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My little brother is planning 2 cycles.
1-Massa
Week 1-10
TestE 1000 mg
Deca 600 mg
Week 1-4
Dianabol 50 mg
2-Cutting cycle (july 2014)
W1-10
TestE 500 mg
Tren A approx 1000 mg per week
Oral winstrol 60 mg per day (W1-4)
He has one concern about it:
His levels of cholesterol are not so perfect. his HDL/LDL ratio is not ok.
What to do? waiting for a better ratio before using the gear? or less amounts of roids?
What do you guys think?
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My little brother is planning 2 cycles.
1-Massa
Week 1-10
TestE 1000 mg
Deca 600 mg
Week 1-4
Dianabol 50 mg
2-Cutting cycle (july 2014)
W1-10
TestE 500 mg
Tren A approx 1000 mg per week
Oral winstrol 60 mg per day (W1-4)
He has one concern about it:
His levels of cholesterol are not so perfect. his HDL/LDL ratio is not ok.
What to do? waiting for a better ratio before using the gear? or less amounts of roids?
What do you guys think?
what are the exact readings?
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you think its so easy to tell why his cholesterol is out of whack?
you realize that even many docs couldnt tell?
has he checked whether hes diabetic?
not just blodsugar test, but full out looking if he got fatty liver, insulin resistency etc?
i think i know why it is.
if hes going to go for "massa" ( ::) ) things will worsen.
its not as simple as you think.
if he got insulin resistency, he got other things to worry about.
i can ask some more things about parameters.
whats his bodyfat, what his stomach circumference?
triglyceride levels?
hdl cholesterol?
bloodpressure
bloodsugar on empty stomach.
list these if you can.
has he got high vldl cholesterol, high triglycerides, low ldl cholesterol and low hdl cholesterol?
post those, before that, any further discussion is pointless, can bet on that.
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this is btw an insane dose cycle for someone with bad cholesterol readings, and most likely ignorant diet behaviors.
a recipe for disaster.
whats his diet, if he even has something like that
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My little brother is planning 2 cycles.
1-Massa
Week 1-10
TestE 1000 mg
Deca 600 mg
Week 1-4
Dianabol 50 mg
2-Cutting cycle (july 2014)
W1-10
TestE 500 mg
Tren A approx 1000 mg per week
Oral winstrol 60 mg per day (W1-4)
He has one concern about it:
His levels of cholesterol are not so perfect. his HDL/LDL ratio is not ok.
What to do? waiting for a better ratio before using the gear? or less amounts of roids?
What do you guys think?
Bulking looks good in theory, but would fuck with his cholesterol levels if you take into account he'll be eating more (presumably unclean) and popping dbols.
When cutting he's going to be using 1g tren a week? I know guys that jump off the wall at 700mg/wk... I hope he's run it before and knows how he reacts to it.
I'm not sure how tren will affect his cholesterol (I can only assume it wouldn't affect it positively), someone might want to chime in on that.
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My little brother is planning 2 cycles.
1-Massa
Week 1-10
TestE 1000 mg
Deca 600 mg
Week 1-4
Dianabol 50 mg
2-Cutting cycle (july 2014)
W1-10
TestE 500 mg
Tren A approx 1000 mg per week
Oral winstrol 60 mg per day (W1-4)
He has one concern about it:
His levels of cholesterol are not so perfect. his HDL/LDL ratio is not ok.
What to do? waiting for a better ratio before using the gear? or less amounts of roids?
What do you guys think?
If I were him I'd first clean up my diet and make sure cholesterol readings get into the normal range.
I'd keep bulking dosages the same, I'm a huge fan of test + deca + dbol for mass gain (even though I hate orals).
For cutting I'd replace Test E with sust 250, winstrol for 4 weeks is ok (but again, I'm not a big fan of orals), but the tren is way too high. Cut it down to 700mg/wk max and add masteron at 300mg/wk. Taking into account diet and cardio are on point he should see some very good results.
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you think its so easy to tell why his cholesterol is out of whack?
you realize that even many docs couldnt tell?
has he checked whether hes diabetic? [/b]he is not diabetic
not just blodsugar test, but full out looking if he got fatty liver, insulin resistency etc?
i think i know why it is.
if hes going to go for "massa" ( ::) ) things will worsen. why? through the dianabol?
its not as simple as you think.
if he got insulin resistency, he got other things to worry about.
i can ask some more things about parameters.
whats his bodyfat, what his stomach circumference? BF 17%
triglyceride levels? 2.0 (in Europe very good)
hdl cholesterol? 0.8
bloodpressure was ok something around 100
bloodsugar on empty stomach. we dont know
list these if you can. see also below and under. only these are European Dutch standards not US.
has he got high vldl cholesterol, high triglycerides, low ldl cholesterol and low hdl cholesterol? see below
post those, before that, any further discussion is pointless, can bet on that.
