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If you dated a chick and she said maybe she'll be faithful to you, would you marry her?
If your bank said that maybe your money will be safe, would you invest?
Would you try a bungee jump if they said maybe you'll survive?
Then why do religious people talk in fact and believe 100% that maybe there's a heaven, maybe there's a god?
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desperation and fear above all
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Because people are fucking dumb and would likely go ahead with those examples you gave also.
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If you dated a chick and she said maybe she'll be faithful to you, would you marry her?
If your bank said that maybe your money will be safe, would you invest?
Would you try a bungee jump if they said maybe you'll survive?
Then why do religious people talk in fact and believe 100% that maybe there's a heaven, maybe there's a god?
I now believe 100% today because of experiences I've had in my life.....that wasn't always the case. I've repeatedly experienced the presence of God in my life.
It's hard to put those experiences into words for others that have not.
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I now believe 100% today because of experiences I've had in my life.....that wasn't always the case. I've repeatedly experienced the presence of God in my life.
It's hard to put those experiences into words for others that have not.
Exactly...a religious person doesn't believe that "maybe" there's a God, they believe w 100% conviction even though there's no conclusive evidence.
They don't need evidence, because they have FAITH
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Exactly...a religious person doesn't believe that "maybe" there's a God, they believe w 100% conviction even though there's no conclusive evidence.
They don't need evidence, because they have FAITH
Actually there's a lot of evidence. There's even testable, repeatable proof. Faith is absolutely a part of belief, but it's not generically blind like so many label it....there's full assurance in faith. Faith isn't ignorantly unsupported, it grows and matures and solidifies.
So many demand proof for an infinite, transcendant God via finite, scientific methods. The demands are illogical from the start.....you can't force the creator into a box created by his creation. To understand God means submitting to his terms and forgoing your own.....many people refuse to do that.....I can't force anyone to change. They have to honestly want to change.....only then they can be encouraged and assisted.
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If you dated a chick and she said maybe she'll be faithful to you, would you marry her?
If your bank said that maybe your money will be safe, would you invest?
Would you try a bungee jump if they said maybe you'll survive?
Then why do religious people talk in fact and believe 100% that maybe there's a heaven, maybe there's a god?
These all present the possibility of a practical, measurable shitstorm of misadventure. Leaving aside the fringe nutjobs, the worst you can really say if the [modern] religious are wrong is that their comfort was unjustified. Maybe. Comfort is enviable whatever its basis.
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I now believe 100% today because of experiences I've had in my life.....that wasn't always the case. I've repeatedly experienced the presence of God in my life.
It's hard to put those experiences into words for others that have not.
Can you describe what you mean by experiencing God?
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Can you describe what you mean by experiencing God?
Absolutely, I'll do my best so bear with me LOL!
The times I feel the presence of God occurs most often in moments of private prayer and worship. Christians will sometimes refer to the "washing over of the Holy Spirit" LOL....I know that sounds strange. The name of the Lord is powerful and when I call upon in it prayer or worship (at home, in my truck, even at work) I sometimes feel the Spirit of God envelop me or "wash over me". I feel warmth all over, tingling on my skin, sometimes I feel the presence so strong it's as if I'm moving through denser air. I feel love. I feel peace. I feel Jesus Christ. Some folks have experienced sweet smells out of nowhere (I have not experienced that before). I have felt fear flee almost instantly when I call on the name of the Lord and it is replaced by peace and warmth. No drugs, no alcohol, no meds, no other stimuli. Also it does not occur from inside me or radiate from within me. It isn't an inside out experience, this occurs from the outside in. Moments of private prayer and worship are those times where I connect with Lord.....I've literally felt the sensation as though I'm being embraced in moments of prayer. I've even felt his presence while studying my bible or reading other theological materials. I've felt his presence envelop me at church and when in discussions with family and friends. I've even felt his presence while I post about him on Getbig. It doesn't happen everyday, but I enjoy those precious moments when it does.
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Absolutely, I'll do my best so bear with me LOL!
The times I feel the presence of God occurs most often in moments of private prayer and worship. Christians will sometimes refer to the "washing over of the Holy Spirit" LOL....I know that sounds strange. The name of the Lord is powerful and when I call upon in it prayer or worship (at home, in my truck, even at work) I sometimes feel the Spirit of God envelop me or "wash over me". I feel warmth all over, tingling on my skin, sometimes I feel the presence so strong it's as if I'm moving through denser air. I feel love. I feel peace. I feel Jesus Christ. Some folks have experienced sweet smells out of nowhere (I have not experienced that before). I have felt fear flee almost instantly when I call on the name of the Lord and it is replaced by peace and warmth. No drugs, no alcohol, no meds, no other stimuli. Also it does not occur from inside me or radiate from within me. It isn't an inside out experience, this occurs from the outside in. Moments of private prayer and worship are those times where I connect with Lord.....I've literally felt the sensation as though I'm being embraced in moments of prayer. I've even felt his presence while studying my bible or reading other theological materials. I've felt his presence envelop me at church and when in discussions with family and friends. I've even felt his presence while I post about him on Getbig. It doesn't happen everyday, but I enjoy those precious moments when it does.
Take a shot of heroin and you feel the same sensation. I'm not joking.
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Absolutely, I'll do my best so bear with me LOL!
The times I feel the presence of God occurs most often in moments of private prayer and worship. Christians will sometimes refer to the "washing over of the Holy Spirit" LOL....I know that sounds strange. The name of the Lord is powerful and when I call upon in it prayer or worship (at home, in my truck, even at work) I sometimes feel the Spirit of God envelop me or "wash over me". I feel warmth all over, tingling on my skin, sometimes I feel the presence so strong it's as if I'm moving through denser air. I feel love. I feel peace. I feel Jesus Christ. Some folks have experienced sweet smells out of nowhere (I have not experienced that before). I have felt fear flee almost instantly when I call on the name of the Lord and it is replaced by peace and warmth. No drugs, no alcohol, no meds, no other stimuli. Also it does not occur from inside me or radiate from within me. It isn't an inside out experience, this occurs from the outside in. Moments of private prayer and worship are those times where I connect with Lord.....I've literally felt the sensation as though I'm being embraced in moments of prayer. I've even felt his presence while studying my bible or reading other theological materials. I've felt his presence envelop me at church and when in discussions with family and friends. I've even felt his presence while I post about him on Getbig. It doesn't happen everyday, but I enjoy those precious moments when it does.
Interesting. Has this been going on your whole life? Or was it a particular spiritual experience that started it all? Or a period of time perhaps..
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There's even testable, repeatable proof.
Cool, please supply the links to this info, really looking forward to reading it.
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Absolutely, I'll do my best so bear with me LOL!
The times I feel the presence of God occurs most often in moments of private prayer and worship. Christians will sometimes refer to the "washing over of the Holy Spirit" LOL....I know that sounds strange. The name of the Lord is powerful and when I call upon in it prayer or worship (at home, in my truck, even at work) I sometimes feel the Spirit of God envelop me or "wash over me". I feel warmth all over, tingling on my skin, sometimes I feel the presence so strong it's as if I'm moving through denser air. I feel love. I feel peace. I feel Jesus Christ. Some folks have experienced sweet smells out of nowhere (I have not experienced that before). I have felt fear flee almost instantly when I call on the name of the Lord and it is replaced by peace and warmth. No drugs, no alcohol, no meds, no other stimuli. Also it does not occur from inside me or radiate from within me. It isn't an inside out experience, this occurs from the outside in. Moments of private prayer and worship are those times where I connect with Lord.....I've literally felt the sensation as though I'm being embraced in moments of prayer. I've even felt his presence while studying my bible or reading other theological materials. I've felt his presence envelop me at church and when in discussions with family and friends. I've even felt his presence while I post about him on Getbig. It doesn't happen everyday, but I enjoy those precious moments when it does.
This happens with people who meditate. Where you feel Jesus, they feel something else. Do you feel stressed or think of bad issues when you cum? That euphoric feeling you get at that moment?
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If you dated a chick and she said maybe she'll be faithful to you, would you marry her?
If your bank said that maybe your money will be safe, would you invest?
Would you try a bungee jump if they said maybe you'll survive?
Then why do religious people talk in fact and believe 100% that maybe there's a heaven, maybe there's a god?
Ask yourself if you follow the principles of the bible like do unto others as you would have then do unto you, dont steal etc, dont you think it would make your life better, and you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by believing that there is a god, because if in the end we find out that their is a god and you die refusing to believe then you are fucked my friend.
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Cool, please supply the links to this info, really looking forward to reading it.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1)
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This happens with people who meditate. Where you feel Jesus, they feel something else. Do you feel stressed or think of bad issues when you cum? That euphoric feeling you get at that moment?
Yes others engaging in other religions or faiths that do not support Jesus Christ have experience feelings of euphoria or even the miraculous. We live in a world ruled by the enemy of Christ and it was Jesus Christ that warned us of the potential for others to engage in, experience and display the supernatural via demons.
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http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1)
yeap, thought as much.
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yeap, thought as much.
The procedure to test and repeat the Christian witness is contained within.
Remember, you can live out this life however you choose, but to know God within your life requires you to submit to his terms.
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I thought God is balance and equillibrium itself, thus neutral.
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Ask yourself if you follow the principles of the bible like do unto others as you would have then do unto you, dont steal etc, dont you think it would make your life better, and you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by believing that there is a god, because if in the end we find out that their is a god and you die refusing to believe then you are fucked my friend.
So spend your whole life believing in something that may or may not exist. Sounds like a foolish idea.
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I thought God is balance and equillibrium itself, thus neutral.
Neutrality would imply that God has no position one way or another. Neutrality is often spoken of in terms of warfare. Within the context of spiritual warfare that would mean God has no position, but that isn't the case. A spiritual war exists because there are those that oppose God and all that he is. God is holy and just. His divine justice speaks to his divine law. God is the law. If no consequences exist for breaking the law then the law is meaningless, but God's law is purposeful, firm and eternal. Since God is the law and carries out the consequences of that law he is not neutral.
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God is all encompassing so it allows all possibilities to manifest. No need to "judge".
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So spend your whole life believing in something that may or may not exist. Sounds like a foolish idea.
If a person honestly and sincerely wants to know God and approaches that pursuit with genuine humility inaccordance with God's terms outlined in biblical scripture he will reveal himself to that person and that person will find salvation and the revelation of God in their life.
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God is all encompassing so it allows all possibilities to manifest. No need to "judge".
God’s forgiveness and judgement go hand-in-hand. God’s forgiveness is the divine pardoning of the believer’s sins and aligns the believer with Jesus Christ. As people we can forgive one another, but that forgiveness is more about us and not the person forgiven; in essence, we have forgiven someone else and let go of the circumstance that has caused us trouble or pain. The one we forgave can continue on and act in the same manner that caused us pain. For God forgiveness is reversed….it’s again about us….it’s always about us. The divine judgement of God is the other side of the coin meant for those that have not chosen him.
The judgement of God is meant for our edification, not his….he already knows, we do not (at least those that don’t belief). It’s the ultimate courtroom in which those that have chosen not to align themselves with God will fully understand the ramifications of their choice before being eternally separated from him (all this honored per the request of the nonbeliever). God did not create us to reject him, he created us to choose him like he chose us.
The purpose of God’s law is not punishment, the purpose of God’s law is freedom from sin. Sin is what shackles us, not the law. The law of God reveals the sin in our lives and provides a means to free us from our shackles. Christ then came as the perfect fulfillment of the law…the perfect gift of love that forever provides the pathway to freedom. The sin we indulge in is the illusion of freedom, but true freedom comes from aligning ourselves with God. No longer must we shed the blood of the perfect specimens of our herds, provide grain offerings, etc..……the Son of God established a new convenant so that all can come to him and free themselves from their shackles.
Again God doesn’t need us to appease himself, but if we want to be aligned with him we must accept his law. Again the framework of the scenario you present focuses on the “what God needs”, but the true focus is what we need….that’s always tends to be missed. The law is meant for us, but God willingly fulfilled his law for us when he didn’t have to and demonstrated for us what it means to sacrifice and love others when they truly don’t deserve it.
Jesus Christ’s act on Calvary’s cross was not required, it didn’t have to happen. It was an act of love given to us who did not deserve it so that we may be set free from the bonds of sin. Although first we must acknowledge that we are sinners and thereinlies the rub LOL!!
