 reps.
They were box squats with his trainer literally pulling him up on every rep. No way can he even squat what he has on the bar there to below parallel on his own. So 5 plates which I would guess are 45s , so probably 495 box squats with a lot of assistance from spotter, no way can he get anywhere near 600 x 6 below parallel.
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I agree conker. Interesting though, Iīve trained with a national level sprinter, and all he did was partials with 450/500 pounds. He said full squats were not beneficial for him. Little fucker was strong as hell though. He would hang powerclean double bodyweight like it was nothing . Everytime I said `dude try more weight` he would say nah... maybe next time, feels heavy. ;D
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doesn't look like it in the videos. If you take a look at him squatting his trainers legs are thicker than him. Saw pictures of him where he looked a good 20 pounds heavier though and upper body was very well developed.
It may not look like it in the video, perhaps because that video was taken 10 years AFTER the Seoul games.
I've seen some shots of Ben where the muscle definition was CRAAAZY!
I don't think I'd ever seen striations like that before. It was unreal!
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Great Video Retrospective from the runners in that race, ...and a few others.
This sure brought back memories...
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There's no doubt he was set up. How else does someone test positive for a substance they weren't even taking? It was all about money. There was a heckuva lot of money in endorsement deals on the line, and there were those willing to ensure at any cost that the money didn't elude their interest. PERIOD!
if i dont remember wrong but im 90% sure that according to his trainer in his book ben did cykle on winstrol. But hr knew to how many weeks b4 he should stop it. Thats the strange thing
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There is a "little" difference between bench squats (or box squats) and an actual squat.
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They were box squats with his trainer literally pulling him up on every rep. No way can he even squat what he has on the bar there to below parallel on his own. So 5 plates which I would guess are 45s , so probably 495 box squats with a lot of assistance from spotter, no way can he get anywhere near 600 x 6 below parallel.
this. I would put his one rep max to proper depth without his buddy buttfucking him at about 475......maybe.
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If anyone could do 600 x 6, they'd look a little more like Jon Cole than Ben Johnson.
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There is a "little" difference between bench squats (or box squats) and an actual squat.
Depends what you call little. I donīt do those anymore, but when I did a few years back, from that height, I could easily squat 60 to 80 pounds more compared to full. I agree with conkers he probably deep squatted high 400īs. Which is still triple bodyweight.
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Those figures seem a little inflated to me. I remember BBC commentator Ron Pickering saying that He saw Johnson benching 315 in the gym at 165Lbs bodyweight.
As for a 600 squat for 2...possible but more like 500-550 to parallel.
He was one of the most explosive athletes in any sport i have ever seen.
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There is a "little" difference between bench squats (or box squats) and an actual squat.
It depends on the stance and if it's just a "touch and go" type of box squat or a sitting box squat.
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Charlie Francis? Charlie Francis? Well if Charlie Francis said it, it must be true. I would believe something Don King said before believing Charlie Francis.
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Have you seen harry aikines-aryeetey?! Biggest sprinter ive ever seen, trains like an animal
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The thing to remember is that the squat video is 10 years or so after a prime Johnson, so you'd have to take that into account. I do think he could grind out a #600 or so in prime shape at perhaps a slightly heavier training weight. I don't believe the rep count, and depth? Well depth, is something that spectacularly subjective.
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Have you seen harry aikines-aryeetey?! Biggest sprinter ive ever seen, trains like an animal
fool's pretty jacked
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Maybe at the peak of his strength cycle.
I'm pretty sure that clip of him squatting was well after he was caught juicing and was planning a come back that never materialized.
They said in the Olympic village he was putting on a strength demonstration days prior to breaking the world record. He benched over 400 with a tee shirt after doing other sets for a couple of reps He weighed about 165lbs.
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I'm pretty sure that clip of him squatting was well after he was caught juicing and was planning a come back that never materialized.
They said in the Olympic village he was putting on a strength demonstration days prior to breaking the world record. He benched over 400 with a tee shirt after doing other sets for a couple of reps He weighed about 165lbs.