Ok bro. here it come's what we know about it (see also above)
ALAT 46
ASAT 27
Gamma YT 26
Cholesterol totaal 5.4
HDL cholesterol 0.8
LDL cholesterol 3.7
Ratio Cholesterol/HDL 6.8
Triglyceride 2.0
What do you think?
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this is btw an insane dose cycle for someone with bad cholesterol readings, and most likely ignorant diet behaviors.
a recipe for disaster.
whats his diet, if he even has something like that
What do you suggest?
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Bulking looks good in theory, but would fuck with his cholesterol levels if you take into account he'll be eating more (presumably unclean) and popping dbols.
When cutting he's going to be using 1g tren a week? I know guys that jump off the wall at 700mg/wk... I hope he's run it before and knows how he reacts to it.
I'm not sure how tren will affect his cholesterol (I can only assume it wouldn't affect it positively), someone might want to chime in on that.
Maybe it is better to skip the orals and substitute the tren for Primobolan/Masteron?
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If I were him I'd first clean up my diet and make sure cholesterol readings get into the normal range.
I'd keep bulking dosages the same, I'm a huge fan of test + deca + dbol for mass gain (even though I hate orals).
For cutting I'd replace Test E with sust 250, winstrol for 4 weeks is ok (but again, I'm not a big fan of orals), but the tren is way too high. Cut it down to 700mg/wk max and add masteron at 300mg/wk. Taking into account diet and cardio are on point he should see some very good results.
Does make sense what you suggest.
Only my little brother is always eating clean. (maybe sometimes too much red meat)
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try the anabolic halo cycle
its cheap reliable and works
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Does make sense what you suggest.
Only my little brother is always eating clean. (maybe sometimes too much red meat)
What are his stats? Bodyfat (if you don't know %, then can he see abs/serratus muscle?), height, weight and also his history with steroids (first cycle? second? 10th?).
If he's eating clean as a natty then he's probably quite small so a bulk is definitely in order before a proper cut.
I'll tell you how I do bulk/cut, and you can get what you need out of the information:
When I bulk I like to add 1 "bad" food every 2 days to start with. A bad food could be a chocolate bar or a small bowl of pasta or something along those lines. Then after 2 weeks if I don't notice much water retention or fat gain I'd add another bad food but every day, then 2 meals a day, but usually won't go up from there. Just add more calories from what I've got. I figure if I can make out my abs then I'm doing it right.
When I'm ready to cut I cut out all the "bad" food right away, which usually makes me drop about 10lbs or 15lbs of water within 2 weeks or so, then I start reducing calories carb-wise, but keep the fats and proteins the same as on the bulk. Then after about a month and a half of that I start adding fasted cardio (at this point I have a pretty crisp 6 pack, but hold fat and water in lower back and love-handles). When I feel like I'm ready to "take it to the next level" I drop the carbs completely, keep the cardio at about 45min 5days/wk and drop protein to 1g to 1lb BW. This gets me damn close to near competition shape.
And just an aside, I don't think of red meat as being "unclean". It may not play well with his elevated cholesterol, but for a healthy person red meat once or twice a week isn't going to hurt. I personally eat beef almost every breakfast (unless I have eggs). I tend to digest beef much better than eggs. I've tried fish for breakfast but I would get too hungry an hour later.
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Ok bro. here it come's what we know about it (see also above)
ALAT 46
ASAT 27
Gamma YT 26
Cholesterol totaal 5.4
HDL cholesterol 0.8
LDL cholesterol 3.7
Ratio Cholesterol/HDL 6.8
Triglyceride 2.0
What do you think?
can you add the units after the numbers, the reverting from us to euro norm is bit complicated for me.
if possible, blood pressure numbers and fsated bloodsugar levels.
oh and rough bodyfat% and waist measure.
the liver values look excellent, but this mustnt mean much.
the cholesterol looks quite quite out of whack ,esp for natural.
he should get his diet fixed asap.
please post the unit to the numbers,,in mg per dl if possible, if not ill calculate.
cheers.