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I hope you realise that the Bible is symbolic and not meant to be taken literally as a story ..
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I hope you realise that the Bible is symbolic and not meant to be taken literally as a story ..
The bible contains some allegory sure, but it is not all allegory or primarily allegorical.
The bible points to one primary topic or point of focus....Jesus Christ.
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The people contains some allegory sure, but it is not all allegory or primarily allegorical.
The bible points to one primary topic or point of focus....Jesus Christ.
The Bible in any version is a massive piece of work. But you'd be hard pressed to understand it much less decypher it at sunday church. I am by no means knocking on church or priests. To each his own. However, if you really want to understand it, you need to look much deeper than religious propaganda. There is so much knowledge in there.
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The Bible in any version is a massive piece of work. But you'd be hard pressed to understand it much less decypher it at sunday church. I am by no means knocking on church or priests. To each his own. However, if you really want to understand it, you need to look much deeper than religious propaganda. There is so much knowledge in there.
Agreed!
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I hope you realise that the Bible is symbolic and not meant to be taken literally as a story ..
Wrong a lot of the stories in the bible actually happened there are proof of these events even science will agree.
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Wrong a lot of the stories in the bible actually happened there are proof of these events even science will agree.
ok "the trainer"
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Wrong a lot of the stories in the bible actually happened there are proof of these events even science will agree.
I especially like the jonah and the whale story. I dont think Science agrees with it but I did enjoy the stories as a child.
Anyways if you believe as in truly believe in any of the worlds religions, then you have a serious mental illness and I feel sorry for you.
You dont need religion to tell you not to do bad shit. The worst people I have met in my life have all been religious.. Christians, muslims etc..
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This is not just Christianity though. All religions. They go based on faith and hope which is the same as maybe
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Religion had a purpose and yes, it was not all good.
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This is not just Christianity though. All religions. They go based on faith and hope which is the same as maybe
Unfortunately folks misinterpret faith as generically blind with no supporting evidence or as some form of agnosticism.
I often tell folks that faith can begin with a leap, but it transitions into full assurance in the heart as a relationship with Christ develops and matures.
Some folks, from day one of their belief in Christ, are "BOOM 100% ALL IN" with no doubts. These folks have experienced something divine that most have not. Other believers simply desired to know God and pursued that desire with honesty and humility and found that what is outlined in scripture is as true today as it was when first put on papyrus. Despite not having that huge, undeniable "God moment" they've experienced the revelation of Christ in their lives.
Me, I had a big "God moment" in my life so I have no doubts or reservations anymore. Still, genuine followers of Christ are not masquerading as mere agnostics that aren't quite sure that "maybe it is, maybe it isn't". Our faith doesn't question the reality of God.....we know his reality is true and have experienced his presence. We have faith in that what has been outlined in scripture for the future will come to pass. We accept this on faith not because we fear death or are weak-minded. We belief because of what has been fulfilled in scripture and demonstrated and tested and repeated in us and other believers over and over again.
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Religion had a purpose and yes, it was not all good.
Amen to that!!
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I now believe 100% today because of experiences I've had in my life.....that wasn't always the case. I've repeatedly experienced the presence of God in my life.
It's hard to put those experiences into words for others that have not.
maybe it's a brain tumor that creates an imbalance of pressure causing your body to produce hormones that mimic a "religious' experience?
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The bible contains some allegory sure, but it is not all allegory or primarily allegorical.
The bible points to one primary topic or point of focus....Jesus Christ.
I disagree. The Old Testament contains the origins and the creation of human kind or our history. The New Testament is all programming or future plans to be put in play if you will.
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We should do what Man Of Steel did, read what he red, experience what he did and only then we can pass judgement. All else is mere speculation.
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I disagree. The Old Testament contains the origins and the creation of human kind or our history. The New Testament is all programming or future plans to be put in play if you will.
The OT does describe our origins (our genesis). The origins tracked are those of Israel from Abraham to Isaac to Jacob/Israel and the original covenant established between God and his people whom he delieverd from Egyptian slavery. Within the OT we repeatedly see the failure of the Israelites and how God works within their failures to repeatedly deliver them again and again. We begin to understand in their failures that man is a slave to his sin and that freedom from that sin can only occur through God himself in the person of Jesus Christ. We see prophetic OT book after prophetic OT book detailing the Messiah yet to come, who would fulfill God's law and establish a new covenant with Jew and Gentile alike. We find the birth of Messiah in the incarnate Son of God in Jesus Christ and the development of his ministry, demise at the hands of the Sanhedrin and Roman gov't and his resurrection. We see the establishment of the disciples missionary work and the annointing of Paul and his amazing missionary work among the Gentiles. We experience the prophetic writings of John on Patmos describing (as best he was able to) the second coming of Christ. We learn that Christ is fulfillment of prophetic OT scripture, that all things created in Genesis were created through him and that he is God yesterday, today and forever.
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We should do what Man Of Steel did, read what he red, experience what he did and only then we can pass judgement. All else is mere speculation.
You won't be able to replicate my experience, but you can repeat and "test" what is presented in scripture. My testimony is merely a personal demonstration of the validity of scripture and who Christ is and what he said he would do....my testimony has now become part of the body of evidence. To fully understand you must become part of the evidence yourself. Certainly some come to Christ via the multiple independent attestation and eyewitness testimony of those in scripture, the fulfillment of prophecy, the overwhelming manuscript evidence, architectural evidence and and the testimony of millions of believers worldwide. Still, the proof is in the pudding! God won't hop in a box and submit to your demands for proof, but he will reveal himself to you if you desire to know him and come to him through his Son Jesus Christ. Again, he allows you to live out your days on earth however you please, but within that time if you desire to submit to his will for your life and claim Christ as savior it will be according to his terms and no other.
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We should do what Man Of Steel did, read what he red, experience what he did and only then we can pass judgement. All else is mere speculation.
People will believe what they want. You could be in a hurricane and have every home around you blown to shit but yours and you can say God saved you. But then why didn't God save the others? The generic bullshit having no answer response is "God has a plan". You have to love that blanket statement.
Just go to a children's hospital and visit the burn center or cancer ward, then walk away thinking if there was a God, what kind of asshole is he to allow this happen.
Then go to a prison and see how strong and healthy these scum of the earth are and wonder why aren't they the ones in the burn and cancer ward. Gods plan? A plan to have a three year old suffer their short lives to die? Come one man.
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People will believe what they want. You could be in a hurricane and have every home around you blown to shit but yours and you can say God saved you. But then why didn't God save the others? The generic bullshit having no answer response is "God has a plan". You have to love that blanket statement.
Just go to a children's hospital and visit the burn center or cancer ward, then walk away thinking if there was a God, what kind of asshole is he to allow this happen.
Then go to a prison and see how strong and healthy these scum of the earth are and wonder why aren't they the ones in the burn and cancer ward. Gods plan? A plan to have a three year old suffer their short lives to die? Come one man.
The classic problem of evil.
Of course the evil of men is easy to dismiss if we simply chalk it up to the choices they were free to make on their own....God had nothing to do with it.
Although what of natural disasters....men didn't choose that. Storm in the Phillipines recently claimed 2000 lives.....why would God allow that? The sin in our lives effects more than our bodies and souls, it impacts this world we live in. God uses the whole of his creation to reveal the need for his Son Jesus Christ. This world will remain in a perpetual state of decay until Christ's return. God works within the confines of our lives and choices we make to help us draw closer to him and his will for our lives. We can either draw close to him and submit or continue to rebel and perpetuate the decay.
We see the effects of natural disasters and broadcast them worldwide, but we we rarely see or even comprehend the far reaching goodness that later results. For every life that was taken in a moment of disaster how many were saved, how many acts of kindness were undertaken, how many lives were changes and motivated for good? How many acts of repentance took place? How many souls were saved? God stepped in before and punished other civilizations for their sinful ways using the very creation that we set into a state of decay. Perhaps the disasters we encounter that grab our attention are meant for exactly that.....to get our freakin attention!!
Disease is also a part of the ravages of sin. We weren't created with disease, we were deemed good. We brought disease into our lives via our sin.
My wife's coworker lost her baby granddaughter tragically in an accident caused by her son (the child's uncle). The child's mother was devastated as was her brother who was responsible for the accident, but in a moment of sheer grace and love the mother completely forgave her brother. While on their knees within this moment my wife's coworker snapped a picture of the two of them on their knees in an embrace in the child's room. At the child's funeral the child's estranged biker father came with his entire biker gang with intents of killing his brother in law because of the death of his daughter. At the funeral service the mother shared Christ with the crowd and the forgiveness and love she had for her brother. They showed a slide show of the life of the young child that was taken and the precious image capture by their mother on their knees in the child's room. That day the entire biker gang dedicated their lives to Christ and forgave the brother.
Sometimes the evil we perceive in our lives, when put in the hands of God, can change lives in powerful positive ways we'd never expect.
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Some folks have experienced sweet smells out of nowhere
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Diabetes?
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Diabetes?
AHAHAHAAH!!!! Well played!
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The classic problem of evil.
Of course the evil of men is easy to dismiss if we simply chalk it up to the choices they were free to make on their own....God had nothing to do with it.
Although what of natural disasters....men didn't choose that. Storm in the Phillipines recently claimed 2000 lives.....why would God allow that? The sin in our lives effects more than our bodies and souls, it impacts this world we live in. God uses the whole of his creation to reveal the need for his Son Jesus Christ. This world will remain in a perpetual state of decay until Christ's return. God works within the confines of our lives and choices we make to help us draw closer to him and his will for our lives. We can either draw close to him and submit or continue to rebel and perpetuate the decay.
We see the effects of natural disasters and broadcast them worldwide, but we we rarely see or even comprehend the far reaching goodness that later results. For every life that was taken in a moment of disaster how many were saved, how many acts of kindness were undertaken, how many lives were changes and motivated for good? How many acts of repentance took place? How many souls were saved? God stepped in before and punished other civilizations for their sinful ways using the very creation that we set into a state of decay. Perhaps the disasters we encounter that grab our attention are meant for exactly that.....to get our freakin attention!!
Disease is also a part of the ravages of sin. We weren't created with disease, we were deemed good. We brought disease into our lives via our sin.
My wife's coworker lost her baby granddaughter tragically in an accident caused by her son (the child's uncle). The child's mother was devastated as was her brother who was responsible for the accident, but in a most of sheer grace and love the mother completely forgave her brother. While on their knees within this moment my wife's coworker snapped a picture of the two of them on their knees in an embrace in the child's room. At the child's funeral the chid's estranged biker father came with his entire biker gang with intents of killing his brother in law because of the death of his daughter. At the funeral service the mother shared Christ with the crowd and the forgiveness and love she had for her brother. They showed a slide show of the life of the young child that was taken and the precious image capture by their mother on their knees in the child's room. That day the entire biker gang dedicated their lives to Christ and forgave the brother.
Sometimes the evil in our lives, when put in the hands of God, can change lives in powerful ways we'd never expect.
So basically god has a huge broom and a rug. Anything good you immediately thank god, anything bad you sweep it under the rug and blame someone else. Now I know why the typical republican is Christian.
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For the utmost lunacy of it all don't look further than the pope. A week earlier he was just a bishop or cardinal. A bunch of his peers through numerous votes like the MLB MVP voting happens and a push of white smoke and they call him the pope. All of a sudden people flock to him and he has healing power all of sudden. Give me a break.
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Just playing, MOS. I respect you, and your faith. You are a good person, and a good poster. I actually made that joke from just reading the post. I did not realize you were the author.
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Just playing, MOS. I respect you, and your faith. You are a good person, and a good poster. I actually made that joke from just reading the post. I did not realize you were the author.
No worries, I LOL'd!! ;D
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So basically god has a huge broom and a rug. Anything good you immediately thank god, anything bad you sweep it under the rug and blame someone else. Now I know why the typical republican is Christian.
God has a huge broom and a rug for sin. The broom is the cross and the rug is Christ's shed blood.
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Absolutely, I'll do my best so bear with me LOL!