Imagine if the guy didn't restrict calories to limit his weight gain and was walking around at 260 plus...
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Imagine if the guy didn't restrict calories to limit his weight gain and was walking around at 260 plus...
He never would have ran as fast as he did. Would have squatted a shitload.
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Charlie Francis? Charlie Francis? Well if Charlie Francis said it, it must be true. I would believe something Don King said before believing Charlie Francis.
haha yes. No one is never going to know for sure if it doesnt come from brn himself....i think francis even said his sthletes took 2mg winny only per Day haha
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in charllie Francis book speed trap he goes on whst his athletes took including ben. The dbol was 3w on 3weeks off they cykled like that for months on 10-15mg. The took winny to at wery low doses (according to francis you never know if its the truth) and it was stanozolol they found in his test. But the strsnge thing is it was in so high concentrated thst he must have tsken a very high dose 1 hour before the finals and ben should knew better. Victor conte said that carl lewis coach was let in where ben johnson was when he was waiting to take the test and bem was drinking a beer, according to victor it is a bkg chamce that carl lewis coach spiked the beer with stanozol.
But no one will find out what really happen but ben johson knew how many weeks before he should stop to beat the test and that it would make no sense to take a big dose 1 hour before the finals
its not strange at all.
winny has no ester, and can be released very randomly over next 8 days after taking it.
this is what the company who produces it says, they will be right.
it has no half worth time like other steroids.its released into bloodstream differently.
very poor choice to use when being drug tested.
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its not strange at all.
winny has no ester, and can be released very randomly over next 8 days after taking it.
this is what the company who produces it says, they will be right.
it has no half worth time like other steroids.its released into bloodstream differently.
very poor choice to use when being drug tested.
ok havent heard that before but he should vave knlw to stop it sah 3 weeks before. You would think they knew exactly when to stop to be clean at that level..thats why there are conspiracy theories that someone spiked his drink
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PED
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ok havent heard that before but he should vave knlw to stop it sah 3 weeks before. You would think they knew exactly when to stop to be clean at that level..thats why there are conspiracy theories that someone spiked his drink
yeah, he most likley listen to some steroid guru who assumed if winny is effective to take every day,then half waort time must be very short etc.
when infact the packaging of pharmacy winstrol tells you how long it takes to clear the system.
even more crazy are tennis players etc who were caught with deca,lol, everyone knows how long that can be traced.
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Ben weighed anywhere from 173-180 between 87-88. I met him in 89 and he's about 5'11".
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if i dont remember wrong but im 90% sure that according to his trainer in his book ben did cykle on winstrol. But hr knew to how many weeks b4 he should stop it. Thats the strange thing
Charlie Francois said in the book that if Ben had taken Winny up to the race day, he would not have run that fast, staying on wouldn't have tightened his muscles or something.
People may knock Charlie Francois but he is the only one who came out and said everyone was using, then it was swept under the rug. Everyone else is a worse liar than anything he could say, at least he was telling the truth. It's like cycling now, all the commentators say the 90's was the drug era and they are now all clean, hahaha
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Great Video Retrospective from the runners in that race, ...and a few others.
This sure brought back memories...
Awesome vid!
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What a joke. The fact some believe this nonsense is further proof a majority of members haven't a clue about strength.
I lifted at a gym where Ben worked out, perhaps 20-odd years ago. He was muscular but slight (still in his best shape) and wasn't capable of squatting even 405 for several reps, unaided and to legal depth.
Six hundred for six?! Do some of you fools have ANY idea how strong this is?!! Johnson was a tremendous athlete but to suggest you believe such total and outrageous bullshit is unimagineable.
P.S. In that video, he's bouncing off a bench set above parallel with 495 (at the Variety Village community centre in Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada). He's got someone pulling on him, as well. And some wank in this thread says he is good for perhaps two at 600 because he does six or whatever reps with five plates in this style?!!!
I'm done with this shit, on this here board. If it's strength-related, it's guaranteed to be full of members who just have no idea.