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can you add the units after the numbers, the reverting from us to euro norm is bit complicated for me.
if possible, blood pressure numbers and fsated bloodsugar levels.
oh and rough bodyfat% and waist measure.
the liver values look excellent, but this mustnt mean much.
the cholesterol looks quite quite out of whack ,esp for natural.
he should get his diet fixed asap.
please post the unit to the numbers,,in mg per dl if possible, if not ill calculate.
cheers.
Oke. see info below what i have found.
Hopefully it is more clear for you. ;)
Many thanks in advance bro!!!!!
Reference
ASAT 27 U/L <35
ALAT 46 U/L <45
Gamma-GT 26 U/L <50
Cholsterol Total 5.4 mmol/L <5.0
HDL Cholesterol 0.8 mmol/L >0.9
LDL Cholesterol 3.7 mmol/L <3.2
Ratio Cholesterol/HDL 6.8 <5.0
Triglyceriden 2.0 mmol/L <1.7
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theliver and its ggt looks good, the rest looks bad,man.
is he fat-skinnyfat?
waist measurement, rough bodyfat estimate and bloodpressure would be imporatnat to know, but just based on the above ,he qualifies for metabolic syndrom already.
that is no good.
not sure if steroids would be smart here, maybe minimum dosages and on a carb restrictive diet.
if hed do a "bulk" with many carbs, hed be asking for problems.
yea, a high caloric bulk is the last thing he should be doing.
more cardio, less carbs.
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Also important to know: Any other 'hobbies' that we should know of? Alcohol abuse, other drugs?
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I am telling you from my experience to get in shape first, AAS for you comes a lot later. My cholestrol was not in normal range when i started my first. Mid way, it went through the roof. Then i paid attention to details, i.e., my diet and came out of it.
I had started 1 cup of ground flax seed, 200mg alpha lipoic acid, garlic pearls, ashwagandha, chromium picolinate and NAC.
theliver and its ggt looks good, the rest looks bad,man.
is he fat-skinny?
X2
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theliver and its ggt looks good, the rest looks bad,man.
is he fat-skinnyfat?
waist measurement, rough bodyfat estimate and bloodpressure would be imporatnat to know, but just based on the above ,he qualifies for metabolic syndrom already.
that is no good.
not sure if steroids would be smart here, maybe minimum dosages and on a carb restrictive diet.
if hed do a "bulk" with many carbs, hed be asking for problems.
yea, a high caloric bulk is the last thing he should be doing.
more cardio, less carbs.
Thanks for your answer. well his bodyfat is approx 17% his weight approx 98KG
Which roids and in which quantity you are thinking for him?
Orals for example anavar/winstrol on low dose is not done for him?
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Also important to know: Any other 'hobbies' that we should know of? Alcohol abuse, other drugs?
No. only 3 glasses of wine every weekend but nothing more.
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theliver and its ggt looks good, the rest looks bad,man.
is he fat-skinnyfat?
waist measurement, rough bodyfat estimate and bloodpressure would be imporatnat to know, but just based on the above ,he qualifies for metabolic syndrom already.
that is no good.
not sure if steroids would be smart here, maybe minimum dosages and on a carb restrictive diet.
He is not fatty...
if hed do a "bulk" with many carbs, hed be asking for problems.
yea, a high caloric bulk is the last thing he should be doing.
more cardio, less carbs.
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Thanks for your answer. well his bodyfat is approx 17% his weight approx 98KG
Which roids and in which quantity you are thinking for him?
Orals for example anavar/winstrol on low dose is not done for him?
hm, his liver is fine it seems, orals he can do.
but the cholesterol, he should stay away from any "cutting" steroids.
this means, no non estrogen convertables.no winstrol, no tren, no masteron.these would make the cholesterol numbers even worse.
can use eq and-or test, low dose, and must get leaner,can do that on cycle.
the cholesterol numbers im 99% sure , come from too many carbs too often.
a low or very low carb diet would be best.
cheers
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hm, his liver is fine it seems, orals he can do.
but the cholesterol, he should stay away from any "cutting" steroids.
this means, no non estrogen convertables.no winstrol, no tren, no masteron.these would make the cholesterol numbers even worse.
can use eq and-or test, low dose, and must get leaner,can do that on cycle.
the cholesterol numbers im 99% sure , come from too many carbs too often.
a low or very low carb diet would be best.
cheers
Thanks again.