The times I feel the presence of God occurs most often in moments of private prayer and worship. Christians will sometimes refer to the "washing over of the Holy Spirit" LOL....I know that sounds strange. The name of the Lord is powerful and when I call upon in it prayer or worship (at home, in my truck, even at work) I sometimes feel the Spirit of God envelop me or "wash over me". I feel warmth all over, tingling on my skin, sometimes I feel the presence so strong it's as if I'm moving through denser air. I feel love. I feel peace. I feel Jesus Christ. Some folks have experienced sweet smells out of nowhere (I have not experienced that before). I have felt fear flee almost instantly when I call on the name of the Lord and it is replaced by peace and warmth. No drugs, no alcohol, no meds, no other stimuli. Also it does not occur from inside me or radiate from within me. It isn't an inside out experience, this occurs from the outside in. Moments of private prayer and worship are those times where I connect with Lord.....I've literally felt the sensation as though I'm being embraced in moments of prayer. I've even felt his presence while studying my bible or reading other theological materials. I've felt his presence envelop me at church and when in discussions with family and friends. I've even felt his presence while I post about him on Getbig. It doesn't happen everyday, but I enjoy those precious moments when it does.
And "NO" sex before marriage, right ;D
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I hope you realise that the Bible is symbolic and not meant to be taken literally as a story ..
And the fact that most didn't like the way the first bible was written because "God" ruled with an iron fist so they had to re-write and soften the stories in a new testament...I can only imagine what the next testament will be as new churches pop up everywhere. I'm guessing in the next one, there will be a large section of homosexual activity being just fine and dandy.
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And the fact that most didn't like the way the first bible was written because "God" ruled with an iron fist so they had to re-write the stories in a new testament...I can only imagine what the next testament will be as new churches pop up everywhere. I'm guessing in the next one, there will be a large section of homosexual activity being just fine and dandy.
First I would look up the word testament.
Then I'd read this:
The OT does describe our origins (our genesis). The origins tracked are those of Israel from Abraham to Isaac to Jacob/Israel and the original covenant established between God and his people whom he delieverd from Egyptian slavery. Within the OT we repeatedly see the failure of the Israelites and how God works within their failures to repeatedly deliver them again and again. We begin to understand in their failures that man is a slave to his sin and that freedom from that sin can only occur through God himself in the person of Jesus Christ. We see prophetic OT book after prophetic OT book detailing the Messiah yet to come, who would fulfill God's law and establish a new covenant with Jew and Gentile alike. We find the birth of Messiah in the incarnate Son of God in Jesus Christ and the development of his ministry, demise at the hands of the Sanhedrin and Roman gov't and his resurrection. We see the establishment of the disciples missionary work and the annointing of Paul and his amazing missionary work among the Gentiles. We experience the prophetic writings of John on Patmos describing (as best he was able to) the second coming of Christ. We learn that Christ is fulfillment of prophetic OT scripture, that all things created in Genesis were created through him and that he is God yesterday, today and forever.
Then I'd just read the bible....it's a great read.
Then I'd look into the differences between the OT covenant and the NT covenant.
After that you might wanna check out Paul Copan's "Is God a Moral Monster".
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Absolutely, I'll do my best so bear with me LOL!
The times I feel the presence of God occurs most often in moments of private prayer and worship. Christians will sometimes refer to the "washing over of the Holy Spirit" LOL....I know that sounds strange. The name of the Lord is powerful and when I call upon in it prayer or worship (at home, in my truck, even at work) I sometimes feel the Spirit of God envelop me or "wash over me". I feel warmth all over, tingling on my skin, sometimes I feel the presence so strong it's as if I'm moving through denser air. I feel love. I feel peace. I feel Jesus Christ. Some folks have experienced sweet smells out of nowhere (I have not experienced that before). I have felt fear flee almost instantly when I call on the name of the Lord and it is replaced by peace and warmth. No drugs, no alcohol, no meds, no other stimuli. Also it does not occur from inside me or radiate from within me. It isn't an inside out experience, this occurs from the outside in. Moments of private prayer and worship are those times where I connect with Lord.....I've literally felt the sensation as though I'm being embraced in moments of prayer. I've even felt his presence while studying my bible or reading other theological materials. I've felt his presence envelop me at church and when in discussions with family and friends. I've even felt his presence while I post about him on Getbig. It doesn't happen everyday, but I enjoy those precious moments when it does.
I couldnt describe it any better myself and this exactly the same thing i am experimenting. I d also say that when i experience intense suffering I feel like the Christ.
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I couldnt describe it any better myself and this exactly the same thing i am experimenting. I d also say that when i experience intense suffering I feel like the Christ.
It's funny, but as much as I enjoy the good moments of life it's always the struggle and suffering that produces the best fruits. I'm never more connected to my Lord and Savior than in the midst of real trials (real enough for my life anyways).
Our faith will be subject to "deserts" in which the presence of God is just not there as much or at all. Much like the Israelites in the wilderness/desert for 40 years or Christ in the wilderness/desert for 40 days....it's sometimes just about the trial itself and how we'll respond to God in that time.
Why are we tested? Everything is about us and what we lack or need to improve and God works within the confines of our lives and desires for us to choose to draw closer to him.
It's easy to be faithful when everything is truckin along just fine. It's something altogether different to rejoice and grow your faith within adversity. It's always in the darkness when his light is contrasted the greatest.
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It's funny, but as much as I enjoy the good moments of life it's always the struggle and suffering that produces the best fruits. I'm never more connected to my Lord and Savior than in the midst of real trials (real enough for my life anyways).
id say overcoming the struggle makes you feel good, stagnating in it or it worsening aint making anyone feeling good. You feel good when you know you dodged a bullet or when you win a physical or psychological fight; you know you re going to stay, be part of the future, while the competitor wont or will see his odds of being part of it diminished if he doesnt improve himself the way you did by following the scripture.
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I now believe 100% today because of experiences I've had in my life.....that wasn't always the case. I've repeatedly experienced the presence of God in my life.
It's hard to put those experiences into words for others that have not.
Same here. No religious person 'maybe' believes. You've been misinformed.
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Absolutely, I'll do my best so bear with me LOL!
The times I feel the presence of God occurs most often in moments of private prayer and worship. Christians will sometimes refer to the "washing over of the Holy Spirit" LOL....I know that sounds strange. The name of the Lord is powerful and when I call upon in it prayer or worship (at home, in my truck, even at work) I sometimes feel the Spirit of God envelop me or "wash over me". I feel warmth all over, tingling on my skin, sometimes I feel the presence so strong it's as if I'm moving through denser air. I feel love. I feel peace. I feel Jesus Christ. Some folks have experienced sweet smells out of nowhere (I have not experienced that before). I have felt fear flee almost instantly when I call on the name of the Lord and it is replaced by peace and warmth. No drugs, no alcohol, no meds, no other stimuli. Also it does not occur from inside me or radiate from within me. It isn't an inside out experience, this occurs from the outside in. Moments of private prayer and worship are those times where I connect with Lord.....I've literally felt the sensation as though I'm being embraced in moments of prayer. I've even felt his presence while studying my bible or reading other theological materials. I've felt his presence envelop me at church and when in discussions with family and friends. I've even felt his presence while I post about him on Getbig. It doesn't happen everyday, but I enjoy those precious moments when it does.
How do you know?
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Same here. No religious person 'maybe' believes. You've been misinformed.
You and me, we sometimes go at it about our faith LOL!! Still, I lift you up in prayer (and others on this board) often. I mean that sincerely too - not a shred of disrespect intended.
I believe you to be a good man, an honest man and I respect your devotion to Islam......I just want you to be a Christian LOL!!!! ;D
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well it comes from the book you read or verses you heard, so it comes from the outside. Even if it was written by men, but those men were told what to write from the outside, God, but God being in every single of us, it's also from the inside...Which means he is outside and inside, he is all...being the first and the last, everything being his creation... Maybe we re just an illusion, a brain cell in someone's head, and he wants the (good) cells to replicate and live as long as possible so he can live longer. Funny the similarities between brain cells see thru a microscope and the universe seen from a telescope.
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Same here. No religious person 'maybe' believes. You've been misinformed.
You're not denying Man of Steel is having the experience, and he's not denying you're having the experience...
how do you guys explain this?
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Billy Graham's final message at 95 years of age!! Sweet, sweet man of God.
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How do you know?
In those moments of prayer and worship the tangible spirit of God will manifest before me and around me and then my mind and body will react to his presence....best, simplest way I can explain it.
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In those moments of prayer and worship the tangible spirit of God will manifest before me and around me and then my mind and body will react to his presence....best, simplest way I can explain it.
You sense this in the objects or the space around you?
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You're not denying Man of Steel is having the experience, and he's not denying you're having the experience...
how do you guys explain this?
I mean no disrespect to ahmed or anyone else on this board, but I've experienced the risen Son of God and no longer have doubts about his reality and who he is.
Scripture says God knows of no other Gods and that God is one.
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I mean no disrespect to ahmed or anyone else on this board, but I've experienced the risen Son of God and no longer have doubts about his reality and who he is.
Scripture says God knows of no other Gods and that God is one.
Then you would deny Ahmed is experiencing it, as he says?
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Then you would deny Ahmed is experiencing it, as he says?
ahmed hasn't made similar claims as I have at least that I've seen. Islam and Christianity, although they share some similarities, are quite different.
I won't disparage him on these boards any longer....I'm guilty enough of that in recent past and regret things I've said.
Still, I know ahmed will defend his beliefs as I will mine.
There are "competing faiths" in this world that claim the miraculous and claim the divine, but Christ warned of demonic influence and demonic forces that will misguide others and produce the supernatural. Those works are not of Christ and believers must guard against that influence and spread the gospel. Scripture also indicates a great power that will rise that will persuade others away from Christ completely.
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ahmed hasn't made similar claims as I have at least that I've seen. Islam and Christianity, although they share some similarities, are quite different.
I won't disparage him on these boards any longer....I'm guilty enough of that in recent past and regret things I've said.
Still, I know ahmed will defend his beliefs as I will mine.
There are "competing faiths" in this world that claim the miraculous and claim the divine, but Christ warned of demonic influence and demonic forces that will misguide others and produce the supernatural. Those works are not of Christ and believers must guard against that influence and spread the gospel. Scripture also indicates a great power that will rise that will persuade others away from Christ completely.
If Ahmed continues to insist that he is experiencing the presence of God, then you would say he is being guided by DEMONIC FORCES???
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Is this really what you are saying Man of Steel??
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How do explain the way he so easily afforded you the same claimed experience that you are denying him??
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If Ahmed continues to insist that he is experiencing the presence of God, then you would say he is being guided by DEMONIC FORCES???
I would of Hindus and other faiths, but not Islam. Reason being, there is no Trinity of God in Islam. There is no Holy Spirit that indwells believers in Islam. There is no Son of God in Jesus Christ in Islam. There is no salvation through Christ in Islam.
Now claims of the miraculous in Islam, yes I would relate it as such, but the fact of the matter is I don't see the claims being made. I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm saying I haven't seen any.
In Islam there is only Allah and he is one and has no partners. Allah is fully transcendant above his creation and does not lower himself and interact with his followers in that manner.
This is a very generic explanation by the way and again I mean no disrespect to board Muslims.....simply explaining the differences.
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I would of Hindus and other faiths, but not Islam. Reason being, there is no Trinity of God in Islam. There is no Holy Spirit that indwells believers in Islam. There is no Son of God in Jesus Christ in Islam.
In Islam there is only Allah and he is one and has no partners. Allah is fully transcendant above his creation and does not lower himself and interact with his followers in that manner.
This is a very generic explanation by the way and again I mean no disrespect to board Muslims.....simply explaining the differences.
You would just deny he's having the experience then right?
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You would just deny he's having the experience then right?
Since this is purely hypothetical and not based on the actual theology I would say yes, but the reality is ahmed outright denies these experiences I have professed yet claims none for himself.
It's the miracle of the Quran itself that provides truth for the Muslim.
Your question is unfortunately flawed because it unknowingly force fits a concept into a faith system that doesn't allow for it from the start.
I'm no expert on Islam and have only read about half the Quran and a few books about Islam so I invite Muslims to correct me.
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You sense this in the objects or the space around you?
Sorry, this post slipped by me.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, the best description I can give is that the presence of the spirit of God is often so evident and tangible that the air around me feels almost denser or thicker. It's as if moving through water, but still not like that LOL.