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What a joke. The fact some believe this nonsense is further proof a majority of members haven't a clue about strength.
I lifted at a gym where Ben worked out, perhaps 20-odd years ago. He was muscular but slight (still in his best shape) and wasn't capable of squatting even 405 for several reps, unaided and to legal depth.
Six hundred for six?! Do some of you fools have ANY idea how strong this is?!! Johnson was a tremendous athlete but to suggest you believe such total and outrageous bullshit is unimagineable.
P.S. In that video, he's bouncing off a bench set above parallel with 495 (at the Variety Village community centre in Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada). He's got someone pulling on him, as well. And some wank in this thread says he is good for perhaps two at 600 because he does six or whatever reps with five plates in this style?!!!
I'm done with this shit, on this here board. If it's strength-related, it's guaranteed to be full of members who just have no idea.
I agree 600 might be exaggerated but you're equating this in powerlifting terms. It's not powerlifting.
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What a joke. The fact some believe this nonsense is further proof a majority of members haven't a clue about strength.
I lifted at a gym where Ben worked out, perhaps 20-odd years ago. He was muscular but slight (still in his best shape) and wasn't capable of squatting even 405 for several reps, unaided and to legal depth.
Six hundred for six?! Do some of you fools have ANY idea how strong this is?!! Johnson was a tremendous athlete but to suggest you believe such total and outrageous bullshit is unimagineable.
P.S. In that video, he's bouncing off a bench set above parallel with 495 (at the Variety Village community centre in Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada). He's got someone pulling on him, as well. And some wank in this thread says he is good for perhaps two at 600 because he does six or whatever reps with five plates in this style?!!!
I'm done with this shit, on this here board. If it's strength-related, it's guaranteed to be full of members who just have no idea.
It's funny because I didn't even know ben squatted 600 until I WAS READING AN ARTICLE WRITTEN BY LOUIE FUCKING SIMMONS AND HE MENTIONED IT BEN SQUATTED 600 for reps.
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It's funny because I didn't even know ben squatted 600 until I WAS READING AN ARTICLE WRITTEN BY LOUIE FUCKING SIMMONS AND HE MENTIONED IT BEN SQUATTED 600 for reps.
Yeah, because Louie knows, right? And besides, what Lou has given to the sport of powerlifting is its own deterioration.
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Yeah, because Louie knows, right? And besides, what Lou has given to the sport of powerlifting is its own deterioration.
I'm going there in April. Please explain this comment.
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I'm going there in April. Please explain this comment.
I'll take a stab at this.
1. He's probably drug free
2. He probably hates equipment
3. He thinks guys who train with equipment can't lift for shit raw.
just something I've found in common with the guys who can't stand westside.
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I'll take a stab at this.
1. He's probably drug free
2. He probably hates equipment
3. He thinks guys who train with equipment can't lift for shit raw.
just something I've found in common with the guys who can't stand westside.
1. Yes
2. No. But I do think excessive gear has hurt the sport's credibility. No, I KNOW it has.
3. Not at all.
Louie did much for powerlifting, but for everything he's done, he has done even more harm. When an important figure in the sport states, "I don't know why someone who's drug-free would even train", well, what the hell.
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1. Yes
2. No. But I do think excessive gear has hurt the sport's credibility. No, I KNOW it has.
3. Not at all.
Louie did much for powerlifting, but for everything he's done, he has done even more harm. When an important figure in the sport states, "I don't know why someone who's drug-free would even train", well, what the hell.
Where did you read that?
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Where did you read that?
Didn't. The man himself uttered those words to me while speaking with one another on the phone.
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Didn't. The man himself uttered those words to me while speaking with one another on the phone.
I'm not calling you a liar so please don't take it that way. I've spoken to Louie on several occasions as well as email and have never heard him say that. What was the context of that conversation. I will agree you can't get to the elite level without it.
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I'm not calling you a liar so please don't take it that way. I've spoken to Louie on several occasions as well as email and have never heard him say that. What was the context of that conversation. I will agree you can't get to the elite level without it.