You suggest that it can come from to many carbohydrates? why do you think that?
What do you think about anavar 60 mg per day and TestE 250/500 mg per week?
Sounds good to you?
Or dianabol instead of anavar?
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Thanks again.
You suggest that it can come from to many carbohydrates? why do you think that?
What do you think about anavar 60 mg per day and TestE 250/500 mg per week?
Sounds good to you?
Or dianabol instead of anavar?
oh , from reading many many studies recently, have had a doctor with me and a book on the matter by a professor, im understanding now how some things with cholesterol happen, i had a clue long ago already, but now i understand the process quite well :D
anavar at 30mg= test at 200-300mg week.can be prop or enanthate, doesnt really matter.
dbol and test for cutting is not so optimal.make sure to take the anavar all 8hrs, for constant blood leevels.
tell him to go low calories and low carbs for just 4-5days, and then have some bit carbs on the day after, i can gurantee the carbs will feel 10 times better to him, as far muscle fullness goes.
if we eat too many carbs too often, we turn insulin insensitive within few days, this is a very bad scenario, this will make the body flood the ssytem with insulin,which is also very bad for fatloss.
soemc arbs are ok, about as many as are used to train, for the rest, the body will use fat as energy anyway, only hard muscle work itl use "carbs"(glycogen).
when we eat less carbs, we can store them better in the liver and muscle.
the good thing is 4-5low calorie,low carbs days already fix most of the problem.
and the cholesterol levels are directly linked, a cause from carbs overconsumtion.
he will be fine if he does the above 8)
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oh , from reading many many studies recently, have had a doctor with me and a book on the matter by a professor, im understanding now how some things with cholesterol happen, i had a clue long ago already, but now i understand the process quite well :D
anavar at 30mg= test at 200-300mg week.can be prop or enanthate, doesnt really matter.
dbol and test for cutting is not so optimal.make sure to take the anavar all 8hrs, for constant blood leevels.
tell him to go low calories and low carbs for just 4-5days, and then have some bit carbs on the day after, i can gurantee the carbs will feel 10 times better to him, as far muscle fullness goes.
if we eat too many carbs too often, we turn insulin insensitive within few days, this is a very bad scenario, this will make the body flood the ssytem with insulin,which is also very bad for fatloss.
soemc arbs are ok, about as many as are used to train, for the rest, the body will use fat as energy anyway, only hard muscle work itl use "carbs"(glycogen).
when we eat less carbs, we can store them better in the liver and muscle.
the good thing is 4-5low calorie,low carbs days already fix most of the problem.
and the cholesterol levels are directly linked, a cause from carbs overconsumtion.
he will be fine if he does the above 8)
Thanks again for your explanation
So what i understand:
Anavar 30 mg per day
Test E 250 mg
Low carbs
Should be ok?
And anavar only? without test?
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no problem man, if its his forst cycle ever, anavar only at 30mg day will be good one to test out the waters,as they say.
can also do just test, but if its first one ,anavar alone will be ok.
anavar is not so good on lipids, but with that dosage, and a good diet, womt affect the lipids.
just test only would be better on lipid profile.
yeah, for diet, high protein, can have fats as long there is no carbs.
just do not mix carbs and fats in the same meal if possibel.
lets say, 100gr carbs before or after workout, this surely wont hurt.
no consecutive carb meals.
the carbs in vegetables are ok, 1or 2 fruit daily is ok too.
tell him to kickstart the whole diet with some 4-5 days of 1000cals mostly from protein.
he will see, if he adds 100gramms carbs after that, he will literaly feel how much better the body takes up the carbs.
after that, keepit at something like 1500cals daily, the results will be quick.bit cardio after workouts will help alot.
he will be a healthy 10% within couple weeks.
the body gets rid of visceral fat very quickly on such diets,this is scientificaly established.this increases insulin sensitivity, ie, need less of it to full up the muscles with more glycogen than before.
this is basicaly the opposite of what happens when we consecutively overflood the body with carbs.
this will help him to get a feeling as to how much or little carbs are needed,etc.
when we are less insulin sensitive, we need more carbs, we dont use them up effectively, and turn fat, literaly from the inside out.