It's hard to put into words.
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Since this is purely hypothetical and not based on the actual theology I would say yes, but the reality is ahmed outright denies these experiences I have professed yet claims none for himself.
It's the miracle of the Quran itself that provides truth for the Muslim.
Your question is unfortunately flawed because it unknowingly force fits a concept into a faith system that doesn't allow for it from the start.
I'm no expert on Islam and have only read about half the Quran and a few books about Islam so I invite Muslims to correct me.
Does this mean he can't be overwhelmed by those demonic forces you mentioned?
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You would just deny he's having the experience then right?
Here allow me.
Whatever Ahmed is denied, is due to his own denial. If you don't believe, don't worry about it. You asked and I have told you. Don't like the answer? Nothing I can do about that.
And for the record, I would rather be an Atheist than a Muslim. In general the former are more humane and less likely to be nut jobs bent upon a "holy war" but the latter I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them with Coleman's upper body. ;D
One of the finest men I have ever known was an Atheist. He outright despised Islam for its inhumanity toward man and even more so toward women and children. . It was he who taught me that all I had to do was compare Jesus and Mohammed to see the differences in the two faiths.
All that Christ did was good. Never harmed anyone and if the Bible is true, He healed the sick, raised the dead, fed the poor and forgave the sinner. Mohammed on the other hand was as so many men are. In it for the money. For property. For women. For himself.
I follow no man save the Christ. Mohammed was a murdering pedophile. Ahmed may not like the truth but unless you're a worthless Atheist without the testicular fortitude to honestly compare these two men (Jesus and Mohammed) you must surely see the difference in the two.
What Ahmed is experiencing I want no part of. As said elsewhere, I could care less if you accept the Christ. It's your life, not mine. Being a Christian is not a pre-requisite to friendship. If you believe that what Jesus said is true, it is necessary for acceptance into His Kingdom.
Want to be friends? Great! If you could care less about that aspect of online camaraderie, then that is fine too. Again, don't believe? I could are less. I'm not here to make you "wear shoes". Neither am I here to lie to you regarding my faith and I honestly could care less if I "offend" you. I am smart enough to know that I was created with a mind that is worthy of the Creator. I can think for myself and choose Christ. Apparently you have chosen differently. Your Atheism does me no harm and my faith in the Christ in no way harms you.
Hopefully this makes sense to you as I believe you to be a man of intelligence. If not, sorry.
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Sorry, this post slipped by me.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, the best description I can give is that the presence of the spirit of God is often so evident and tangible that the air around me feels almost denser or thicker. It's as if moving through water, but still not like that LOL.
It's hard to put into words.
But this sounds like it IS from the inside then.
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Does this mean he can't be overwhelmed by those demonic forces you mentioned?
No, not what I'm saying...didn't mean to suggest that.
Any of us can be subject to demonic oppression....even believers. I've experienced it myself within my home for extended periods via an overwhelming and illogical sense of fear. It grew the more I attempted to share the gospel with those on these boards and to others I know in the non internet world LOL.
Through the power of prayer it did end.
The enemy of Christ that rules this earth wants nothing more than every living soul to move away from Christ and life for and claim anything other than Jesus Christ.
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But this sounds like it IS from the inside then.
Let me put it another way since there isn't a universal experience or formula. If a blanket is wrapped around you does the blanket come from inside you or outside of you? If a another person embraces you does that person come from inside you or outside of you? Of course the blanket or person didn't come out of you LOL. That's all I'm saying, but it is hard to explain so I don't mind the questions.
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Let me put it another way since there isn't a universal experience or formula. If a blanket is wrapped around you does the blanket come from inside you or outside of you? If a another person embraces you does that person come from inside you or outside of you? Of course the blanket or person didn't come out of you LOL. That's all I'm saying, but it is hard to explain so I don't mind the questions.
In the case of your experience, are we referring to something invisible?
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Here allow me.
Whatever Ahmed is denied, is due to his own denial. If you don't believe, don't worry about it. You asked and I have told you. Don't like the answer? Nothing I can do about that.
And for the record, I would rather be an Atheist than a Muslim. In general the former are more humane and less likely to be nut jobs bent upon a "holy war" but the latter I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them with Coleman's upper body. ;D
One of the finest men I have ever known was an Atheist. He outright despised Islam for its inhumanity toward man and even more so toward women and children. . It was he who taught me that all I had to do was compare Jesus and Mohammed to see the differences in the two faiths.
All that Christ did was good. Never harmed anyone and if the Bible is true, He healed the sick, raised the dead, fed the poor and forgave the sinner. Mohammed on the other hand was as so many men are. In it for the money. For property. For women. For himself.
I follow no man save the Christ. Mohammed was a murdering pedophile. Ahmed may not like the truth but unless you're a worthless Atheist without the testicular fortitude to honestly compare these two men (Jesus and Mohammed) you must surely see the difference in the two.
What Ahmed is experiencing I want no part of. As said elsewhere, I could care less if you accept the Christ. It's your life, not mine. Being a Christian is not a pre-requisite to friendship. If you believe that what Jesus said is true, it is necessary for acceptance into His Kingdom.
Want to be friends? Great! If you could care less about that aspect of online camaraderie, then that is fine too. Again, don't believe? I could are less. I'm not here to make you "wear shoes". Neither am I here to lie to you regarding my faith and I honestly could care less if I "offend" you. I am smart enough to know that I was created with a mind that is worthy of the Creator. I can think for myself and choose Christ. Apparently you have chosen differently. Your Atheism does me no harm and my faith in the Christ in no way harms you.
Hopefully this makes sense to you as I believe you to be a man of intelligence. If not, sorry.
Thank you...appreciate it
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No, not what I'm saying...didn't mean to suggest that.
Any of us can be subject to demonic oppression....even believers. I've experienced it myself within my home for extended periods via an overwhelming and illogical sense of fear. It grew the more I attempted to share the gospel with those on these boards and to others I know in the non internet world LOL.
Through the power of prayer it did end.
The enemy of Christ that rules this earth wants nothing more than every living soul to move away from Christ and life for and claim anything other than Jesus Christ.
A few posts back...when Ahmed affirmed that he believes in God due to experiences in his life...maybe he could explain what he meant...
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I dont know if good and evil exist... maybe only the fittest survive, and tell /write a story about who s good and who is evil afterwards. The loser is always evil to the winner.
Fact is there are only people and animals -people being animals- who are adapted, or arent adapted. In other animal species inadapted individuals die. In the human specie we keep them alive because it gives a job, reason to live, salary, to other humans who arent as weak but who arent strong enough either to compete with the strongest above them. In other animal species there is no compassion for the physically weak as he is useless to the survival of others. In humans, even the physically weak can be useful to stronger individuals because of his thoughts , strategies of survival he can teach to younger individuals , or for his /her money which is a strategy , tool for survival. You can see compassion in some other monkey species for example; individuals mourn dying, ill loved ones who helped them survive, gave a meaning to their lives. They probably only do so because it decreases their own odds of survival; we only care about important people or relatives dying, not about people who arent beneficial to our survival. We humans do the same, we dont care about people we dont know. We ignore them. Which also is a strategy of survival. Ignore, avoid, potential enemies, while sublimating yourself creating stuff, working, to finally dominate them later.
Some people are engeenered to be stronger than others, and others smarter. But we re all fighting for our own peace and tranquility, which often comes at the price of submiting someone else, we re all fighting for ressources, for power, money, for domination. Sometimes people submit , sometimes they dominate, sometimes they cooperate when they have enough shared interests and fighting would lead to mutual destruction, and sometimes they flee. All lifeforms, everything that exist, animals and plants , microscopic cells or heavy objects in space are ruled by these very simple rules.
Now everyone thinks he deserves this or that, everyone thinks he s the best and deserve it, and everyone is born different, inequal, with less or more strenghts than others. And we re all trying to adapt to survive, picking one the aforementioned main strategies of survival depending of the random threat we re facing. Life is basically a succession of threats you have to adapt to until you cant anymore. We also all try to learn from others their best strategies of survival in order to integrate them in our own panel of strategies of survival to increase our odds of survival. You can learn from books -people wrote to make a living; they shared the strategies of survival they found in order to get paid for what they discovered, it's a way to sublimate yourself- or from listening to, observing others. We all calculate each others strenghts and weaknesses in order to know how to approach -dominate, get the most while giving the less in order to preserve our limited amount of energy- each others. Can ultimate peace be found? Only if you are constantly dominant; and only rich and powerful people are "always happy" as they can control others and not feel frustration having submited everyone else. Also when you earn something you spend the rest of your life to defend it.
I think happiness is linked to control, domination, submission -to people we know for certain wont hurt us- cooperation and failing, fleeing to find the place and the people who will all fit in the picture. A mix of it all, all the pros without the cons. Considering you cant dominate in all aspects of life, you need some things you master, you need to submit to someone, and you need to cooperate, and who never fled , failed? Hapiness is probably finding "it all" the quickest, and then do something positive about it all in return. There is a need to fit and produce for society even if you re confortable in your little warm place.
I m also convinced this little warm spot, your piece of heaven in hell, can only be built by heterosexual and willing to have kids couples. There are homosexual and heterosexual couples with or without kids but they are wrong. Their kids are going to be fucked up. The best scenario is a man and woman who are humble and live in a calm warm spot where they raise happy kids who will once adults reproduce this scheme. It's important tho that they must not have too much money and be self sufficient.
Big dumb people hate short smart people, short small people get smarter to survive and avoid the fists of the big bullies, or take steroids until they destroy themselves, women want to take over men and men want to take over women, kids want to take over parents and parents want to take over kids... and we re all either unilaterally trying to dominate other, or we submit to them for a moment or definitely, or we flee, or we cooperate. Cooperation works as long as the mutual exchange of ressources to insure each other odds of survival is balanced. When one gives more than he receives, it will create tensions and if it isnt balanced, corrected, the other will take over.
Also any force that doesnt meet a wall obstacle or counter force, will keep flowing freely.
My mother used to tell me "folly, madness, is destruction". The problem with her saying was that, sometimes you have to destroy to defend yourself, or you re going to get destroyed. But maybe there s a difference between destruction, and defense, maybe there s using violence to destroy blindly, and strenght to...defend, protect, build.
But it would mean....there s a good and evil and most importantly... That there indeed is a God as a result. I believe Christianity is the real, right and only true religion. Everything else will fail.
I dont hate all people. I hate people who are strong with the weak, and weak with the strong. And i love people who are strong with the strong, and weak with the weak.
I give my total and unconditional allegiance to God the One and only One, Who is, Life itself. May He spare my life, save me, and grant me -my genes- eternal life. May he read into my thoughts and show me the light. May he allow me to do justice. He will do so, only if I listen to Him , never abandon, forget Him, and never submit to the wicked nor become like him.
Only someone who has a deep understanding and respect of life , know death, nihilism, destruction but didnt fall for it, resisted it, does his best to avoid, fight it with all means necessary, can preserve it, reverse engineer it and re create it. But you also have to be part of life, to have kids, to fully understand its meaning.
Dumb, ignorant people who have a superficial understanding of life dont care about the future, and are only focused on the present. They kill without a second thought anything that threaten their domination. They only care about themselves. They believe money, power, lead the world and life in general. They are not, humans. They are animals who pretend to be humans. Being human is, something else.
I am not a jew, I am not a christian, I am not a protestant, I am not a catholic, I am not an atheist, I am not an indian, I am not a buddhist, I am not a confucian, I am not a muslim.
I am not God.
I am just a man.
Who tries to understand what is good and evil, and who is scared of death and dont want it to win. I can merely fight it with my fists, a knife, would probably do better with a rifle. But again, not alone. I fight death with my thoughts. A doctor, scientist, atheist, would probably call such a text a perfect example of a schizophrenic/ bipolar/ paranoid /autistic/ obsessive/compulsive (strike out the useless mention) mania provoked by intense daily stress that should require an immediate internment and the administration of magic pills. All these people would make a living out of people like me. Now a religious people would probably understand what I'm saying differently too. A depressed atheist would probably be transported by it , follow it, and be as lost as I am in the end. As a result I would be his, her leader, and his, her destination would be in my hands.