I was talking with him about the possibility of a drug-free lifter (and raw) achieving an Elite ranking. He thought long and said there MIGHT be someone out there who could, but to do so would be freakish (true. Those IPF rankings were undoubtably conceived from drug-aided performances). Then when I asked if a drug-free lifter could successfully lift at Westside, he suggested it could happen, but that lifter would be at such a huge recovery disadvantage that it was not likely to happen. I believe it was during this part of our convo that he asked why anyone drug-free would even bother lifting.
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I'm not calling you a liar so please don't take it that way. I've spoken to Louie on several occasions as well as email and have never heard him say that. What was the context of that conversation. I will agree you can't get to the elite level without it.
I imagine his attitude is that if you're not on drugs you're not dedicated, you're not doing everything you can to be your best. That's the impression I have from rading his stuff.
He also seems to have the same attitude about gear vs. raw, if you're not in gear you're not
"going all out." Really seems to diss the raw lifters. Gear is a joke, almost all powerlifters agree
actually IME, even the ones who compete in gear. When you bench more than you deadlift it's an absolute joke. I think Louie said his athletes were the strongest even raw, but then some PLer, forgot his name, crazy strong dude, put out a challenge, just show up at a meet and prove it. This wasn't long ago.
As far as Ben, only read this last page, but Ben squatting anywhere close to 600 is a joke.
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I imagine his attitude is that if you're not on drugs you're not dedicated, you're not doing everything you can to be your best. That's the impression I have from rading his stuff.
He also seems to have the same attitude about gear vs. raw, if you're not in gear you're not
"going all out." Really seems to diss the raw lifters. Gear is a joke, almost all powerlifters agree
actually IME, even the ones who compete in gear. When you bench more than you deadlift it's an absolute joke. I think Louie said his athletes were the strongest even raw, but then some PLer, forgot his name, crazy strong dude, put out a challenge, just show up at a meet and prove it. This wasn't long ago.
As far as Ben, only read this last page, but Ben squatting anywhere close to 600 is a joke.
Yeah, I think that's his attitude, you're right. To not use drugs and gear means the lifter isn't dedicated and hardcore.
And the deal with lifters outbenching their deadlift numbers IS madness. I mean, what else need be said, really?
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I believe Louie said the drug free comment, I've heard him say similar over the years from him and the long term guys.
With Westside, the general thrust is if you're not falling inline with Louie on the main things, then you're screwing up.
If you're not looking for any advantage to put weight on the bar, you're screwing up.
The guys issuing the most challenges to Westside seem to be from Chad Wesley Smith's side, but also Sean Katterle, and Chris Pappillion.
To be fair, this kid coming out of Westside is in serious contention for a record spot -
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I believe Louie said the drug free comment, I've heard him say similar over the years from him and the long term guys.
With Westside, the general thrust is if you're not falling inline with Louie on the main things, then you're screwing up.
If you're not looking for any advantage to put weight on the bar, you're screwing up.
The guys issuing the most challenges to Westside seem to be from Chad Wesley Smith's side, but also Sean Katterle, and Chris Pappillion.
To be fair, this kid coming out of Westside is in serious contention for a record spot -
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Chad is all of 24 years old and needs to learn his place. Nice enough person but he's falling along the lines of the dreaded internet guru's. Louie has been doing this since the 60's.
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He said he doesn't care about his guys totalling Elite. Just breaking records, any way they can.
P.S. I'd rather see a dude hit Elite drug-free and raw than set yet another "record" with questionable depth on the squat (and a mile-wide stance, made only possible with a monolift), a pauseless bench and more gear than you'd find on a bomb-defuser.
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Well that was 495 for 6- so maybe 600 for 2 .
Thats 10 years later... He was at his peak in the late 80s
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Just so everyone has an idea the Elite total Louie was thinking of was probably the old USPF standards -
http://uspf.com/lifter%20classification.pdf .