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no problem man, if its his forst cycle ever, anavar only at 30mg day will be good one to test out the waters,as they say.
can also do just test, but if its first one ,anavar alone will be ok.
anavar is not so good on lipids, but with that dosage, and a good diet, womt affect the lipids.
just test only would be better on lipid profile.
yeah, for diet, high protein, can have fats as long there is no carbs.
just do not mix carbs and fats in the same meal if possibel.
lets say, 100gr carbs before or after workout, this surely wont hurt.
no consecutive carb meals.
the carbs in vegetables are ok, 1or 2 fruit daily is ok too.
tell him to kickstart the whole diet with some 4-5 days of 1000cals mostly from protein.
he will see, if he adds 100gramms carbs after that, he will literaly feel how much better the body takes up the carbs.
after that, keepit at something like 1500cals daily, the results will be quick.bit cardio after workouts will help alot.
he will be a healthy 10% within couple weeks.
the body gets rid of visceral fat very quickly on such diets,this is scientificaly established.this increases insulin sensitivity, ie, need less of it to full up the muscles with more glycogen than before.
this is basicaly the opposite of what happens when we consecutively overflood the body with carbs.
this will help him to get a feeling as to how much or little carbs are needed,etc.
when we are less insulin sensitive, we need more carbs, we dont use them up effectively, and turn fat, literaly from the inside out.
Ok bro thanks again for your help. i will tell him about this.
Is winstrol only also ok do you think? i prefer he will take anavar but real anavar is very difficult to get. normally men sais that nowadays anavar=winstrol.
But you know, my brother is not eating so much carbohydrates i think. Normally he eats approx every day:
60 gr conrflakes,
4-5 pieces of bread. with meat.
2 proteine shake with milk.
1liter of yoghurt without fat,
Salat with 200 gr tuna+100 gr beans
1-appel
1-banana
What do you think about his schedule? too much carbohydrates?
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i heard the same thing that often theres winstrol in anavar, many claim so.
either way, winstrol alone is bad choice,its terrible on cholesterol, this changes when used with little bit test.
the diet, thats not soooo much carbs, but its bit too much,or hed be leaner.
half them and up the protein a bit.
id leave the bread out totaly.and the cornflakes too.replace that with vegetables.
can add bit fats to that, that will give some satiety.
make sure to have the 200gr proteins every day.
he will do fine 8)
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i heard the same thing that often theres winstrol in anavar, many claim so.
either way, winstrol alone is bad choice,its terrible on cholesterol, this changes when used with little bit test.
the diet, thats not soooo much carbs, but its bit too much,or hed be leaner.
half them and up the protein a bit.
id leave the bread out totaly.and the cornflakes too.replace that with vegetables.
can add bit fats to that, that will give some satiety.
make sure to have the 200gr proteins every day.
he will do fine 8)
After my deadlift competition on the 13th December I want to get really shredded. I am cutting down at the moment and it's going great but I wanted your opinion as you know shred that's for sure!
I am around 70kg in the morning and follow a natural human, ketogenic diet. On most days I'll eat 150g in animal fats and double that number for protein.
I drink shakes through the day, will have a small lunch then post training eat most of my calories in one meal.
I won't want to be taking more than 500-750mg of AAS a week
My health is perfect and I currently have 9% body fat.
My food sources are chicken wings, beef, eggs and leaves
Diet is probably fine honestly but I don't know what drugs I'd need. I am pretty new to AAS as well and I trust your doses over the other members here
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Ok bro thanks again for your help. i will tell him about this.
Is winstrol only also ok do you think? i prefer he will take anavar but real anavar is very difficult to get. normally men sais that nowadays anavar=winstrol.
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Have used both this year with base test each time.
Winny did 40mg ed for 8 weeks
Anavar 40mg ed for 12 weeks
Easy to tell the difference once in the system. Primarily it's the dry joints after about week 4 on winny. Also one will look much drier on the winny especially if your body fat is low. The winny joint pain lasts another 4-6 weeks following cessation. Analogously, there are no problems on the var with joints. On the latter, one can train hard & heavy for as long as possible.
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Don't know if this is his first cycle but if it is, 1000mg of test a weeks seems REALLY high when he can get great results with half that and a super clean diet
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After my deadlift competition on the 13th December I want to get really shredded. I am cutting down at the moment and it's going great but I wanted your opinion as you know shred that's for sure!
I am around 70kg in the morning and follow a natural human, ketogenic diet. On most days I'll eat 150g in animal fats and double that number for protein.
I drink shakes through the day, will have a small lunch then post training eat most of my calories in one meal.
I won't want to be taking more than 500-750mg of AAS a week
My health is perfect and I currently have 9% body fat.