Only the love for and from my family helps me get thru it each and every single day. It's my natural antidepressant, the problem is that my will power, will to live, will to dominate, to play the game diminishes every single day a little more. Unemployment doesnt help, society doesnt need me, doesnt wait for me, and i dont have the stamina, energy, anymore to face the younger, stronger, "smarter" competition. I love my daughter, but everyday that passes, i realize raising her, is telling her to kill instead of being killed. To be strong, to be smart, to survive at all costs, even if at the detriment of someone else. I will have to teach her to ignore, to dominate, to seduce. To play the game with a full deck of cards so she can do "better" than me.
It would be my way of playing the game thru her , a game i was never taught by my father who regret having given birth to me, regret his own life even if he s hooked on it -in fact he s hooked on sex with two or three lonely ugly women who failed past relationships just like him, that's his only motivation to stay alive, he does nothing of his days, only focus on the pleasure of food and sex while using his brains to stay on welfare as much as he can while parasiting (taking more than he gives-working women- I only survived thank to because of what my mother left me with. My step father was fat and loved our mother, but not me nor my bigger brother. We werent his kids, his own blood. I have been exposed to him for years, to a non loving father who think life "is dumb", to a mother on anti depressants who had a great career but is single, lonely, ugly, and who now pay a psychanalyst to still talk to a man... Her own mother hated her and prefered her other sister. Funny how everyone's past cross each other's, we re blindly reproducing stuff over and over again. Strategies of survival. It keeps going on and on and on, lifeforms win, feel good, lose, feel bad; some animals have what it takes to feel, others dont, depend of their brain, neural development. Over and over and over again. Lots of suicidal, adulterous, depressed deep thinkers in my ancestors. Im just their sum, the physical, psychological, sum of who they were. They mixed with other people. I inherited it all, and just like them I didnt choose to be spawned by them, and all I'm left with to play the game is their strategies of survival stored, recorded into my genes. Oh, education, the stuff i learned, read, acquired strategies of survival have their importance. Just like the love I received, and didnt receive, has its. A mix of all of this.
I'm conditioned, programmed, to suffer. I could work again, dominate, kill, erase, manipulate people daily 8 hours a day. It s an anti depressant. Use your strenghts to kill instead of being killed. I could steal, rob, murder -notice the difference between murder and killing; you kill to survive, you murder when it's not necessary- take drugs, go from a young naive woman to another using my physical appearance to survive. I could use my brains to study and dominate, or to create stuff that would motivate other people to want to live. Telling them tales, writing, drawing unreal, strong characters they would model their own character after.
Do something. play the game. Be part of it. Contribute. Again. It would automatically acts as a "natural" anti depressant, would produce dopamine, serotonin in my brain, that's just the way it is designed, wired by blind, random, unfair evolution, or by a superior power.
The problem is, i dont want to hurt, I dont want to suffer, I dont have the strenght, the stamina, anymore. Probably what happen when you re raised by a single woman, exposed mostly to females constantly. You become weak...feminine, gay? Still Im a god in bed and i love fucking my wife, and if find women beautiful -i completely abandonned the desire to fuck them tho, as i realized i couldt raise several offspring with several different women so now i just find them beautiful, and tell my wife what i like in them and she tries her best to ressemble it-
Maybe I should try that path, maybe that's my place, bisexuality, homosexuality. The problem is that most gays dont reproduce, some do, some dont. It's a problem because it's nihilistic. Most just use frantically use sex often with different partners as their main anti depressant, most are very intelligent, sensible, deep , productive artists. They are often rich and have a deep influence on society. Some think they are the future, some think they are just as absurd, and vain lifeforms, as heterosexuals.
I dont know. Maybe we are just animals who simply adapt to the environment that life's randomness expose them to. Lack of trustable, confident, stable family doesnt help. People coming from stable families simply follow what their caregivers tell them to do. Everyone is playing the game his, her best. Whatever your skin color, beliefs, philosophy, religion. All races have their poors, their riches, their alphas and betas. We are all the fucking same. Animals. Trapped in the same game which rules never change. Some say knowledge is power. I have understood everything there is to understand because for some reason i'm am incredibly intelligent -intelligence being the way one observe, analyze and explain, order and expose what he understands- but I am also incredibly unhappy. Old people who were busy all life long playing the gaes blindly, following various influences from various people they ve been randomly exposed to come to the same conclusion as me. One day they re retired, they have all the time to look at life from outside, observe it, understand it more and more each day.
Im 30 and have the knowledge of a 80 y/o. I probably didnt understand everything yet. Is coming to the conclusion life is absurd, really "understanding it" ?
Maybe I am a sinner, my father always told me he was lazy and regretted it. But it's not that he was lazy, it's just that...just like me, he was abandoned by his own father. He had no confidence in himself, he built none, and had none to give. His father was violent and drank with him too. I understood and pardoned him after meeting with him. He s a cynical, bitter hateful, nihilistic scornful man who pretends to be tough but who gets more and more pathetic as he ages. As nihilistic as he is tho, he keeps hooked on women and welfare tho. Do I understand him, believe him, am convinced by him, am i following in his footsteps. Problem is, what he says, makes sense. The ultimate irony is probably that even if separated, both He and my mother end lonely, and saying the same things about life.
Im just trying to hold the fuck on. Im trying to fucking understand.
The funny thing is, that being the depressed man trying to find his niche, I'm filling a place, a role, that's probably who I am.
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I dont know if good and evil exist... maybe only the fittest survive, and tell /write a story about who s good and who is evil afterwards. The loser is always evil.
Fact is there are only people and animals -people being animals- who are adapted, or arent adapted. In other animal species inadapted individuals die. In the human specie we keep them alive because it gives a job, reason to live, salary, to other humans who arent as weak but who arent strong either. In other animal species there is no compassion for the physically weak as he is useless to the survival of others. In humans, even the physically weak can be useful to stronger individuals because of his thoughts , strategies of survival he can teach to younger individuals , or for his /her money which is a strategy , tool for survival. You can see compassion in some other monkey species for example; individuals mourn dying, ill loved ones who helped them survive, gave a meaning to their lives. They probably only do so because it decreases their own odds of survival; we only care about important people or relatives dying, not about people who arent beneficial to our survival. We humans do the same, we dont care about people we dont know. We ignore them. Which also is a strategy of survival. Ignore, avoid, potential enemies, while sublimating yourself creating stuff, working, to finally dominate them later.
Some people are engeenered to be stronger than others, and others smarter. But we re all fighting for our own peace and tranquility, which often comes at the price of submiting someone else, we re all fighting for ressources, for power, money, for domination. Sometimes people submit , sometimes they dominate, sometimes they cooperate when they have enough shared interests and fighting would lead to mutual destruction, and sometimes they flee. All lifeforms, everything that exist, animals and plants , microscopic cells or heavy objects in space are ruled by these very simple rules.
Now everyone thinks he deserves this or that, everyone thinks he s the best and deserve it, and everyone is born different, inequal, with less or more strenghts than others. And we re all trying to adapt to survive, picking one the aforementioned main strategies of survival depending of the random threat we re facing. Life is basically a succession of threats you have to adapt to until you cant anymore. We also all try to learn from others their best strategies of survival in order to integrate them in our own panel of strategies of survival to increase our odds of survival. You can learn from books -people wrote to make a living; they shared the strategies of survival they found in order to get paid for what they discovered, it's a way to sublimate yourself- or from listening to, observing others. We all calculate each others strenghts and weaknesses in order to know how to approach -dominate, get the most while giving the less in order to preserve our limited amount of energy- each others. Can ultimate peace found? Only if you are constantly dominant; and only rich and powerful people are "always happy" as they can control others and not feel frustration having submited everyone else. Also when you earn something you spend the rest of your life to defend it.
I think happiness is linked to control, domination, submission -to people we know for certain wont hurt us- cooperation and failing, fleeing to find the place and the people who will all fit in the picture. A mix of it all, all the pros without the cons. Considering you cant dominate in all aspects of life, you need some things you master, you need to submit to someone, and you need to cooperate, and who never fled , failed? Hapiness is probably finding "it all" the quickest, and then do something positive about it all in return. There is a need to fit and produce for society even if you re confortable in your little warm place.
I m also convinced this little warm spot, your piece of heaven in hell, can only be built by heterosexual and willing to have kids couples. There are homosexual and heterosexual couples with or without kids but they are wrong. Their kids are going to be fucked up. The best scenario is a man and woman who are humble and live in a calm warm spot where they raise happy kids who will once adults reproduce this scheme. It's important tho that they must not have too much money and be self sufficient.
Big dumb people hate short smart people, short small people get smarter to survive and avoid the fists of the big bullies, or take steroids until they destroy themselves, women want to take over men and men want to take over women, kids want to take over parents and parents want to take over kids... and we re all either unilaterally trying to dominate other, or we submit to them for a moment or definitely, or we flee, or we cooperate. Cooperation works as long as the mutual exchange of ressources to insure each other odds of survival is balanced. When one gives more than he receives, it will create tensions and if it isnt balanced, corrected, the other will take over.
Also any force that doesnt meet a wall obstacle our counter force, will keep flowing freely.
My mother used to tell me "folly, madness, is destruction". The problem with her saying was that, sometimes you have to destroy to defend yourself, or you re going to get destroyed. But maybe there s a difference between destruction, and defense, maybe there using violence to destroy, and strenght to...defend, protect, build.
But it would mean....there s a good and evil and most importantly... That there indeed is a God as a result. I believe Christianity is the real, right and only true religion. Everything else will fail.
I dont hate all people. I hate people who are strong with the weak, and weak with the strong. And i love people who are strong with the strong, and weak with the weak.
I give my total and unconditional allegiance to God the One and only One, Who is, Life itself. May He spare my life, save me, and grant me -my genes- eternal life. May he read into my thoughts and show me the light. May he allow me to do justice. He will do so, only if I listen to Him , never abandon, forget Him, and never submit to the wicked nor become like him.
Only someone who has a deep understanding and respect of life , know death, nihilism, destruction but didnt fall for it, resisted it, does his best to avoid, fight it with all means necessary, can preserve it, reverse engineer it and re create it. But you also have to be part of life, to have kids, to fully understand its meaning.
Dumb, ignorant people who have a superficial understanding of life dont care about the future, and are only focused on the present. They kill without a second thought anything that threaten their domination. They only care about themselves. They believe money, power, lead the world and life in general. They are not, humans. They are animals who pretend to be humans. Being human is, something else.
I am not a jew, I am not a christian, I am not a protestant, I am not a catholic, I am not an atheist, I am not an indian, I am not a buddhist, I am not a confucian, I am not a muslim.
I am not God.
I am just a man who tries to understand what is good and evil, and who is scared of death and dont want it to win. I can merely fight it with my fists, a knife, would probably do better with a rifle. But again, not alone. I fight death with my thoughts.
Thank you. Post again.
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Actually there's a lot of evidence. There's even testable, repeatable proof. Faith is absolutely a part of belief, but it's not generically blind like so many label it....there's full assurance in faith. Faith isn't ignorantly unsupported, it grows and matures and solidifies.
So many demand proof for an infinite, transcendant God via finite, scientific methods. The demands are illogical from the start.....you can't force the creator into a box created by his creation. To understand God means submitting to his terms and forgoing your own.....many people refuse to do that.....I can't force anyone to change. They have to honestly want to change.....only then they can be encouraged and assisted.
No, there is no testable, repeatable proof that a God exists. Stop making up lies to support your faith.
Any type of testable, repeatable proof you have is in the form of a subjective experience. That is only proof that a God exists to YOU. Its not an objective truth, like gravity, etc.
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MOS, has an answer for everything. Unfortunately, the answers are the same old bullshit answers that have been espoused by crazy religions beliefs for quite some time. Yes, sin, blah, blah, blah. Yes, free will, blah, blah, blah.
I mean, how can anyone take 99% of the stuff he says seriously? :-\ :-\ :-\
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No, there is no testable, repeatable proof that a God exists. Stop making up lies to support your faith.
Any type of testable, repeatable proof you have is in the form of a subjective experience. That is only proof that a God exists to YOU. Its not an objective truth, like gravity, etc.