Those are the numbers most older US lifters use as the standard. The USAPL / IPF standard are similar, usually within 10 pounds or so -
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/lifterscorner/ipfclass.shtml .
Thought I'd mention it since there are so many federations and charts now.
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Ben Johnson in his prime on steroids I believe could hit 600 for a few reps. At least 600.
Here's Dwayne Chambers jump squating with 405lbs.
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I have two masters ratings @220 & 275. I have one Elite rating @242. No one and I mean no one has ever put together an Elite rating drug free.
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I have two masters ratings @220 & 275. I have one Elite rating @242. No one and I mean no one has ever put together an Elite rating drug free.
This
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Ben Johnson in his prime on steroids I believe could hit 600 for a few reps. At least 600.
Here's Dwayne Chambers jump squating with 405lbs.
Chambers squatted over 500lbs http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-1158422/Dwain-Chambers-Masking-agent-visible-tester-knocked.html
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Ben Johnson in his prime on steroids I believe could hit 600 for a few reps. At least 600.
Here's Dwayne Chambers jump squating with 405lbs.
LOL In that vid he does 2 squats with 405 not to parallel with some silly little 'jump' at the top lol ...so the silly 'jump' thing at the top means he could handle a couple more hundred lb and actually go to parellel ???
Not only that but Chambers had about 30-40 lbs on Johnson too.
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LOL In that vid he does 2 squats with 405 not to parallel with some silly little 'jump' at the top lol ...so the silly 'jump' thing at the top means he could handle a couple more hundred lb and actually go to parellel ???
Not only that but Chambers had about 30-40 lbs on Johnson too.
This.
AGAIN, Johnson would have been buried under even 500 to an approximate parallel. I used to see him lift in person at his best and he was nowhere CLOSE.
The people who suggest he could have obviously have never had 600 on their backs deep in the hole. The man was muscular but small, essentially. There is a universe of difference between doing some half-rep crud reps with 400 and burying 600.
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i have just witnessed some powerlifter doing 6and half plates each side squat, all the way down.
fucking hell, the bar was all bent.
and yes, it loked npothing like the "squats" from johnson and the chmabers clown.
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i have just witnessed some powerlifter doing 6and half plates each side squat, all the way down.
fucking hell, the bar was all bent.
and yes, it loked npothing like the "squats" from johnson and the chmabers clown.
Again, don't compare how a powerlifter squats or benches to how an athlete would squat or bench.
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An elite Bulgarian weightlifter, as in one who is hand picked from a young age and groomed at a young age... is front squatting 450-500 pounds by the time he is 14-15 years old. If he doesn't he doesn't make the cut
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Is Coach suggesting powerlifters arent athletes?
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This small guy squats 600+ like its nothing
this was actually proven fake by some debunkers last year
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Todays sprinters are faster than Ben and never use peds.....it's a miracle! ;)
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What a joke. The fact some believe this nonsense is further proof a majority of members haven't a clue about strength.
I lifted at a gym where Ben worked out, perhaps 20-odd years ago. He was muscular but slight (still in his best shape) and wasn't capable of squatting even 405 for several reps, unaided and to legal depth.
Six hundred for six?! Do some of you fools have ANY idea how strong this is?!! Johnson was a tremendous athlete but to suggest you believe such total and outrageous bullshit is unimagineable.
P.S. In that video, he's bouncing off a bench set above parallel with 495 (at the Variety Village community centre in Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada). He's got someone pulling on him, as well. And some wank in this thread says he is good for perhaps two at 600 because he does six or whatever reps with five plates in this style?!!!
I'm done with this shit, on this here board. If it's strength-related, it's guaranteed to be full of members who just have no idea.
on getbig everybody with a sack can bench 315 for reps naturally
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Is Coach suggesting powerlifters arent athletes?
I'm suggesting they're not track athletes ::)
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Ben Johnson showed up at my high school track to work out one time. He ended up racing a couple of my faster football teammates. Smoked them. I was a defensive lineman so I sat that one out.
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:D