My food sources are chicken wings, beef, eggs and leaves
Diet is probably fine honestly but I don't know what drugs I'd need. I am pretty new to AAS as well and I trust your doses over the other members here
ill help you, you have the sanity in the head,lol, that goes long ways in this "sport" :D
Don't know if this is his first cycle but if it is, 1000mg of test a weeks seems REALLY high when he can get great results with half that and a super clean diet
yah, i think its big error to take more than needed, esp for aas newcomers.
i remember my first cycles, low doses of deca and such things, the gains were remarkable.
what i remember from the blasts, is the coming down makes you feel horrible and the blasting itself makes you feel horrible too.
the body will utilise the gear it needs the surplus will cause sides in 1 or other way.
often ppl have sides already but they dotn realize.
but that was just a suggestion, christo basicaly asked what ppl think of it, and concluded its too high
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i heard the same thing that often theres winstrol in anavar, many claim so.
either way, winstrol alone is bad choice,its terrible on cholesterol, this changes when used with little bit test.
the diet, thats not soooo much carbs, but its bit too much,or hed be leaner.
half them and up the protein a bit.
id leave the bread out totaly.and the cornflakes too.replace that with vegetables.
can add bit fats to that, that will give some satiety.
make sure to have the 200gr proteins every day.
he will do fine 8)
Thanks a lot man!
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Don't know if this is his first cycle but if it is, 1000mg of test a weeks seems REALLY high when he can get great results with half that and a super clean diet
No. his first cycle was:
Test E 500 mg
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ill help you, you have the sanity in the head,lol, that goes long ways in this "sport" :D
yah, i think its big error to take more than needed, esp for aas newcomers.
i remember my first cycles, low doses of deca and such things, the gains were remarkable.
what i remember from the blasts, is the coming down makes you feel horrible and the blasting itself makes you feel horrible too.
the body will utilise the gear it needs the surplus will cause sides in 1 or other way.
often ppl have sides already but they dotn realize.
but that was just a suggestion, christo basicaly asked what ppl think of it, and concluded its too high
Last question Galeniko: do you belief in a cycle Test E/Primo 250/200 mg? in this case?
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Last question Galeniko: do you belief in a cycle Test E/Primo 250/200 mg? in this case?
yes man, thatll be an excellent choice in every aspect.
tahts a very good and safe mix.
should stay on that for 6months, no less.
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Thanks man, I'll hit you up via PM in January
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yes man, thatll be an excellent choice in every aspect.
tahts a very good and safe mix.
should stay on that for 6months, no less.
6 months?
1- after 8 weeks it will not work anymore. does he need to upp the doses?
2-Is it not hard to go off after 6 months using this?
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6 months?
1- after 8 weeks it will not work anymore. does he need to upp the doses?
2-Is it not hard to go off after 6 months using this?
nah itll take some weeks till it even works properly,its active diretly after injection, but takes a while to get constant levels.
8weeks is way too short for enanthate esters.
and nono, it will still work the same ,throughout the 6months, no need to up the dosage.
2.going off always sucks,but this is mild cycle, wont be too bad.
the own test rpoduction is shot after first shot, doesnt matter if its 8 weeks or 8 months.not by much.
Thanks man, I'll hit you up via PM in January
anytime
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6 months?
1- after 8 weeks it will not work anymore. does he need to upp the doses?
2-Is it not hard to go off after 6 months using this?
He can take hcg while on the entire cycle to keep the nuts full .. 250iu on Monday and Thursday.. A lot of hrt docs prescribe that and would advise that if hes going on for 6 months..
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He can take hcg while on the entire cycle to keep the nuts full .. 250iu on Monday and Thursday.. A lot of hrt docs prescribe that and would advise that if hes going on for 6 months..
I'd be worried about estrogen levels going up using hcg during the entire cycle.
Also, I feel its counteractive to use hcg while on, since you'd be pulling your body in 2 directions. Just stay on the gear for however long you want, when you're ready to come off take some tripto, hcg or hmg (if you have the funds) and clomid.
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Have used both this year with base test each time.
Winny did 40mg ed for 8 weeks
Anavar 40mg ed for 12 weeks
Easy to tell the difference once in the system. Primarily it's the dry joints after about week 4 on winny. Also one will look much drier on the winny especially if your body fat is low. The winny joint pain lasts another 4-6 weeks following cessation. Analogously, there are no problems on the var with joints. On the latter, one can train hard & heavy for as long as possible.
have you ever stacked either one with dbol?
and if yes, how was it?