But...why does it HAVE to be proved, testable. Cannot it be true, even if not proven? Isnt it proven everyday that people survive because someone else love them, even if everyone else hate them? Just like every single life form need other lifeforms to exist ? Would dogs create gods? A canine god? They dont have our prefrontal lobes, just a reptilian base and a limbic system. Only we humans with our prefrontal lobes can come to the conclusion there is a God. But again, maybe it's just anthromorphism; we think there is a father in the sky who tells us how to be a man or woman because we had a father and he told us how to be a man or woman. What if we re just a mistake of evolution, that will be randomly corrected/erased if it cannot adapt. One thing is sure, believing in nothing, in absurdity, is fucking killing me and makes me want to kill, murder others.
Also when you thin about it, fleeing can be a way to put yourself in safety to dominate -or submit, cooperate- later if you re in danger of being dominated unfairly, enslaved or killed by someone who thinks differently and has power. You can also submit to someone and slowly grow into dominating him without him or her noticing. Submiting sometimes allow you to learn things -authority authorizes you to do something, it does not just prevent you from doing other things- too.
Finally, it is a proven fact that...Faith exists.
Now is faith good, or evil? Depends of the faith you believe in ! Amd often believing in one means being at war with the others! It is good if it encourages life to continue, perpetuate itself, and it is bad if you come to the conclusion it is absurd, a constant blind unfair butchery where only the strongest has "fun".
Aids is "not good" as it kills. Alcohol is not good if you abuse it, can be an anti depressant if used carefully, just like other drugs. Faith is good as it helps people live. People who have a different faith tho are evil, as a faith is automatically in contradiction with another faith and they both fight each others one way or another, it cannot be otherwise, because any force is always acting against a counter force following universal rules.
Isnt the real question to know if ...life itself is good, or evil. Maybe life is evil? I mean, it's only about struggling, deception. The most pure, so called honorable things are often not what they seem to be when you understand the real mechanisms at work in the background.
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What if it was just a question of marketing? Like can you spare a minute? Do you prefer the New & Improved Testament? Or Testament Classic?
No one has ever run anyone else through with a big sword at a taste test in a mall. I guess Islam would be like RC.
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Also how comes we cant help everyone? I know i could help fat people, ugly people, get in shape, improve their looks, dumb people to get smarter, but i am powerless, it convinces me of the absurdity of life, as if wanting to create heaven on earth was scientifically, mathematically impossible. What about when you want to help someone but they backstab you?
Often when i see a fat or skinny fat woman i could help i wonder what if she falls in love with me? And isnt my will to help her a secrete, deeper desire to cheat on my wife instead? It's as if everything forced you to care, focus, only on your close relatives, family, first and foremost to reach perfection, as if extending your will to do good to others people was intrinsically impossible and unpure.
I came to the conclusion that to do good for others is pointless, fake, that it's my desire to make myself feel good that is my sole motivation. That Good somehow doesnt really exist, and that only evil exists. Is evil, evil?
Maybe it's good? Maybe good is evil ? maybe it's a lie , an illusion and heaven is to die, kill yourself.
We are coming from nowhere, we are going nowhere, and anyway, there is no need to come or go anywhere. We are probably a mistake of evolution that is going nowhere. Well, some will survive, will adapt, they ll be less smart, more faithful, i dont know, and they ll survive as being a smart atheist automatically leads you to stop reproducing and wanting to live if you really think about it. The old depressed west is dying. Its kids kill themselves, swimming into material goods. The...confucian, indian, buddhist, christian and muslim believers from the third world slowly but surely replace them both in north america, europe, russia, australia at the same time. As they live as occidentals, they will also probably slowly abandon their beliefs and become atheists, and stop reproducing and wanting to live too. Then we will disapear, probably way before any cataclysmic random event wipes us out of the surface of that stupid rock. We re just a dumb lifeform that s doomed to extinction just like every other lifeforms.
MAybe there is a need to be happy to make good use of your brains, and im simply condemned to be unhappy with my brain cause i wasnt loved and dont believe in bettering myself, bettering others. Why am i ashamed to teach my daughter how to survive? I feel weird when i teach her stuff. I feel good, and evil at the same time. Why cant i simply be happy like most people? Do we really teach our kids to kill, to dominate? My own father when i spent time with him covinced me teaching is bad, that we only teach to kill. And that we only learn to kill, and dominate. Is this the truth?
I mean Im teaching my daughter to adapt to survive. Which means when to dominate -the benevolent way, showing example , being tolerant but not naive; to do so requires beliefs, values whatever their origin- when to submit -at school, let people who are better than her do things she cant do, in the interest of the group , not let her ego go in the way- when to cooperate, when to flee, when to ignore. She will need me for decades. My father somewhat convinced me i am a monster to want to live, because life is ugly, worthless. Then why is he still hanging on then? What an egocentrical self centered hypocrit.
Becareful who you listen to people. And make sure you know who they are listening to... As in any relationship someone is killing toughts in your mind, and planting new seeds or nurturing other he or she already planted there. You re also modifying the other persons thoughts. "Dont play with a young girl's heart" as michael jackson would say. I have believed in an atheist interpretation of buddhism after reading "the art of hapiness" as a teen, written by howard cutler and the dalai lama. I read it, cause my parents, step father, brother who left, all left me alone and were killing me. I found something that gave a meaning to my life. I believed for years the point of life was happiness. So without any second thoughts, i integrated all these principles, which replaced old ones, it often also simply put new ones where there was nothing. Everyone who was suposed to help me abandonned me at that time. My mother told me that as a teen i was rebelling against her and my step father, wasnt able to find success or a way to sublimate myself at school, in studies. I was always preoccupied, looking outside thru the windows, ironically mocking professors and the "tough guys" who as a result felt threatened and bullied me.
Anyway at some point i found that book , found the dalai lama interesting after seeing him on TV doing an interview. I bought the book, my mom thought it was better that nothing, normal for a teen. Then I left, she put me in an appartment cause i couldnt stay at home and i grew bigger . I didnt talk to my step father anymore so i had to go. I spent three years doing nothing in that appartment, but reading and playing video games, and, lifting weights. As i mentionned it earlier in another thread, my brother discovered weightlifting/bodybuilding/physical conditioning and left a dumbell at my parents house once. When nobody was home and i was skipping school, i started lifting the weight, thinking it was cool. Just like a monkey discovering a wood stick and suddenly, progressively realizing it could become a weapon, i started to realize it was getting me strong, bigger , and the anti depressant effect on my brain -wasnt aware, able, to understand any of these concepts at the time, it was entirely subconscious, only now do i understand what happened- got me hooked, addicted. I bought myself a computer too, and started doing music -both mother and father were into music, when they dated she was a singer, he was a drummer/guitarist/bassist, in the 70/80s- with lame ass music making softwares. At the time everything flowed freely, just programmed strategies of survival -making music is a strategy of survival to sublimate yourself and get attention from other, in fact everything that exists is strategy of survival, or it wouldnt exist- stored in my genes automatically set off by random events and opportunities in my close environment without me choosing anything. It was exciting, but, there was nobody to accompany, follow, motivate me. I was always alone. Constantly. So after a while i always abandoned everything i started, music, drawing, also my mother step father brother and father constantly played mind games around me and blindly used me depending of the day of the week to pressure others. I was cut from most people of my age at school , cause i always irritated the bullies pointing at how the manipulated others using violence and as result they always isolated me and other people would abandon me too fearing to become scapegoats just like me if associating with me.
I finally was put in an appartment, with a computer, an internet connexion (56k!). It was in the 2000s. 1999 If i remember correctly. I discovered porn, online video games, and my mother gave me money for doing nothing. My brother was sutdying and living near my appartment in his own. He and my mother were wondering what to do with me. I rejected my mother strongly at that time. I told her to get out of my fucking head. After reading the art of hapiness i realized there were good and bad thoughts going into my mind and that i had to select the good ones and prevent the bad ones from getting in. I started out of the blue to do websites using html. Brother gave me hints as he realized his diplomas were useless and he wanted to work in IT. Just as usual, everything he showed me, i got into it, and got quicker and better at it than him, which always frustrated him. At some point he stopped doing tho, probably he was jealous. So i was there, listening to music, buying food, playing video games, surfing, lifting weights, learning about it online -bb.com!- at the time i wasnt able to speak english. Only french. I also constantly got harassed by muslim bullies cause my apartment complex was in one of the no go zone/gettho of paris shittiest suburb. Just like i rebelled againt my parents, my brother, bullies at school, i started to rebel against thugs, but as i soon figured out , it could cost me my life. I kept lifting got bigger, did creatine, religously ate and lifted. I was building myself. I was existing. Living, dominating, adapting. Probably the best period of my life. Why the best, the happiest? because everything was subconscious. I was an animal who wasnt aware, conscious, of being an animal. I found a job after my brother told me my mother was REALLY REALLY scared that i was apparently doing nothing and not giving a fuck about it. They also both suggested me to not end like...my father. It was very ambiguous because my brother played a double game, listening to my mother, then to my father, then to me, often seeking advices from...me his younger brother. He was studying, but he has always been a follower, not a leader. And he loved me but also hated me, for that so i had to take everything he gave me with great care, just like i had to do with my mother and father. Fact is they were and still are lost but noone will admit it. I was selecting the influences primarily using the principles, values, filters found in that book, the art of hapiness by howard cutler. And it worked just fine. I finally found a job as an webmaster in a big corporation. It was the time of the internet start ups -9 out of 10 died since then- the internet bubble etc. I did a bullshit certification part time, while working mostof the time for the company and being peanuts. Fact is, i wasnt really working, mostly surfing 80% of the time. There were conflicts in the hierarchy, in fact i only been recruited for obscure reasons. That was my first work experience. I made a great friend; he was 2 years older than me, reminded me of my relationship with my older brother. We played games, i was the wise naive guy with big biceps who never cared really too much about anything and enjoyed most of life. One day I was sick of jerking off porn and decided i wanted the real thing. I had built a physique, i was proud of me, took greater care of my apperance with the help of my bigger brother, i felt confidant enough to fuck for real. And i was sick of being alone. At the time the online chats were the rage, and i seduced an imigrant morocan woman older than me -i was 17 she was 24-
TBC
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I dont know if good and evil exist... maybe only the fittest survive, and tell /write a story about who s good and who is evil afterwards. The loser is always evil to the winner.
Fact is there are only people and animals -people being animals- who are adapted, or arent adapted. In other animal species inadapted individuals die. In the human specie we keep them alive because it gives a job, reason to live, salary, to other humans who arent as weak but who arent strong enough either to compete with the strongest above them. In other animal species there is no compassion for the physically weak as he is useless to the survival of others. In humans, even the physically weak can be useful to stronger individuals because of his thoughts , strategies of survival he can teach to younger individuals , or for his /her money which is a strategy , tool for survival. You can see compassion in some other monkey species for example; individuals mourn dying, ill loved ones who helped them survive, gave a meaning to their lives. They probably only do so because it decreases their own odds of survival; we only care about important people or relatives dying, not about people who arent beneficial to our survival. We humans do the same, we dont care about people we dont know. We ignore them. Which also is a strategy of survival. Ignore, avoid, potential enemies, while sublimating yourself creating stuff, working, to finally dominate them later.
Some people are engeenered to be stronger than others, and others smarter. But we re all fighting for our own peace and tranquility, which often comes at the price of submiting someone else, we re all fighting for ressources, for power, money, for domination. Sometimes people submit , sometimes they dominate, sometimes they cooperate when they have enough shared interests and fighting would lead to mutual destruction, and sometimes they flee. All lifeforms, everything that exist, animals and plants , microscopic cells or heavy objects in space are ruled by these very simple rules.
Now everyone thinks he deserves this or that, everyone thinks he s the best and deserve it, and everyone is born different, inequal, with less or more strenghts than others. And we re all trying to adapt to survive, picking one the aforementioned main strategies of survival depending of the random threat we re facing. Life is basically a succession of threats you have to adapt to until you cant anymore. We also all try to learn from others their best strategies of survival in order to integrate them in our own panel of strategies of survival to increase our odds of survival. You can learn from books -people wrote to make a living; they shared the strategies of survival they found in order to get paid for what they discovered, it's a way to sublimate yourself- or from listening to, observing others. We all calculate each others strenghts and weaknesses in order to know how to approach -dominate, get the most while giving the less in order to preserve our limited amount of energy- each others. Can ultimate peace be found? Only if you are constantly dominant; and only rich and powerful people are "always happy" as they can control others and not feel frustration having submited everyone else. Also when you earn something you spend the rest of your life to defend it.
I think happiness is linked to control, domination, submission -to people we know for certain wont hurt us- cooperation and failing, fleeing to find the place and the people who will all fit in the picture. A mix of it all, all the pros without the cons. Considering you cant dominate in all aspects of life, you need some things you master, you need to submit to someone, and you need to cooperate, and who never fled , failed? Hapiness is probably finding "it all" the quickest, and then do something positive about it all in return. There is a need to fit and produce for society even if you re confortable in your little warm place.
I m also convinced this little warm spot, your piece of heaven in hell, can only be built by heterosexual and willing to have kids couples. There are homosexual and heterosexual couples with or without kids but they are wrong. Their kids are going to be fucked up. The best scenario is a man and woman who are humble and live in a calm warm spot where they raise happy kids who will once adults reproduce this scheme. It's important tho that they must not have too much money and be self sufficient.
Big dumb people hate short smart people, short small people get smarter to survive and avoid the fists of the big bullies, or take steroids until they destroy themselves, women want to take over men and men want to take over women, kids want to take over parents and parents want to take over kids... and we re all either unilaterally trying to dominate other, or we submit to them for a moment or definitely, or we flee, or we cooperate. Cooperation works as long as the mutual exchange of ressources to insure each other odds of survival is balanced. When one gives more than he receives, it will create tensions and if it isnt balanced, corrected, the other will take over.
Also any force that doesnt meet a wall obstacle or counter force, will keep flowing freely.
My mother used to tell me "folly, madness, is destruction". The problem with her saying was that, sometimes you have to destroy to defend yourself, or you re going to get destroyed. But maybe there s a difference between destruction, and defense, maybe there s using violence to destroy blindly, and strenght to...defend, protect, build.
But it would mean....there s a good and evil and most importantly... That there indeed is a God as a result. I believe Christianity is the real, right and only true religion. Everything else will fail.
I dont hate all people. I hate people who are strong with the weak, and weak with the strong. And i love people who are strong with the strong, and weak with the weak.
I give my total and unconditional allegiance to God the One and only One, Who is, Life itself. May He spare my life, save me, and grant me -my genes- eternal life. May he read into my thoughts and show me the light. May he allow me to do justice. He will do so, only if I listen to Him , never abandon, forget Him, and never submit to the wicked nor become like him.
Only someone who has a deep understanding and respect of life , know death, nihilism, destruction but didnt fall for it, resisted it, does his best to avoid, fight it with all means necessary, can preserve it, reverse engineer it and re create it. But you also have to be part of life, to have kids, to fully understand its meaning.
Dumb, ignorant people who have a superficial understanding of life dont care about the future, and are only focused on the present. They kill without a second thought anything that threaten their domination. They only care about themselves. They believe money, power, lead the world and life in general. They are not, humans. They are animals who pretend to be humans. Being human is, something else.
I am not a jew, I am not a christian, I am not a protestant, I am not a catholic, I am not an atheist, I am not an indian, I am not a buddhist, I am not a confucian, I am not a muslim.
I am not God.
I am just a man.
Who tries to understand what is good and evil, and who is scared of death and dont want it to win. I can merely fight it with my fists, a knife, would probably do better with a rifle. But again, not alone. I fight death with my thoughts. A doctor, scientist, atheist, would probably call such a text a perfect example of a schizophrenic/ bipolar/ paranoid /autistic/ obsessive/compulsive (strike out the useless mention) mania provoked by intense daily stress that should require an immediate internment and the administration of magic pills. All these people would make a living out of people like me. Now a religious people would probably understand what I'm saying differently too. A depressed atheist would probably be transported by it , follow it, and be as lost as I am in the end. As a result I would be his, her leader, and his, her destination would be in my hands.
Only the love for and from my family helps me get thru it each and every single day. It's my natural antidepressant, the problem is that my will power, will to live, will to dominate, to play the game diminishes every single day a little more. Unemployment doesnt help, society doesnt need me, doesnt wait for me, and i dont have the stamina, energy, anymore to face the younger, stronger, "smarter" competition. I love my daughter, but everyday that passes, i realize raising her, is telling her to kill instead of being killed. To be strong, to be smart, to survive at all costs, even if at the detriment of someone else. I will have to teach her to ignore, to dominate, to seduce. To play the game with a full deck of cards so she can do "better" than me.
It would be my way of playing the game thru her , a game i was never taught by my father who regret having given birth to me, regret his own life even if he s hooked on it -in fact he s hooked on sex with two or three lonely ugly women who failed past relationships just like him, that's his only motivation to stay alive, he does nothing of his days, only focus on the pleasure of food and sex while using his brains to stay on welfare as much as he can while parasiting (taking more than he gives-working women- I only survived thank to because of what my mother left me with. My step father was fat and loved our mother, but not me nor my bigger brother. We werent his kids, his own blood. I have been exposed to him for years, to a non loving father who think life "is dumb", to a mother on anti depressants who had a great career but is single, lonely, ugly, and who now pay a psychanalyst to still talk to a man... Her own mother hated her and prefered her other sister. Funny how everyone's past cross each other's, we re blindly reproducing stuff over and over again. Strategies of survival. It keeps going on and on and on, lifeforms win, feel good, lose, feel bad; some animals have what it takes to feel, others dont, depend of their brain, neural development. Over and over and over again. Lots of suicidal, adulterous, depressed deep thinkers in my ancestors. Im just their sum, the physical, psychological, sum of who they were. They mixed with other people. I inherited it all, and just like them I didnt choose to be spawned by them, and all I'm left with to play the game is their strategies of survival stored, recorded into my genes. Oh, education, the stuff i learned, read, acquired strategies of survival have their importance. Just like the love I received, and didnt receive, has its. A mix of all of this.
I'm conditioned, programmed, to suffer. I could work again, dominate, kill, erase, manipulate people daily 8 hours a day. It s an anti depressant. Use your strenghts to kill instead of being killed. I could steal, rob, murder -notice the difference between murder and killing; you kill to survive, you murder when it's not necessary- take drugs, go from a young naive woman to another using my physical appearance to survive. I could use my brains to study and dominate, or to create stuff that would motivate other people to want to live. Telling them tales, writing, drawing unreal, strong characters they would model their own character after.
Do something. play the game. Be part of it. Contribute. Again. It would automatically acts as a "natural" anti depressant, would produce dopamine, serotonin in my brain, that's just the way it is designed, wired by blind, random, unfair evolution, or by a superior power.
The problem is, i dont want to hurt, I dont want to suffer, I dont have the strenght, the stamina, anymore. Probably what happen when you re raised by a single woman, exposed mostly to females constantly. You become weak...feminine, gay? Still Im a god in bed and i love fucking my wife, and if find women beautiful -i completely abandonned the desire to fuck them tho, as i realized i couldt raise several offspring with several different women so now i just find them beautiful, and tell my wife what i like in them and she tries her best to ressemble it-
Maybe I should try that path, maybe that's my place, bisexuality, homosexuality. The problem is that most gays dont reproduce, some do, some dont. It's a problem because it's nihilistic. Most just use frantically use sex often with different partners as their main anti depressant, most are very intelligent, sensible, deep , productive artists. They are often rich and have a deep influence on society. Some think they are the future, some think they are just as absurd, and vain lifeforms, as heterosexuals.
I dont know. Maybe we are just animals who simply adapt to the environment that life's randomness expose them to. Lack of trustable, confident, stable family doesnt help. People coming from stable families simply follow what their caregivers tell them to do. Everyone is playing the game his, her best. Whatever your skin color, beliefs, philosophy, religion. All races have their poors, their riches, their alphas and betas. We are all the fucking same. Animals. Trapped in the same game which rules never change. Some say knowledge is power. I have understood everything there is to understand because for some reason i'm am incredibly intelligent -intelligence being the way one observe, analyze and explain, order and expose what he understands- but I am also incredibly unhappy. Old people who were busy all life long playing the gaes blindly, following various influences from various people they ve been randomly exposed to come to the same conclusion as me. One day they re retired, they have all the time to look at life from outside, observe it, understand it more and more each day.
Im 30 and have the knowledge of a 80 y/o. I probably didnt understand everything yet. Is coming to the conclusion life is absurd, really "understanding it" ?
Maybe I am a sinner, my father always told me he was lazy and regretted it. But it's not that he was lazy, it's just that...just like me, he was abandoned by his own father. He had no confidence in himself, he built none, and had none to give. His father was violent and drank with him too. I understood and pardoned him after meeting with him. He s a cynical, bitter hateful, nihilistic scornful man who pretends to be tough but who gets more and more pathetic as he ages. As nihilistic as he is tho, he keeps hooked on women and welfare tho. Do I understand him, believe him, am convinced by him, am i following in his footsteps. Problem is, what he says, makes sense. The ultimate irony is probably that even if separated, both He and my mother end lonely, and saying the same things about life.
Im just trying to hold the fuck on. Im trying to fucking understand.
The funny thing is, that being the depressed man trying to find his niche, I'm filling a place, a role, that's probably who I am.
cliffs?
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What if it was just a question of getting a blog of one's very own and some daily psychiatric help?
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What if it was just a question of getting a blog of one's very own and some daily psychiatric help?
Dont like what you re reading heh? So let's send him to a doc...
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You have to admit that you type a whole lot, uber. We're all nuts here but you're one of those jumbo brazilian rainforest ones.
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Nothing started and nothing will end. A creator was never needed.
Spiritual religion is weakness that eventually creates mental illness.
People will believe what they convince themselves to believe.
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I am just trying to hold the fuck on. I am trying to fucking understand.
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Eastern religions are more fun to discuss. The monotheistic debate is kinda talked out.
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MOS, has an answer for everything. Unfortunately, the answers are the same old bullshit answers that have been espoused by crazy religions beliefs for quite some time. Yes, sin, blah, blah, blah. Yes, free will, blah, blah, blah.
I mean, how can anyone take 99% of the stuff he says seriously? :-\ :-\ :-\
I WISH I had an answer for everything LOL!! :D
I don't encourage you to trust my words alone (I'm a nobody). I do encourage you to pursue the answers for yourself and if my words help prompt that proactivity on your part then great. Still remaining idle won't draw you any closer to the truth than you are today. Still, if that's your prerogative then so be it because you're absolutely free to do so. I certainly don't encourage or prefer that, but my preferences are inconsequential.
Scripture is difficult to take for many....has been for me too in the past. It's tough at times because scripture reveals our shortcomings (which no one likes to admit) and contrasts us with God. As we've discussed before, God's law reveals the sin in our lives and his scripture can sometimes make people's blood boil because of that. Some will spend a lifetime running from that accountability and justifying it away however possible.....typically via approval of like-minded peers or mocking and ridicule (I'm fully used to that though...to that point it has virtually no impact on me anymore). The irony is that stepping away from the world and into God's grace is so simple and painless.
Hebrews 4:12-13
12 For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God. Everything is naked and exposed before his eyes, and he is the one to whom we are accountable.
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Nothing started and nothing will end. A creator was never needed.
Spiritual religion is weakness that eventually creates mental illness.
People will believe what they convince themselves to believe.
Yep
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Like I said earlier. If God exists, just go to a children's hospital cancer or burn center and tell me how any God can let this happen.
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Absolutely, I'll do my best so bear with me LOL!
The times I feel the presence of God occurs most often in moments of private prayer and worship. Christians will sometimes refer to the "washing over of the Holy Spirit" LOL....I know that sounds strange. The name of the Lord is powerful and when I call upon in it prayer or worship (at home, in my truck, even at work) I sometimes feel the Spirit of God envelop me or "wash over me". I feel warmth all over, tingling on my skin, sometimes I feel the presence so strong it's as if I'm moving through denser air. I feel love. I feel peace. I feel Jesus Christ. Some folks have experienced sweet smells out of nowhere (I have not experienced that before). I have felt fear flee almost instantly when I call on the name of the Lord and it is replaced by peace and warmth. No drugs, no alcohol, no meds, no other stimuli. Also it does not occur from inside me or radiate from within me. It isn't an inside out experience, this occurs from the outside in. Moments of private prayer and worship are those times where I connect with Lord.....I've literally felt the sensation as though I'm being embraced in moments of prayer. I've even felt his presence while studying my bible or reading other theological materials. I've felt his presence envelop me at church and when in discussions with family and friends. I've even felt his presence while I post about him on Getbig. It doesn't happen everyday, but I enjoy those precious moments when it does.