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nah itll take some weeks till it even works properly,its active diretly after injection, but takes a while to get constant levels.
8weeks is way too short for enanthate esters.
and nono, it will still work the same ,throughout the 6months, no need to up the dosage.
2.going off always sucks,but this is mild cycle, wont be too bad.
the own test rpoduction is shot after first shot, doesnt matter if its 8 weeks or 8 months.not by much.
anytime
Thanks man!
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I'd be worried about estrogen levels going up using hcg during the entire cycle.
Also, I feel its counteractive to use hcg while on, since you'd be pulling your body in 2 directions. Just stay on the gear for however long you want, when you're ready to come off take some tripto, hcg or hmg (if you have the funds) and clomid.
You can easily control estrogen with arimidex.. Hcg prevents leydig cells from dying.. A lot of doctors advise it. With a small dose of 250iu on Mondays and Thursdays estrogen will be easy to manage
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You can easily control estrogen with arimidex.. Hcg prevents leydig cells from dying.. A lot of doctors advise it. With a small dose of 250iu on Mondays and Thursdays estrogen will be easy to manage
But then you'd be running the risk of becoming desensitized to hcg and needing more when you actually decide to come off the gear. I've never ran hcg while being on, only at the end and my boys came back completely fine, test levels were in the normal range within 5 weeks of PCT. I've been on for almost 8 months now and don't plan on coming off any time soon, but if/when I do I'll be using the procedure I laid out earlier.
I'm sure using hcg here and there is fine, like every 4 or 5 weeks do a couple shots and then wait another 4 or 5 weeks. But I wouldn't suggest 2ce/wk for the entire cycle (unless your cycle is 8 weeks lol).
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Have used both this year with base test each time.
Primarily it's the dry joints after about week 4 on winny.
Your winy was bunk/heavily undersosed.
My joints dried up DAY 2 on 25 mg e.d.
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But then you'd be running the risk of becoming desensitized to hcg and needing more when you actually decide to come off the gear. I've never ran hcg while being on, only at the end and my boys came back completely fine, test levels were in the normal range within 5 weeks of PCT. I've been on for almost 8 months now and don't plan on coming off any time soon, but if/when I do I'll be using the procedure I laid out earlier.
I'm sure using hcg here and there is fine, like every 4 or 5 weeks do a couple shots and then wait another 4 or 5 weeks. But I wouldn't suggest 2ce/wk for the entire cycle (unless your cycle is 8 weeks lol).
You become desensitized when you blast high doses of hcg not low doses.. If your cycle was only. 8 weeks you wouldn't need hcg on cycle only after...there is a reason doctors prescribe this protocol...I have done 6 month cycles without any hcg until the end and have been on 6 months with hcg on cycle and I bounced back much faster when hcg was used on cycle.. There is a reason many doctors advise this protocol
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Your winy was bunk/heavily undersosed.
My joints dried up DAY 2 on 25 mg e.d.
Just bc his joints took 4 weeks to dry up and ache doesn't mean his winny was underdosed. He may have better joint condition than you or never lifted heavy and damaged them like some geniuses that like to powerlift-style workout 4 times a week. You were also using 25 mg aromasin everyday on top of winny so it's not surprise your joints hurt after two days. My joints don't hurt at all on winny. It's different for everybody.
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Just bc his joints took 4 weeks to dry up and ache doesn't mean his winny was underdosed. He may have better joint condition than you or never lifted heavy and damaged them like some geniuses that like to powerlift-style workout 4 times a week. You were also using 25 mg aromasin everyday on top of winny so it's not surprise your joints hurt after two days. My joints don't hurt at all on winny. It's different for everybody.
yah maybe he was fatter.
but winny and ais like adex realy do dry out the joints when lean, training triceps scullcrushers feels scary, like a rip any second could happen
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yah maybe he was fatter.
but winny and ais like adex realy do dry out the joints when lean, training triceps scullcrushers feels scary, like a rip any second could happen
Oh yeah..skullcrushers have mine feeling so tight and feel like they're ready to pop for unless i really warmup..always been this way for me even before juice. As long as I warmup with like 2 or 3 super light sets of skullcrushers I dont get this though. Maybe something to do with very little blood in that tendon connecting the triceps and the elbow. So I pump a little blood in there first with light warmup and all good for rest of workout 8)