Well said and I agree with you totally. It's sad that many people refuse to see, feel and believe in the power of the Almighty...it's beautiful.
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Like I said earlier. If God exists, just go to a children's hospital cancer or burn center and tell me how any God can let this happen.
God allows EVERYTHING to happen. It does not interfere. Those are the lessons those souls need at that time. Difficult for you to understand.
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God allows EVERYTHING to happen. It does not interfere. Those are the lessons those souls need at that time. Difficult for you to understand.
So if god doesn't interfere then why do most religions people thank god and give god credit for anything good that happens? A near car accident, thank god, being cured of a disease, thank god. They pray to god always asking for things. God is most Christians personal ATM.
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So if god doesn't interfere then why do most religions people thank god and give god credit for anything good that happens? A near car accident, thank god, being cured of a disease, thank god. They pray to god always asking for things. God is most Christians personal ATM.
Here's from another discussion on prayer:
Hey BS....good read!
Dave’s comments presuppose that God has predetermined a path for our lives according to his will. Dave is correct.
As Dave concludes: “Either your prayer is against God's will and therefore won't happen because you can't change his mind, or your prayer is according to God's will but doesn't make a difference because God's will would have been carried out anyway. Prayer is pointless. It's a waste of time.”
Appears to be sewn up pretty neatly.
Dave also suggests that God’s perfection has predetermined the best possible outcome for our lives. Dave is correct again.
As Dave suggests our prayers are merely recommendations that are only valid if they agree with God’s preset choices because anything less than God’s preset choice is a step in the wrong direction.
Ultimately Dave blames God’s perfection and omniscience because he feels it invalidates the act of prayer rendering our prayers meaningless.
God is omniscient and has a will for each of our lives and chronologically that foreknowledge precedes our future choices, but the world he created takes into account our future choices and allows for his will and our will to be accomplished within the same perfect creation. Now certainly only God’s will for our lives and our will for our lives can only be fulfilled simultaneously if they agree, but still God’s will for our lives takes second fiddle to our own will for our lives if they don’t agree.
God desires that we desire his will for our lives, but he honors our choice to defy his predetermined will. In essence, just because God is omniscient and has a predetermined will for our lives doesn’t mean his will is pre-executed. We can easily defy his will for our lives. For example, Jesus Christ desires that we all come to accept him as our Lord and Savior, but I’m gonna guess that the atheists and agnostics on Getbig aren’t going to gives their lives to Christ again today. That said, God’s predetermined will for our lives still exists, but has been defied. As Dave stated, God’s mind isn’t going to change either, but that doesn’t mean his will for our lives is going to come to fruition ….we can prevent it.
So why pray?
The main reason I can think of to pray is that Jesus Christ told us to pray and later the apostle Paul affirmed that we should pray (without ceasing) according to that which was revealed to him by Jesus Christ.
A second reason to consider praying is that while Jesus Christ came as the incarnate Son of God on earth and assumed a limited human form that he prayed to God the Father for guidance and strength as an example of how we should seek him in our own lives. If prayer was appropriate for the Son of God then it’s appropriate for me…..God set the standard.
Another reason to pray is because believers are engaged in a personal relationship with the Almighty and relationships are two-way streets. How many successful relationships involve only one party engaged in communication with the other? None that I’ve ever known of. This is our opportunity as believers to consistently remain connected with our Lord and Savior and experience the tangible presence of the Holy Spirit (not the only way to feel the Holy Spirit's presence, but a powerful way).
A third reason to consider is that the act of prayer is not for God’s edification, it’s for ours (God doesn't need our prayers). Prayer is a means by which we as believers can strengthen our faith. Prayer is our opportunity to draw closer to God, to feel his presence via the Holy Spirit, to worship and to seek his will. As believers our will for our lives should always match God’s will for our lives. Almost every day I pray and I ask God that he reveal himself through me to others and that his will be done in my life. I pray that I am able to recognize his fingerprints and guidance along the way to ensure that he will is being accomplished and that I’m not a hindrance. As Dave already suggested, God’s will for our lives is perfect and anything less than that is a step in wrong direction.
A fourth reason to consider prayer is that despite the fact that God doesn’t change his mind about his will for our lives this doesn’t necessitate his inability to intervene supernaturally to right the course of our lives while remaining in complete harmony with his preset will for our lives…..he is God afterall. How does he accomplish this? Wish I could tell you LOL.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
New Living Translation (NLT)
16 Always be joyful. 17 Never stop praying. 18 Be thankful in all circumstances, for this is God’s will for you who belong to Christ Jesus.
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Like I said earlier. If God exists, just go to a children's hospital cancer or burn center and tell me how any God can let this happen.
Don't think for a minute that Christians never consider this. It upsets me no end, believe me. Sometimes I think that God is just some kid with an ant farm. Having said that, consider this -
All of the, for lack of a better term, "conscious evil" in this world is caused by men. And yet mankind, all of us that live on this planet called Earth, allow it to happen. Who is in control of this place? Who is responsible for this mess? Yup.
Men. And (some) men are stupid. And greedy, perverse and just plain disgusting sometimes.
It matters not if the evil they do is perpetrated in the name of some God, god or goddess, especially so if you believe as you apparently do, that there is no "God". It is done in their hearts before it is ever brought to fruition.
I suggest you question them before ever looking to any deity for an answer. Good luck.
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Like I said earlier. If God exists, just go to a children's hospital cancer or burn center and tell me how any God can let this happen.
Nick Vujicic has an interesting take on why God allows things to happen to people. Give it a watch when you have an hour to spare. I've heard him speak live....Nick is a very cool man.
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Ken Freeman also has an interesting take on facing adversity.....he's been through it. I've seen Ken speak live a number of times.....another really cool man with tremendous perspective.
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Don't think for a minute that Christians never consider this. It upsets me no end, believe me. Sometimes I think that God is just some kid with an ant farm. Having said that, consider this -
All of the, for lack of a better term, "conscious evil" in this world is caused by men. And yet mankind, all of us that live on this planet called Earth, allow it to happen. Who is in control of this place? Who is responsible for this mess? Yup.
Men. And (some) men are stupid. And greedy, perverse and just plain disgusting sometimes.
It matters not if the evil they do is perpetrated in the name of some God, god or goddess, especially so if you believe as you apparently do, that there is no "God". It is done in their hearts before it is ever brought to fruition.
I suggest you question them before ever looking to any deity for an answer. Good luck.
So what's the point of prayer then?
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So what's the point of prayer then?
I would say that it's not so much to "influence" God but rather to lean upon Him. And in doing so, hope for the better. To have faith is not an easy thing. To believe in "nothing" is easy but far from comforting.
I would rather have hope in something good. If others think different, that is fine.
Be well.
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God and religion are two different things. There were religions before the ones we have now and there will be religions after. Same bs different spin.
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Nick Vujicic has an interesting take on why God allows things to happen to people. Give it a watch when you have an hour to spare. I've heard him speak live....Nick is a very cool man.
This is all BS. People making up excuses. If the bible is the end all and be all of what Christians believe religion to be then where is this stated?
Buddhists view is also crap. All people must suffer before being enlightened. Sounds like some BS guy who had a fucked up life and needed an excuse to justify it. Muslims are no better, they believe in God as a person yet worship a black square in Mecca with a stone in it. Kind of a juxtaposition in their beliefs.
Most religions can't even get their stories straight. Ask a question about the bible to a Baptist, Lutheran, catholic, souther Baptist, presibiterian .... and you get back a different answer from each one.
Taliban claim to be devout muslims but they do this chant or rocking in a circle that is totally creepy that even muslims find creepy.
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What excuses are being made? Don't understand your comment. Christians follow Jesus Christ.....it's in the name.
John 1
Prologue: Christ, the Eternal Word
1 In the beginning the Word already existed.
The Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
2 He existed in the beginning with God.
3 God created everything through him,
and nothing was created except through him.
4 The Word gave life to everything that was created,
and his life brought light to everyone.
5 The light shines in the darkness,
and the darkness can never extinguish it.
6 God sent a man, John the Baptist, 7 to tell about the light so that everyone might believe because of his testimony. 8 John himself was not the light; he was simply a witness to tell about the light. 9 The one who is the true light, who gives light to everyone, was coming into the world.
10 He came into the very world he created, but the world didn’t recognize him. 11 He came to his own people, and even they rejected him. 12 But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God. 13 They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God.
14 So the Word became human and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father’s one and only Son.
15 John testified about him when he shouted to the crowds, “This is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘Someone is coming after me who is far greater than I am, for he existed long before me.’”
16 From his abundance we have all received one gracious blessing after another. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but God’s unfailing love and faithfulness came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father’s heart. He has revealed God to us.
Nicene Creed:
We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
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I would say that it's not so much to "influence" God but rather to lean upon Him. And in doing so, hope for the better. To have faith is not an easy thing. To believe in "nothing" is easy but far from comforting.
I would rather have hope in something good. If others think different, that is fine.
Be well.
Wanting to believe and actually believing are very different things, I've discovered. I agree, believing in nothing does not comfort me at all, but it is what it is. I'm happy for the faithful, even if I don't agree with their beliefs.
Be well as well.
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Buddhists view is also crap. All people must suffer before being enlightened. Sounds like some BS guy who had a fucked up life and needed an excuse to justify it.
I don't think that's it. Suffering is bad. The idea is to correctly understand the impermanence of things. Then you won't suffer.
The thing that you love and want to hold on to isn't really there. You aren't really there. There is no thing. There is no you. Just stuff in transition. Mistakenly accepting the identity of things and the permanence it implies results in frustrated attachment and suffering.
It's unique in that it's non-theistic, so I wouldn't call it a religion. It's more like metaphysical surfing. Religions with Gods come with the notion of things that exist eternally, and often promise that you will exist eternally, for better or worse. Buddha says never mind eternally, you don't even exist right fucking now.
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I don't think that's it. Suffering is bad. The idea is to correctly understand the impermanence of things. Then you won't suffer.
The thing that you love and want to hold on to isn't really there. You aren't really there. There is no thing. There is no you. Just stuff in transition. Mistakenly accepting the identity of things and the permanence it implies results in frustrated attachment and suffering.
It's unique in that it's non-theistic, so I wouldn't call it a religion. It's more like metaphysical surfing. Religions with Gods come with the notion of things that exist eternally, and often promise that you will exist eternally, for better or worse. Buddha says never mind eternally, you don't even exist right fucking now.
"“Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust." Lawrence Krauss
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"“Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust." Lawrence Krauss
I confess. Where Buddhaism loses me is with the question of the perpetuation of its wisdom within the bro. If I grant that no physical aspect of being is immutable, and that mental aspects are evolving as well, then the continuing knowing of anatman implies a self which is [knowing] and which continues [knowing].
So who knows anatman?
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Absolutely, I'll do my best so bear with me LOL!
The times I feel the presence of God occurs most often in moments of private prayer and worship. Christians will sometimes refer to the "washing over of the Holy Spirit" LOL....I know that sounds strange. The name of the Lord is powerful and when I call upon in it prayer or worship (at home, in my truck, even at work) I sometimes feel the Spirit of God envelop me or "wash over me". I feel warmth all over, tingling on my skin, sometimes I feel the presence so strong it's as if I'm moving through denser air. I feel love. I feel peace. I feel Jesus Christ. Some folks have experienced sweet smells out of nowhere (I have not experienced that before). I have felt fear flee almost instantly when I call on the name of the Lord and it is replaced by peace and warmth. No drugs, no alcohol, no meds, no other stimuli. Also it does not occur from inside me or radiate from within me. It isn't an inside out experience, this occurs from the outside in. Moments of private prayer and worship are those times where I connect with Lord.....I've literally felt the sensation as though I'm being embraced in moments of prayer. I've even felt his presence while studying my bible or reading other theological materials. I've felt his presence envelop me at church and when in discussions with family and friends. I've even felt his presence while I post about him on Getbig. It doesn't happen everyday, but I enjoy those precious moments when it does.
Amen bro